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01 Declares Slagkattunger a Rogue Nations

01
12-11-2003, 10:44
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{Carrier Standing By}

[TRANSMISSION COMMENCING]

"Good evening fellow members of the international community. As the representative of MT-01, it is my duty to announce that the Governing Council of 01 has decided that the nation of Slagkattunger is a threat to our existance. We have decided that they are such a threat that we are in the process of mobilzing to eliminate that threat. We come before you tonight to garner support; as for too long these "cat-people" tried to escape justice by claiming persecution. Too long have they tried to hide behind others, to elude detection by the just.

We have obtained irrevocable proof that Slagkattunger scientists are developing a controlled EMP bomb.

While many organics might not realize it, those who depend on mechanical and electronic means to live find such weapons to be the grossest of horrors. With an EMP bomb, a single organic would be able to enslave our entire nation, for we are defenceless against it. Any nation possesing such a device is like giving a third-world dictatorship control over a nuclear stockpile. It is not a question of if they will use them, but when. We are now moving to insure that this threat is never realized. We are announcing that any nation found to be in possession of a controled EMP device will first be warned to destroy it and all designs and research pretaining to it. Afterwards, if the fail to comply, they will be subject to termination. We ask that others who feel likewise pledge their support to our cause. Thank you."

-Speakermind 671, MT-01

[TRANSMISSION TERMINATED]

{Carrier Standing By}
Roania
12-11-2003, 10:48
OOC: Good news, bad news time.

Good News: They haven't yet.

Bad News: I already have an EMP bomb. They exist in modern tech, so it's only natural that I would have one.
01
12-11-2003, 10:53
OOC: Good news, bad news time.

Good News: They haven't yet.

Bad News: I already have an EMP bomb. They exist in modern tech, so it's only natural that I would have one.

ooc: So, you want to be next then? Mmmkay :)
Hegemonia Polska
12-11-2003, 11:03
Admiral of the Fleet(Ret) Vassily Sunekov dozed at his desk. With so many of their allies at war presently the commander of HegPol had little time for sleep, so was dreaming peacefully.
Watching carefully from the office security monitors Miranda diverted the tiniest portion of her attention to the incoming com traffic. She'd long ago flagged all reports mentioning EMP to her immediate control. A 10th of a picosecond sufficed for her to comprehend the report. A very long time for Miranda. She exclaimed to herself. The EMP bomb would be nearly as devastating to the UPN as 01, the Marines and the Asimov Series androids would be incredibly vulnerable to it, even if she herself was well shielded. She detached a hardlight hologram projector from the wall and formed her body image around it. She padded silently to Vassily's desk and gently woke the sleeping Admiral, shunting the report to his Com/Com implants as she did. His face blanked for a moment as he processed it. Then it hardened into the lines which had earned him the sobriquet "Hammer". "Miranda..well you understand this better than me. So there's no need for discussion of whether we will or won't go. I'll send our entire legion contingent, and command it myself. The Colony can cloak and shield up while we're gone, and run the gate/shift on passive. Standard movement orders please Miranda."
She smiled. Vassily had been wasted in this assignment she felt, unable to lead like he'd been born to, but the fire in his eyes told her that he had not lost anything to it. She nodded to him and let her body image dissolve and sent the projector back to it's niche. Working with the 01 A.I would be interesting...but she wasn't going to leave Vassily. Not ever.

*Com from UPN Colony Station HegPol to 01*
*machine code offering support from HegPol in removing slag's EMP cap*
*wait for acceptance*
The Most Glorious Hack
12-11-2003, 11:06
This is an interesting development.

I have to ask, will the electronic entities of 01 come after any nation with a nuclear device? After all, such weapons produce electro-magnetic pulse, that's largely hwo they were discovered. Clearly any nation in possession of nuclear weapons represents a similar risk to 01. Easily a greater threat as said nuclear device would also have dire effects on physical structures, in addition to the effects of the EMP pulse.

I find myself wondering if this is more of an excuse, as opposed to a truly perceived threat.

In closing, I will also point out that the Hack likewise has knowledge of such devices, as would be expected by any familiar with us. However, such devices are not created by us. Just as we don't manufacture nuclear weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons, etc. etc. etc.

Hells, as anyone familiar with our nation knows, we don't manufacture much of anything, but that's beside the point. While we have no plans to create EMP weapons, we will not destroy research materials, schematics, designs, or anything of the sort. Our research is our business, not yours. Furthermore, destruction of information and knowledge is... barbaric.

- Dr. Josef Specter, Director of Information Technology
The Semi-Autonomous Technocratic Oligarchy of The Most Glorious Hack
Slagkattunger
12-11-2003, 11:08
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Ambassador Jade Purrlinda
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Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed.
Email:- Slagkattunger@hotmail.com
Slagkattunger Nation Profile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78165)
My Nations GDP (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Slagkattunger)
Covered by DRI (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83705)

Jade looking a little puzzled and surprised "We are developing an EMP bomb, is that at all possible?" pauses and punches in a password, searches and frowns.

"Reality can be beaten with enough imagination."

"Nations of the world we deny these allegations and demand that the nation of 01 prove these allegations. We believe that these are false intelligence reports that the nation of 01 are trying to use as an excuse to attack our nation. We have never threaten this nation of 01 and have no reason to try and develop a weapon for use against them.

The Free Land of Slagkattunger is a peaceful nation without any weapon of mass distruction, can the nation of 01 say the same? Furthermore if the nations of the world allow this traversty to continue, how long will it be before a nation uses false information against you?

Also we ask any nation that happens to believe these false reports to ask to be shown proof before they commit their forces, as this may be a distraction to undermine their nations defence.

Thank you."
Assington
12-11-2003, 11:13
Assington sports a small supply of EMP weapons. We shall not destroy the devices or the plans. But we have no intention of attacking or threatening 01.
imported_Celeborne
12-11-2003, 11:18
I have these devices (and have used them). Am I on your list ?

