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CCNN REPORT/Mini-Storefront

A play on a popular 21st century fast food combination order sland has a perfect place in Capsule Corporation's starship market.

As many nations have come to see, the Klonor Empire has gone drastically from peaceful to Agressively Expansionistic.

So to all you Nearly-Defenseless space nations out there, if you want to buy an Entire Battlegroup worth of Capsule Corporation Technology, then buy what has been dubbed an "Anti-Klonor Combo!"

The packaged CC Battlegroups go for EXACTLY One Trillion USD, and each contains the following:
1 Kryptonite Class Cruiser - 190 billion
1 Kolob Class Carrier - 110 Billion
1 Moroni Class Battlecruiser - 150 Billion
9 Omni-Class Frigates - 405 Billion
6 Tachyon Class Corvettes - 90 Billion
6 Reflex Class Corvettes - 42 Billion
36 Mahonri Coriancumer Class Attack Dropships - 7.56 Billion
36 StarFalcons - 1.98 Billion
72 Senines - 3.24 Billion
36 TrickFighters - 1.44 Billion
72 Legolas Mecha - 2.52 Billion
36 Samson Mecha - .9 Billion
Total savings: FOUR BILLION DOLLARS!!

Capsule Corporation currently has 3 of these battlegroups in stock and ready to sell. Allow us a mere week to apply your colors and logos and interface softwares, and you will have a batlegroup (or two, or three!) capable of defending yourself from anything Klonor will throw at you!

Order now, cuz they're gonna sell fast!

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ccsig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69082)

CC Technology:

Vehicles and Vessels (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69082&highlight=)
Farad Technology (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64664)
Chlorophusion Technology (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66190)
Chloro-Borg Technology (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74141&highlight=)
Chlorophusion Weaponry (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91920)
LiquidMetal^2 Armor Technology (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74364&highlight=)
FTL Technologies (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1882087#1882087)

Semi-IC/OOC:

"Fight cardboard with cardboard, thats the spirit!"

-The Cardboard Avenger

OOC: Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

EDIT: Thats a bump too BTW....

Semi-IC/OOC:

"Fight cardboard with cardboard, thats the spirit!"

-The Cardboard Avenger

OOC: Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

EDIT: Thats a bump too BTW....OOC: *capsule's player speaking* You know, you don't have to tease me for playing a different realm of the game EVERY time you see one of my posts :) I play sci-fi/fantasy... that includes big guns and FTLs... if you don't want to RP with me, then why would you RP with Klonor?

The "Anti-Klonor Combo"? What, we're in the restaurant business now?

Semi-IC/OOC:

"Fight cardboard with cardboard, thats the spirit!"

-The Cardboard Avenger

OOC: Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

EDIT: Thats a bump too BTW....OOC: *capsule's player speaking* You know, you don't have to tease me for playing a different realm of the game EVERY time you see one of my posts :) I play sci-fi/fantasy... that includes big guns and FTLs... if you don't want to RP with me, then why would you RP with Klonor?

OOC: Actually, I RP extensively in the sci-fi/fantasy fields. I call the ships cardboard because they are so inexpensive. Wazzu simply shoots for more quality then quantity...and while it lacks in certain fields (force fields, FTL, etc), it makes up for it in others (materials/armor, sublight engines, and similar).

I actually rather enjoyed your post. Thats why I bumped it.

I wouldn't use those ships of yours to fight Titan nations (or some other non-Titan nations I've seen around), but I am sure they are quite good against other "cardboard" fleets...like Klonor's, or Xanthals (probably outstanding vs. Xanthal's), or even Angelus' (overrated).

So best of luck with your ad push...as I said, I rather enjoy it.

-The Cardboard Avenger

CC Speaking:

Hmm... thanks... I guess... but my ships are somewhat cheap because I have only a 25% profit margin, and I mine my resources right next to my shipyards, and my ships are very compact and easily mass produced. I priced my ships fairly... you should go yell at those people who sell ships 20x the size for the same cost ;)

My biggest mass-production ship is less than half a mile long.

I'd have to check my stats, but I think one of your battlegroups has more warships in it than one of my Strike Fleet carrier battlegroups, although I have way more fighters and dropships (ties up an enemy's defenses with swarms of small craft and then hit them with the big guns while they aren't looking).

