Knootoss establishes Christian colony on Skargarden Island [Archive]

Knootoss

10-11-2003, 21:10

From the newspaper Trouw

Mixed results in negotiations with Skargarden

SKARGARDEN – Knootian officials today concluded another round of negotiations with the Skargardian government. It was announced that Skargarden, contrary to expatiations, would not join the South Atlantic Treaty Organisation but it will retain its newly signed mutual military alliance. The Knootian government also pledged its commitment to a peaceful solution to the troubles between Skargarden and Svea Riga, calling for a non-aggression pact to be signed. However the government did insist that Skargardian interests should not be ignored in order to attain peace and they called for “balanced and equitable solutions.” In this round of negotiations a deal around the sale of an island off the Skargardian coast to the Dutch Democratic Republic was also done.

It is suggested that strong pressure from other anticapitalist Aperinian governments gave their government cold feet to join SATO. State-secretary of foreign affairs Galadriël Táralóm however insisted that, given this pressure, the results should be deemed a success. She dismissed the stop on building a Knootian naval base inside Skargardian territory as “a minor setback. This base was there only for the protection of Skargardian interests, and if they deem it unwanted this is their choice.”

The sale of the Skargardian Island to Knootoss is hailed in as a success. The island will be renamed to “Nieuw-Nederland” and will primarily function as a trading settlement. Several corporations in conjunction with the government are investing several billions of Euros in the island by establishing a seaport and a multi-use airfield/airbase. The settlement, under the Knootian flag, is expected to significantly boost trade with Skargarden in the longer term. Most importantly however, it is expected to solve the colonial question, which has been the source of heated political debate. More on this on [page 5].

A Knootian military garrison will also be established to defend the island against potential belligerents. The ministry of Defence refused to comment on the size or complement of this ‘garrison’ but acknowledged that they would be making use of the islands naval and air facilities.

Christian communities rejoice as promised new home comes

KNOOTCAP- Christian communities announced they were very pleased when the deal between Knootian and Skargardian governments confirming the purchase of the island was signed. The new island under the Knootian flag will finally provide an equitable, peaceful solution to the troubles that had been plaguing their ‘holy mission’. The communities desire to leave started in the wake of the Shadow war between the Dominion an SATO, during which parts of Knootoss mainland were ravaged. But the root for the feelings lie deeper, entrenched in Knootian culture, which is almost completely secularised. This alienated those who still practiced their religion in tightly knit communities.

While the island is not part of mainland Aperin a community spokesman deemed the location “Acceptable, given the circumstances. Even the church must be realistic at times.” The Nieuw-Nederland colony will have to share the island with several government facilities, but the community spokesman said that they had been ensured great independence in their actions, as well as funding for polders should they need more room.

The first colony ship, the Reinland, set sail for Aperin immediately following the announcement and it is expected to reach the island very soon. The first Knootian military forces have already been transferred from the Northern Skargarden mainland to begin building it up. A taskforce led by the battleship KDF Zhakarov has been detached from war games observations to temporarily protect the island given the high international tensions.

OOC:
It’s the island just to the right of the “k” in Skargarden on the Aperin map. The one closest to the mainland.

10-11-2003, 21:22

From the newspaper Telegraaf

Vortex Corporation invests in Skargarden

Uthar - After a succesful and friendly round of negotiations with Knootian government officials and representatives of several other large Corporations, a new project fot the Vortex Corporation has been announced this morning. The Vortex Corporation will be an active invester in the Nieuw Nederland colony, soon to be founded off the Skargarden coast.

The Nieuw Nederland Colony, which will become both a haven for Knootian christians and a trade center, is seen as an excellent opportunity to invest excess funds in. The Vortex Corporation recognizes that investing in this colony will strenghten the ties with Knootoss, something considered very desirable by Council officials. Also, the Corporation sees great possibilities in opening up trade with Skargarden through the new colony, as well as gaining a presence in the Aperin continent.

Due to the heavy socialist / communist nature of Aperin, Nieuw Nederland will be one of the few locations in Aperin where TVC will be active. Council members have already pledge a multi-billion dollar investment package for the Colony, and have ordered studies to investigate possible profit-centers in transportation, storage and distribution.

One unexpected supporter for this new project was Catholic Cardinal Robert Aegeri, head of the Utharian branche of the Church. Stating that he saw this as an excellent opportunity to aid a fellow christian community, he immediately offered the Knootian Christians to finance a large church on the new Knootian territory.

Tanah Burung

10-11-2003, 21:23

Valinon

10-11-2003, 21:24

<MARK>

Athamasha

10-11-2003, 21:28

Uh. Which map? Link please?

Knootoss

10-11-2003, 21:35

ooc: is Nieuw Nederland an independent country, or a colony of Knootoss?

Is the island already inhabited?

Apologies if these questions are answered elsewhere, but there's a lot fo threads to read on all of this! :wink:

OOC: Good question. It falls under Knootian authority, like an embassy, so it is basically Knootian territory yes. And mind you this is a perfectly legal deal signed with the Skargardian government. In fact, I hope this will diffuse tensions after all the booing and hising over Knootian military bases being built in Skargardian territory and the colonies.

This also means X can have her Aperin map partly greyed out again btw if she wants. Am I an OOC nice guy now? Any answer beginning with "Yes" will be acceptable. :mrgreen:

Knootoss

10-11-2003, 21:58

OOC:
It’s the island just to the right of the “k” in Skargarden on the Aperin map. The one closest to the mainland.

Uh. Which map? Link please?

Link to the map:

http://www.drnightshade.org.uk/images/aperinmap.jpg

Tarasovka

10-11-2003, 22:02

Extract from the Vigvar Daily

VerTech to invest into the Knootian island.

Vigvar - After a successfull negotiation with Knootian officials, a new contract with VerTech has been agreed upon.
Billions of Euros are expected to be poured into the newly founded Colony as tensions between CACE and SATO reach their apogee. Indeed, the Colony is regarded as a compromise to end the current tensions, with CACE expressing serious concerns about any possible Knootian bases in Skargarden.

Indeed, the Taraskovyan mega giant of the technological, military and construction market is to invest an undisclosed amount of money into the Nieuw-Nederland colony.
It is unclear as to what will be the real activity of VerTech in this territory, but there are currently talks with Vortex Corporations on certain subjects.
Namely there aer talks about hightech docking facilities, for both naval and air craft.

The CEO of VerTech has made a comment concerning this situation, noting its high profit capability. The investement of VerTech, which is a governement controlled mega corporation is also deemed as good for the improving relations between the Grand Duchy and the Democratic Republic.

OOC: No time to make a fuller statement.

Seocc

10-11-2003, 22:17

ooc: i'll beleive it when i see Skargarden RP handing over the island, not you telling us he did. given your recent RP indiscretions you're not exactly reliable any more.

Knootoss

10-11-2003, 22:20

OOC: we discussed it over MSN. I asked him if the post was okay and he approved it so f*ck off.

Tarasovka

10-11-2003, 22:21

OOC: we discussed it over MSN. I asked him if the post was okay and he approved it so f*ck off.

OOC: http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev2/files/Mishgan/Approved.gif

Seocc

10-11-2003, 22:28

OOC: we discussed it over MSN. I asked him if the post was okay and he approved it so f*ck off.

ooc: we'll see. all i'm saying is i'll believe it when Skar gets on here himself. no reason to get so angry K.

Tanah Burung

10-11-2003, 23:30

Is this an inhabited island?

Xikuang

10-11-2003, 23:31

Cross posted from here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2060066#2060066):

Wait just a minute here. This is very unfair. This has yet to be finished, it is in the nebulous past and very much neglected though not by me, and bear in mind that you are not the only person talking to Skargarden. That deal is far from agreed as far as I, or, indeed, Skargarden knows. Here'ss something you say quite a lot, so I hope you'll accept it from me: there'ss quite a lot going on, so make no assumptions, and please, do not jump the gun on this one. We won't accept this as a de facto action before we are completely assured by Skargarden that it's happened, and we have not, so please retract that post for now. I will ignore it until Skargarden has had a chance to comment, IC, on the forums, not in some closed chat room.

Ruhr

10-11-2003, 23:32

*Tag* for future reference.

-Ruhrian DIA Agent

Athamasha

10-11-2003, 23:36

Cool map. What utility did you use?

Free Socialism

10-11-2003, 23:42

Xikuang made that map, you'd better ask her, she's our MAP GOD! :)

Xikuang

10-11-2003, 23:59

Xikuang made that map, you'd better ask her, she's our MAP GOD! :)

Straight up, and there will be no alterations to it regarding colonies on that island until I have heard from Skargarde, IC, in the forums, that there is.

Celdonia

11-11-2003, 00:34

OOC: If Sargarden posts that he's invited them in then maybe we have to say "fair enough". If not, then I'm ignoring this whole thing.

Xikuang

11-11-2003, 00:40

That's a big if. I have petitioned the CACE, as this is, in my opinion, a tremendous abuse. I have contacted Skargarden, and until I am satisfied that they are satisfied, this colony does not exist as far as I am concerned.

Most CACE forums are open. All are welcome to read my appeal. (http://invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?showtopic=491) You are reminded that only CACE members and those invited to post are allowed to do so. No non-CACE member is invited to post. Offending posts will be deleted on sight and without warning. You may post your thoughts here or in the Diplomatic Lounge.

Next Day Edit:

If Skargarden wishes to post to the CACE Coalition Body, I wish formally to invite them to do so.

Skargarden

11-11-2003, 18:04

Statement from the parliament in Skargarden

”Dear allies, friends and nations worldwide, the last couple of hours me and my ministers have been in meetings concerning the huge amount of telegrams regarding the Knootoss purchase of an island west to our coast”
And I must say, not in a million years did I think that so much ‘kind’ words so much “propaganda” existed in the world as I know now. Both sides have claimed the other one is wrong, and in the shadow of the so called war-games where my nation is involved my name has come up in several occasions without me confirming or commenting on the statements.
I’m quite disappointed with both sides of the issue, they have both deceived and lured each other. Even though the SATO side gave me a quite a good agreement for me to sign the CACE side gave me one that’s even better, a fair and continued peace treaty with our old archenemy Svea Riga one treaty the SATO could never give me.
But what CACE has to understand is that Skargarden already had some obligations towards SATO and especially Knootoss. But several CACE nations contacted me and used more of their well written words to convince me NOT to let Knootoss build an army base, NOT to join the SATO, NOT to support any actions taken by the SATO.
I fulfilled everything they asked for now, still they got to understand that sacrifices comes to a price. I declined everything SATO and Knootoss so willingly wanted me to sign just to make sure the peace treaty with Svea Riga would go through and that Aperin would remain stabile.

But here we are CACE urging for more sacrifices from my side, and how badly I want that peace treaty I can’t give up everything I’m offered for it, I’m a capitalist and we care for one thing and one thing only; money, isn’t that right? Well someone got to live up to that, so when Knootoss offered me a considerable amount of money (for a small island that would house Christian settlers and a airport carrying goods) I had to act like the capitalist I am and accept that deal and this would be over.

