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Ambassador Jade Purrlinda
The Free Land of Slagkattungerhttp://www.nationstates.net/images/un_member.gif
Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed.
Email:- Slagkattunger@hotmail.com
Slagkattunger Nation Profile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78165)
My Nations GDP (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Slagkattunger)
Covered by DRI (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83705)

“Here is the design statistics of the Final GRIM design, the final cost will be determined by the manufacture as they may be able to reduce cost for mass production of the GRIM unit.”

Slagkattunger: - 51%
Celeborne: - 40% (unless he sells some off his)
Sakkra: - 1%
Gradenk: - 1%
Cyberutopia: - 1%
Resi Corporation: - 1%
Bobaria: - 1%
Lopikland: - 1%
Wyrmberg: - 1%
Syncomp15: - 1%
Sigma Octavus: - 1%


The shares equal the percentage of the profit the investor’s receive back on sales (After cost's have been taken out) in return for their initial investments. Plus it shows after initial development design control strength, namely any new versions must receive 51% of share votes from investors to be given the go ahead.

Slagkattunger will be open to share buy outs after the initial design is completed.

Giant Robotic Infantry Machine or GRIM for short.

Proto-Type GRIM with pilot
http://users.on.net/killerkoala/grim.JPG

Proto-Type Grim without pilot
http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/apu/rv_img/apu_onsetrp_06.jpg

Giant Robotic Infantry Machine Statistics
Cost to Build for Slagkattunger: - $40 Million per unit.
Height: - 6 meters
Max Speed: - 20 km per hour
Armor: - Nogra - V4 Armour 30 mm all over & 40 mm around the cockpit.
Power Supply: - Lithium-Tritium powered generators with a collapsible solar array, to provide recharging ability for emergencies or stand-by mode.
Weapon Systems
2 ten-barrelled Slagkattungerian 30 mm Gatling-type rotary cannon & cooling system that allows continuous fire of 2,100 rpm.
2 Micro-Missile SAM launchers (1 each side) 3 missiles per launcher
1 Grenade launcher (on left side of torso)
Ammunition Amount
4 ammo bins (2 per side)[list:b41f50aba5] 2 bins of High Explosive Rounds: - 5,250 rounds per bin. 2 bins of Armor Piercing Rounds: - 5,250 rounds per bin.
1 Grenade Ammo Bin (Left side, part of the grenade launcher): - 30 Smoke Rounds[/list:u:b41f50aba5]
Notes
The pilot is in a enclosed armoured cockpit, he/she sits in shock absorbing chair with a pull down harness. The pilot “sees” out by looking at a virtual reality screen that gives 180 degrees of vision of the outside, this is provided by an array of micro cameras around the cockpit. If the screen is inoperative the armor over the cockpit can be raised to allow manual vision of the surroundings. This is not recommended as the bullet proof glass cannot protect the pilot as well as the armor does, but is adequate in emergencies.
An Advance A.I. system is used to monitor the unit status. (Unable to override pilot)
A HUD system which is tied into the A.I. which can highlight targets & other points of interest.
The Armor Piercing Rounds are for tanks & other hard targets, while the HE Rounds are for soft targets such as people, vehicles, supply dumps etc. The pilot can switch between the two types of Rounds. Further more the ammunition is made from advance lightweight materials to reduce weight; please note that the AP rounds function like depleted uranium sabot rounds but do not contain depleted uranium.
Advanced Radar that can monitor ground & air activity with a range of 50 km
Infrared system to pickup heat sources within 10 km of the unit.
Rear facing cameras so the pilot can monitor the rear.
Standard high beam headlight on the head in the middle that can turn in the direction of the pilot gaze.
Air filtration system with 12 hours supply of air for under water/ vacuum use (the use of a space suit is recommended for space operations).
Environmental system to keep the pilot at a comfortable temperature, can be used to reduce the units Infrared signature if pilot can cope with the cold.
Standby mode is where the majority of systems are offline except for communications, Environmental and Air Filtration.

Missile System Information
Each system only carries 3 Micro-Missiles before needing reloading.
Slagkattunger Surface to Air Micro-Missile
http://www.users.on.net/killerkoala/SAMM.JPG
Range:- 10 Kilometres
Missile Speed:- 1645 Kmph
Warhead:- High Explosive
Blast Radius:- 1.2 meters
Tracking System:- Infra Red seeking
Notes:- Main targets are Helicopters, other VTOL's & low flying Aircraft.

The Gradenk Nogra V-4 Material is a specially constructed composite, made out of titanium, interwoven with ceramic, silicon’s and platinum’s. The molecule structure is such that it could withstand a direct nuclear blast (slightly higher than the combined nuclear yield used in WW2 against Japan ).

Nogra - V4 Armour.
- Nuclear, chemical and biological Protection.
- EMP shielding
- light weight ( compared to larger tanks like M1A2 or other powerful variants )
- It can withstand a direct burst (in point blank range ) of up to 160mm Cannons and up to 65 mm machine gun fire.
- Aero-Gel packs to help absorb the impact of such force.

Being sold for the open market by Celeborne at a cost of $50 Million per Unit.

ooc:- Ok Investors may bid for the right to sell these for the open market.

OOC: How many shares is 1% after all? I'm not sure if that was cleared up or not.