I'd have to check my stats, but I think one of your battlegroups has more warships in it than one of my Strike Fleet carrier battlegroups, although I have way more fighters and dropships (ties up an enemy's defenses with swarms of small craft and then hit them with the big guns while they aren't looking).CC Speaking: If you research our tech, you'll note that this battlegroup is perfectly well rounded... it can deploy up to 10,000 troops, has mecha and starfighters to attack air and ground, has missile boats and attack dropships to do damage to big ships while the capitals are busy, it has 3 capital ships, all of which can enter the atmosphere and land if they wanted to, making the Kolob-Class on really freaking huge dropship, The smaller corvettes can dock inside the Foldships, and the frigates can dock to the sides of the same foldships.

This is a single battlegroup which is built to react anywhere in the galaxy really fast, with an average speed of 1200 ly/hour.

But obviously, this is not an entire fleet... this is just one battlegroup by Capsule Corporation standards. you are welcome to go to our storefront and combine them however you wish!

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ccsig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69082)

CC: You do know that Klonor is your ally.....right? ;)

CC Speaking:

Hmm... thanks... I guess... but my ships are somewhat cheap because I have only a 25% profit margin, and I mine my resources right next to my shipyards, and my ships are very compact and easily mass produced. I priced my ships fairly... you should go yell at those people who sell ships 20x the size for the same cost ;)

My biggest mass-production ship is less than half a mile long.

EDIT: OK, I put a big long post here where I bragged a lot. I'm going to make it smaller and try not to brag so much as compare.

Wazzu is neither inefficient nor inexperianced nor posessed of a lower technological base...and it's ships are made at cost (and not sold outside Wazzu).

Comparison is simple: Wazzu's largest warship is 315 meters long and still under construction (first of a line of "frigates"). The MIDAS-II version costs the equivalent of $1.1 trillion US and takes 3 years to build (facilities enough to build 3 at a time).

Again, this isn't because of low technology (just different) nor inefficiency, just because a lot more resources are put into a lot fewer ships.

Your ships are better then 95% of the other cardboard made in NS, but are still, one on one, weak by comparison. Understand?

Wazzu has far fewer, but far better. Thats the tradeoff.

CC: You do know that Klonor is your ally.....right? ;)

You do know that I just turned evil, assasinated myself, and have declared my intentions of expanding my Empire by force.....right?

Hmmm... i don't know how on earth you figure that... in real life a nimitz class carrier only costs a few billion... and all this is is a little bit better armor, which comes at roughly the same price., maybe at most twice as expensive... computer systesms, which being relative would cost about the same for my computer systems in the future as it would for the past, and engines are simple and powerful, and the power cores are probably a lot cheaper and easier to maintain than anything in modern day life... so if anything, I am overcharging my ships prices... I think 6 months build time at 100-200 billion for a ship that is heavilly mass produced in a massive cluster of shipyards is pretty decent. Weapons system are good... I don't know why you say they are bad... they're really good... My flagship (my only big ship, at just under a mile long) has the power and ability of a whole battlegroup... I would hardly say that sucks.

So as an example, lets break down a mass-production version of the Kryptonite Class Cruiser:

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/kryptonite.gif
The Kryptonite-Class Cruiser

Length: 797 meters
Crew: 150 people, 25 droids, and 3 central AI, one for mechanical, one for weaponry, and one for information.
Powerplant: Chlorophusion control chamber
FTL Drives: Capsule Mk II Cascading Hyperspace Fold Drive (also works as Hyperdrive OR fold drive)
Docking Capabilities: 36 Fighters, 2 Shuttlecraft, and 2 Corvettes
Cargo Capacity: Very little.
Weapons: This ship is built around the Farad System... as you can see from the twin hulls. Other weapons include 12 Mk II Rail Cannons (100km/s x100kg) (10 Forward, 2 Aft), 82 Turret-Mounted Farad Beam Cannons, and some hundred close-defense plasma-bolt cannon turrets.
Defenses: A very thick armor, made from triton-mined alloys, a Xanthal Type VII Shield, and of course, the powerful Farad system.
Atmosphere Capable: Yes. Landing Capable: Yes.
Price: 190 Billion

Relatively simple design, pretty sturdy. You got a 797m frame, of which about 80% of that is just armor, engines, and circuity for the weapons systems (specifically the Farad)