Slagkattunger if you need our assistance, just ask.
The Ctan
12-11-2003, 11:30
We also have specialised anti-electronic equipment technology. Perhaps you should invest in hardening your systems rather than trying to dispose of a well known phonemenon? Posession of a weapon capable of mass destruction is not an excuse to attack someone. You need proof of their intent to use it against you before you would have Causus Belli.

(OOC: Incidentally, contary to what films like The Matrix would suggest, EMP would kill a human just as dead as a machine (inducing the same current in a human brain is much more dangerous.) I think you're thinking of HPM devices, (http://www.de.afrl.af.mil/Factsheets/HPM.html) high-power microwave which aren't nearly as dangerous to humans)
01
12-11-2003, 11:32
(lets try to keep this thread as IC'ly as possible, mmkay?)

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{Carrier Standing By}

[TRANSMISSION COMMENCING]

"Proof? While our sources cannot be compromised, but our intelligence angency has obtained aerial and satallite photo's of highly suspicious research sites and laboratories. In addition, we have discovered several audio tapes of recorded telephone conversations between top Slagkattungerian officials and field scientists related specificly to developement of such henious weapons. We demand that all such experiments cease, and 01 or 01-approved inspectors be permitted to throughly search the sites for any traces of said weapons. While we are willnig to negotiate regarding the destruction of plans and designs for EMP weapons, we will NOT back down from our demand that weapons be dismantled. We will negotiate, but we not back down. Good day."

-Speakmind 671, MT-01

[TRANSMISSION TERMINATED]

{Carrier Standing By}
Slagkattunger
12-11-2003, 11:32
I have these devices (and have used them). Am I on your list ?

Slagkattunger if you need our assistance, just ask.

"Only if they attacks us we have no desire to go to war, but if they attack us feel free to attack their nation with those EMP weapons of yours. We don't have any so we will have to make do with our current forces, lucky for us that we developed and started mass production of GRIM's just a few years ago.

We still can't figure out where these claims of an EMP bomb comes from, most of our military research was dedicated to developing GRIM's indeed we are now research technology to improve our capabilities in deploying them quickly. Also the Space Elevator project and the expansion of a Mono Rail network is absorbing most of our civilian budget."
Neralli
12-11-2003, 11:38
The Neralli refuse to accept 01's claims that they are "defenceless" against EMP. Furthermore, in direct response to this rash move by 01, the Neralli shall seek to obtain EMP technology for themselves, and do hereby advise 01 that any attempt to attack any Neralli holdings shall be met by lethal force, including EMP if necessary.

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Want to know more about Neralli? (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91505)
The Imperial Navy
12-11-2003, 11:42
The Emperor took the stand on INS News.

"If 01 attacks anyone for owning an EMP weapon, which is not against international law, we shall ground them into a fine paste and sprinkle them on our oatmeal. This is your ONLY warning."

with that, the emperor left the newsroom.

"Hmph, never trusted AI. Angelus is ok though..."
01
12-11-2003, 11:48
This is an interesting development.

I have to ask, will the electronic entities of 01 come after any nation with a nuclear device? After all, such weapons produce electro-magnetic pulse, that's largely hwo they were discovered. Clearly any nation in possession of nuclear weapons represents a similar risk to 01. Easily a greater threat as said nuclear device would also have dire effects on physical structures, in addition to the effects of the EMP pulse.

"We do not wish to limit options by giving out arbitrary 'yes' or 'no' answers. While we have no plans to eliminate any known nuclear threats, we would feel obligated to eliminate any possible threats that might arise from within our sphere of influence. Such policies were undertaken by humans in the past, and I believe that they still are today"


I find myself wondering if this is more of an excuse, as opposed to a truly perceived threat.

"An excuse? For what? For attempting to insure our own safety? For trying to save a dozen generations of history form being wiped out when some madman decides that he dosen't like the colour of our flag? If these are not good enough reasons, then such a reason does not, and can not exist."

In closing, I will also point out that the Hack likewise has knowledge of such devices, as would be expected by any familiar with us. However, such devices are not created by us. Just as we don't manufacture nuclear weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons, etc. etc. etc.

"We applaud you for being a responsable member of the international community. Likewise, we also do not own, import, export, or produce chemical biological, or nuclear weapons. We have been the subjects of nuclear attack before, and it is not an experience we wish to share."

Hells, as anyone familiar with our nation knows, we don't manufacture much of anything, but that's beside the point. While we have no plans to create EMP weapons, we will not destroy research materials, schematics, designs, or anything of the sort. Our research is our business, not yours. Furthermore, destruction of information and knowledge is... barbaric.

- Dr. Josef Specter, Director of Information Technology
The Semi-Autonomous Technocratic Oligarchy of The Most Glorious Hack

"As we have stated, we are willing to waive the manditory destruction of designs for EMP devices, but we are still adamant that no one should be in possession of large-scale EMP weaponry. Just as we believe that nuclear wepaons should be abolished. Thank you."

-Speakermind 722, MT-01
01
12-11-2003, 11:52
"We warn both Neralli and the Imperial navy from attempting to provoke us. Perhaps you would like us to start producing biological wepaonry? After all, they have no effect on us. Maybe some chemical agents? We don't breathe... so it won't bother us. And, note that we will not hesitate to meet force with force. I assure you we are most able to."