But since I’m speaking in front of you leader of the parliament and the world today obviously it isn’t over yet. CACE wants me to abandon my plans for selling Knootoss the island and letting him establish a ‘fortress’ in Aperin. In clearly says in the contract that the island will be used as:
1. A settlement for Christians.
2. House a harbor and airport used as a trading depot between Skargarden and Knootoss.

That deal has already whatever the CACE likes it or not been accepted, and it will take several sacrifices from CACE side for me to abandon the contract”

"So I'm giving both parties a second chance to pull out a treaty wich would give me the most of it, that explains what you really want. Unfair?, maybe, mean? probably, but you've forced me to it"

President Sedin Krak wipes his forehead, puts down the documents and walks towards his seat.

OOC:So this is what I want being the evil capitalist I am.

1:A document from both sides TG to me, it will be a maximum of 1 A4 long describing what you offer me and why I should accept that. Use the room in the TG carefully.

2:You will not be able to look at eachothers TG or flame the other party, anything OOC in the document will be ignored.

3: The TG must be marked carefully to avoid any funny business.

4:There is no 4

#Edit: Any other TG sent to me won't affect the final answer from me, only the one that clearly states it's THAT TG will.

Xikuang

11-11-2003, 18:12

ooc: I must be brief; I should be out the door in ten minutes: I understand from this that the deal for the island has been accepted but the transaction has not actually taken place; is this correct?

I'm going offline now and I won't be on again until tomorrow, but I will give this proper thought. Do please give us a wee while to come up with our treaty.

11-11-2003, 18:34

OOC: Skargarden, you sly bastard :D I'm starting to actually like this RP more and more. Props to ya.

IC:

Aftre the document had been distributed to the proper authorities, several experts were immediatelly assigned to draw up a suiting offer for Skargarden. With SATO being richer, more powerful, and better armed, as well as ideologically matching to Skargarden, there was plenty of common ground to start with. But the problem was, that they had to beat an unknown proposal of CACE. In many an office, politicians and diplomats could be seen working hard on the situation, with slight smiles on their faces, glad to be posted with an interesting challenge such as this one.

Seocc

11-11-2003, 18:59

TVC: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2069559#2069559

Knootoss

12-11-2003, 00:35

OOC:
Skargarden: I TGed you. It should fit on a single page if you make it a bit smaller, say 10pt or something. :P

Vortex: indeed.

Xikuang: as far as I am concerned the transaction has taken place as he confirmed the first post.

CACE people:
I do hope that you will put the ignore cannons away for now. I found the ignore/OOC thread spamming not very sportive and actually quite insulting. I will remember it.

I am grateful that Skar now only has a proposal ICly after he signed it because I could have insisted that the base was a done deal. like this one is too. So no more OOC backpaddling. Thank you.

IC:
More people began to arrive on the island. Most of them were technicians, architects, engineers and construction experts who surveyed the entire island for the new constructions. Temporary housing was set up to accomodate the construction crews.

Europolis

12-11-2003, 01:36

Re: X's edit. Actually I would like to ask Skargarden NOT to post in the CACE board. As I wouldn't be able to respond there it would be an unbalanced 'debate'. We can just discuss things here as it is exactly what this thread is for.

Thank you.

~Knoot.

Xikuang

12-11-2003, 03:27

Skargarden is explicitly invited to post in the CACE board as Skargarden has been approached by some CACE members and may have queries or clarifcations to submit to the general Coalition. Skargarden is invited to do so directly, in the interests of addressing the CACE membership. As a nation in Aperin, Skargarden's interests are important to us, and their input is welcome.

12-11-2003, 18:25

Then as a nation involved in the current debate around Skargarden, I would like to know if a) that CACE forum link can be given to me, and b) where I can find that thread, if I would have access to it.

Also:

Skar said anything outside the TG would be disregarded. So how can you start up that thread? If your proposal needs explanation in that thread, you violate the 1 page rule, don't you?

Xikuang

12-11-2003, 18:35

ooc:

Skar said anything outside the TG would be disregarded. So how can you start up that thread? If your proposal needs explanation in that thread, you violate the 1 page rule, don't you?

They said that after I posted my appeal to the CACE. It's linked from my first post in this thread. You're welcome to read, but not to post. Further, my appeal, as it is on this thread, is an ooc move I have made in objection to poor roleplaying, outlined as foolows:

The establishment of a Knootian colony has been on Knootoss's agenda for some time, and we don't want one. Consequently, we are 1) watching this situation very carefully, and 2) I had been engaged in ongoing talks with the coloists themselves, which Knootoss ignored, also linked from my first post in this thread. They then just dumpd the colony there after a closed talk with Skargrden over MSN or something, not roleplaying the launch, the landing, or, crucially, the completion of negotions with me. They just dropped it.

I am in violation of positively nothing.

Correction: the link to the negotiations is in my first post on this thread, the link to the CACE appeal in my second. Forgive me, I'm coming down with one of those head colds that makes your brain go all wibbly on you.

Seocc

12-11-2003, 18:51

ooc: seriously, did these people leave for Skargarden before this deal was negotiated, or do they have supersonic boats?

Tarasovka

12-11-2003, 18:52

ooc: seriously, did these people leave for Skargarden before this deal was negotiated, or do they have supersonic boats?

OOC: Both :)
No seriously, I thought this colonisation business was going on for sometime now. I mean - there were people leaving. So I guess they were waiting on their boats for a place to settle :o
Now that they have it - YAY! :D

12-11-2003, 21:16

OOC: Knoot has been talking about the colonization for a long long time now. On Irc. With everybody. Including the ones that did not even want to hear it.

Xikuang

12-11-2003, 21:23

Syskeyia

12-11-2003, 21:23

#tag#

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Knootoss

12-11-2003, 21:40

12-11-2003, 21:49

X: Since when does Knootoss has to run his plans by CACE before executing them?

Celdonia

12-11-2003, 22:36

X: Since when does Knootoss has to run his plans by CACE before executing them?

Hold on, that's not what we're disputing here.

What we're saying is that Knootoss started all this ages ago and found out there would be hostility to the plan. Xikuang started RPing a meeting with the colonists, and various threads carried references to the planned colony and CACE objection to it. Ok, so far so good.

What we're now saying is that you can't just abandon all that and say the colonists have now arrived - no setting sail, no arriving in the area, nothing. So we're not keen on Knootoss setting up an colony in our neughbourhood. Tough, you'll no dount say. Ok, RP it properly we say.

Seocc

12-11-2003, 22:58

Ok, RP it properly we say.

when you're dealing with a sensitive situation, like people you've ic pissed off and ooc insulted (on both sides, i'll admit i'm guilty) it's all the MORE important to do everything by the book. when you're not on good terms with someone they're not likely to let something slide like a buddy would.

because we do feel like we're being shorted here, because we do feel like K is trying to sneak this one past, because there was a lot of bad blood generated by his refusal to respect our ooc wishes not to screw with our map when he tried to claim 'empty' places, there need to be meticulous attention to standards now.

Tarasovka

13-11-2003, 09:27

OOC: Knoot has been talking about the colonization for a long long time now. On Irc. With everybody. Including the ones that did not even want to hear it.

Yup.
Bad Knootoss! No Cookie! :x

Der Angst

13-11-2003, 12:00

*notes that Knootoss RPed the ships leaving BEFORE the wargames started*

oh, btw, Skargarden: If i interpret the posts right, CACE offers you stuff as well?

Read it carefully, their economic treaty forbids trade with nations outside CACE ;)

Just in case they offered it to you...

~ Ministry for international mockery and truth, DA

Seocc

13-11-2003, 12:19

Read it carefully, their economic treaty forbids trade with nations outside CACE ;)

Skargarden, please don't count this extra to the TG since i'm responding to DA's bit and he is stupendously misinformed:

VI. Economics

A. The CACE will form an extended autarchy.
1. CACE members may not trade with capitalist nations without permission of the CACE body by simple majority.

you'll note this part of the Economic Treaty, the last line in fact:

iv. Non-Treatied Nations: Nations which are not members of the CACE and not signatories of this treaty reside in this level. CACE members and Signatory Nations are barred from trading with them without explicit permission.

so actually as long as the CACE agrees, and the signatories of the Treaty agree (which we do) we can trade with Skargarden all we want. so much for truth.

Xikuang

13-11-2003, 13:08

OOC: Knoot has been talking about the colonization for a long long time now. On Irc. With everybody. Including the ones that did not even want to hear it.

Not with us, not on the forums, where there was an IC negotiation in progress, nor by any other means.

Vortex: LOL
X: maybe because... you broke off contact? :roll:

And explicitly, in response to your question, moved that into nebulous time before breaking off contact, which was timed to take place somewhere in the four-week gap before reconvention of parliament in your Political Upheavel thread:

C:
I already had a reply outlined for this, including bowing to your superior writing skillz on this post, but now Xikuang broke off relations which leaves me with the question:
-Do you want to continue this thing regardless?
-Do you want to continue this thing, "as if it was happening before relations were broken off"
-Do you want to stop this thing because the ambassador is urgently recalled?
-Do you want to stop this thing because you simply do not want to RP (with me) aymore?
Well... you get the point. Just say what you want and I'll accommodate.

regarding this particular topic, I'm willing to leave it in nebulous time before relations were broken off, so I'd be glad to see what you had outlined for me.

Referenced from here. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1984773#1984773)

Der Angst

13-11-2003, 13:15

<Bla>

Yes, indeed, that is freedom of trade... always depending on the decisions of another organisation before actually being able to trade.

I`m sorry, but i think the ability to trade with every free- trade nation in the world whenever one wants it instead of asking for permission and waiting for (RL) weeks until being allowed OR being forbidden to trade with a single nation is preferrable.

This might be the reason why so far, not a single free- market nation signed the treaty.

~ William Clark

Xikuang

13-11-2003, 13:25

Skargarden, you should have your treaty. It should easily fit on one side of an A4 page.

Sorry that took so long. Being a CACE thing, it had to go before CACE, and, well, a ponderous beast moves slowly. ;)

Seocc

13-11-2003, 15:54

Der Angst

13-11-2003, 16:25

I`m sorry, but i think the ability to trade with every free- trade nation in the world whenever one wants it instead of asking for permission and waiting for (RL) weeks until being allowed OR being forbidden to trade with a single nation is preferrable.

ahh...ahh - cannot - contain - beast - inside - me...

THAT IT. politeness over. you're an idiot. you said that we forbit trade BUT WE DON'T. admit you're wrong. admit you didnt read the treaty or the charter and just assume something because you're too lazy to do the research.

do it. do it now. now. don't to distract the issue that you f--- up, i admitted i missed Ruhr joining the WBO, just do it. now.

As much as i enjoy your presence... the difference between IC and ooc is a complete unknown concept to you, isn`t it?

Oh, and the fact that you failed to read what i wrote above... well, i know you`re in a mentally unstable phase, so i wont argue that point... you need my understanding, not arguments ;)

Skargarden

13-11-2003, 19:08

Xikuang

13-11-2003, 20:16

And yes, the deal about the island that Knootoss owns is legal.
Knootoss owns it, and unless he sells it to somebody else, he'll own it for a long time.

Orcs have been withdrawn. Thanks for the clarification.

Celdonia

14-11-2003, 10:54

OOC:I know have both the documents in my hands, I will work night shift and since it's incredibly boring in the night shifts I'll have these and a book with me.
A statement on wich side I'll chose is to come during the next 2 days.

And yes, the deal about the island that Knootoss owns is legal.
Knootoss owns it, and unless he sells it to somebody else, he'll own it for a long time.

OOC: Maybe I missed something, but what was the point of this then?

Celdonia

14-11-2003, 11:01

Knootoss

14-11-2003, 15:36

MODALERT

OOC could we stop the flaming and namecalling please?
oh, and if any mod would please remove the last flaming/"totally irrelevant to the topic"posts? It's really cluttering up the RPing in this thread and by now it's clear that my posting was justified. Also, I am curious to what Skargarden is going to do.

Thank you.

Topic reminder:
Knootoss establishes Christian colony on Skargarden Island
Not "who is an idiot."

IC: *more people arriving* I will write something more nice later.

Knootoss

14-11-2003, 17:54

Nieuw Nederland Island
Eastern point

With the blowing of the ships horn the colony ship Reinland announced her arrival in the new world. Crowds leaned against the railing of the deck cheering and crying as the new island came into view. The autumn breeze played with the hats and umbrellas of these Knootians dressed in tidy city clothes. The raw untamed power of nature on the island impressed them, for most of them had seen little in life but the communities where they had lived all their lives.

The mud stained boots of these new Knootian explorers smashed into the ground of the virgin island. Long blocks of hastily put up barracks and large and sturdy tents awaited them. Construction crews paused their work to welcome the new arrivals. Some families were happily reunited with their sons who had been working on setting up this temporary living space. Behind the barracks a large piece of earth had been flattened and it was apparently the construction base for a new airstrip. Several helicopters were parked to the side: from KNN, the international press and the Knootian government.

The first group gathered round in a large circle around an open space with a flagpole in the middle. Ferdinand the pawnbroker clenched his arms around his coats, as it was windy that day. A quick religious ceremony was done, and the Christians sang some psalms together directed by a tall, fat man in a long black coat. Then, the flag arrived, folded neatly.

The man speeched inspiringly about the new island, ending his address with: “We are here in Nieuw-Nederland and we are here to stay!” The crowd cheered

The flag was attached to the flagpole and slowly raised while the group sang the Knootian anthem in chorus. Many of the words were blown away in the wind:

Our mighty Republic will ever endure.
The Great Knootian Union will Live through the Ages.
The Dream of a People their fortress secure.

As the part referring to the shadow war was sang 29 years old Natasha from The Hague actually began to cry, such an emotional moment this was for her. Finally away from there, finally free…
…We fought for the Future, destroyed the invaders,
and Brought to our Homeland the Laurels of Fame.
Our Glory will live in the Memory of Nations
and All Generations will Honour Her Name...

The flag was up and proudly it flappered in the wind over the Aperinian island. A few Knootian soldiers who had been detached to witness the event saluted and once more the people applauded.

Western point
The ceremony was shadowed by the arrival of more soldiers on the west side of the island. The grey battleship Zhakarov towered mightily above the transport ships, which disembarked at one of the provisional docks. Soldiers were singing as they marched in columns to the centre of the island. They, too, were here to stay. Cheerfully they sang:

Up to mighty Knootcap came
A Knootian lad one day,
All the streets were paved with gold,
So everyone was gay!
Singing songs of Utrecht city,
The Hague , and Da-am Square,
'Til Paddy got excited and
He shouted to them there:

It's a long way to Utrecht city,
It's a long way to go.
It's a long way to Utrecht city
To the sweetest girl I know!
Goodbye to the Hague,
Farewell Da-am Square!
It's a long long way to Utrecht city,
But my heart's right there.

Paddy wrote a letter
To his Knootian Molly O',
Saying, "Should you not receive it,
Write and let me know!
If I make mistakes in "spelling",
Molly dear", said he,
"Remember it's the pen, that's bad,
Don't lay the blame on me".

It's a long way to Utrecht city,
It's a long way to go.
It's a long way to Utrecht city
To the sweetest girl I know!
Goodbye to the Hague,
Farewell Da-am Square!
It's a long long way to Utrecht city,
But my heart's right there.

Molly wrote a neat reply
To Knootian Paddy O',
Saying, "Mike Maloney wants
To marry me, and so
Leave the The Hague and Utrecht city,
Or you'll be to blame,
For love has fairly drove me silly,
Hoping you're the same!"

It's a long way to Utrecht city,
It's a long way to go.
It's a long way to Utrecht city
To the sweetest girl I know!
Goodbye to the Hague,
Farewell Da-am Square!
It's a long long way to Utrecht city,
But my heart's right there.

Seocc

14-11-2003, 18:30

Soldiers were singing as they marched in columns to the centre of the island. They, too, were here to stay.

In response to permament hostile military deployment in Aperin the EDWD has authorized two Tincture class vessels to permanently monitor the island and its inhabitants. Flights by GK groups will commense tomorrow.

MFA Frontdesk

ooc: where did you get the construction equipment? don't even tell me they came over on the boats.

Knootoss

14-11-2003, 19:38

IC: "The ministry of foreign affairs has issued a strong warning to the CACE governments that violations of Knootian airspace in Nieuw Nederland will not be tolerated. Any intruding planes wil be shot down."

OOC: Most of the construction material was magically teleported onto the island, but some pixies flew in the smaller parts. Knootian pixies are about two centimetres long but they can carry up to a ton in heavy equipment. The troops were all brought over on the backs of dolphins who decided to help out. Happy? Now if you still got a nitpicking problem think first, if that fails TG me about it.

Free Outer Eugenia

15-11-2003, 00:28

OOC: Most of the construction material was magically teleported onto the island, but some pixies flew in the smaller parts. Knootian pixies are about two centimetres long but they can carry up to a ton in heavy equipment. The troops were all brought over on the backs of dolphins who decided to help out.OOC:That would be quite impossable as the entire area is infested with the dreaded Winged Outer Eugenian Pixie-eaters. No pixie can get within a mile of the place, and the dolphins are scared shitless of them. The auras of these strange beings incidentally disrupt all means of energy-matter teleportation.

Anhierarch

15-11-2003, 01:02

[tag, in case I haven't already done so.]

Xikuang

15-11-2003, 01:40

No jazzy music, no excitable voiceover, no catchy lyrics: these do not appeal to the quiet, reflective people of Xikuang, and the only introduction to Public Radio News 1 is a sound that means far more to them: the pure tone of one clear bell.

"This is Xikuang Public Radio News One. I'm Khen Nueden.

"Reaction to the establishment of Knootian colony Nieuw-Nederland on a small formerly Skargardeni island is mixed between apprehension and puzzlement. As the island continues to arm and has issued a 'strong warning' to all CACE governments, stating that any aircraft violating Nieuw-Nederand airspace will be shot down with no mention of hailing offending aircraft, the Knootian government's role in infiltrating CACE security and in the recently uncovered plans to escalate ongoing 'war games' in Skargardeni waters to full conflict with CACE nations are well remembered. Yet concern over the establishment of a demonstrably, if not openly, hostile military presence os shadowed by concern for the welfare of the civilian colonists, members of the Christian Reformed Church, which, it is understood, does not have wide representation or public approval in the DDRK.

"Former Xikuangese ambassador to the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss Mr. Gheng Kharhe describes the establishment of the colony as 'lunacy'." Ms. Khen's even alto voice is replaced by a soft-spoken male voice.

"Given the current political climate, it's very difficult to see why the colonists should have been so firmly set on establishing themselves in Aperin, and why the government should have supported such a move. Look at it from a larger perspective: Most Aperinian nations are CACE nations, and given the recent exposé, they are very unlikely to look favourably upon a colony belonging to any SATO nation, much less one so prominently implicated. Most of their neighbours, by CACE charter requirements, cannot trade with them. Because of the severance of diplomatic relations, we won't even talk to them. The colony will be expensive and difficult to maintain, isolated, and under constant surveillance. One wonders why anyone would want to place people hoping only to make a new start towards peaceful lives and the pursuit of their chosen spiritual path in such a difficult and strained situation, especially when-- and I must stress that this was offered, several times-- any of a number of the CACE nations in Aperin would have taken the settlers in as immigrants, which would have satisfied their needs without causing this tension."

"Before Xikuang formally severed diplomatic relations with the WBO and SATO, I myself went to discuss these concerns with the colonists themselves.. But I had barely gotten past introductions when the meeting was abruptly terminated-- they seemed to have no interest in talking about it. I cannot imagine that they would not have foreseen these difficulties for their people. I don't understand why they cannot have gone somewhere they would have been welcomed as a colony, or straightforwardly emigrated, if they were so set on Aperin. The whole idea-- it's just lunacy."

When asked whether he thought it likely that any open hostility would be shown by the CACE nations towards Nieuw-Nederland, Elected General Councillor Sarekh Djijirin commented, 'Don't be daft.' Again Khen's voice is replaced by another, this time a brusque baritone with a distinct North Qabka accent. "Of course, we'll be keeping an eye on them. To expect anything else would be absurd, and I won't insult the Knootians' intelligence by suggesting that they would. But we have no reason to show any hostility, and as long as none is forthcoming, they will be treated with respectful silence."

"When asked whether he believed the colony could have been established as part of the recently exposed plans for invasion or as another, different front, Mr. Sarekh declined to comment.

"This has been a special report by Xikuangese Public Radio One. We now move on.."

Celdonia

15-11-2003, 02:57

Knootoss "Expels" Christians (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2101699#2101699)

Free Outer Eugenia

15-11-2003, 04:05

The mud stained boots of these new Knootian explorers smashed into the ground of the virgin island.

The Elder had feared that this day would come for quite some time now. He was the only one in The Village to have ever traveled Across The Waters and he had saved some valuable mementos from his journeys. Among these was a hardy old crank-powered short-wave radio. Unlike his compatriots who were blissfully ignorant of the world, The Elder knew that these were dangerous times and so he regularly monitored the airwaves for anything of interest. The frenzied reports about an international dispute over a small strategically located island caught his attention, and an Outer Eugenian amateur radio transmittion confirmed his worst suspicions. They were coming.

It was now time to prepare the people for the inevitable. He would tell them of what was to come in the only way that they could understand. He called one of his grandsons to him and told him to spread the word to the Clans: there would be a Cometogether at sundown.

The Clans gathered at The Meeting Place at noon and feasted, and danced to the Drums of Peace as was the tradition, until sunset. When the torches were lit, all of the inhabitants of The Village formed a circle around The Elder and listened reverently to his aged yet vibrant voice. The Elder had a little trouble rising from his straw mat but when his oldest grandson tried to help him up he waved the young man away and stood erect seemingly on the force of his will, gritting his teeth with every centimeter. He gripped his staff so tightly that his knuckles turned white. He looked at the content faces around him and sighed wearily.

“My beloved children; heed me for I bring to you the wisdom of The Spirits. I have been meditating with The Spirit Box and the Wandering Spirits have brought ominous tidings upon the westerly winds.” The silence seemed to grow thicker and the darkness closed in around the villagers. “Visitors from a faraway place will soon land upon our shores in great iron longboats. They have very powerful magics and so we must tread with caution. We must begin to move the food stores into the caves tomorrow and we must send our best scouts to watch the shores. Kira, Chief of the Hunt shall see to this. Now I must go to The Shrine to pray for aid from the Spirits.”

The Elder walked off towards The Shrine and a murmur arose from the crowd as the imposing Amazon figure of Kira, Chief of the Hunt took her place in the center of the circle.

As The Elder walked to the ornately carved wooden shed he smiled to himself at the fact that he too now thought of the radio shack that he had built in his youth as The Shrine. Must be senility setting in, he thought to himself half-seriously. He fired up the generator, put on the headset and manipulated the dials and switches.

“Good evening friend, I am glad that you have received my message,” said the voice on the other side.
“I knew that this day would come. Have you made the necessary arrangements?” said The Elder.
“We are ready to leave at a moment’s notice.” Said the voice.

Free Outer Eugenia

15-11-2003, 05:13

The ceremony was shadowed by the arrival of more soldiers on the west side of the island. The grey battleship Zhakarov towered mightily above the transport ships, which disembarked at one of the provisional docks. Soldiers were singing as they marched in columns to the centre of the island. They, too, were here to stay.

"The ministry of foreign affairs has issued a strong warning to the CACE governments that violations of Knootian airspace in Nieuw Nederland will not be tolerated. Any intruding planes will be shot down."

A strange procession of five unarmed men and women in simple hand-made leather and woven cloth garments walked out of the woods. An old man leaning heavily on his staff was at the center and the others seemed to be his attendants. “Do not shoot” said The Elder in passable Dutch. “We come in peace. Welcome to our island.”

Meanwhile in the Knootian command center a transmission was received just as a small Free Outer Eugenian civilian jet was flying towards Knootian-claimed airspace:

“Knootcommand, this is Maxwell Freeborn Pierce, an international delegate of the Federation. We respectfully request permission to land. We are an unarmed diplomatic mission. This is an unarmed diplomatic Free Outer Eugenian mission requesting clearance to land. Over.”

Anhierarch

15-11-2003, 06:04

International waters east of the Aperin Continent

Aboard the ANF Lythrum

It is good to be at sea...

Commodore Eldon inhales deeply on the bridge of the Kirov Class Guided Missile Cruiser, his finely attuned senses insisting that even within the climate controlled confines of the bridge, the air still smelled better at sea. With his eyes closed he lets his mind drift for a moment, the gentle murmuring of the crew, the thrumming of the engines, the muted song of the sea as a meditative mantra to him.

After a few seconds of drifting, he surveys the bridge once again. The past few days had been altogether routine, just keeping the battlegroup moving.

I wonder how the crew's doing, especially below deck. I'll just have a bit of a walkabout.

The battlegroup proceeds onward, pushing on towards colder climes.

Knootoss

15-11-2003, 15:04

OOC: Free Outer Eugenia, as much as I liked how those posts were written you cannot simply claim to have people on that island. So please TG me with what you want with it. I'm not going to accept that you supposedly have the entire former skargardian island populated with your Elves. It's my island. However five elves living there unseen in the woods is acceptable for me. Not entire clans.

The delegate has permission to land, but no FAU communities there. -End of message-

More ICness on building up the colony later.

Skargarden

15-11-2003, 16:44

ooc: It was my island so I decide how many elf there's inhabitating it, just because you buy it doesn't make the elfs magiclly go away :wink:

Free Outer Eugenia

15-11-2003, 17:03

ooc: It was my island so I decide how many elf there's inhabitating it, just because you buy it doesn't make the elfs magiclly go away :wink:OOC: I hope my TG clears things up, sorry for not asking you first. BTW... they're not elves.

As far as "clans" go: they are simply largish extended families, and there are not too many of them.

Knootoss

15-11-2003, 17:03

ooc: It was my island so I decide how many elf there's inhabitating it, just because you buy it doesn't make the elfs magiclly go away :wink:
OOC: Umh... I find this a bit strange. You sold the island yet you told me nothing about Elves during the sale. Has that moron Sea Orc been blabbering again? Because you/he clearly made this up after the sale of the island as a means of frustration.

It clearly stipulated room for all the things we discussed, including the colony. so it's OOC backpeddeling. This way of OOCly frustrating my efforts is not accepted & more then just a few "Communist Elves" are happily ignored. Sorry Skar, but it's ridicilous as we would never have taken the island. If this is your "mediating solution" you'd better find another one.

Knootoss

15-11-2003, 17:07

ooc: It was my island so I decide how many elf there's inhabitating it, just because you buy it doesn't make the elfs magiclly go away :wink:OOC: I hope my TG clears things up, sorry for not asking you first. BTW... they're not elves.

FAO: okay, so it was you. However that doesn't change things. I might be willing to accept it as a RPing idea but I won't simply accept it. It was my goddamn island from the moment it was sold giving me OOC control over what happens there.

We had some things outlined there, it being completely populated was not one of them so f*ck off.

There was at no point a TG to me, so unless you give me a really good reason why I should go with this they are ignored.

Seocc

15-11-2003, 17:12

Knootoss

15-11-2003, 17:18

OOC: Umh... I find this a bit strange. You sold the island yet you told me nothing about Elves during the sale. Has that moron Sea Orc been blabbering again? Because you/he clearly made this up after the sale of the island as a means of frustration.

ooc: i actually had nothing to do with this.

however, K, you're not one to talk about ooc backpedalling. from what Skargarden has been telling us, he's been trying to tell you he doesn't want to go ahead with this rp because the deal was ooc etc etc but you've gone into civil disobedience mode. the island is still Skar's, he RP's it, so no more finger pointing methinks. we are willing to accept Skar's word on the essay contest so try to think beyond yourself.

-You've been OOC backpedalling
-He never told me. You are putting words in his mouth.
-The deal was confirmed as IC. The island is hence mine.
-I am willing to accept skars word on the essay contest in that it determines diplomatic relations. You cannot "unsell" the island. I guess one of you persuaded him to do this to frustrate it. Or maybe he just thought it was a fun idea. It does not matter why. An ICly done deal is an ICly done deal.

Free Outer Eugenia

15-11-2003, 17:18

OOC: When have I ever let OOC considerations get in the may of good RP? If I were really as pathetic as that, would have I entered into the still ongoing conflict that i have with Seocc?

Lets not argue thios here. I TG'd all parties invilved. I don't care who 'wins'. All I know is that this is an interesting plot twist. Good RP is not about boring predictability.
Seocc had nothing to do with this, neither did the CACE. This is all me.

Knootoss

15-11-2003, 17:21

Knootoss

15-11-2003, 17:22

Lets not argue thios here. I TG'd all parties invilved. I don't care who 'wins'. All I know is that this is an interesting plot twist. Good RP is not about boring predictability.

(this was edited in) - reply per TG forthcoming

Free Outer Eugenia

15-11-2003, 17:26

OOC: When have I ever let OOC considerations get in the may of good RP? If I were really as pathetic as that, would have I entered into the still ongoing conflict that i have with Seocc?
OOC: How about... right now? It's awfully convenient for your propaganda spin isn't it?

*points to above post for how he proceeds*

You can continue with 5 Elves. Period.

OOC:

1. They are not elves.
2. this is not an obstructionist tactic
3. I have no interest in kicking you off from the island. I am sure that the knootians will be able to coexist with a villiage of 121 men, women and children on a reletively large island.
4. RP is about collaberative storytelling, not stupid power struggles. I don't care who 'wins' as long as I get to spin my yarn for your entertainment and with your participation.
5. Please check your TGs

Knootoss

15-11-2003, 17:43

OOC:
*sent a reasonably polite telegram to you*

I hope we can work this out into something decent
~Knoot

Celdonia

15-11-2003, 18:13

Watfordshire

15-11-2003, 18:53

Firstly - Only just caught up with proceedings today but - I'm completely loving this. :lol:

Secondly - Knoot - whatever your IC motivation for the purchase of an island on the Aperin map - you've got to admit that a piece of writing as good as FOEs (that's F...O...E..s) simply cannot be ignored.

Thirdly - Should the colonists wish to celebrate their new 'done deal' of Nieuw Nederland, in a little more style than their limited resources would probably allow - The Shiree will be happy to send a consignment of musicians, pharmacists and members of the Union of Courtesans, and the representation of Magic Hooley Jnr. (Head of Military Dancing) to facilitate the proceedings.

Fourthly - Welcome to Aperin :twisted: X

Knootoss

15-11-2003, 21:25

OOC:

Knoot, given the amoiunt of OOC hostility that keeps being displayed why do you even want to RP with us?

And we always said there was nowhere in Aperin that was uninhabited. More fool you for pressing on and then having Skar confirm it when you land.

Oh and "Scotland 1 - 0 Holland" :lol:

Celdonia: I'm working something out with FOE right now. I'm not pulling an ignore here. I just want to make sure that this isn't a cheap attempt at landgrabbing or propagandising. It now appears it isn't, and in that case I'm willing to go through with it. I don't mind a little trouble, I do mind others declaring stuff for me.

As for our *twack* incompetent *twack* bunch *twack* of *twack* lazy *twack* millionaires *twack* that lose a match to SCOTLAND. You are completely right to laugh. I hope they lose the return match too... gives me a really nice and quiet European Championship without all those footballfans walking around the place. 8)

Firstly - Only just caught up with proceedings today but - I'm completely loving this. :lol:

Secondly - Knoot - whatever your IC motivation for the purchase of an island on the Aperin map - you've got to admit that a piece of writing as good as FOEs (that's F...O...E..s) simply cannot be ignored.

Thirdly - Should the colonists wish to celebrate their new 'done deal' of Nieuw Nederland, in a little more style than their limited resources would probably allow - The Shiree will be happy to send a consignment of musicians, pharmacists and members of the Union of Courtesans, and the representation of Magic Hooley Jnr. (Head of Military Dancing) to facilitate the proceedings.

Fourthly - Welcome to Aperin :twisted: X
Finally someone who appreciates it. And yes, I hope to work something out with Eugenia.
Re: thirdly. while I IRly would love to do that I'm affraird the colonists aren't really the partying types. Solemn, Dutch Reformed religious fundies. So they'll have to decline. :cry:
Re: fourthly. We're here to stay. :wink:

Der Angst

15-11-2003, 21:48

Secondly - Knoot - whatever your IC motivation for the purchase of an island on the Aperin map - you've got to admit that a piece of writing as good as FOEs (that's F...O...E..s) simply cannot be ignored.
Actually, when the 'colonisation' by FOE wasn`t RPed (private or openly) between him and Skargarden BEFORE the island was sold to Knootoss... they are not there. [Or that would be my claim if i was in Knootoss position]

How about i write a wonderful two page post about DA immigrants in Celdonia that are wrried due to the growing hostilities between their old and new home? How about i would use that in my advantage?

He wouldn´t accpet it and he would be damn right.

Celdonia

15-11-2003, 21:58

OOC:

Knoot, given the amoiunt of OOC hostility that keeps being displayed why do you even want to RP with us?

And we always said there was nowhere in Aperin that was uninhabited. More fool you for pressing on and then having Skar confirm it when you land.

Oh and "Scotland 1 - 0 Holland" :lol:

Celdonia: I'm working something out with FOE right now. I'm not pulling an ignore here. I just want to make sure that this isn't a cheap attempt at landgrabbing or propagandising. It now appears it isn't, and in that case I'm willing to go through with it. I don't mind a little trouble, I do mind others declaring stuff for me.

As for our *twack* incompetent *twack* bunch *twack* of *twack* lazy *twack* millionaires *twack* that lose a match to SCOTLAND. You are completely right to laugh. I hope they lose the return match too... gives me a really nice and quiet European Championship without all those footballfans walking around the place. 8)

OOC: Well I think the odds are still on your "overpriced" millionaires to do the job in Asterdam. I can but hope though.

As for FOE - ok, you know I'm biased, but you should give him every opportunity (as you say you are doing, so maybe things are cool) to come up with something interesting. Hell, as the prime anarchist troublemaker in the CACE I don't see why he should only be causing trouble for us.

Sorry FOE, you know I love you really :wink:

Free Outer Eugenia

15-11-2003, 22:05

[Or that would be my claim if i was in Knootoss position]
OOC:
This is one of the many reasons why I would rather RP with a reasonable person such as Knoot than with you. :P

If you want to continue this OOC bitchfight in public then please start another thread and TG me.

I'm sure that all parties involved will agree with me on this point. If you do than please don't post the fact here.

Thank you

*We now return you to our regurerly scheduled RP*

Skargarden

15-11-2003, 23:11

ooc: FOE did you get my TG?/Check your TG
And about the island, let me put it this way. It's Knootoss island, Knootoss owns the island, the island is now since Knootoss have purchased it... his island, what happens with it now I don't really give a damn about.

IC:

"Having looked at both the documents, and checking on the stability in Aperin. Been able to see what both sides wants and how they react to eachother I've come up with a decision. Put aside my own interest and thought about the very best of my people I've asked myself some questions.
Do I want my children to be worried 16 hours a day that a war will errupt, do I want to spend billions of Euro's on building bomb-shelters and nuclear proof bunkers? Or do I want to disarm, destroy my weapons and let my people live in a safe environment and have peace.
The choice was simple but yet so hard.

I've chosen the CACE as I don't want to be the weak link in the chain.
If you got any questions I'm more than happy to answer them.

Xikuang

16-11-2003, 01:07

ooc

backpeddeling

*COUGH*

And please-- this nonce about SeOCC convincing Skargarden after the fact to do anything at all is ridiculous. Stop putting words in Skargarden's mouth, stop classifying whoever you don't like as SeOCC puppets, and start acknowledging that we all play as ourselves. To hear you tell it Skargarden talks to you and you only, ever. Don't you think it the slightest bit likely that two nations who have been at war in Aperin for years, one of which borders SeOCC, might have some dealings with SeOCC? I accepted it immediately when Skargarden said the island had been sold. The next word I hear about anything that Skargarden says or does will come from Skargarden or I'm not listening.

And yes, I am being reasonable.

Der Angst

16-11-2003, 10:33

<snip> (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2102572#2102572)

ABC:

Latest news: Angstian Immigrants in Free outer Eugenia protested aganst their governments liaison with CACE and the logically following confrontation course with their old home.

"I mean, yes, we left because we couldn`t stand the oppression in DA, and FOE is definitely a better place to live in, but still... we have old ties, and we do not want this kind of hostile relationships between our old and our new home. We enjoy our freedom here, really, but... what happens right now is simply... simply... wrong." ~ Random Angstian immigrant in FOE

It is not yet known what the protesting minority of Angstian immigrants in FOE demands, but it looks like a general disagreement with basic CACE political guidelines.

Reactions of the 'government' of FOE are not yet available, but we will keep you informed.

This was Miranda VeraCruz de la Jolla Cardinal, LIVE for ABC."

[/sarcasm]

Oh, and i love the abbrevations 'FOE' XD

Seocc

16-11-2003, 13:19

Or do I want to disarm, destroy my weapons and let my people live in a safe environment and have peace.

I raise my glass to you, sir, and say 'Here's to peace!'

Talia Ellman-Fogg
Minister of Politics
SeOCC

Skar: TG's if you haven't checked.

Free Outer Eugenia

16-11-2003, 20:25

OOC: What 'confrontation course' is that? BTW before you RP within FOE you should make sure to have a little understanding about the social structure.

1. We have no 'government' quotation marks or no. If you mean the Federation, then this is another question entirely.

2. The Der Angstians can leave the free association that comprises our CACE afiliation whilst maintaining many other economic and social ties. No one is forced to support the majority opinion here. Our social structure consists of interlocking and sometimes seemingly redundant associations to safeguard this.

I will be glad to RP this with you if you edit your post to take these things into account.

Der Angst

16-11-2003, 21:02

ooc: The [/sarcasm] indicates that this events did NOT take place... fictional parallel universe...

Well, i admit that you seem to be willing to play by your own rules... still, i do not agree.

~ DA, now leaving this thread for good

Skargarden

17-11-2003, 19:03

Deal with Knootoss about island considered illegal by supreme council

The president of Skargarden Mr. Sedin Krak today faced the supreme council regarding the little island west of Skargarden being sold to Knootoss. The supreme council says that the fact that a foreign nation having 250’000 soldiers together with some military equipment and having close allies in his nation and outside in the waters made the president panic and he’s judgment was set of making the deal with Knootoss illegal according to Skargarden law.
But the verdict wasn’t entirely satisfying as it didn’t agree on what will happen to the people all ready been sent to the island. So the supreme court together with the government put together a deal which they implore the Knootoss government to accept.

1. Settlers already arrived and settled down will be offered to immigrate and become Skargarden citizens and stay under Skargarden protection and rule.
2. Any soldiers and/or military equipment currently on the island will be removed or se #3.
3. Even though the island will go back to being owned by Skargarden the recently built military base can stay but will have certain restrictions.Such as no more than 15’000 troops will be stationed there. Nuclear weapons will not be allowed to be stored or any missiles with a range further than 250 km. No more than a force consisting of 35 fighter jets can be harbored there.

Unless these call them rules aren’t followed we’ll se the soldiers as a foreign military power occupying the island and an act of war against Skargarden and will not be looked kindly upon.

Knootoss

17-11-2003, 21:45

The Knootian carrier KDF Vogels, Skargarden territorial waters near Nieuw Nederland

[code:1:6cb797d65d]DEFCON 2. RULES OF ENGAGEMENT OPTION DELTA NOW IN EFFECT. THIS MESSAGE IS TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS A WAR-WARNING. HOSTILITIES WITH SKARGARDEN AND THE CACE ARE NOW CONSIDERED AS LIKELY BUT NOT CERTAIN. HOSTILITIES COULD INITIATE WITHOUT RPT WITHOUT WARNING[/code:1:6cb797d65d]

OOC: diplomatic and OOC reply pending.
FOE please check your telegrams.

17-11-2003, 22:20

Knootoss

17-11-2003, 22:34

Emergency session of parliament that night, The Hague, Knootoss

RCPK State-secretary Galadriël Táralóm, looking slightly tired but still passionate, took the stand:

“Honoured Colleagues,

Skargarden's attitude and recent demands have further broadened the gap separating Skargarden from the free community. Clearly the power of the democratic institutions is still somewhat lacking, as it is being used as a political tool. It appears that SeOCC has concentrated the strength of his Empire against our ‘ally’, Skargarden. The new aim of the anticapitalist warmongers now consists of the realization of a plan that they had already hatched since war did not break out over their clear and open provocations. In their eyes, it was only postponed because of the gigantic restraint exercised by the SATO command. His web of plotting against the free world now also caught little Skargarden in the spider web of Anticapitalist intrigue.

After long effort we finally succeeded in securing the cooperation of Skargarden by its adherence to the Knootian/Menelmacari Military Pact without having demanded anything whatsoever of the Skargardian nation. I assure you that this diplomatic incident is not a quarrel with the Skargardian people, but against that archenemy, SeOCC, which is again trying to extend his influence over the whole of Aperin, the same as he tried with Empire, Terronos, Heliotis, Tellenic Aperin and Xikuang.

The Skargardian government has overseen several points: firstly the deal has been legally signed and cannot be withdrawn. The Skargardians did not even bother with proper procedure; within days they are presumably able to make such a decision without even consulting Knootians in any kind. We still hold Nieuw-Nederland, both legally and de facto. I have full confidence that the Skargardians will continue to respect Knootian national sovereignty.

Also it would appear that negotiations are needed to clear up the current status of international relations. Skargarden has never withdrawn from the military alliance with Menelmacar and the Dutch Democratic Republic, and still has to abide with appropriate time to withdraw from it. By legal right, one cannot withdraw from such treaties on a whim. For all of these agreements there is, as usual, a certain time that has to be taken into account before one can officially withdraw.

We still have a free trade pact and a monetary union but this is being strained by hints of their signing the economic treaty. Again, we have had no word on this by Skargardian officials. However, so far not a single free-market nation has signed this treaty and we believe them to be wiser but to do so. The treaty would effectively hand over economic control of their nation to the CACE. (OOC: being forced to select certain issues) as they have to abide by a host of socio-economic regulations. Also, trade with nations outside of the CACE cannot be done without permission. While anticapitalist negotiators are downplaying this it will effectively add the free market nation of Skargarden to their closed and planned economy. CACE members have been consistently denied trade with capitalist nations such as those in the WBO for example and should our treaty of free trade be hindered by such a development I assure this house I will stand for the interests of Knootian corporations. We also outlined some major trading partners that would probably agree with our position. However these are matters to be discussed at a later time.”

She stepped down and the debate continued.

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Later that night…
SLP Prime Minister Lousewies van der Laan, concluding the meeting.

“To summarise the reaction of this house, it was immediate and, as it rarely happens, unanimous in rejecting their arguments and in making him give up a similar attitude. The condemnation comes also from several of our allies in the SATO Alliance with whom I have spoken privately this evening.

The government is also getting ready to lead Skargarden back to more reasonable behaviour. The Committee of political directors of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs met yesterday to prepare the discussion of this topic in next Monday's General Affairs Council.

As far as we are concerned, we cannot fail to ask for Atlantic solidarity and contribute to it, trying to enhance as much as possible its logic based on deterrence and on trying to find a negotiated solution. The SATO and allied Alliance sits permanently; it brought its forces to the theatre of operations; it abbreviated reaction times. We reminded the Skargardian president of the duties he has to fulfil as dictated by the agreements he signed with Knootian negotiators on numerous occasions, as well as reminding him of the new situation. If he fulfils his duties he might just be able to stop matters from becoming worse. Today I believe I can send a new, firm warning to the Skargardian President in order for him to rediscover the spirit of dialogue and compromise.

The events of the last few days cannot make us forget that signs of flexibility must also come from our side, from the Knootian component. There must be flexibility first of all in the search for a common negotiated position in one's own field and in giving up armed provocation. We must try to lead the conflict along the path towards negotiation, in order for the region to finally fulfil its aspirations of peace, autonomy, political, economic and cultural identity, and prevent extremist conditions which are unacceptable for the other party, such as giving up sovereign Knootian territory, from being laid down on the table.

Therefore this is our strategy: maintaining and strengthening means of pressure and creating the best conditions for a negotiated solution, which is acceptable for both parties. This is how we intend to act, both bilaterally and in agreement with our partners and allies.

OOC: Skar, we really need to talk over MSN. Status of alliance and troops have IMHO been insufficiently determined. The troops never withdrew from your country. Just a reminder.

Knootoss

17-11-2003, 23:00

IC: Knootoss, after carefully reading press releases from SATO, CACE and several neutral observers, and paying close attention to this and several other political disputes between SATO and CACE, the Free Republic of Thirtycaliber would like to inquire as to where a description of SATO and its membership requirements are found, and whether being located in Maine and/or having NCA ties would prohibit our membership in SATO or at least positive relations with its member nations.

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John C.G. Schnee
Secretary of State
The Free Republic of Thirtycaliber

>properly encrypted message<

SATO membership requirements stipulate adherence to the charter and it does not specifically prevent entry of NCA-associated nations. However it is true that the organisation an sich is not universally held in high regard amongst its membernations.

Any application by a member nation is voted upon by the existing members. I invite you to apply and plead your case for membership, and we will determine our vote appropriately. Please do know that security checks will be in place to prevent anticapitalist spies from further breaching our security. As a right-thinking man I trust you will see such measures as a neccecery evils.

Independently from the question of SATO membership the DDR of Knootoss would like to engage in positive bilateral relations with your nation. Perhaps a treaty of mutual defence against the anticapitalist threat can be reached. In order to facilitate such a treaty in the short term the Knootian government is willing to extend significant trade advantages to your nation, as well as a reduction in tarrifs on our part.

Furthermore, in this stage of what appear to be impending hostilities I would welcome talks with the leadership of the New Conservative Alliance.
If you could arrange this for us we would be much ablidged. Being a conservative myself, I'm sure we will get along fine.

State-secretary Galadriël Táralóm nos Cirdan
Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss

Enclosed attachments:
1) A copy of the SATO charter. (http://invisionfree.com/forums/WBO_and_SATO/index.php?showtopic=1)

2) A map with directions to the World Business Organisation and the South Atlantic Treaty Orgainsation (http://invisionfree.com/forums/WBO_and_SATO/) (OOC: the forum where you also can apply.)

OOC: I never thought I'd see the day for this. I'm not an NCA fanboy IRL you see. Galadriël is a conservative, I as player am not. However right now my broad coalition government is not picky with allies atm. :wink:

And: Yay, another application!

17-11-2003, 23:45

OOC: The charter looked fine, but the top of page links on the forum rather scared me... :shock:

IC: The Free Republic of Thirtycaliber has only one issue with the SATO charter, and that is #2... to "Agree with all resolved policies", and only because we are not aware of which policies have been resolved. The Department of State will proceed over the next 24 hours (RL) to search for any resolutions mandatory to SATO members that we would not be able to comply with. If we are satisfied that we will, in good faith, be able to abide by all rules that must be followed for SATO membership, we will immediately apply for membership in this organization.

As for bilateral relations and mutual defense, we are completely willing to engage in negotiations for such things. We would be willing to support you in the regrettable case that direct conflict with CACE or another anticapitalist entity occurs. We are also fairly confident that we would quickly pass any security checks, being currently involved in the support of the freely elected Nimbatan Government against Red rebels,many of them relics from the previous tyrannical Red regime.

Thank you for your time, and we look forward to future friendship between our nations.

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John C.G. Schnee
Secretary of State
The Free Republic of Thirtycaliber

Ravenspire

18-11-2003, 00:25

"That archenemy, Seocc?"

Who talks like that? Eesh.

Sakura Kitsuki

Celdonia

18-11-2003, 01:02

Asked to comment by CBC News on the latest announcement from Knootoss, Michael McKay, Celdonian Foreign Minister, replied:

It seems unfortunate that once again Knootoss is calling for war with CACE, and this time over a contract dispute. It seems that, lamentably, Contract law has been dropped from the syllabus at Knootian universities if this is the way their politicians deal with such disputes.

It doesn't surprise me though, we've maintained that for some reason Knootoss desires conflict with CACE and now they're suggesting this might give them reason. It's absolutely preposterous. They're acting like criminals, bullying Skargarden into giving into their demands.

I really can't see any sensible or logical reason for the Knootian reaction to this, unless there really is a wider agenda they're denying. I mean...it's not like we don't live on a big enough planet. Why are they so desperate to get their hands on this particular island? I can't imagine it's just because of Aperin's wonderful weather, can you?

Celdonia

18-11-2003, 01:03

--- triple post ---

Celdonia

18-11-2003, 01:03

--- triple post ---

18-11-2003, 05:53

OOC: Checked the TGs knoot. I guess that my RP is not wanted on this thread. Congrats on ailienating one of the few CACE nations that never gave a rats ass whether or not you held on to that god-forsaken island and just wanted a good RP with you. If you hold on to the thing I hope that you will want to continue the RP, and if not I hope that Skar is up for it.

Even my Der Angstian refugees are disapointed with you.

Cheers,
-Eugene
(FOE)

Der Angst

18-11-2003, 10:55

and whether being located in Maine and/or having NCA ties would prohibit our membership in SATO or at least positive relations with its member nations.

*points out that the NCA is IC ignored by him*

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ic:

After word about Skargardens turn towards left reached DA, the associated council of incorporated and private enterprises bursted out laughing.

"After realising that you preferred to deal with CACE rather than with us, we couldn`t help but pity you.

Unfortunately, your new associates will make it impossible to allow your nation a closer association with the WBO, but that is entirely your decision.

However, regarding the decisions of the supreme council, we can`t help but... worry. The forces inside Skargarden are forces of allied nations.

The reactions of the population when this forces arrived were rather excited.

To be honest, we doubt that the supreme councils decision is legal. We doubt the 'evidence' that the president panicked. And we doubt tht the supreme council acted neutral. Instead, we believe that there was pressure from outside Skargarden to force the supreme council to this decision.

However, we could be wrong.

Therefore, we would like to decide upon this matter in a higher, neutral council: The world court established by Ur an Ass [Disregard the nation`s name, it´s a quite reliable player. And with Private enterprise illegal @ CACE. Should be sufficient.]

Both parties could negotiate and decide on this matter in a less hostile environment than the currently... well... not so good relationships between the involved nations.

We sincerely hope that you will look kindly upon this possibility."

[ooc: a comparable message was sent to Knootoss. Skargarden and Knootoss are therefore the only ones that actually know about this offer. Thank you.]

Seocc

18-11-2003, 12:56

Why are they so desperate to get their hands on this particular island?

MoI Release: Buried Treasure Found on Skargarden Island

Legends of the Knootian pirates that had ravaged the seas of Aperin hundreds of years ago, and rumor of fortunes buried in remote coves and inlets, had persisted for years as a kind of underground culture cult. The recent attempt of Knootoss to seize Skargardenian land, though, has brought these old stories to the forefront of the political arena, as the legend of Mange Beard, a dread Knootian pirate of the 1800's. Mange Beard, known for his utter disdain of bathing, ravaged shipping liners during a quite succesful pirating career that lasted over fourteen years. He was finally caught by a Rigan war wagon when Mange Beard's ship made the mistake of moving upwind of the Rigans, who followed his smell for their kill.

Mange Beard's treasure, though, was never found, and certain evidence has arisen showing that these 'christians' are actually treasure hunters seeking the find the buried loot. Investigations into this possiblity began when the colonists showed up with shovels and maps covered in big red x's. The fact that half of them were dressed as Jack Sparrow, doing poor imitations of Mr. Depp's now signature swagger, didn't help their image.

'Arrrr, matey,' said one of the colonists, moving his eye patch to make eye contact with this reporter, 'I be seeking the treasure of old Maaaange Beeeard.'

The colonist was quickly punched in the ribs by his cohorts, who explained he'd had to much sun. When this reporter pointed out that the day, like most in the sound, was overcast and sunless, they ran off without delay.

Several Aperin nations are already preparing to file suit to claim their share of the treasure, demanding reperations be made for their losses. 'Just because I immigrated here four years ago doesn't mean that the proud heritage I've adopted isn't insulted by the treasure of my adopted forefathers going to the kind of descendants of the man who stole it,' quipped a Heliotian autoworker over his lunch break.

'Me to,' said another man, 'I'm from Anhierarch but I want money too.'

The hopes of treasure, though, may be ultimately misplaced, since newly uncovered records seem to indicate that Mange Beard hoarded not gold but nudie magazines. While antique pornorgraphy may have collector value to some, it will probably be burnt by the christian colonists to avoid being infected by the ancient work of the devil.

MoI Frontdesk

GMC Military Arms

18-11-2003, 13:51

Which leaves only one question: why do reporters tend to speak of themselves in the third person?

Free Outer Eugenia

18-11-2003, 15:29

Which leaves only one question: why do reporters tend to speak of themselves in the third person?This reporter believes that this is because journalistic ethics require that this reporter ought to strive and appear to be a completely impartial observer: always interviewing and never editorializing, even when this reporter editorializes. This reporter is not attempting to sway the viewer personally with this reporter's own subjective opinions; this reporter is treating this reporter as just another interviewee while recodnizing that this reporter is in fact this reporter.

For FOEnet this is This Reporter. Good night.

Biotopia

18-11-2003, 16:54

What did Kistsnot, i mean Knootoss mean by "lead" To lead surely implies that you will be moving Skargarden in an intended direction rather then allowing Skargarden to make the decisoin themselves or even dare to move alongside with Skargarden, rather then marching them forward.

PS: The more of a "Kruvisnok" you act, the more of these messages you can expect.

Knootoss

18-11-2003, 16:55

Biotopia

18-11-2003, 17:04

translation of messages intent: We were just curious to point out the inherent use of controlling words in your dialogue. You use phrases which imply your self-view on the issue, which seems to be the one who will dictate the terms between CACE, Skargarden and SATO, rather then allowing all parties to talk face to face. You are in effect acting as the wedge between resolution. The fact that you attempt to hopelessly attach yourself to Skargarden by taking on the 'burden' of leading them allows you to justify your actions to yourself and gain support from your friends. We just thought that it was inappropriate for Knootoss to use language that dominates in terms of dialogue, rather then withdrawing from the discussion and attempting to resolve the issue via an objective view point.

"Kruvisnok" means 'one who does indecent things to animals for money' although it is more commonly used to describe someone who is behaving obnoxiously.

Xikuang

18-11-2003, 18:22

Well said, Biotopia. We echo the call for open debate and a cessation of the propoagation of irrelevant mistruths.

Skargarden

18-11-2003, 19:32

From Supreme council

"Erhh, dear Knootoss, you don't have a legal contract as one side of the contract did not have the authority to sign the contract - the contract can not be valid. The president had no power what so ever to sign a contract giving owner rights about an island to another nation as little as he can sell the nation as a whole. The contract is illegal. Such a contract can only be signed if all of the governmental parts agree on it. First the President - then the Supreme Council - then parliament - and finally the cabinet.
We are however willing to re-discuss a contract about the island, but the current one is not legal.

Ruhr

18-11-2003, 23:59

OOC: :roll: I need to do some postination now.

IC:

The large superfreighter cut its way through the Aperin waters to the recently Knootian acquired island off Skargarden. The thick black hull and white superstructure of the massive vessel bore the title Kittridge on several spots. Onboard, or atleast seemingly onboard were several thousand tons of humanitarian aid for Knootian colonists. The extended and refridgerated cargo containers were lying on the deck, with the red cross on top of each box designating medical or humanitarian aid.

However, deep in the hull of the superfreighter lay the sixteen pre-assembled triple-turret railguns that would be assembled in the cover of darkness on the Knootian island. Dozens of containers on the bottom of the stacks inside of the ship were to be unloaded last, and hopefully secretly.

To make sure this vessel got to Aperin safely, the RNS Hamburg slit through the cold, deep waters of the seas. This was an important package, especially with the growing hostilities across the region. This was not for preemptively striking Aperin states, but for the defence of the island.

The twenty-inch railguns which would typically be found on the Lancer Class BBGN were manufactured and now only hours away from being unloaded under the cover of night. All was going well thusfar.

Knootoss

19-11-2003, 00:22

Biotopia

19-11-2003, 07:59

OOC: I have been working on and off on a reply to you all, it's gonna be a threepager. But I couldn't finish it and I really need somesleep right now. So tomorrow or the day after that. (Birthday party.)

*laughs at irony that the people who made Kistsnots, I mean Knootoss's bed are probably still awake,under the harsh florescent lights of their sweatshop, I mean 'outsourced foreign labour service centre'

Seocc

19-11-2003, 12:28

Tarasovka

19-11-2003, 12:58

The twenty-inch railguns which would typically be found on the Lancer Class BBGN were manufactured and now only hours away from being unloaded under the cover of night. All was going well thusfar.

ooc: except, of course, for the two Tinctures that are guarding the island, and have moved to intercept the incoming enemy vessel.

OOCL: Except, of course, for the 100 Taraskovyan ships that sank the two SeOCC ships as well as the entire CACE Joint Fleets.
Except of course, for the 1000 nuclear ICMBs that leveled SeOCC to sea level.
Except, of course, that OOC remarks are not taken into count during an IC RP.

Ruhr, I suggest that if Zeetroll can't RP normally, we ignore all OOC remarks of his that express IC RP ;)

In other words - SeOCC, RP your stuff or we will consider that nobody is out there facing us. :wink:

Xikuang

19-11-2003, 13:12

The Tinctures are and have been there IC. There's actually quite a bit of stuff there, so you might want to have a think about hailing the assembled before you go blithely sailing up.

Tarasovka

19-11-2003, 13:24

The Tinctures are and have been there IC. There's actually quite a bit of stuff there, so you might want to have a think about hailing the assembled before you go blithely sailing up.

OOC: I have nothing against Ruhrian ships being intercepted. I only want it to be done ICly, by RP'ing, and not just a small OOC comment.
That is all. Is it so difficult to accomplish? :roll:

New York and Jersey

19-11-2003, 14:19

OOC:Post with the deployment of my ships, so no one complains.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88155&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

IC:
With any possibility for a wargame over, and Skagarden having been scared back into the CACE, the 2nd Battlegroup of the 1st Federal Navy was about to pack up its bags and return home. However another situation developed and to Admiral Kingston if it wasnt one thing it was always another. Looking over his orders he wondered to himself "Okay we do this, and what next?" The Carrier Battlegroup had turned and left Skargarden soverign waters however they were now steaming at flank speed toward the Knootian Island which had been made a colony sometime ago.

Back in the Federal Republic two dissenting voices began to appear, those who believed SATO should focus on CACE and those who believed that CACE was not the right target for SATOs crosshairs. The deployment of the Ohio class SSBNs was clear evidence that President de los Santos acknowledged just how much the opposition group was gaining power in terms of the current majority who believed that CACE was now the current evil.

The 2nd Battlegroup would take a day or so to arrive within visable distance of the island, however the Carrier launched aircraft were well in range, and on deck of the lead vessel the FSRN Saint, a Nimitz class Carrier, two F/A-18E Super Hornets were locked onto the catapults. Once launched they would proceed toward the island which the Knootians were calling theirs. The F/A-18Es carried a mixed weapons load two AGM-85C Harpoons,two AGM-65 Mavericks and for self defense two AIM-9F Sidewinders. Of course no one hoped that any of those weapons would have to be used.

Seocc

19-11-2003, 14:34

fine.

TINCTURES ARE MOVING TO INTERCEPT RUHR SHIP.

this has been an in character post of obvious information.

Free Outer Eugenia

19-11-2003, 17:23

The deployment of the Ohio class SSBNs was clear evidence that President de los Santos acknowledged just how much the opposition group was gaining power in terms of the current majority who believed that CACE was now the current evil.
The CACE is an international cooperative economic network, not a military allaince.
Having noticed the political situation in the The Federal Republic, we invite the leaders of this oposition to explain just how the CACE is 'the current evil.'

-Jaques Chan
of the University Collective at Port Bakunin

Seocc

19-11-2003, 19:05

The Tinctures, the Cobalt and the Lead for those keeping track (can you name all eight kiddies?), have gone full ECM/EDW, focusing a tight radar jamming beam at the incoming Ruhr vessel. A seperate radio broadcast is sent:

'To incoming vessel, alter your course and remain in international waters. The territory you are approaching is still Skargardenian and entering their waters will be an act of war. Again, alter course and remain in international waters.'

Skargarden

19-11-2003, 20:05

Message to the Ruhrian vessel

"This is Skargarden naval commando, your ship is moving towards Skargarden territorial waters, you are not qualified to do so please alter your course or give reasonable explenation to what you're doing there - any failure to do so and entering Skargardenian waters will result in further warnings and finally unless the course is altered we're going to see this as an act of war and retaliate"

While speaking 2 missile boats known as the SKS Sjobjorn and SKS Demoleraren with 2 modified anti-ship helicopters left the harbor veturing against the Ruhrian ship.

Knootoss

19-11-2003, 20:49

atOOC @Everyone:
RPwise i would like to take this thread slow until Skar and I had a chance to talk. At this point, we really need to talk things over IMHO and I'm sure our governments would too.

OOC @Thirtycaliber
Please check your telegrams again. I replied.

OOC @SeOCC
Actually that was quite funny. Touché. :wink:

OOC @Biotopia
To address Biotopia's point. (I think I get it now - the first message was a bit garbled)

We've done nothing but compromise so far. Originally there were going to be bases and a Knootian taskforce in Skargarden permanently. Sea Orc sent TGs and Skargarden asked to remove, we complied. Originally Skar was going to join SATO. SeOCC sent another TG and I did not kick up trouble. Now he *apparently* wants to end our alliance, though he did not post it, while he does want to allow my troops on what should be his island. Which is inconsistent as hell with dissolving an alliance I might point out. However you did not even hear me protest. I'm willing to talk lots of compromise and have done so in the past. I have been compromising my *ss off for half a year with you guys. Sea Orc refuses any kind of compromise whatsoever and just keeps asking more and more and more. However now Skar DEMANDS the island back threateningly implying even war. Now it appears he is going to intercept a ship of one of my allies. And this is where I draw the line of compromise.

This time, we stand our ground.

We will not be cornered or bullied into giving up this island, OUR island, not by Skargarden, not by the CACE. You could simply accept that it is there and just leave it at that. No problem for you then eh? I have done more then my fair share of giving in already. It is time you accept it. It is now sovereign Knootian territory and you aren’t touching it.

And on a possibly even more personal note, and also in answer to FOE: I would like you to think of this too: I have always deliberately opened weaknesses, I RP a nation and a people that is at least not perfect. My characters have flaws, and sometimes I even deliberately lose. Why? Because it is fun. I would have gone with that too with FOE’s think because it is a cool idea but this ‘illegal’ stuff really did it. You only play to win here, and frankly I’m not going to back down in the interest of ‘fun’ again when clearly nobody of you guys is planning on giving me a break once in a while instead of wanting everything. I mean, god, you pretend as if your nations and people are all shiny and perfect. I have been planning the colony RP for months now. I put a lot of effort in it and I even changed the location to Skargarden TO ACCOMMODATE YOU OOCLY because of your ‘map’ problem. I won’t go with obstructionist tactic #312 pulled out of some old ‘godmoding without godmoding’ trick book.

Also, I would like to refrain from using insults in foreign languages. I warn you that being Dutch I know quite a few. I consider that last remark flaming but unlike some people I won't cry mod over it.

Finally, I checked and would like to note that that my bed (a ‘naval’ antique) was actually made right here in the Netherlands by professionals a long time ago. For a decent wage I might add. What are you sleeping on? :)

Bio: please reply per telegram and try to remember that I am a human being too.

Anyways, perhaps it wasn’t clear enough so for both of you I'll give an added IC explanation for both Celdonia and Biotopia regarding the speech. - However I have explained the 'why' of the island numerous times in multiple posts. I won't do it again. If you don't want to believe that IC explanation just believe that its because we are treasure hunting.

During the debate that night, before Lousewies' conclusion.

Femke Halsema, leader of the green KGP stepped forward. Her long black curly hair was hanging a bit. She politely asked Galadriël: "but won't such a response be perceived as hostile? I mean, it does appear like gearing up for war."

Galadriël looked down and sighed slightly, inaudibly, "The Skargardians are now apparently demanding the return of this island. As we discussed this is clearly not an option. We have made this clear to the Skargardian government repeatedly and until recently they have been conveying the same message.

Now, when they were just asking we would simply negotiate with them again. We have done so many times before. But this time it is different, as there does not seem to be room for negotiation. Well, we have to convince the Skargardians to make that room because we will not be bullied into giving in. Secondly, we need to prepare for the possibility that Skargarden desires conflict... the risk for or soldiers currently there..."

Boris Dittrich stood next to the microphone and nodded. However he felt he needed to interrupt here:
"Especially when they speak of an 'act of war'. Such things are always to be taken very seriously. Even if it turns out to be a hollow threat. We must hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. I just wanted to say that the SLP supports the policy line as it is set out but we urge for talks to be held."

Galadriël nodded curtly: "Noted. I can assure the SLP leader that we will not be the ones to initiate any form of conflict."

Now the conservative Bolkestein thrusted forwards towards the mikes:
"But surely you prepare for such an event?", he asked the state-secretary of his party."

She replied shortly. "We always prepare Mr. Bolkestein. Especially with the words 'act of war' on the table." Then she reviewed a small note that was slid in her direction: "I would like to take Mrs. Halsema's question regarding the deployment of Railguns on the island to the minister of Defence, this is not within my portfolio. ..."

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Unencrypted return message to Der Angst:

Thank you for your suggestion to use the New Collateral World Court as a means of settling this crisis. The state-secretary of Development Affairs had already suggested such a course of action. Indeed talk is the best way to resolve this situation

However we believe that we should try to solve these troubles bilaterally first. We would like to achieve a mutually acceptable solution, creating a win-win situation for both nations. Should negotiations fail we still consider the world court a viable option and we have every confidence that we shall get our way there.

Our only concern is with the Ur government, which seems to be more isolationist as of late. However I’m sure we can arrange for some court to be set up. We further hope that we can rely on the Angstian government to support our case if it comes to court.

~some high official

EDIT:
- a flamy remark
+lay out
OOC: I'll reply to the interception too...

Seocc

19-11-2003, 21:15

We will not be cornered or bullied into giving up this island, OUR island, not by Skargarden, not by the CACE. You could simply accept that it is there and just leave it at that. No problem for you then eh? I have done more then my fair share of giving in already. It is time you accept it. It is now sovereign Knootian territory and you aren’t touching it.

ooc: let me give you a quick crash course in contract law.

my parents own a house outside of Seattle in a hole called DuPont. it's owned jointly, in both my mother's and my father's name. if my father wanted to sell the house, went out and advertised, met with a buyer, agreed upon a price, took money as a down payment, even signed over the deed, all without telling my mother she could walk in at any time and simply say 'no' because legally both parties that own the house must agree as to its fate.

Skargarden has stated, in character, that the laws of his nation require all bodies of the government to agree, and he's saying, in character, that the council and parliment (if i recall those are the names of the bodies) were not consulted. so the deal CANNOT be valid for the same reason my dad cannot sell the house without my mother's permission.

Skargarden is not demanding the island back, it's his, it was never sold, just like the guy my dad signed the deed of the house over to never actually owned it. this is contract law, it's the foundation of liberalism, and you don't have any ground to stand on. you told me in a fit of something that i can't say what other countries look like; well Skargarden's made it clear how his government runs, now you need to respect that.

Skargarden has also said he's not nixing this deal completely, he listed three new qualifications for the deal. now i see this as a huge compromise on his part and on Aperin's part, since most of the CACE doesn't want you having any presence on the continent. what you don't get is that we're not willing participants here, you're forcing us into RPing with you when we've said time and time again we don't want to. what you're encountering now is the frustration that comes with being forced to do something we really really really do not want to do.

so take the new deal, your colonists will have an island, we'll have peace, and then we can go back to not speaking at all, which is better for stress levels all around.

and stop calling me Sea Orc. it's not funny any more.

Knootoss

19-11-2003, 21:53

*sigh* Did you even read my post?

*points to other thread for 'contract law' reply.*

Too bad for your stress level. You could just leave the situation as it is. Then there would be colonists on a Knootian island and you would not have to deal with them anyway. The only way something is going to happen is if you start kicking up trouble.

You forced power politics on us all the time, so don't start with this. This game does not merely revolve around you having a good time. I'm not ASKING for your attention here.

I will stop calling you that name if you agree to do the same. On the CACE boards too, you do it all the time and they are a LOT less polite. So I'm willing to do that but don't be such a hypocrite.

Knootoss

19-11-2003, 22:30

Knootian central command
“They’re moving again”; shouted the tactical officer assigned with watching the SeOCC patrols that had been hanging around like vultures around the Knootian Island for the last days.

“Plot course? Time to intercept?” asked a woman in a crisp Knootian colonel uniform.

“Unknown… please wait ma’am… let me just… there, done. Here is a printout.”

The officer handed his superior a small leaflet with the relevant data on it. (OOC: ?) She read it, and it was true, the ships appeared to be heading towards the superfreighter Kittridge

The colonel looked worried, this could mean trouble. After all, while the cargo was perfectly legal she knew her orders not to poke in a fire to prevent enflaming it. Appeasing political doctrine , she sighed. Because with all the ‘war’ threats of recent days she wanted to be damn sure to be able to defend the island. ”Then again it could just be nothing.”, she concluded. She kept her cool as she went over to the adjoining comm. station.

“Hail the Ruhrian freighter”, she commanded.

“They have initiated jamming Ma’am, and have activated Electronic defences!”

She cursed silently but kept her cool. In her expression, she merely raised an eyebrow. “Odd.” As if it was the most ordinary of questions she continued: “What do we have to work with in the area right now?”

“Subs, mainly”, replied the tactical officer. “The submarines Zeewolf and the Dolfijn are within range to intercept, arriving at roughly the same time as the SeOCC ships. The Ruhrian vessel Hamburg is also escorting the freighter Ma’am.”

The colonel sighed. ”Would that be enough?”

The tactical officer had guessed her thoughts: “The cruiser Tromp is roughly two hours away”, he hesitated for a moment, “And we could launch some planes as well.”

“Very well. Tell the Tromp to alter course and order the launch of two fighter wings. Sent them on a patrol route nearby. Do not go for a direct intercept. Inform the Hamburg we are coming and apprise our allies of the situation.

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Consider the Eurofighters launched, and the course of the ships altered. You can probably only detect the cruiser being on an intercept course at this time but she’ll arrive long after you will.

Allies and Ruhrs submarine are now ICly informed too.

OOC: I already posted Knootoss would watch these ships when you first said they would be patrolling. And why are you going after this specific vessel? Do you have any IC information that it’s special? :S

Ruhr

19-11-2003, 22:45

OOC: DUDE! THE HAMBURG IS SECRET IC INFORMATION! AND SO IS THE RAILGUNS! FOR ALL YOU GUYS FREAIN KNOW, THERE IS ONLY FREAKIN HUMANITARIAN AID ON THE VESSEL!

And Seocc, I will not dignify your RP with a response since you have more time to write OOC essays about IC gameplay and consider that IC information.

And I really like how all of you CACE people like ot RP for me, meaning that my vessel somehow is going to cross your waters when I have not explained its arrival fully. Once again, Seocc, your actions are illegal ;) since this is a civilian vessel and all.

Message to the Ruhrian vessel

"This is Skargarden naval commando, your ship is moving towards Skargarden territorial waters, you are not qualified to do so please alter your course or give reasonable explenation to what you're doing there - any failure to do so and entering Skargardenian waters will result in further warnings and finally unless the course is altered we're going to see this as an act of war and retaliate"

While speaking 2 missile boats known as the SKS Sjobjorn and SKS Demoleraren with 2 modified anti-ship helicopters left the harbor veturing against the Ruhrian ship.

The radio crackled a response to the Skargardenese, "Civilian Superfreighter Kittridge transfering humanitarian aid to Knootian colonists. We are hauling medical equipment, food, building materials and various other supplies. No weapons or ammunition are being transfered." The man shook his head, this was getting frusterating.

Not only were there various warships approaching the Kittridge, but there was also an electronic jam that just came on and cut off all other communications.

"Captain, we are being jammed! We lost all communications and radar!"

The captain's face went white, the ship cannot operate if they lost all communications especially when there were missile boats running hot at them. "Full stop! Do we still have use of the ELF?"

"Yes sir, ELF is operational!"

"Transfer a message to the Hamburg: We are being jammed. Hostiles moving in."

Seocc

19-11-2003, 22:50

ooc: i am approaching Ruhr's ship because it is the first ship that has been RPed approaching the island since Skargarden reasserted the island as part of his territory. and because if you enter his waters (or, aguendo, the waters he claims as his) he will fire on you and start a war. if your super secret transimission (which could never have been intercepted by an organization that monitors all the networks of its enemies) had said the freighter was full of lollipops i would have done the same BECAUSE YOU'D STILL START A WAR BY ENTERING HIS WATERS. that's it.

as for illegal, i'm telling them to move so they won't start a war, telilng people stuff isn't illegal. and what the hell is an ELF? i'm assuming you're not an eco-terrorist. either way, we're not jamming your radio, just radar. if i had jammed your radio how could i have radioed you the warning?

Knootoss

19-11-2003, 23:08

OOC: I still consider the island Knootian sovereign territory and so does Ruhr. We won't be the ones starting the shooting or the boarding. Just so you know. Also as a note: there are already Knootian vessels lying around the island and Knootian soldiers on it.
~Knoot

Anhierarch

20-11-2003, 02:03

Northwest of Frederick's Island

We have arrived.

The Commodore gazes at the distant speck on the horizon that was Frederick's Island. As much as he loved the sea, he liked to get his feet on solid ground every now and then.

He walks out of the air-conditioned bridge, feeling the playful caress of the sea air over his weathered features. He listens to the sound of the roaring waters, the thrumming of the turbine and silently he offers his gratitude to the ocean at large. It was no mere mass of water to him - it had acquired personality, temperament.

Silhouetted in the vivid flame of the setting sun, he sees the other ships of the battlegroup, all several kilometers away. Closing his eyes, he imagines the sleek lines of the submarines, gliding through the cold embrace of the waters.

Re entering the bridge, he signals to a radio operator.

"Get a message to Frederick's Island. Tell 'em we're coming."

Xikuang

20-11-2003, 02:33

ooc: Angry post warning.

Knoot:

I know I'll get called a puppet for saying this. I'm going to say it anyway, because I don't care. Skargarden is perfectly within their rights to declare the contract null and void. Skargarden is within their rights to establsh law in their country. Skargarden has declared the contract null. The contract is null.

I don't want to hear another word about compromise. We have compromised: I offered talks. They were dropped. We offered sanctuary for the people comprising the colony. You insisted on the colony. We're working with Skargarden over IC lines, just like you. For some reason you refuse to acknowledge that we have any IC import. We stepped down military alert after the counterespionage exposé. You moved in troops and accused us of preparing for war. You are ignoring contract law, which is established. Crucially, you are ignoring that none of us want anything more to do with this. We're sick of it. We want a rest.

Speaking for myself, you made me very, very angry a while back, and I just wanted some time to cool down, so that I could RP with you sensibly in the future. You have not allowed me that time, but have continued to hound and badger us, and me, through this. It's been made abundantly clear that we are not willing to deal with whatever you have planned for this, and I don't care how many hours you've put into planning it. Do you have any idea how much time we spent discussing what we were going to do once the ships reached Aperinian waters? A lot. But you landed them and set up the colony without allowing us a chance to participate in something with which we have been involved from the start. I protested, and you called me an insensitive bitch. I'm tired of this. This is supposed to be a game. It's supposed to be fun. This isn't fun. I'm not enjoying myself here. And if you want to say that sometimes things happen that I won't like, I counter: I have always roleplayed the things that have happned that I didn't like, and I've done the reading too. Something's happening you don't like. Go brush up on your contract law. SeOCC has studied it. He might-- just might-- be willing to give you a reading list.

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