Now, you got mining to pay for, refinery and mixing for the alloys, and then casting and construction... that'll top out at maybe 50 Billion at the very most (and that's being nice to you...). Then you got weapons systems, all very simple, yet very powerful. All the weapons systems, though they work on advanced theories, require very little technology... I mean you got Rail Cannons and Lasers and Farad weapons... they require a lot of energy, but they don't require much in the way of uber-expensive technology... so at the most, you got another 15 billion there, and then including the ship-sized farad system, that bumps it up to maybe 35 billion (and again, I'm being nice). Chlorophusion comes from a special plant, wehich must be harvested and is one of our major crops... that is quite a lot, so that comes out at about 10 Billion for a core for a ship this size, including reserves and aux and emergency backups etc... heck, I'll say 20 billion, just to make you happy. The Engines are Heatpile Drives, Plasma Drives, and Ion drives, an assortment of them all around the ship, the biggest of course being the Heatpile engines at the rear of the ship... skinny on this ship, but still present. All these engine systems are just converting energy into thrust in one form of another, and probably not terribly complicated. I'd say another 20 billion just to make you happy :P. Crew accomodations... I keep the crew minimal here, only 150 and then some... so lets just bundle computers and life support and all the internal things in there with them... I'd say you're looking at 10-20 billion worth of facilities etc. And the Shields? yes, I know I bought them from Xanthal, but they're still good. Lets put shields systems at 15 Billion. And lastly, the FTL Drives... The FTL drives are all just stock mass-produced things which will go for a total of 15 Billion, maybe 20 Billion.

All in all? I still have enough to make a profit if I sell them at 190 billion.

Now other than your usual arguments that FTL shouldn't exist, what is wrong with this? Note that I have poored Trillions into the making of shipyards, by the way. If anything I should bump up the prices.

BTW, thanks for bringing this up, It makes me rethink all my randomness... I think I have priced this more than fairly.

Edit: i also know the tradeoff of Quantity for Quality, I like things somewhere in the middle... I have medium-sized ships with decent weapons and good armor and good speed and maneuverability, you have big ships with a lot of low power, a lot of defense, but not much speed and maneuverability... I wouldn't really say one is better than the other, they're all good for different strategies.

I'll buy one. Supersize the fries please.

Mm... Klonor burgers.....

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I've already got enough ships that if Titan suddenly decides they want to invade me they're going to loose most of their fleets doing it.

I'll take four and a kiddie meal.
*money wired*

CC: I don't know how you came up with that. My ships are neither big (largest is 315 meters, much smaller then your example cruiser), nor slow (well, not in normal/realspace), nor lightly powered. You could actually say they are small, relatively fast, and extremely well armored...only the fighters lack signifigant firepower, and that is ONLY in their beam weapons and ONLY compared to Wazzu armor (not to the typical armor of NS ships).

Also, I said nothing about FTL never existing. I said only that Wazzu wasn't ready for it yet...or rather, that I wasn't ready for Wazzu to develop it. Instead, Wazzu has developed other technologies.

Lets try this for a comparison.
Your cruiser: 797 meters, 190 billion each.
My frigate: 315 meters, 1.1 trillian each.

If other dimensions are approximately comparable, then we can get a volume comparison. Lets say height and width equal 1/5th of total length.
Your cruiser: ~20,250,000 m^3
My frigate: ~1,250,000 m^3

Your cruiser has about 16 times the volume of my frigate.

Now, cost per volume.
Your cruiser: ~ $9,382/m^3
My frigate: ~ $880,000/m^3

My frigate costs about 93.8 times as much per volume.

If you assume efficiency is about the same, my ship is about 93.8 times better, or 9,380% better then your cruiser. m^3 to m^3.

Yet Wazzu and it's corporations have been building spaceships and developing technology since before CC came into existance.

I'm not saying your ships are bad. Your ships are good compared to a lot of NS nation's ships. I'm just saying that comparitively, they are cardboard.

Of course...you can afford to build a lot more. That has advantages of its own. Just don't expect me to say my ships are only as good as yours (but different) even though I spend far more time and resources building them.

-The Cardboard Avenger

EDIT: And thats a bump, because I think this is a good deal for nations that deal with people like Klonor or Xanthal or Angelus.

Okay, what's that supposed to mean?

I can deal with you calling me a godmodder and saying my ships are cardboard (you're entitled to your opinion), but I will not stand for baseless insults.

sup klonar :D

Having trouble with some skeptic.


HEY YOU!

Back when i had my other account, i had boughten loads of ships from Klonor, me and him started the GA, and i was totally satisfied. They served me well.


SO all of you need to back off klonor before i make one of my gorges hurl a seedling at you, thus sprouting a hive and then spawning aliens which will not take prisoners, but will ingest you for your hormones so the alien can evolve into bigger better aliens.


Good day.

Ped, I just turned really evil IC. I assasinated myself and my nation is now run by an evil general. I'm fine with CC's "anti-Klonor" thing. What I am pissed off at is Wazzu's statement in his last post.