OOC: How many shares is 1% after all? I'm not sure if that was cleared up or not.

ooc:- well if there was 1,000,000 shares it would be 1% of that....but since I don't know how many shares to have I said 1% to make it eaiser on me :P

As per your wishes, this is gonig over to the other thread on this subject.

Yes, well, you find the entire project shocking, don't you? For all you haven't shown your "proof" in public....

Moving right along then...

United Indiastan and Neralli , Please take this elsewhere. Thank you.

Well I answered his questions here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2066150#2066150)

What type of bidding are you suggesting. Will this end with all of the contributing nations being able to produce this for themselves, but not sell it ? And will the other nations recieve a portion of the proceeds from the nation that does sell them ?

Let me make this clear: - All investors named below have production rights already, meaning they can build their own GRIM's. BUT they cannot sell it!

Slagkattunger: - 51%
Celeborne: - 40%
Sakkra: - 1%
Gradenk: - 1%
Cyberutopia: - 1%
Resi Corporation: - 1%
Bobaria: - 1%
Lopikland: - 1%
Wyrmberg: - 1%
Syncomp15: - 1%
Sigma Octavus: - 1%

Now the bidding is for the right to sell the GRIM's to other nations basically they post how much it will cost them to build (including a profit for themselves) plus the mark up for the final product.

The mark up (known as profit) will be distributed to all investors by their percentage ie:- I get 51%, Celeborne 40% and the rest 1%

So the successful bidder is the one who offers the investors the biggest profit while keeping cost down (without compermising the final product quality.) And they must be able to sell it or pay penalties.

I am agreeable to this.

I would like to handle the sales.

Celeborne has requested permission to sell these GRIM's, the the majority of the votes agreed too allow this (ooc:-lets see his 40 + my 51 = 91 :D ie majority).

Yup..That's democracy.....


btw: I'm only using this unit as my mech infantry. Now We have our very own Mech units...Crimson blades unit would be relegated as Police Mechs.

this units are much more cooler....and more powerful too!!!


Thanks Slag.

OOC: Not hugely bothered about selling to other nations - quite happy with production rights.

OOC: Its.. so beautiful.

Just so beautiful... :cry:

<OOC: And I thought I was the only with APU technology...>

Yup..That's democracy.....


btw: I'm only using this unit as my mech infantry. Now We have our very own Mech units...Crimson blades unit would be relegated as Police Mechs.

this units are much more cooler....and more powerful too!!!


Thanks Slag.

ooc:- Your welcome.

OOC: Not hugely bothered about selling to other nations - quite happy with production rights.

ooc:- Same here, thats why I agreed to Celeborne selling them.

OOC: Its.. so beautiful.
ooc:- Yep the Matrix has a nice looking design. I just jazzed it up to my liking.

OOC: And I thought I was the only with APU technology

ooc:- Nope it's the in thing now.

Sales thread is up now.

Buy one today!!Clicky here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91939)

I think that you may have grossly overestimated the gun and ammo properties... The seven barreled 30mm gun and ammo bin for 1,100 rounds on the A-10 (the GAU-8 ) is longer than a VW bug!

http://www.cursor.org/images/avenger.jpg

The pictures you show lend themselves much easier to a single-barreled weapon as was the one in the movie. http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/apu/rv_img/apu_onsetrp_13.jpg

The logistics of lifting a weapon as heavy as the GAU-8 (281 kg) and supporting its average 9000 lbs of recoil force with a manipulator arm that fragile looking are questionable to say the least.

I would recommend something more along the lines of the M230 gun system. Single barrel 30mm weapon with 1200 round storage capability. This it the weapon fitted to the front of the AH-64 Apache attack helicopter.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/m230.htm

http://okcac.freeyellow.com/kpsa.jpg

First, thank you for bringing that over here. I do appreciate it. Would you mind removing the post in the other thread ?

Second, you raise some good points. However I don't think the size it really that big of anb issue, as a VW beetle is only about 7 foot long (yeah I have one) and the GRIM is 6 meters tall. You do have a good point on the recoil, I will look into recoil compinsation and see if there is anything we can do about it.

Thanks for your comments.

What you see on the GRIM is the weapon covering, also this is the state of the art Gatling, using advanced lightweight materials we have managed to reduce the weight of these guns. You will also find the arms make great recoil buffers (Plz note that we are using the low 2,100 rpm and not the high 4,200 rpm these guns are capable of).

Good point Slag, also with something as simple as shock absorbers you can bring the recoil down even more.

Please note that the 9,000lb figure is an average. Peak recoil on the GAU-8 can reach 19,000 lbs, and that the output of one of the engines off the A-10 is, convienietly, 9000 lbs of thrust, but whatever. Shock absorbers do not make the recoil just magically disappear. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. The shock abosorbers take the kinetic energy of the recoil and convert it to another form of energy, namely, heat. A normal shockabsorber would be a simple piston in viscous fluid. As the piston compresses the fluid, the cylinder prevents volumetric expansion. Therefore, pressure increases dramatically, and therefore requires a significantly dramatic increase in temperature to balance the energy equation. Now take that 9,000 lbs of force, or less at a lower firing rate, and apply it 2,500 times per minute (or whatever your firing rate is) and you have the makings of a melted shock absorber. This stills leaves ammunition. Using the A-10 as an example again, its 1,100 rounds weigh approximatley 2000 lbs, in the space that a VW bug takes up. You claim to carry 5 times that amount times 2 guns. That's 10 tons of weight, just in ammuntion.

Oops, quick edit here, I see that you are carrying 4 ammo bins of 5,000+ rounds each. Thats approximatley 20 tons of mass, in ammunition alone. And 20 times the volume requirement.

ooc:- I am willing to try and answer questions about the GRIM to the best of my ability.

Shock absorbers do not make the recoil just magically disappear. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. The shock abosorbers take the kinetic energy of the recoil and convert it to another form of energy, namely, heat. A normal shockabsorber would be a simple piston in viscous fluid. As the piston compresses the fluid, the cylinder prevents volumetric expansion. Therefore, pressure increases dramatically, and therefore requires a significantly dramatic increase in temperature to balance the energy equation. Now take that 9,000 lbs of force, or less at a lower firing rate, and apply it 2,500 times per minute (or whatever your firing rate is) and you have the makings of a melted shock absorber. This stills leaves ammunition. Using the A-10 as an example again, its 1,100 rounds weigh approximatley 2000 lbs, in the space that a VW bug takes up. You claim to carry 5 times that amount times 2 guns. That's 10 tons of weight, just in ammuntion.

Oops, quick edit here, I see that you are carrying 4 ammo bins of 5,000+ rounds each. Thats approximatley 20 tons of mass, in ammunition alone.

ooc:- In the notes it says Further more the ammunition is made from advance lightweight materials to reduce weight; please note that the AP rounds function like depleted uranium sabot rounds but do not contain depleted uranium.
the weight is reduced by a lot. (If you think this is bad go & check our competators Vortex Corporation & United Indiastan)

As to the recoil.....the guns are best used in bursts, but there is a cooling system that helps keep the gun cool & help with the recoil absorbers.

that allows continuous fire of 2,100 rpm.


To function like a DU round, you need a dense penetrator, like tungston-carbide. You simply so not get the penetration with less dense materials, unless you increase the muzzle velocity, which in turn requires more propellant (weight and size), and more recoil. There is still the issue of where this ammo is going. 20 VW bugs strapped to your APU makes for quite the immobile fighting platform. So you have already added shock absorbers (which would have to be massive for something like this), and a cooling system for the shock absorbers (also massive, and easily damaged). How much does this thing weigh? What is the structure made of to support this mass? Please note that I am only trying to help you produce a product that is semi-believable here. This is in no way a personal attack.

Is Vortex sending you people ?

Is Vortex sending you people ?

No, we're picking apart your idea on our own ^_^

Ok, lets get this straight. I've complained about your technology and cost issues, Karma here has complained about your main gun and associated weight issues, so how long before you realize that we *might* be right and change something? Eh?

Just a quick question, are you all planning on purchasing any of these or are you just having a bit of an intellectual exercise ?

Two words: Sniper bait

Seriously, protect the pilot.

Two words: Sniper bait

Seriously, protect the pilot.

One word: Prototype.

Seriously, read the specs.

that allows continuous fire of 2,100 rpm.


To function like a DU round, you need a dense penetrator, like tungston-carbide. You simply so not get the penetration with less dense materials, unless you increase the muzzle velocity, which in turn requires more propellant (weight and size), and more recoil. There is still the issue of where this ammo is going. 20 VW bugs strapped to your APU makes for quite the immobile fighting platform. So you have already added shock absorbers (which would have to be massive for something like this), and a cooling system for the shock absorbers (also massive, and easily damaged). How much does this thing weigh? What is the structure made of to support this mass? Please note that I am only trying to help you produce a product that is semi-believable here. This is in no way a personal attack.

ooc:- Please note this is not the technology of today, but of the near future!.......hey a jinggle The technology of the near future, TODAY!

Anyway assume that the smart people of our nations have come up with the spec's necessary to function.
PS it did say that it uses advance lightweight materials to replicate the performance of DU...really does anyone every read what I typed first?

that allows continuous fire of 2,100 rpm.


To function like a DU round, you need a dense penetrator, like tungston-carbide. You simply so not get the penetration with less dense materials, unless you increase the muzzle velocity, which in turn requires more propellant (weight and size), and more recoil. There is still the issue of where this ammo is going. 20 VW bugs strapped to your APU makes for quite the immobile fighting platform. So you have already added shock absorbers (which would have to be massive for something like this), and a cooling system for the shock absorbers (also massive, and easily damaged). How much does this thing weigh? What is the structure made of to support this mass? Please note that I am only trying to help you produce a product that is semi-believable here. This is in no way a personal attack.

ooc:- Please note this is not the technology of today, but of the near future!.......hey a jinggle The technology of the near future, TODAY!

Anyway assume that the smart people of our nations have come up with the spec's necessary to function.
PS it did say that it uses advance lightweight materials to replicate the performance of DU...really does anyone every read what I typed first?

Err, that just doesn't pan out. Violating the laws of thermodynamics and replicating the performance of ammunition which requires being dense [and therefore heavy] to function with ammunition which is inexpicably lighter but still does the same thing isn't near-future stuff.

ATTENTION SHARE HOLDERS

Current sales reports indicate a gross profit of 200,000,000,000.



OOC: since I am not great at math, please figure out how much of this you are entitled to.

200,000,000,000 profit eh.

Slagkattunger: - 51% gets 102,000,000,000
Celeborne: - 40% gets 80,000,000,000
Sakkra: - 1% gets 2,000,000,000
Gradenk: - 1% gets 2,000,000,000
Cyberutopia: - 1% gets 2,000,000,000
Resi Corporation: - 1% gets 2,000,000,000
Bobaria: - 1% gets 2,000,000,000
Lopikland: - 1% gets 2,000,000,000
Wyrmberg: - 1% gets 2,000,000,000
Syncomp15: - 1% gets 2,000,000,000
Sigma Octavus: - 1% gets 2,000,000,000

ooc:- GMC Military Arms I'm not a scientist so how should I know how they did it?

ooc:- GMC Military Arms I'm not a scientist so how should I know how they did it?

The point isn't how they did it, it's that, given what the APU is according to your statements capable of, they couldn't do it. At all.

ooc:- GMC Military Arms I'm not a scientist so how should I know how they did it?

The point isn't how they did it, it's that, given what the APU is according to your statements capable of, they couldn't do it. At all.

ooc:- and the fact that while there are nations using anti gravity, reality means this little bit of fiction isn't allowed? I didn't say it was as heavy as DU I said it functions like DU ie:- same penatrating power.

ooc:- GMC Military Arms I'm not a scientist so how should I know how they did it?

The point isn't how they did it, it's that, given what the APU is according to your statements capable of, they couldn't do it. At all.

ooc:- and the fact that while there are nations using anti gravity, reality means this little bit of fiction isn't allowed? I didn't say it was as heavy as DU I said it functions like DU ie:- same penatrating power.

Yup. And DU works the way it does because it's dense, and therefore heavy. Dense things are heavy per-volume: A given vulme of feathers will weigh a lot less than the same volume of DU, and it's this density that gives DU and tungsten carbide penetrating power. A more lightweight conventional round could never be as effective.

KE = 1/2mv^2

KE being kinetic energy, which is what you're trying to transfer to the target, m is the mass of the projectile, v the velocity. It follows that to increase thwe impact energy you can either increase the mass of the projectile or the velocity at impact, which involves increased charge or weird, hugely expensive stuff like ramjet rounds or magnetic accelerators [neither of which the unit's price reflects].

In addition, DU's armour piercing capabilities have more to do with specific properties of DU itself than density: it burns as it passes through armour, which keeps the tip of the round a sharp point rather than going blunt as most other types of AP rounds do.

Just a quick question, are you all planning on purchasing any of these or are you just having a bit of an intellectual exercise ?

ooc:- GMC MA...are you a scientist :? or just bored :P Lets just say it's molecule structure is such that it keeps it sharp point just long enough for it to penatrate armour, note that I did not say incendry AP rounds..which DU rounds are (Plus I didn't want my units shooting DU around my nation).

If you think my creations are bad check this APU of our competators
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91130
they have longer firing time plus they are faster.

DU rounds dont have anything flammable/chemicals in them. They are simple arrows of dense materials that are meant to deliver a massive amount of pressure to a very small area. Also, what GMC said is just basic physics, no real scientific graduate required.

I am also interested of your systems but i agree with GMC and Karmabaijan that you need to change some things in it to make it more believable. The guns are a big problem. They are too damn big, have too much recoil, weigh too damn much and need too damn much ammo to work for any usefull time. In essence, they would be practically unusable in a mech like this. A 30mm chaingun on the other hand would be perfect. It would fit perfectly to the APU, it doesnt weigh too much, it isnt too large, it doesnt eat up insane amounts of ammo and still it has massive amounts of firepower.

A 30mm chaingun....

...Is essentially what's mounted on the GRIM already. Chaingun=rotary MG/cannon=what's in the specs. Get your facts straight first. Where do these people come from?

ooc:- Did you see our opposition equipment? just asking, no I will not alter the statistic just because people want it more "real" this is free form RP not a reality show.

PS if I sound rude it's because my nation is being threaten by 01, and I'm a little stressed as I had no idea I was a threat to anyone.

A 30mm chaingun....

...Is essentially what's mounted on the GRIM already. Chaingun=rotary MG/cannon=what's in the specs. Get your facts straight first. Where do these people come from?

I think he meant a non-rotary single barelled belt-fed 30mm cannon, like the AH-64's chin mount.

ooc:- You do know the rotary bit is just to prevent the gun barrels from over heating right? it doesn't increase firepower.

ooc:- You do know the rotary bit is just to prevent the gun barrels from over heating right? it doesn't increase firepower. Umm...Actually, the the point of a rotary gun as per Col. Gatling's original design was to prevent overheating during very high rates of fire; in, say, a gun with four barrels firing at 4,000 rpm, each barrel only fires 1,000 rounds and furthermore spends 3/4 or the time cooling down. However, it also requires a large amount of additional equipment: modern rotary guns are either electrically powered ['Painless' in Predator ran off thirty pounds of truck batteries] or hydraulically powered, like the GAU-8, which runs off a damn great compresser.

ooc:- GMC MA could you please go to that link I posted and have a look at what they got, as far as I'm concern I should be given some slack for trying to do a detail Statistic of my unit. They give very little about their unit & I would love to see what they do in response to your questions.

That said can we please stop trying to make this "todays" technology :?:

I would still like to know where all of these rounds are going.

I would still like to know where all of these rounds are going.

ooc:- At the enemy :P

ooc:- Why are you so intent on working out the bugs in the GRIM (considering that it was design by an novice)? I am a bit peeved that the GRIM is being singled out over our competators APU.

A 30mm chaingun....

...Is essentially what's mounted on the GRIM already. Chaingun=rotary MG/cannon=what's in the specs. Get your facts straight first. Where do these people come from?

"A gun that fies by having its bolt operated by a chain. Despite years of misuse (started by id game's Doom) it is always a single barrel gun.

The M2A2 Bradley IFV uses a 25mm chaingun"

From urbandictionary.com, before i go and make suggestions, i do get my facts straight :roll: A chaingun is single-barrel weapon, gatling guns and miniguns are multi-barreled weapons.

2 trillion in profit already. Sweetness. I'm going to a percentage of that into building my own GRIM units. They are the perfect back-up for my WBT-1.

We can modify the ones that we have, right?

If we can modify the designs, you can bet your bippy that we're gonna make our own version. More of a support unit for our Horde Suits. Already working on the graphic. It's gonna be soooweeeeet!

Of course you can...all investors have the blueprints so it will be easy for them to do so....just let Celeborne know so he can decide whether or not to release a similar version for sale (and make more money for us :P )

ooc:- GMC Military Arms I'm not a scientist so how should I know how they did it?

The point isn't how they did it, it's that, given what the APU is according to your statements capable of, they couldn't do it. At all.

ooc:- and the fact that while there are nations using anti gravity, reality means this little bit of fiction isn't allowed? I didn't say it was as heavy as DU I said it functions like DU ie:- same penatrating power.

Yup. And DU works the way it does because it's dense, and therefore heavy. Dense things are heavy per-volume: A given vulme of feathers will weigh a lot less than the same volume of DU, and it's this density that gives DU and tungsten carbide penetrating power. A more lightweight conventional round could never be as effective.

KE = 1/2mv^2

KE being kinetic energy, which is what you're trying to transfer to the target, m is the mass of the projectile, v the velocity. It follows that to increase thwe impact energy you can either increase the mass of the projectile or the velocity at impact, which involves increased charge or weird, hugely expensive stuff like ramjet rounds or magnetic accelerators [neither of which the unit's price reflects].

In addition, DU's armour piercing capabilities have more to do with specific properties of DU itself than density: it burns as it passes through armour, which keeps the tip of the round a sharp point rather than going blunt as most other types of AP rounds do.

Since I see that someone has already pointed this factoid out, I won't bother formulating an argument.

I don't thing GMC is just trying to bust your balls, he's just pointing out the fact that you misunderstood the basic principle of how DU rounds work.

FYI, DU rounds are not incendiary rounds. They catch fire and burn because their mass is so great and thus create large amounts of heat energy upon impact with an armored target.

Thusly, light weight rounds would never accomplish what heavy DU rounds do. Which is why I specifically suggested gaussian based weaponry in the first place............<insert "I told you so"> :P :wink:

ooc:- Lets just say it's molecule structure is such that it keeps it sharp point just long enough for it to penatrate armour.
If you think my creations are bad check this APU of our competators
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91130
they have longer firing time plus they are faster.

Ok sketch they do it by holding their point long enough..what I ment in the original post is they have a similar penatrating ability to DU so people would know whether it would penatrate their armor or not.

If it makes you feel any better Slagkattunger, you're being picked on for the mere reason that you are trying to be realistic. You provide way too many details that can be nit picked by military know it all freaks like me. Notice the swauve nature of your competitors, nearly no details whatsoever......no powerplant description, no armor specifics {other than a highly ambiguous thickness, which could mean anything), a highly suspect gun statistic, the list goes on. People who don't want to be bothered by "realism" would rather that someone make a pretty picture and call it leet.

But don't get me wrong. I would rather buy from someone like you who has taken the time to at least do some research on their developement. Instead of just finding a pretty picture and applying arbitrary stats. So kudos to you for trying.

Still not buying tho, I have my own mecha with ambiguous stats...... :wink:

Thanks for clearing that up Sketch......just so long as people realise that I do try to cut down the fiction as much as possible, but I do have to use some fiction to make a cool unit to RP with. I don't want to use a tank in a RP fight, I want to use GRIM a walking 6 meter tall combat machine...dishing out death never looked so good <===sorry bit of an AD there :P

Of course you can...all investors have the blueprints so it will be easy for them to do so....just let Celeborne know so he can decide whether or not to release a similar version for sale (and make more money for us :P )

Then we're on it. And, yes, Celeborne can sell it. CEO Kargaah has his claws full with wheeling and dealing at the moment, so a third-party seller is not a bad idea. Count on efficient whole-sale destruction!

Of course you can...all investors have the blueprints so it will be easy for them to do so....just let Celeborne know so he can decide whether or not to release a similar version for sale (and make more money for us :P )

Then we're on it. And, yes, Celeborne can sell it. CEO Kargaah has his claws full with wheeling and dealing at the moment, so a third-party seller is not a bad idea. Count on efficient whole-sale destruction!

Send it along and I will set my marketing whizzkids to work.

2 trillion in profit already. Sweetness. I'm going to a percentage of that into building my own GRIM units. They are the perfect back-up for my WBT-1.

We can modify the ones that we have, right?

2 billion.

Have fun with the modifications !!

ATTENTION SHARE HOLDERS

Current sales reports indicate a gross profit of 209,270,000,000 total. This includes all previous sales.



Please do the magic math thing Slagkattunger.

(Yeah, I was really tired. Then, million, billion, trillion, they all looked the same.)

209,270,000,000 total. This includes all previous sales.

Slagkattunger: - 51% gets 106,727,700,000
Celeborne: - 40% gets 83,708,000,000
Sakkra: - 1% gets 2,092,700,000
Gradenk: - 1% gets 2,092,700,000
Cyberutopia: - 1% gets 2,092,700,000
Resi Corporation: - 1% gets 2,092,700,000
Bobaria: - 1% gets 2,092,700,000
Lopikland: - 1% gets 2,092,700,000
Wyrmberg: - 1% gets 2,092,700,000
Syncomp15: - 1% gets 2,092,700,000
Sigma Octavus: - 1% gets 2,092,700,000

Celeborne next time just pass on the new profit, don't add it to the old please.

*Bam*


A .50 caliber sniper rifle is heard, and the pilot of this expensive beast is shot dead, and the mech thing is captured.



What a vulnerable machine.

*Bam*


A .50 caliber sniper rifle is heard, and the pilot of this expensive beast is shot dead, and the mech thing is captured.



What a vulnerable machine.

What really happened:-

"Dave there is a heat source here" The AI highlights a faint red glow.

"Ah thanks Hal didn't see that, now what is that doing there?"

*Bam*
*Ping*
"Holy Sh*t! he fired at us! Activating HE rounds"

The GRIM's arm's swing up and connect to the HE feed then swing down primed to fire.

*BAM*
*PING*
"looks like he is trying to kill you Dave"
"You Think?" Dave responds sarcasticly as he lines up the heat source and squeezes a short burst off. The sniper and his hidey hole is quickly torn to shreads, the GRIM continues it patrol with 2 small dents in its armor over where the sniper had thought the pilot would be.

I don't think so Kharra, read the stats again.

Dave and Hal? You should've gone with Bob and Joe!

We have modified an APU shell with the funds from this venture. Celeborne, if you would check your messages.....




Thank yew.

Dave and Hal? You should've gone with Bob and Joe!

ooc:- Why bob & joe? Hal is an AI (as in 2001 a space...).

Dave and Hal? You should've gone with Bob and Joe!

ooc:- Why bob & joe? Hal is an AI (as in 2001 a space...).

And yet you don't mention the Dave is also from 2001

Dave and Hal? You should've gone with Bob and Joe!

ooc:- Why bob & joe? Hal is an AI (as in 2001 a space...).

And yet you don't mention the Dave is also from 2001

Good morning Dave
Good morning Hal
........... :wink:

(OOC: Forget not reading the stats, when did people stop reading what's gone before? "Sniper bait" was covered back on the second page, for crying out loud....)

ooc:- Why are you so intent on working out the bugs in the GRIM (considering that it was design by an novice)? I am a bit peeved that the GRIM is being singled out over our competators APU.

Actually, the APU itself is a fairly impractical design that only really works if your opponent subscribes to the Serious Sam school of military tactics. The fact it, a bipedal tank armed with direct fire weaponry only is very, very vulnerable to long-range weapons, especially artillery and conventional tank shells [which these days can hit targets 100 miles away]. Since the machines in The Matrix are incredibly stupid this isn't really an issue, but a squadron of tanks vs a squadron of APUs at long range equals a squadron of dead APUs.

The APU design 'as is' reflects it's role in the film, which is to stomp about firing at flying things. Trouble is when things like infantry start showing up. With four large ammo bins to the rear of the unit, right where it can't fire, a single well-placed grenade from a guy with decent thermal gear on would kill the thing pretty easily [split it clean in half, to be exact]/ It doesn't help that it's a large, slow and unstealthy platform.

The biggest problem for walkers is ground pressure, though; on two legs, a unit with this kind of loadout would have severe problems with unprepared ground or bridges, even at low speed. Obviously in addition there's suspension and drivetrain problems [pretty much a given, especially in earlier models you produce], high maintainance costs and poor performance in extreme weather conditions. That's just the way near-future walkers are.

You really, really need to ditch those rotaries and go for single barrels; by doing so you'd yank a whole load of useless tonnage off the thing, increasing the speed and making it more of a useful weapon and less of a complete liability.

OOC: A 'new level' of GRIM tech? Didn't you just put out the first level on Monday? Awful fast research cycle, don't you think?

~Siri

Yes, it might be considered such, except that there are several nations that worked on the basic design, and then some of those worked off the base design to make new models.

I also think that we are subscibing to the 1 RL day=1 NS year timeframe.

I am just the salesman for the group.

Personally, I critiqued (as TRSN) to help you make a better, more accuracte machine. In my taste, all mechs are topheavy, overexposed, and overmachinated. But hey, to each his own. If I went with mechs, it wouldn be a smaller scale unit, like the APU, but probably even smaller, more along the lines of powered armor.

OOC: A 'new level' of GRIM tech? Didn't you just put out the first level on Monday? Awful fast research cycle, don't you think?

~SiriI also think that we are subscibing to the 1 RL day=1 NS year timeframe.

DAY = YEAR IS EVIL. GRAAAGHARRGH.

OOC: A 'new level' of GRIM tech? Didn't you just put out the first level on Monday? Awful fast research cycle, don't you think?

~SiriI also think that we are subscibing to the 1 RL day=1 NS year timeframe.

DAY = YEAR IS EVIL. GRAAAGHARRGH.

Really ? What would you suggest as a better way to handle time in NS ?

(honest question, no sarcasm.)

OOC: A 'new level' of GRIM tech? Didn't you just put out the first level on Monday? Awful fast research cycle, don't you think?

~SiriI also think that we are subscibing to the 1 RL day=1 NS year timeframe.

DAY = YEAR IS EVIL. GRAAAGHARRGH.

Really ? What would you suggest as a better way to handle time in NS ?

(honest question, no sarcasm.)

I find day = week or day = month works better, since it means that charcters last way longer and everything doesn't fly by at ludicrous speed.

['Not...Ludicrous speed?']

Well that makes sense...May have to reconsider the way I do time.

I use 1 rl day = 1 year except when I RP then I slow it down to fit...call the time on nationstate "story time" ie what ever helps tell the story :)

Actually, the APU itself is a fairly impractical design that only really works if your opponent subscribes to the Serious Sam school of military tactics. The fact it, a bipedal tank armed with direct fire weaponry only is very, very vulnerable to long-range weapons, especially artillery and conventional tank shells [which these days can hit targets 100 miles away]. Since the machines in The Matrix are incredibly stupid this isn't really an issue, but a squadron of tanks vs a squadron of APUs at long range equals a squadron of dead APUs
These are designed to work best in restricted areas like forests, cities, mountains or tunnels. Here long range weapon fire is ristricted to artillery or aircraft, which most nations counter with other weapons. The GRIM has anti air missiles so attacking it effectively from the air becomes risky.

The APU design 'as is' reflects it's role in the film, which is to stomp about firing at flying things. Trouble is when things like infantry start showing up. With four large ammo bins to the rear of the unit, right where it can't fire, a single well-placed grenade from a guy with decent thermal gear on would kill the thing pretty easily [split it clean in half, to be exact]/ It doesn't help that it's a large, slow and unstealthy platform.
I don't like the movie one either (I mean an exposed pilot for godsake), those ammo bins are not exposed..plus I have a rear camera & A.I (who does "watches" it to bring any suspicious things to the pilot attention.) so if they get close enoungh (hard but not impossible) they cannot take it out with 1 grenade. And while it can move at 20 km per hour (I've driven along at this speed it's quite fast, faster than most people can walk & no one makes soldiers run all the time.) it can turn quite fast (Nearly as fast as you could turn) so a sneaking soldier will find one of the arms aimed at him (Brown short times!).

The biggest problem for walkers is ground pressure, though; on two legs, a unit with this kind of loadout would have severe problems with unprepared ground or bridges, even at low speed. Obviously in addition there's suspension and drivetrain problems [pretty much a given, especially in earlier models you produce], high maintainance costs and poor performance in extreme weather conditions. That's just the way near-future walkers are.
Thats assuming that we are using todays technology (Stop that! it's not todays tech yet I keep telling you.) if this thing works then they must have over come the problems with suspension etc. As to unprepared ground or bridges..even tanks have this problem...fortunately these units can walk accross rivers (Edit:- Not like Jesus you fool!). They leave footprints yes but they don't tear up the terrain like tanks. As to maintainance..well any advance tech needs maintainance but the people who use it are up to it.

You really, really need to ditch those rotaries and go for single barrels; by doing so you'd yank a whole load of useless tonnage off the thing, increasing the speed and making it more of a useful weapon and less of a complete liability.
It's slow yes...but then it's not a super weapon is it, those guns don't add that much weight as I said eairlier..advance materials make them light.

Actually, a walker has worse problems with it's weight on unprepared ground because it's ground pressure is higher.

Ground pressure is measure in pounds per square inch [imperial] or newtons per square centimetre [metric] and is a measure of how much force a vehicle exerts on the area below it. A twenty-ton vehicle with tracks obviously has a larger area in contact with the ground than a walker of the same mass standing on two feet. This means the walker does more damage as it moves and also that it sinks further into the ground than a tank of equal mass would.

Actually, I'm not assuming today's technology, I'm assuming near future based on the idea it won't be perfect when these things start coming out, assuming they do. You'll have early teething problems, same with every weapon system, and the principle area of stress on a bipedal platform is the suspension and drive train.

And also, with no hands it's a little vulnerable to anyone digging pit traps, since it'd need a support team to dig it out.

And also, with no hands it's a little vulnerable to anyone digging pit traps, since it'd need a support team to dig it out.

not totally helpless, the guns would be a bit clogged.....but I would like to see someone try that in my rainforest (All those nasty plants that inhabit the ground level of the forests.....pity I haven't got around to posting that info in my nation background yet :twisted: ), remember these are DEFENSIVE units not attacking units. And you need time to dig those traps (and if you don't do a good job the AI might pick the trap up).

The Empire of Crimmond expresses it's interest in becoming a shareholder and funder of the GRIM development projects. The units seem perfect for patrol work in major cities, something that is sorely needed in the Empire.

(DOGA L2 is needed to add textures, right?)

L2 for basic textures. L3 for more advanced stuff.

New share percentage standings

Slagkattunger: - 50%
Celeborne: - 40%
Sakkra: - 1%
Gradenk: - 1%
Cyberutopia: - 1%
Resi Corporation: - 1%
Bobaria: - 1%
Lopikland: - 1%
Wyrmberg: - 1%
Syncomp15: - 1%
Sigma Octavus: - 1%
Crimmond: - 1%

Crimmond please confirm delivery of ammount agreed apond for the share.

Sakkra in light of your continual efforts to improve the GRIM I offer you 10 shares for $1 Billion, this would give you 11% & the tie breaker position on any votes.

The money has been moved to the designated accounts and has been confirmed.

OOC: *rubs hands together at the thought of redoing the weapons and powerplant stats with my tech* Heh heh.

I accept your offer! The funds have been transferred to your accounts via secure wired deposit.

New share percentage standings

Slagkattunger: - 40%
Celeborne: - 40%
Sakkra: - 11%
Gradenk: - 1%
Cyberutopia: - 1%
Resi Corporation: - 1%
Bobaria: - 1%
Lopikland: - 1%
Wyrmberg: - 1%
Syncomp15: - 1%
Sigma Octavus: - 1%
Crimmond: - 1%

Sakkra percentage share has been increased.

Celeborne, would you consider allowing Ancient Terra to purchase production rights? Although we're not interested in selling these on the open market, we have been very impressed with the G.R.I.M's performance. We also plan on adding a couple of modifications to the APU, including up-gunning it to a "heavy-support" variant, or outfitting it with missile racks. Any advancements we make in this realm will of course be shared with you and Slagkattunger.

We have taken the designs that we have recieved and have modified it to fit our needs, all the weapons have been changed to ones of Crimmond make, the sensors and armor also to Crimmond make and the AI removed.

We have basicly redesigned it to fit our needs, as we do with all things we get production rights for(and even some we don't).

Celeborne, would you consider allowing Ancient Terra to purchase production rights? Although we're not interested in selling these on the open market, we have been very impressed with the G.R.I.M's performance. We also plan on adding a couple of modifications to the APU, including up-gunning it to a "heavy-support" variant, or outfitting it with missile racks. Any advancements we make in this realm will of course be shared with you and Slagkattunger.

Yes I will sell you one of my shares for 10 million.

Thank you! We accept.

The 10 million has been wired, and improvements to the weaponry has already begun. Once again, thank you for giving us this opportunity.

~Ancient Terra~

SHAREHOLDER INFORMATION

Sales have slipped a little over the weekend. Latest profit numbers are an even 1 billion.

>Slagkattunger, do your math magic.

New share percentage standings

Slagkattunger: - 40%
Celeborne: - 39%
Sakkra: - 11%
Gradenk: - 1%
Cyberutopia: - 1%
Resi Corporation: - 1%
Bobaria: - 1%
Lopikland: - 1%
Wyrmberg: - 1%
Syncomp15: - 1%
Sigma Octavus: - 1%
Crimmond: - 1%
Ancient and Holy Terra: - 1 %

Income of $1,000,000,000 breaks down to:-

Slagkattunger: - $400,000,000
Celeborne: - $390,000,000
Sakkra: - $110,000,000
Gradenk: - $10,000,000
Cyberutopia: - $10,000,000
Resi Corporation: - $10,000,000
Bobaria: - $10,000,000
Lopikland: - $10,000,000
Wyrmberg: - $10,000,000
Syncomp15: - $10,000,000
Sigma Octavus: - $10,000,000
Crimmond: - $10,000,000
Ancient and Holy Terra: - $10,000,000

Ancient and Holy Terra it is reconmended that you pass on your share of the money to Celeborne as part of the transfer of the share to your nation. (meaning that you will have paid $20 million).

Is it possible still for me to buy shares?

I'll sell you one of mine.....but it will cost $50 million.

Shareholders with more than 1 share are asked to take note of the new price recomended for your shares!

I'll take it!

Share will be transfered upon confirmation of money transfer.

*Wired*

New share percentage standings

Slagkattunger: - 39%
Celeborne: - 39%
Sakkra: - 11%
Gradenk: - 1%
Cyberutopia: - 1%
Resi Corporation: - 1%
Bobaria: - 1%
Lopikland: - 1%
Wyrmberg: - 1%
Syncomp15: - 1%
Sigma Octavus: - 1%
Crimmond: - 1%
Ancient and Holy Terra: - 1%
The Imperial Navy: - 1%

yay!

Add another 1.5 billion to the profit list !

$1,500,000,000 profit, share holders recieve: -

Slagkattunger: - $585,000,000
Celeborne: - $585,000,000
Sakkra: - $165,000,000
Gradenk: - $15,000,000
Cyberutopia: - $15,000,000
Resi Corporation: - $15,000,000
Bobaria: - $15,000,000
Lopikland: - $15,000,000
Wyrmberg: - $15,000,000
Syncomp15: - $15,000,000
Sigma Octavus: - $15,000,000
Crimmond: - $15,000,000
Ancient and Holy Terra: - $15,000,000
The Imperial Navy: - $15,000,000

We will cede our profit from this sale, and the previous one, to Celeborne as thanks for selling us a share in this venture. 25 million has been wired.

Thank you.