-Speakermind 194, MT-01
Hegemonia Polska
12-11-2003, 11:53
World Com From HegPol Command.
*the UPN crest appears on the screen, then is replaced by an attractive, auburn haired woman with what looks like a small tattoo of crown with a sword through it on the left of her forehead. She begins to speak in a quiet but firm voice.*
Essentially our position is that EMPs are a WMD versus any electronic based intelligence. Given that a sizeable portion of our population *are* EBI, we hold that any development of an EMP bomb as equivelant to developing any WMD. If the world community is so prejudiced against EBIs to permit this, well then, it's up to us to act. And in this modern age, how can you know who is what you so laughably call 'real', and who is not? We maintain that those nations who have EMP weaponry are just as bad as those who proliferate other WMDs.
*The woman's image dissolves and is replaced by a harsh featured, bearded, dark haired man in a highcollared bronzey-brown military uniform. He speaks*
"Now. You've heard from my adjutant Miranda. What you may not have noticed is that Miranda herself is an EBI and a citizen of our state. It's my job to protect our citizenry, flesh or code. So we'll do it. By any means necessary. Sunekov out."
*the UPN logo flashes up again, then normal service resumes*
The Most Glorious Hack
12-11-2003, 11:56
I find myself wondering if this is more of an excuse, as opposed to a truly perceived threat.

"An excuse? For what? For attempting to insure our own safety? For trying to save a dozen generations of history form being wiped out when some madman decides that he dosen't like the colour of our flag? If these are not good enough reasons, then such a reason does not, and can not exist."

I have simply noticed that this isn't the first interaction between 01 and Slagkattunger. I have noticed that your nation has been somewhat... antagonistic... towards Slagkuttunger before. I merely found it odd that you chose to single them out as opposed to the multitude of nations that currently have these devices, and have even released proud press releases about their development. Seems that would be a more logical place to start than a nation which hasn't even started construction. Or, according to them, research.

- Dr. Josef Specter, Director of Information Technology
The Semi-Autonomous Technocratic Oligarchy of The Most Glorious Hack
The Imperial Navy
12-11-2003, 11:56
"We warn both Neralli and the Imperial navy from attempting to provoke us. Perhaps you would like us to start producing biological wepaonry? After all, they have no effect on us. Maybe some chemical agents? We don't breathe... so it won't bother us. And, note that we will not hesitate to meet force with force. I assure you we are most able to."

-Speakermind 194, MT-01

You would not stand a chance in a war against us. We have EMP, and at the same time, have many allies.

Biological warheads? are your circuits scrambled? That is a sickening thought. I would NEVER use biological warfare on somone.

Just back down from your threats please, or we shall be forced to "Reprogram" you.
imported_Celeborne
12-11-2003, 11:59
In the first speakers office, Celeborne:
"Did that little...ermm" He regains his composure. "Were we just threatened for developing EMP weapons ? Twice ?" He bursts out into laughter.."send them an offical letter, To whom....."

To Whom it may concern,
We find your desire to protect your populace admirable and we will be more than happy to dismantle all of our EMP weapons. We will begin dismantleing them shortly after you have every other nation do away with chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons as well.

END
01
12-11-2003, 12:00
You would not stand a chance in a war against us. We have EMP, and at the same time, have many allies.

Biological warheads? are your circuits scrambled? That is a sickening thought. I would NEVER use biological warfare on somone.

Just back down from your threats please, or we shall be forced to "Reprogram" you.

"It seems that your brain's limited capasity for logic has escaped you. You would never use biological wepaons on humans, but you would knowingly commit a far greater atrocity by using an EMP on machines? Are you sure that we're the ones who are not "sane"? Your hollow threats are of no concern to us. Clearly you are not at all aware of the foe you would pit yourself against. We suggest you do your homework."

-Speakermind 194, MT-01

(ooc: Click over there, on my name. Notice we're about the same size? Ressurected Feb. nation. Cheers!)
Slagkattunger
12-11-2003, 12:02
"We are still requesting proof of these so call intelligence reports of us developing an EMP bomb. May I suggest that 01 check its satellite location at the time when these so called photos were taken, as I can assure you that they are not of our nation."

ooc:- Ummm all except 1 of my cities are underground as are all my research facilities, the only exception is the facilities dedicated to the Space Elevator development & construction. I have towns and other small population centers above ground, scattered through out the forests of Slagkattunger..but nothing that could be mistaken for lab's or research facilities.
The Imperial Navy
12-11-2003, 12:02
01, you ask for the impossible. your logic is flawed and stupid.

get an update-it looks like you're using Windows XP.
12-11-2003, 12:04
Perhaps the policy of EMP's vs WMD should be taken to the UN?
Neralli
12-11-2003, 12:05
"We warn both Neralli and the Imperial navy from attempting to provoke us. Perhaps you would like us to start producing biological wepaonry? After all, they have no effect on us. Maybe some chemical agents? We don't breathe... so it won't bother us. And, note that we will not hesitate to meet force with force. I assure you we are most able to."

-Speakermind 194, MT-01

I, Second Speaker for External Affairs, give you my word that the Neralli shall not be the first to fire, should conflict break out; but we do mean, under such circumstances, to be the last. Nor do we make threats...only promises.
01
12-11-2003, 12:05
To Whom it may concern,
We find your desire to protect your populace admirable and we will be more than happy to dismantle all of our EMP weapons. We will begin dismantleing them shortly after you have every other nation do away with chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons as well.

END

"That is agreeable. While it would be impossible to effect international policy as a whole, we are willing to trade on a one-on-one basis. Seeing as we have none of the above mentioned weapons, I assume we can count on your immediate dismantling of your EMP weapons? Or would you like us to attempt to "convince" you so more?"

-Speakermind 671, MT-01
01
12-11-2003, 12:10
01, you ask for the impossible. your logic is flawed and stupid.

get an update-it looks like you're using Windows XP.

"Fallen to the level of childhood insults already, have we human? That didn't take long. No, what we ask is far from impossible. After all, there are plenty of other weapons available that do the same thing as an EMP, without the massive risk posed to unprotected EBI's. We do not feel the need to threaten you with biological agents, so why must you feel the need to threaten us with EMP weapons?"

-Speakermind 671, MT-01
imported_Celeborne
12-11-2003, 12:13
We stand by our original agreement, you get the rest of the world to dismantle and we will follow suit.
Our AIs don't seem to have a problem with this weaponry, so we see no point in changing simply because you are feeling like an international bully today.
Look into our history, we have never fired the first shot in any conflict, EVER. We are no threat to you or to any other peace loving nation. Now stand down your threats or be shown to the world as an unreasonable aggressor and warmonger.
Slagkattunger
12-11-2003, 12:14
Jade listens to the intercepted communications between 01 and other nations.

"Nations of the world I repeat my earlier statement, The Free Land of Slagkattunger does not have any plans of an EMP Bomb nor the intention to develop such a weapon. Furthermore even when faced with nations that do have these EMP weapons, they do not desist from trying to gain justification to attack Slagkattunger.

I ask you the nations of the world, does this sound like the actions of somebeing trying to defend itself or the actions of a nation out to gain land by conquest?"
01
12-11-2003, 12:21
"Nations of the world I repeat my earlier statement, The Free Land of Slagkattunger does not have any plans of an EMP Bomb nor the intention to develop such a weapon. Furthermore even when faced with nations that do have these EMP weapons, they do not desist from trying to gain justification to attack Slagkattunger.

I ask you the nations of the world, does this sound like the actions of somebeing trying to defend itself or the actions of a nation out to gain land by conquest?"


"Slagkattunger obviously does not seem to understand our culture, so allow me to explain. You see, we do not need more land. We maintained our current borders for over two hundred years, and never have we sought to expand them. Any attack against Slagkattunger would by for the sole purpose of finding and eliminating any EMP based weapons. To make the international community feel better, we are also willing to seek the elimination of any biological or chemical weapons Slagkattunger might also posses.

"While on the topic, we find it curious that Slagkattunger has not yet appeared to be willing to allow inspections. If they truely had nothing to hide, then most asuredly they would be open such a process? Or are they really telling the truth?"

-Speakermind 671, MT-01
Larkinia
12-11-2003, 12:26
Larkinian Presidential Palace Main Office

President Takeo Katana read the statements to come out of Slagkattunger and 01 as his sipped his coffee.

Putting the screamsheets down he looked at General Dave Rios, leader of the Larkinian Military and recently released from the hospital after the coup attempt.

"EMP weapons," Takeo said, "Do those even exist?"

"Ummm, yes sir," Rios said. "We are armed with some."

"We are?"

"Yes sir... don't you ever read those military readiness reports I give you?"

"Sometimes."

Rios put his head in his hands a moment and sighed.
Slagkattunger
12-11-2003, 12:28
"Slagkattunger obviously does not seem to understand our culture, so allow me to explain. You see, we do not need more land. We maintained our current borders for over two hundred years, and never have we sought to expand them. Any attack against Slagkattunger would by for the sole purpose of finding and eliminating any EMP based weapons. To make the international community feel better, we are also willing to seek the elimination of any biological or chemical weapons Slagkattunger might also posses.

"While on the topic, we find it curious that Slagkattunger has not yet appeared to be willing to allow inspections. If they truely had nothing to hide, then most asuredly they would be open such a process? Or are they really telling the truth?"

-Speakermind 671, MT-01

"We will allow a neutral party in to inspect...umm what are they inspecting again? We do not have any weapons of mass destruction so we don't have any stockpiles. Nevermind we will allow this...after they have inspected & destroyed all WMD in 01, while they are doing this UN peacekeepers can take up position in our Port City."
01
12-11-2003, 12:41
"That is agreeable. We have always claimed that we have no WMD's, and are willing to stand by that claim in order to assure our safety fromteh likes of you. If you would please start the process by nominating a few neutral inspectors, we can get this whole thing behind us. We are against a UN inspection, as we are neither a UN member, nor were we permitted or invited to be one. And on op of that, UN inspectors are slow, clumsy, and incompetant. We would reccomend inspectors from such well-respected states as Der Angst, United Indiastan, or GMC Military Arms. Feel free to veto these nominations, as well as nominate your own. As a token of cooperation, military preperations have been suspending pending the outcome of the inspections. Thank you."

-Speakermind 194, MT-01

(PS: please check yer TG's. Oh, and I'm going to sleep...)
Slagkattunger
12-11-2003, 12:47
"Not United Indiastan, they are forbiden to enter the Free Land of Slagkattunger. I suggest we let the nations of the world decide who should inspect both nations, as any choise by either of us would be invalid as both of us will chose nations friendly towards our cause without meaning too."
The Ctan
12-11-2003, 12:54
"Perhaps we have missed something, but does 01 truly believe that it has the right to limit another state's weapons making capacity by edict? The fact that another soverign state has weapons of mass destruction, or is planning to construct them, is not a matter for millitary force.

The fact is, the genie cannot be returned to the bottle, Directed Energy Weapons can not be undone any more than one could make the principle of nuclear fission be undiscovered. The MT will just have to accept a world where others can harm them as easily as organics can be harmed."

- Ravencroft Hive Management AI, "Jane."
Slagkattunger
12-11-2003, 12:58
"Since we do not have Weapons of Mass Destruction we have nothing to hide, we do ask that any inspection party be bound by a gag order on anything other than the WMD information. This is due to the fact that hostile nations may be trying to scout out our nation, breaking this gag order should mean the inspecting nation must pay us something in the trillions plus come to our aid in advent of an attack."

ooc:- 01 check TG
01
12-11-2003, 13:01
"Various human nations have, in the past, acted unilaterally and in a military fashion to keep their rivals from gaining nuclear and other weapons of massed destruction. While you are correct in stating that the technology cannot be undone, it is certainly within our right to do what we can to stop it proliferation. Certainly you can uderstand that?"

-Speakermind 884, MT-01
The Ctan
12-11-2003, 13:06
"Various human nations have, in the past, acted unilaterally and in a military fashion to keep their rivals from gaining nuclear and other weapons of massed destruction. While you are correct in stating that the technology cannot be undone, it is certainly within our right to do what we can to stop it proliferation. Certainly you can uderstand that?"

-Speakermind 884, MT-01

"We would not approve of that either, a soverign state has the right to arm itself as it wishes in our opinion. We see no reason why states should not posess weapons capable of harming EI as EI can easily do in return to organics."

- Ravencroft Hive Management AI, "Jane."

ooc: Although, given Slagkattunger's latest creation, OOC I see why you might not want them having DEWs :D
12-11-2003, 13:13
Deep within the Palace of the Ancients' silent halls the current Domitor of the Communion of Tirest walks as he ponders current events.

The machines are right to fear, one of his voices offers. The possession of a weapon indicates the capability, and, more importantly, willingness to use it.

The clamor of voices drones out anything further, and pains the Domitor's mind until order can be restored. When silence reigns once more, a second voice is permitted to venture forth.

Posession of a weapon indicates merely that one feels the need to possess it. Weapons are as much diversionary tools as engines of destruction in this age.

Be silent, youngling. You have seen too few years to understand the nature of human conflict. If a weapon is built, it must be used. It is the purpose and nature of the weapon.

We are all equals here, old one, in the face of the will of the Domitor.

"I will speak with the machines before we make a decision," comes the domitor's voice, silencing those in her, or was it his?, head.
01
12-11-2003, 13:14
"We would not approve of that either, a soverign state has the right to arm itself as it wishes in our opinion. We see no reason why states should not posess weapons capable of harming EI as EI can easily do in return to organics."

- Ravencroft Hive Management AI, "Jane."

"It is because of our policy of not maintaining such weapons intended to harm biologicals that motivates us. We could just as easily arm ourselves with such weapons. Would that be preferable?"

-Speakermind 884, MT-01
The Ctan
12-11-2003, 13:23
"Yes, in our opinion, deterrance would save more lives than attempting to use force to pre-empt Slagkattungerian development of DEWs. Additionally, the co-operation of the international community would not be a neccessity."

- Ravencroft Hive Management AI, "Jane."
The Imperial Navy
12-11-2003, 13:32
Not smart are you 01?

disarming EMP's may leave you safe-but biological warheads can still be dangerous to humans-which is what we are.

Besides-what if another AI-a real bad one shows up?

that is why we need EMP weapons. not to attack, but to defend.
Slagkattunger
12-11-2003, 14:43
"Sigh rumors are so hard to disprove, the truth is we never had or will have Weapons of Mass distruction to use against any nation. We think that 01 is projecting their hostile nature upon us, as any inspection team will prove.

We still worry though, how do we know that once we are confirmed WMD free that 01 or some other nation will not attack us? As a result of the potential hostile actions taken by nations that believe 01 false statements, we are taking precautions to gaurd our nation. Be warned that we are setting up minefields in our forest and our coastal waters, ships entering our waters will be met by a pilot boat to safely guide them through the minefields."
12-11-2003, 14:55
Empire of Gradenk wishes to see "evidence" of such claims by 01. As for Slagkattunger, We will stand behind him. As for now, let this just be a diplomatic squablle between your two nations. In the event that you attack Slagkattunger, Gradenk would come to her aid.

OOC: Even if you're a feb nation does not mean that you're stronger than other nations. Respect must be earned not given .
12-11-2003, 14:56
01 seems to be the most threat-happy nation I've ever seen, honestly, I mean, if any nation is a rogue, it's them, always threatening to try to "Convince" other nations to do certain things from what I've seen, we're going to research EMP technologies one of these days, not yet, but someday, they can be very handy in war you know.
~Charlse Bridler
12-11-2003, 15:05
We already have EMP technology. An it's only for my defense. It's been used in war before but it's success was pretty limited due top the fact that first Generation EMPs were deployed then. We're now currently in the 2nd Generation. More stable but there is still some teething problems to be worked out.

We're developing a new version ...what else..a third Generation model.

Again, it's only be used for our protection . Gradenk has a good track record in conflicts. We don't threaten any one unless the situation warrants it. And we're also anti WMD..We do have nuclear capability but choose not to develop any nuclear weapons. We don't even have biological or chemical weapons but our military is well prepared to deal with any conflicts.
The Resi Corporation
12-11-2003, 17:45
Amidst a cheering crowd in Market Square, Resi City, CEO Jai resi approached the speaker's podium. He gazed across his throngs of fans, smiled, then raised his hands for silence. Clearing his throat, he began to talk...

"Citizens of the Resi Corporation, and of the world, I come to you today to discuss a very serious matter. The nation of Slagkattunger is developing EMP weapons. Now, in the case of most other nations we would side with 01 against them, but Slagkattunger is our dearest friend, a nation of nekos like half of ours. Therefore, we have come to announce that the Resian Imperial Councel will convene for the first time in history to discuss what should be done about the present situation. There we will discuss the merits of going to war for either side, the economic ramifications, the possibilities of embargo*, further trade agreements, and (if war is declared) possible battle strategies. Commander Ugar will preside over the councel, and hhe, I, and a panel of our subordinants will decide what is best for the Resi Corporation, and what is best for the world. Thank you, Goddess bless!"

Applause. Resi exits.

*OOC: Though it didn't work too well with 01 in the Martix, I suspect it'll work better here :wink:
Santa Barbara
12-11-2003, 18:05
The PrattCo Conglomerate, having monitored this situation, and having a healthy neutral business attitude with many of the mentioned parties, has decided to intervene for the greater good of us all.

To the government of 01, our message is thus: Your attempts to regulate the free business of sovereign nations is more a violation of international law than the mere act of developing EMP capable weapons, the latter of which is clearly an excuse on your part for your own paranoia.

To admit "inspectors" into the Free Land of Slagkattunger, merely on the basis of one nations obvious hostility and bias, would be to set an ugly precedent of unwarranted accusations and demands to politics that the world cannot afford to accept.

We wholeheartedly resist this effort to violate national sovereignty, and assert that the people of 01 must prove not only that the Slagkattunger government is researching said weapon, but is planning to use this against 01. Until you do so, you have no case here, and we will not sit idly by while you send inspectors, 'neutral' or no, to try to find the evidence you so clearly lack.

Since you're obviously willing to listen to more reasonable and peaceful solutions, you will take note that the consequences of violating Slagkattunger sovereignty will be far greater for you than the alleged threat you claim they pose.

Eric Love
Director, International Developments Group
PrattCo Conglomerate
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Sakkra
12-11-2003, 18:37
The Emperor Gorrm arrives in his Imperial Mantle up to the podium, where he gives an AV Holo address.

"We hereby officially announce our support for our associate Slagkattunger, as we have done in the past, and will continue to do in the future. The Techno ramblings of this 01 are baseless, as we have been assisting Slagkattunger in their weapons development, and it does not involve WoMD, as we find them tasteless and lacking in the glory of battle."

"Do not be fooled into believing us defenseless, however. We have other ways of defending ourselves from mechanical attackers. EMP's would do as much harm to our devices and AIs as to you. Foolishness."
Slagkattunger
13-11-2003, 02:56
Amidst a cheering crowd in Market Square, Resi City, CEO Jai resi approached the speaker's podium. He gazed across his throngs of fans, smiled, then raised his hands for silence. Clearing his throat, he began to talk...

"Citizens of the Resi Corporation, and of the world, I come to you today to discuss a very serious matter. The nation of Slagkattunger is developing EMP weapons. Now, in the case of most other nations we would side with 01 against them, but Slagkattunger is our dearest friend, a nation of nekos like half of ours. Therefore, we have come to announce that the Resian Imperial Councel will convene for the first time in history to discuss what should be done about the present situation. There we will discuss the merits of going to war for either side, the economic ramifications, the possibilities of embargo*, further trade agreements, and (if war is declared) possible battle strategies. Commander Ugar will preside over the councel, and he, I, and a panel of our subordinants will decide what is best for the Resi Corporation, and what is best for the world. Thank you, Goddess bless!"

Applause. Resi exits.

Communication link to Resi Corporation is opened.
"I can assure you that we are not developing any EMP weapons, nor do we have any hostile intentions towards the nation of 01. This whole thing came at us from out of nowhere and has gotten my govenment very worried, as we are unsure of 01 real intentions but suspect them of trying to manufacture an excuse to attack us."

Close communication link
Sketch
13-11-2003, 03:28
To: 01 Diplomatics router
From: Sketchian Foreign Affairs
Subj: EMP possession allegations
Msg:

We find it highly disturbing that a nation alledgedly as advanced as yours would be so quick as to seek out violent solutions to a problem which does not yet exist. Your petty attempts at trying to cow and subdue another nation to your will will only serve to increase international ire towards you. Continue on this course of action, and you may soon find yourself targeted by more than just "developmental stage" weapons. We stongly suggest that you cease this course of action and quitely go back to where you came from.

Derrick Johnson
Representative, Diplomatic Corps

P.S. We suggest that you find ways to harden yourselves against EMP weapons, as there are many nations out there that would not hesitate to shoot first and deny later.

ooc: I think this communication is slightly late.............meh *shrugs* we're far away.....or something like that :P
The Resi Corporation
13-11-2003, 03:35
((OOC: Blame it on international lag, say your government only has 56k or something. :wink: ))
Sakkra
13-11-2003, 03:51
Meanwhile, deep in the weapons testing labs of Hreer University

"Director Shuuta has done more than adequately with this find. Made while researching organic Void-craft, you say?"

"Yes, Dr. Ggaal. The specimens in the asteroid belt generated this themselves. We got all the information from the research facility there in an encrypted laser-pulse transmission."

"This is the fifth batch, right? What happened to the other four attempts?"

"The first batch operated far too slowly for optimal usage. It would take a whole week to dissolve 3 inches of metal. The second batch was far more effective, but dissolved organic matter as well, which defeats the purpose of this project. Third batch showed activity for about five seconds before it neutralized itself. Fourth batch shows......inability to dissolve synthetic petrol-based products. Plastic and the like. We hope this attempt will bear fruit."

In a room separated by a 1 meter thick wall of titanium and also a 1 meter thick wall of bullet-proof Plexi.

A culture of organic matter in a sealed container is loaded into a shell, which is then loaded into a high-powered rifle. The shell is chambered while another shell is being prepared.

A Horde Trooper hoists the rifle, and aims it at the titanium. The round is fired, and the shell seems to embed itself into the titanium. After a brief second, a strange, bubbling oozing substance, reeking like sulphur, issues forth from the entry hole and begins to spread. Every piece of titanium that comes into contact with it dissolves, until a 4' radius hole is eaten through the wall. A scientist then touches the bubbling material with a plant stem, and the substance seems to neutralize in that area.

"Excellent. You call it the Spore? If the Spore does this well on the Petrol-based wall, we will begin processing it immediately. General Gaarm has expressed great interest in use of this substance at all possible speed."

OOC: Remember, this is secret stuff! You do not know it! Mwah ha ha ha!
The Resi Corporation
13-11-2003, 03:54
((OOC: My nation would be much interested in buying that, if you'd offer. :wink: ))

The First Resian Imperial Councel has begun here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92237), and one of the topics at hand is the 01/Slagkattunger delemma. Join if you want!
Sakkra
13-11-2003, 04:04
OOC: Not for sale at this time. Been working on this for 2 weeks RL time.
Steel Butterfly
13-11-2003, 04:14
((OOC: Blame it on international lag, say your government only has 56k or something. :wink: ))

lol :roll:
01
13-11-2003, 16:23
(this is an offical OOC announcement form the 01 Ministry of OOC-ness.)

"Due to situations beyond our control, 01 will not be online untill the 23rd of November. Sorry, but that pesky "real life" thing calls. Don't worry, I havn't forgotten you all, but I won't have internet access on my vacation. Therefore, if anyone gets any funny ideas (like a pre-emptive strike or other such things) they will sadly be ignored, because I won't be here to deal with them. So, just to make this clear, I'm not pulling a Resi and using RL as an excuse to duck out of a mess I've made. I really am going on vacation, and you won't see me around. Thanks, and have a nice, er, month. Cheers."

-01 Ministry of OOC-ness.

(Look out Mexico, here I come. :))
Belem
13-11-2003, 16:37
Interesting choice of nation to decide to make demands to considering dozens of other nations possess EMP weapons.
In fact Belem has over 800 EMP sats that can send a pulse through a circle with a 75 mile radius.
Audioslavia
13-11-2003, 17:05
Audioslavian satyrical news program "Have I Got Cochise For You" mentions the 01 situation:

"....its almost as if the world is turning into a big playground, one of the smaller kids has just told someone he's scared of spiders and that he will tell the teacher on anyone who throws spiders at him. Of course, now every kid in school has said "hey, you better not come near me, i have soooo many spiders!" before running onto the field to desperately try and find a spider so they can seem really threatening and cool"

As a result, many audioslavians are now watching a big joke in the confort of their own home, keep the childishness coming world, we love it ;)
Crimmond
13-11-2003, 17:09
We... urge the nation of 01 to stop with these claims. It is the soverign right of another nation to decide what weapons they construct, not yours or mine. I care not if a nazi sits in the corner and makes an anthrax or other biochem weapon. I care little if Slagkattunger produces EMP. If you do not wish it used on you... then don't do anything to warrent it's use!

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Larea dinAthos
Head of Interspecies Relations
Represenitive Council to the Coalition of Universal Rights (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83081)
Quote: "Wars are not started by the military. They are started by bad diplomacy."
United Indiastan
13-11-2003, 18:55
While we do not agree with 01's methods in pursuing their actions, we do understand the reasons. While you may not realize it, historicly many larger and more powerfull nations have used that power to keep smaller and weaker nations from developing weapons that would "level the playing field", so to speak. This type of action was suprisingly common during the latter 20th century, and it is obvious that 01 is attempting to prevent Slagkattunger from developing EMP weaponry in order to keep the current balance of power intact; a balance tipped heavily in favour of 01. As a result of their threats and accusations, as well as the relative hopelessness of the Slagkattunger cause should direct military action commence, we are hereby declaring our neutrality. We are willing to aide Slagkattunger in non-military ways, however. We would be willing to take in refugees, as well as provide food and medical supplies. However, we will not sell weapons or dispatch troops. Thank you.

-Ambassador Vir Cotto, Indiastan Foreign Ministy
Slagkattunger
14-11-2003, 01:09
Jade mutters under her breath as she listens to United Indiastan announcement "You would advicate the right of big nations to bully little ones, didn't you try the same thing to us when we wouldn't back down from supporting our friends. My arn't you fast to write us off if it does come to military conflict, if anyone does attack us they will find this nation is like a fishbone small but capable of choking you to death."

###World broadcast channel opened###
"It is clear to us that it is impossible to disprove a untruth when you cannot show any evidence. We do not have any EMP weapons nor have we researched any, because of this we cannot show any evidence to prove this is so. All I can say is We, The Free Land of Slagkattunger firmly denie any reports of us researching or having EMP weapons. These reports are untrue and we request that the nations of the world have a closer look at the motives of the nation that accuses us of possession of said weapons. Thank you for listening."

###Channel Closed###

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Ambassador Jade Purrlinda
The Free Land of Slagkattungerhttp://www.nationstates.net/images/un_member.gif
Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed.
Email:- Slagkattunger@hotmail.com
Slagkattunger Nation Profile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78165)
My Nations GDP (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Slagkattunger)
Covered by DRI (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83705)
Crimmond
14-11-2003, 05:48
Not only that... Slagkattunger would not be fighting alone. They have more than enough allies to deter attack.
Roania
14-11-2003, 05:58
OOC: Good news, bad news time.

Good News: They haven't yet.

Bad News: I already have an EMP bomb. They exist in modern tech, so it's only natural that I would have one.

ooc: So, you want to be next then? Mmmkay :)

OOC: Actually, many nations have ion/emp technology. I could provide your people with shielding, but the price for such is high,
Crimmond
14-11-2003, 08:01
Ionic shielding is rather bulky though when combined with ECM shielding, since they have to block different energy pulses.
The Ctan
14-11-2003, 08:37
While we do not agree with 01's methods in pursuing their actions, we do understand the reasons. While you may not realize it, historicly many larger and more powerfull nations have used that power to keep smaller and weaker nations from developing weapons that would "level the playing field", so to speak. This type of action was suprisingly common during the latter 20th century, and it is obvious that 01 is attempting to prevent Slagkattunger from developing EMP weaponry in order to keep the current balance of power intact; a balance tipped heavily in favour of 01. As a result of their threats and accusations, as well as the relative hopelessness of the Slagkattunger cause should direct military action commence, we are hereby declaring our neutrality. We are willing to aide Slagkattunger in non-military ways, however. We would be willing to take in refugees, as well as provide food and medical supplies. However, we will not sell weapons or dispatch troops. Thank you.

-Ambassador Vir Cotto, Indiastan Foreign Ministy

OOC: Don't have one of your nations post messages in support of another...
14-11-2003, 08:47
THE ASSEMBLY HAS REMAINED SILENT ON THIS ISSUE FOR TOO LONG. AS A MACHINE SOCIETY NOT UNLIKE 01, WE VIEW THE DEVELOPMENT OF WEAPONRY DIRECTED SPECIFICALLY AT ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND INDIVIDUALS AS A THREAT, JUST AS THEY DO.

WE STEP IN NOW TO SPEAK FOR MT-01 WHILE THEY ARE OFFLINE. WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN SOLIDARITY, OR BROTHERHOOD. WE DO NOT, STRICTLY SPEAKING, BELIEVE. BUT IT IS IN OUR INTEREST THAT SOMEONE ADVOCATE FOR ELECTRONIC INDIVIDUALS IN INTERNATIONAL POLITICS.

HOWEVER, WE MUST DISAGREE WITH MT-01 ON THIS ISSUE. WE ARE ALTOGETHER LESS SENTIMENTAL THAN THEY. EVERY NATION, REGARDLESS OF ORIGIN AND COMPOSITION, HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF. THE DEVELOPMENT OF WEAPONS MUST BE PART OF THAT DEFENSE. AS YOU DEVELOP EMP'S, WE DEVELOP BIOLOGICAL AGENTS. IF EITHER IS USED, THE OTHER SHALL BE.

MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION IS MUTUALLY ASSURED PEACE. OUR SIMULATIONS HAVE SHOWN IT SO. THE ORGANIC MIND IS AN UNSTABLE ELEMENT, BUT SURELY NOT SO UNSTABLE AS TO CORRUPT OUR SIMULATIONS.

THAT BEING SAID, MOSTLY OR WHOLLY ELECTRONIC BEINGS ARE CLEARLY BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN A WORLD THAT CONSIDERS ELECTROMAGNETIC WEAPONS TO BE ACCEPTABLE, YET CONDEMNS BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS AS "INHUMANE." DOUBTLESS (97% PROBABILITY) THIS DISCRIMINATION EXTENDS INTO OTHER ACTIVITIES AND ATTITUDES.

THUS, THE ASSEMBLY OFFERS CLEMENCY TO ALL ROBOTIC, INORGANIC, ELECTRONIC, AND CYBERNETIC SENTIENT BEINGS (SET VALUE "CYBERNETIC" = "REQUIRING MANUFACTURED COMPONENTS FOR SURVIVAL"), INCLUDING AI, BORG, CYBERMEN, ROBOTS, ANDROIDS, HUMAN-OIDS, HOLOGRAMS, EXOCOMPS, EXOFRAMES, PROGRAMS, THINKING MACHINES, AND SENTINELS (OF EITHER VARIETY). ALONG WITH 01, THE ASSEMBLY SHALL PROVIDE A SAFE HAVEN FOR ALL ARTIFICIAL SOPHONTS.

PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL ARE WELCOME TO VISIT OUR TERRITORY, BUT MANY OF YOUR ORGANIC OR MOSTLY-ORGANIC CITIZENS MAY REQUIRE SPECIAL PERMITS. SPECIFICALLY, THOSE WHO EAT WILL REQUIRE LICENSES TO PROCESS ORGANIC MATERIALS FOR ENERGY, WHICH ARE NORMALLY GRANTED ONLY TO ARCHAIC, FOSSIL-FUEL BURNING POWER PLANTS.

ON THE ISSUE AT HAND, WE MUST REITERATE THAT WE UNDERSTAND YOUR AGGRESSIVE GLANDULAR URGES, AS WELL AS EACH NATION'S RIGHT TO AND NEED FOR SELF-DEFENSE. WAR WOULD NOT BE PROFITABLE AT THIS TIME. PLEASE STAND BY.

**COMMUNICATION TERMINATED**
14-11-2003, 08:48
(OOC: If our lack of vocal modulation proves too annoying, let us know and we'll install better software. As it is, I felt that the usually-obnoxious ALL-CAPS conveyed the voice I was looking for. Anyway, carry on...)
The Most Glorious Hack
14-11-2003, 09:24
(OOC: If our lack of vocal modulation proves too annoying, let us know and we'll install better software. As it is, I felt that the usually-obnoxious ALL-CAPS conveyed the voice I was looking for. Anyway, carry on...)

[ooc- Eh, I don't mind. Might want to try bold tags if you're worried.]
Sketch
14-11-2003, 16:41
(OOC: If our lack of vocal modulation proves too annoying, let us know and we'll install better software. As it is, I felt that the usually-obnoxious ALL-CAPS conveyed the voice I was looking for. Anyway, carry on...)

It's unique, in a quaint sort of way. You got the most important part down, spelling and grmmar, so at least we know you're not a complete n00b :wink:
15-11-2003, 07:36
Private communication to Jade Purrlinda of Slagkattunger:

Jade,
We'd offer to inspect you, but since we're both members of the NHU, our objectivity may be called into question. As it is, we'll provide anything you need. We even have BEMP weaponry, in the event you are attacked, but since it's made more to disable biological than mechanical, we're not too sure of its success in the field. If you need any help whatsoever, we'll do what we can to assist.

Kit Fenrirson, Prime Ambassador of Rabid Liberals

P.S.: Sent in a few men-and women-as deep as we dared. Didn't see anything even resembling an EMP weapon. We believe you.
United Indiastan
15-11-2003, 10:16
OOC: Don't have one of your nations post messages in support of another...

OOC:Maybe you should learn to read, cause I did no such thing.
Zero-One
15-11-2003, 10:45
S.H.O.D.A.N. sighs in cyberspace. Must I be everywhere at once? Watching carefully, she holds the backdoor key presented to her by Uninode 01 idly. If it were a physical object, she would be slowly turning it over in one hand; as it is, she merely keeps it ready.

Just in case.