And thanks!

REALLY!?!?!?


hahahaha

Okay, what's that supposed to mean?

I can deal with you calling me a godmodder and saying my ships are cardboard (you're entitled to your opinion), but I will not stand for baseless insults.

OOC: All I meant was that CC ships are (IMO) better then yours (and other mentioned players) and are therefore a good way to counter your ships. I did not mean to insult you.

Is it just me, or am I constantly misinterpreting your posts?

heheh

*grins*


I have plans...

OOC: It is just you....

No. I think we must have a communication problem.

Your speaking English too, right??? :)

*shakes fist in air* "DAMN YOU MURPHY!!!"

</hostile hijack>

OC would like to buy 2 of these battlegroups

First off, all orders confirmed, they will arrive within the week.

And wazzu... LOL sorry, I misread... I'm an idiot ^_^ I thought I was arguing with another one of those psychos that has 24-mile long ships... i was wrong.

But anyway, all your estimations are off non-mass-produced ships... Mine ARE mass produced, thus the cost would be less. You are taking in Research into account, I already did that a while ago, and have since lowered my prices.

So you comparing your limited edition 315m long ships to my mass produced 797m long ships is quite different.

Sorry for the argument, now quit calling me cardboard before I call you... umm... well... someone who spends too much on ships ^_^

First off, all orders confirmed, they will arrive within the week.

And wazzu... LOL sorry, I misread... I'm an idiot ^_^ I thought I was arguing with another one of those psychos that has 24-mile long ships... i was wrong.

But anyway, all your estimations are off non-mass-produced ships... Mine ARE mass produced, thus the cost would be less. You are taking in Research into account, I already did that a while ago, and have since lowered my prices.

So you comparing your limited edition 315m long ships to my mass produced 797m long ships is quite different.

Sorry for the argument, now quit calling me cardboard before I call you... umm... well... someone who spends too much on ships ^_^

OOC: Ah! Must...not...respond...failing....

Yea, I spend a lot on ships, but they are "mass produced", at least in the same way as a carrier or cruiser might be. A few at a time. Said 315 meter long ship is the first of its class, there will be more. 3 every 3 years at first, then it'll split and become slower.

And research is always being done...always.

You could say I prefer 10 McClarin(sp?) F1's over 1000 (albet decked out) Honda Accords.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92299

The time for talk is over. The time for action... is now.

Except there's no reason for your action

Hmm... well I would prefer that as well... but did you see anything wrong with the math I did?

I have one such "McLaren" rigt now, and I'm considering building 3 more, because it rocks so much... both will cost about 1.5 Trillion, each successor slightly better than the last.

You bring up a good point, I guess... but it's still pretty hard to see why you would consider my ships hondas... is it just because they are from a somwhat newer nation, and 1st model? if that is why, then I kinda understand... i will upgrade my ships and make them better etc as I go along... I didn't want to be uber right off thwe bat.

So if that's your point, I think I get it now.

so roania, please post what you are using to attack klonar with so i can make some decisions here.

Hmm... well I would prefer that as well... but did you see anything wrong with the math I did?

I have one such "McLaren" rigt now, and I'm considering building 3 more, because it rocks so much... both will cost about 1.5 Trillion, each successor slightly better than the last.

You bring up a good point, I guess... but it's still pretty hard to see why you would consider my ships hondas... is it just because they are from a somwhat newer nation, and 1st model? if that is why, then I kinda understand... i will upgrade my ships and make them better etc as I go along... I didn't want to be uber right off thwe bat.

So if that's your point, I think I get it now.

OOC: You asked me to keep it in message via message, but your asking me questions here...so I'll answer these questions here and keep further commentary in message.

The math you did? Donno...my math is typically physics, mostly energetics (because it is a lot easier then multiple integral vector calculus).

I consider your ships Hondas because they are not the best sports cars out there (Menelmacari gravships, WV Wisps, etc), but far from the worst "Gorbies" (Angelus) or ultra-high-tech 1980's Datsons (Xanthal). This is partly because of nation age, but also has to do with selling on the open market (who would sell their best stuff? Dangerous), and partly to do with mass (quantity) rather then limited (quality) production. It also has a lot to do with resources put into each ship (represented by currency, in this case US dollars) and claimed capibilities (Angelus has far more then anyone, and Xanthal claims far better then anyone since Mishakal).

NOTE: I think Angelus is a very good RPer, he (she?) just has faaaaar too many ships. Xanthal's RP ability is hardly questionable...after a fashion.

so roania, please post what you are using to attack klonar with so i can make some decisions here.you couldn't afford it, as per you have no money ^_^

He's an older nation. He didn't just start today (his old nation was deleted)

Hmm... well I would prefer that as well... but did you see anything wrong with the math I did?

I have one such "McLaren" rigt now, and I'm considering building 3 more, because it rocks so much... both will cost about 1.5 Trillion, each successor slightly better than the last.

You bring up a good point, I guess... but it's still pretty hard to see why you would consider my ships hondas... is it just because they are from a somwhat newer nation, and 1st model? if that is why, then I kinda understand... i will upgrade my ships and make them better etc as I go along... I didn't want to be uber right off thwe bat.

So if that's your point, I think I get it now.

OOC: You asked me to keep it in message via message, but your asking me questions here...so I'll answer these questions here and keep further commentary in message.

The math you did? Donno...my math is typically physics, mostly energetics (because it is a lot easier then multiple integral vector calculus).

I consider your ships Hondas because they are not the best sports cars out there (Menelmacari gravships, WV Wisps, etc), but far from the worst "Gorbies" (Angelus) or ultra-high-tech 1980's Datsons (Xanthal). This is partly because of nation age, but also has to do with selling on the open market (who would sell their best stuff? Dangerous), and partly to do with mass (quantity) rather then limited (quality) production. It also has a lot to do with resources put into each ship (represented by currency, in this case US dollars) and claimed capibilities (Angelus has far more then anyone, and Xanthal claims far better then anyone since Mishakal).

NOTE: I think Angelus is a very good RPer, he (she?) just has faaaaar too many ships. Xanthal's RP ability is hardly questionable...after a fashion.Gotcha, and FYI.... these are cheapo versions of the ones I use in my fleets :P the ones I use in my fleets have slightly different tech... I reserve some of it for myself ya know ;) Like the Chlor-Borg technologies and the Chloro Warheads and all that.

Other than that, hey, I'm a corporation, and I gotta make money ^_^ at least I don't have a 95% profit margin like Resi lol

He's an older nation. He didn't just start today (his old nation was deleted)..why not resurrect...?

It's a BUMP new day! Good night all! ^_^

Every time I read a topic on starships I find myself getting ripped on. I should add something on this to my reasons to ignore me list.

You? This entire thread is one huge Anti-Klonor fest!

Wouldn't it be ironic if someone purchased one of these and then either gave it to Klonor or allied with him?

On a completely different and non-related topic, I'll take one.

I don't see anything wrong with your ships.... It's sci-fi themed RP and they match perfect examples of ships from sci-fi that hold together perfectly.

Wouldn't it be ironic if someone purchased one of these and then either gave it to Klonor or allied with him?

On a completely different and non-related topic, I'll take one.order confirmed, expect it by the end of the week.

Wouldn't it be ironic if someone purchased one of these and then either gave it to Klonor or allied with him?

On a completely different and non-related topic, I'll take one.

Am I gonna have to hurt you?

Wouldn't it be ironic if someone purchased one of these and then either gave it to Klonor or allied with him?

On a completely different and non-related topic, I'll take one.

Am I gonna have to hurt you?

I wouldn't suggest trying for a variety of reasons.

And anyway, it was just hypothetical...or was it? :twisted:

Ye Godz!!

You have to love this "My Superiority Complex Is Better Than Yours" arguments..

:)

Wouldn't it be ironic if someone purchased one of these and then either gave it to Klonor or allied with him?

On a completely different and non-related topic, I'll take one.

Am I gonna have to hurt you?

I wouldn't suggest trying for a variety of reasons.

And anyway, it was just hypothetical...or was it? :twisted:

So I am going to have to hurt you. :evil:

Wouldn't it be ironic if someone purchased one of these and then either gave it to Klonor or allied with him?

On a completely different and non-related topic, I'll take one.

Am I gonna have to hurt you?

I wouldn't suggest trying for a variety of reasons.

And anyway, it was just hypothetical...or was it? :twisted:

So I am going to have to hurt you. :evil:

Are we done with the macho posturing yet? I can do more but I was just wondering.

"Macho posturing"? What the hell are you talking about?

Macho Posturing: (verb) Comparing penis sizes.

Macho Posturing: (verb) Comparing penis sizes.

How do you know i'm not female?

Macho Posturing: (verb) Comparing penis sizes.

How do you know i'm not female?

You could still have a penis

Macho Posturing: (verb) Comparing penis sizes.

How do you know i'm not female?

You could still have a penis

:shock: