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http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_img/rv_poster_apu.jpg

I intend to develop a Giant Robotic Infantry Machine or GRIM for short, based on this matrix machine.

My question to you nationstaters is anyone using this yet?

My version will have an enclosed pilot & not an exposed one like in the movie :P

An Aelosian WarWalker looks similar, but more stilized...

http://www.gamesworkshop.com/40kuniverse/citadelminiatures/eldar/eldar_Heavy_Support/images/EldarWarWalker.gif

Anyway, good idea...

I was going to, but it looks like you beat me to it :D

An Aelosian WarWalker looks similar, but more stilized...
Anyway, good idea...

Exposed pilot = soft kills........I'm going to call the picture a prototype & the final one will exist in stat form only (unless someone with talent can draw a cool pic of it :P )

I haven't seen anyone using it.

I was going to, but it looks like you beat me to it :D

Share cost to design it?

I am in . 50/50 split on costs ?

I am in . 50/50 split on costs ?

Ummm more me 60 you 40 with me as main holder of design (I have investors I want to contact).

The final design being not for sale, but the prototype might be (the picture is the prototype).

Could i get in on designing it?

Could i get in on designing it?

hmmmm sure if you buy a share from me or Celeborne.

I have 4 shares for sale at $10 million a share (max 1 per nation, no puppets plz).

Ok.... *writes check for 10 million*

I am in . 50/50 split on costs ?

Ummm more me 60 you 40 with me as main holder of design (I have investors I want to contact).

The final design being not for sale, but the prototype might be (the picture is the prototype).

Alright, all I want is production rights for my own nation, and a cut of sales (say 5% until the inital investment is covered and then down to 2% of net) .

What is the initial investment ?

Thinking guns will be a Gatling-type rotary cannon capable of firing high explosive and armor piercing shell. The armor piercing for tanks & other hard targets, while the HE rounds are for soft targets such as people, vehicles, supply dumps etc.

You'll want the likes of the Avenger cannon, then. Eats conventional armor for breakfast.

Twin .50 cal mini guns, with variable ammo packs (so they can switch). There is room on the shoulders for grenade launchers ,and I would like an HUD with lots of info available to the pilot, and a targeting scope. Heck , you could even put a stinger missle on one of the shoulders.

I am in . 50/50 split on costs ?

Ummm more me 60 you 40 with me as main holder of design (I have investors I want to contact).

The final design being not for sale, but the prototype might be (the picture is the prototype).

Alright, all I want is production rights for my own nation, and a cut of sales (say 5% until the inital investment is covered and then down to 2% of net) .

What is the initial investment ?

Production rights go to all share holders, each share is worth $10 million each so your initial investment would be $400 million (unless you sell some of the shares).

As for sales (and return on investment) I say once the product is finish we hold a bidding process amongst investors to see who will sell them (the prototypes) on the market with the investment returns decided on in the success full bid (With you & I deciding who wins the bid.)

Sound ok?

Bobaria you have bought yourself a share.

I think that sounds fair and just. 400 million has been invested from Nivencorp of Celeborne.

.50 caliber? No, those're just machine guns. You want rotary cannon, 30mm at least.

Twin .50 cal mini guns, with variable ammo packs (so they can switch). There is room on the shoulders for grenade launchers ,and I would like an HUD with lots of info available to the pilot, and a targeting scope. Heck , you could even put a stinger missle on one of the shoulders.

Don't worry about design at the momment (I gotta start a proper thread for it), but I can assure you that I was thinking of using my micro missile SAM on 1 or both of the shoulders (it holds 3 missiles).


ok gotta go & get tea, I will be back soon. (2 to 3 hours at the most)

Please post the new thread when you get ready. This looks like fun.

.50 caliber? No, those're just machine guns. You want rotary cannon, 30mm at least.

Indeed I was thinking of the 30mm of the thunderbolt 2 (or warthog) as the minimum size.

.50 caliber? No, those're just machine guns. You want rotary cannon, 30mm at least.

Indeed I was thinking of the 30mm of the thunderbolt 2 (or warthog) as the minimum size.

Precisely the cannon I recommended.

Count me in. The legs look similar to our Horde Suits.

Neralli did you want to buy a share for $10 million?

Anyway current investors:-
Slagkattunger:- 52%
Celeborne:- 40% (unless he sell's some of)
Sakkra:- 1%
Bobaria:- 1%
open:- 3% advalable

Cyberutopia:- yet to claim
Giadenk:- yet to claim
Resi Corporation:- yet to claim

ooc: yeah, sorta. However, we couldn't care less if anyone else uses them: better people use moderatly realistic walkers then those flying transmogrifying gundam's of d00m. We've been using an enhanced version of the APU for ages (since about july) as our primary urban defence weapon. The only major change are the pilot's seat enclosure, and the seat hook ups for the pilot's manditory presure suit. And, just so ya know, the movie's website pegs those guns as a pair of fully automatic, independant 30mm cannons. Enjoy!

OOC: If anyone doesn't snap it up, i'll take up the slack on shares.

I'll get in and pay an extra million if I can put my ad on the side!

*writes check for 11 million and sits anxiously* 8)

No, thank you; we are already conducting preliminary research on battlemovers of our own. Still, we do thank you for your offer.

I'll get in and pay an extra million if I can put my ad on the side!

*writes check for 11 million and sits anxiously* 8)

You can........on your own units :P

Anyway current investors:-
Slagkattunger:- 52%
Celeborne:- 40% (unless he sell's some of)
Sakkra:- 1%
Bobaria:- 1%
Lopikland:- 1%
open:- 2% advalable

Cyberutopia:- yet to claim
Giadenk:- yet to claim
Resi Corporation:- yet to claim

Ah competators........don't you just love em.

Going to be slightly diferrent to the other version produced by Vortex & Co.

I should hope so. We need some good pics.

Our design team has been hard at work and we have a concept for the enclosed model

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/apu/rv_img/article_rv_adam_01_01.jpg

The frame in the design stages
http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/apu/rv_img/article_rv_adam_04_02a.gif

The design team with completed frame

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/apu/rv_img/article_rv_adam_02_01a.gif

ooc:- Your welcome to search for better, heres the prototype pic

http://www.users.on.net/killerkoala/grim.JPG

Basic info for final version so far (And with the competion this will be avaliable now):-

6 meters tall
2 30 mm or better (haven't decided yet) gatling type guns
4 ammo bins (2 per side) Ammo weight:- still undecided
2 Micro-Missile SAM launchers (1 each side) 3 rounds
1 Grenade launcher (left) 30 rounds
Enclosed pilot cockpit
Armor:- haven't a clue.....celeborne you got an idea? a composite armor would protect against HEAT rounds.
A Advance A.I. system to monitor unit status.(unable to override pilot)
Radar:- Ground & air
Infrared system
Air filtration system, with 12 hours supply of air for under water/ vaccum use.
Environmental system to keep the pilot comfortable (the use of a space suit is reconmended for space operations)
A HUD which is tied into the A.I. which can highlight targets & other points of interest.

Thats all I got so far.

this one is ready to go.
http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/apu/rv_img/apu_onsetrp_06.jpg

OUCH! Thats gonna be one tough battle armour :P.
Clan Chaos Kestrel being slightly Battletech based has similar stuff, only they're mechs :P
Maybe someday we'll see how they fare against your Armoured Personnel Units.....

{UP}Kaos Kestrel
www.unitedpowers.cjb.net

I like what you have. Sorry about all the pics I just wanted to get them up. As for armor, I think an ablative tile shell over the composit would work well with extra strength over a few vital areas.

For the water model we should add 4 1,500 cc 4 stroke water jet engines on the back.

we could also add a small machine gun (.50 cal mini gun) on the back to prevent sneak attacks.

Headlights could also be mounted as an option. Or infrared.

Or infrared.i would have thought that was pretty much mandatory

ooc:- As you can see Celeborne ours isn't being rushed into service like our competition & hence has more features. It's bigger & hence proberly only do 20 km per hour (hang on I check this), but might be better equiped. Think of a more assult version, speed sacrfice for performance.

Reason for speed reduction is my land is mainly forest & hills/ mountains, plus 6 meters is just small enough to pass through my nation tunnels.

My machine's are slightly different.

Our mainstay Anti-Tank machine:

http://www.kronos.custard.org/pics/misc-atst.jpg

And our APUs:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/books/egvv/atpt1.jpg

(just wanted to post some pics... :wink: but on the topic of your APU, no i haven't seen anyone use them at all actually)

ooc:- As you can see Celeborne ours isn't being rushed into service like our competition & hence has more features. It's bigger & hence proberly only do 20 km per hour (hang on I check this), but might be better equiped. Think of a more assult version, speed sacrfice for performance.

Reason for speed reduction is my land is mainly forest & hills/ mountains, plus 6 meters is just small enough to pass through my nation tunnels.

I understand, and agree. There should be some differances.

I like what you have. Sorry about all the pics I just wanted to get them up. As for armor, I think an ablative tile shell over the composit would work well with extra strength over a few vital areas.

For the water model we should add 4 1,500 cc 4 stroke water jet engines on the back.

we could also add a small machine gun (.50 cal mini gun) on the back to prevent sneak attacks.

Headlights could also be mounted as an option. Or infrared.

It won't float so the motors won't be effective, plus the machine gun won't be necessary as you'll find they are quite agile. But I will add rear facing cameras so the pilot can monitor the rear.

Standard highbeam headlight on the head in the middle, following the pilot gaze. (infra red is already part of the system).

An Aelosian WarWalker looks similar, but more stilized...

http://www.gamesworkshop.com/40kuniverse/citadelminiatures/eldar/eldar_Heavy_Support/images/EldarWarWalker.gif

Anyway, good idea...

If you say that you are able to build something like that, our great nation is williong to request you a fair cotation for 100 pices with terms of delivery. Also we are intrested in building this weapon in our region, but this is beter to discuss it private. I hope we will recive you telegram soon.

If you say that you are able to build something like that, our great nation is williong to request you a fair cotation for 100 pices with terms of delivery. Also we are intrested in building this weapon in our region, but this is beter to discuss it private. I hope we will recive you telegram soon.

ooc:- Please TG Aelosia with that request, this is the prelude to GRIM development.

How about an ejection system ? And custom paint jobs.

How about an ejection system ? And custom paint jobs.

Hmm no.... take too much engineering to work that in, plus the pilot will be killed if he hits an over hanging tree limbs or if he is in a tunnel.

As to custom paint jobs...that is up to the nation that owns it.

Unless you have Nano-paint? then you could change it by sending a command pulse to the nano controlled pigments. My scientist haven't developed this yet...it's a theory within the camo department.

We have active camo systems, which is basicly nanopianter hooked up to a fiberoptic camera system. Works great if you are standing still, gives you a blurry outline if you are moving.

Would you like me to copyright this on the copyright thread ?

We have active camo systems, which is basicly nanopianter hooked up to a fiberoptic camera system. Works great if you are standing still, gives you a blurry outline if you are moving.

Would you like me to copyright this on the copyright thread ?

Inregards to the paint...na it will drive up costs.

as to the copyright of the GRIM make sure you mention the agreement with our competators & include them in the copyright (other than that ya do it.)

Oh here's the missile system I mentioned.
Slagkattunger Surface to Air Micro-Missile
http://www.users.on.net/killerkoala/SAMM.JPG
Range:- 10 Kilometers
Missile Speed:- 1645 Kmph
Warhead:- High Explosive
Blast Radius:- 1.2 meters
Tracking System:- Infra Red seeking
Notes:- Main targets are Helecoptors, other VTOL's & low flying Aircraft.

Lets go with the proven ten-barrelled Slagkattungerian 30 mm Gatling-type rotary cannon & cooling system that allows continuous fire of 2,100 rpm (it could do 4,200 rpm but it would run out of ammo too quickly).

BAh for the guns you really want the 35mm millenium gun.

or of course a 20-30mm gatling ETC gun would work (they have a rapid fire 30mm ETC thats in development for the bradley and the striker)

BAh for the guns you really want the 35mm millenium gun.

or of course a 20-30mm gatling ETC gun would work (they have a rapid fire 30mm ETC thats in development for the bradley and the striker)

Pardon me. But as it has already been agreed that the cannon were to be rotary, or "Gatling-style", this comment seems...out of place.

BAh for the guns you really want the 35mm millenium gun.

or of course a 20-30mm gatling ETC gun would work (they have a rapid fire 30mm ETC thats in development for the bradley and the striker)

The 30 mm is a proven gun plus it is lighter than a 35 mm, further more ETC technology is more expensive.

We'd be interrested in buying a share in the production. Money will be wired on confirmation.

Anyway current investors:-
Slagkattunger:- 52%
Celeborne:- 40% (unless he sell's some of)
Sakkra:- 1%
Bobaria:- 1%
Lopikland:- 1%
Wyrmberg:- 1%
open:- 1% advalable

Cyberutopia:- yet to claim
Giadenk:- yet to claim
Resi Corporation:- yet to claim

I will take the last share. You should do numbers, not percents, that way you can split stocks and have some left to sell. Anyways, we are only intereseted in the prototype, we have our own ideas as to what to do with it and would rather not drag you into the rather demented world of Takian R&D.

Copyright has been applied for. We shallsee what happens.

OOC: w00T 4000 posts !!!

I will take the last share. You should do numbers, not percents, that way you can split stocks and have some left to sell. Anyways, we are only intereseted in the prototype, we have our own ideas as to what to do with it and would rather not drag you into the rather demented world of Takian R&D.

The share is for the final product...if you want the prototype stage go else where, may I suggest Vortex Corporation version for a more basic model.

I wish to inquire if training for piloting the APUs will be included in the package. I have thus far assumed that training is not included. If it is not, i would like to set up an academy that will teach pilots to pilot battle armour and APUs for all parties.

{UP}Kaos Kestrel
www.unitedpowers.cjb.net

I wish to inquire if training for piloting the APUs will be included in the package. I have thus far assumed that training is not included. If it is not, i would like to set up an academy that will teach pilots to pilot battle armour and APUs for all parties.

{UP}Kaos Kestrel
www.unitedpowers.cjb.net

I call these units GRIM's and as to training...well that part has yet to be decided on, but I would assume that sales of the units would include training of a small group of personnel from your nation. These people would then form the core of your teaching academy for your troops in your nation.

Gradenk would like to have a stake in this joint Project. We would like to buy a share of this project.


<wires money for cost of share >

We again reiterate our support for the armour for this new venture.

Regards,
Gradenk

Gradenk you have already "payed" so you don't need to wire any money (excess sent back).

Slagkattunger:- 52%
Celeborne:- 40% (unless he sell's some of)
Sakkra:- 1%
Gradenk:- 1%
Bobaria:- 1%
Lopikland:- 1%
Wyrmberg:- 1%
open:- 1% advalable

Cyberutopia:- yet to claim
Resi Corporation:- yet to claim

And could you please repost your armor here so the other investors can see & debate whether to use it or not.

i would also like in on the reasearch and devolopment on this project. 10million? ok, money sent

.50 caliber? No, those're just machine guns. You want rotary cannon, 30mm at least.

I'd say twin 50mm rotating autocanons. Have them fire slugs too. That'll hurt like a mother.

Typing up proper post now, just a few things I need to clear first.

What power system are we using? I figure enough power for continuous use for 72 hours more than that without support.....well your people screwed up.

How many rounds are we using? considering each round weights 2 lbs or 0.91 kg. Our opposition say's they can fire 5-10 minutes without stop...a hefty 38 tons of ammo for 10 minutes.

Do we go for 5 minutes for approx 19.05 tons of ammo with each of the 4 bins holding approx 4.763 tons each? thats a whopping 10,500 rounds per gun with a fire rate of 2,100 rounds per minute. And since most pilots would fire the guns for short burst of about 2 to 4 seconds that would last them a very long time.

Slagkattunger:- 52%
Celeborne:- 40% (unless he sell's some of)
Sakkra:- 1%
Gradenk:- 1%
Bobaria:- 1%
Lopikland:- 1%
Wyrmberg:- 1%
Syncomp15: - 1%

Cyberutopia:- yet to claim
Resi Corporation:- yet to claim

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Do we go for 5 minutes for approx 19.05 tons of ammo with each of the 4 bins holding approx 4.763 tons each? thats a whopping 10,500 rounds per gun with a fire rate of 2,100 rounds per minute. And since most pilots would fire the guns for short burst of about 2 to 4 seconds that would last them a very long time.

i think that would be really heavy, using up lots of fuel. say, what again was powering this?

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Do we go for 5 minutes for approx 19.05 tons of ammo with each of the 4 bins holding approx 4.763 tons each? thats a whopping 10,500 rounds per gun with a fire rate of 2,100 rounds per minute. And since most pilots would fire the guns for short burst of about 2 to 4 seconds that would last them a very long time.

i think that would be really heavy, using up lots of fuel. say, what again was powering this?

Don't know...it's not modern tech, I'm still waiting to see an explaination from my competators on how much they have in rounds. Remember it can only do 20 km per hour max so it is not for rapid assault, it's more defensive which is what I need.

Edit:- Personnally I think 4,200 rounds for each gun (thats 2 minutes) is more than enough...but I gotta keep up with the competition.

ok, but it still needs a powerfull enough power plant just to carry the ammo alone. never mind how much this thing is going to get in armor.
(ooc: since i never saw the new movie , i have never seen this thing actaully in action) hmmm, i got an idea, what if we were to make it hover? it could travel more tarain types. even though it is used in defense, you never really know where you need to defend.

ok, but it still needs a powerfull enough power plant just to carry the ammo alone. never mind how much this thing is going to get in armor.
(ooc: since i never saw the new movie , i have never seen this thing actaully in action) hmmm, i got an idea, what if we were to make it hover? it could travel more tarain types. even though it is used in defense, you never really know where you need to defend.

ooc:- In the movie they walked slowly but could spin ok.

No hover would need a bigger engine than legs, you be surprise how much weight legs can hold. And hover would have trouble in my nation, as the majority is rainforest or forest on hills and mountains.

hmm. i think this is why it's called research and devolopment. lol. but ok, legs it is then. what is the main power plant?

hmm. i think this is why it's called research and devolopment. lol. but ok, legs it is then. what is the main power plant?

Still developing, still developing the power plant (Nuclear, fussion, Eveready batteries?)

Ok it's nearly 2 am here, so this is a good night bump.

If possible, I'd like in on this. I have very smart people in my nation.

ok, but it still needs a powerfull enough power plant just to carry the ammo alone. never mind how much this thing is going to get in armor.
(ooc: since i never saw the new movie , i have never seen this thing actaully in action) hmmm, i got an idea, what if we were to make it hover? it could travel more tarain types. even though it is used in defense, you never really know where you need to defend.

ooc:- In the movie they walked slowly but could spin ok.

No hover would need a bigger engine than legs, you be surprise how much weight legs can hold. And hover would have trouble in my nation, as the majority is rainforest or forest on hills and mountains.

[Slowly - and clumsily. Them mofos would probably shatter anything but reinforced concrete under their feet, too.]

I'm not actually part of this R&D venture, but I'd just like to field a few ideas for this project anyways.

For guns and ammo, I would suggest a gaussian setup. While it may not be as basic and rugged as "modern" tech guns, it'll cut your wieght down considerable. Your rounds don't have to be as large for the same amount of penetration and stopping power. You save weight by eliminating shell casings and propellent. And the gun mechanism itself is somewhat simplified - not as many moving parts to jam. The downsides of course {as everything has a downside} is that you'll consume more power and therefore need a more robust powerplant. There's also the tech factor if you "don't have it yet", and guassian guns will eat through ammo like no tommorrow; so you'll need a butt load.

For a powerplant/energy source, I would suggest high density fuel cells. Think T3 for an example. You don't want to throw a nuclear or a fussion plant into what is bascially a vehicle. There is too much risk of reacotr damage, radiation leak, other nasty hazards. Thos items tend to be rather delicate when applied to combat situations. Thus, what you would want is an easily replaced powersource - which makes batteries of some sort to be the most logical solution.

For locomotion, the simpler you are, the better it is. Put the whole thing on a hover rack, and the tech complexity goes up exponentially. ou have to deal with even more power drain, stablization controls, weight distribution, etc, etc, the list goes on. I would suggest that you stick to legs. If the primary concern is to have a modile defense unit, then I would say the design should incorporate a very stable setup including at least three legs. The best resulst come from having four legs {any more, and it gets pretty redundant}. That allows you to balance on basically any terrain that will support the unit's weight, and resist impacts from return fire {won't fall over when a squidy hits it, see Matrix 3}. For increased mobility, you would probably want to go with two legs, although having four wouldn't slow you down. Having only two legs makes the unit less bulky, and thus able to access more areas than something larger.

If you like any of my ideas, just use them, I give them to you. Credit would be appreciated though :wink:

We will suggest our old standby of lithium-tritium powered generators with a collapsable solar array. It has served our Newt APCs in good stead, and the solar array provides power in a pinch.

The Community would very much like in on this project. We are ready to commit up to $400 million towards R&D.

We would like to provide our services as the only current manufacturer of Swarm Missiles. They have been proven and are used by everything in the Crimmond military from troops to Mechs to battleships.

Simply put, Swarms are dumbfire missiles that fire in large amounts to pepper the enemies armor or shileds in preperation for heavier weapons. The warheads are small, only designed to weaken defenses. They are nasty if used of unarmored troops though.

We can supply information on walking weapons. We are the only suppliers of the WBT-1 Rex (Metal Gear Solid's Rex) and are quite good at robotics in weapons systems.

We will suggest our old standby of lithium-tritium powered generators with a collapsable solar array. It has served our Newt APCs in good stead, and the solar array provides power in a pinch.

Sounds good...unless another investor has better batteries we will go with this.

Sketch good ideas but the basic design is set at 2 legs the guns are set...I have an idea on reducing ammo weight by using more advance materials.

Crimmond thank you for your offer but weapons have been determined....although the manufacturer of the GRIM's for sale may take you up on that offer for different versions (I'm only making units for domestic use, an investor will be making sale units.)

Sigma Octavus & Athamasha thanks for the offer...for $50 million I will sell you one of my shares in this as the open shares are all taken. (This will reduce my share holdings to 50% if you accept.)

Yes, we would like to buy stock in this piece of hardware.

Slagkattunger:- 51%
Celeborne:- 40% (unless he sell's some of)
Sakkra:- 1%
Gradenk:- 1%
Bobaria:- 1%
Lopikland:- 1%
Wyrmberg:- 1%
Syncomp15: - 1%
Sigma Octavus: - 1%

Cyberutopia:- yet to claim
Resi Corporation:- yet to claim

I see, well, if you ever need the missiles, for this project or others, feel free to give us a call. I'm sure we will be able to work something out.

I see, well, if you ever need the missiles, for this project or others, feel free to give us a call. I'm sure we will be able to work something out.

Sure thing.

Now for the armor:- This what Gradenk has

The Gradenk Nogra V-4 Material is a specially constructed composite, made out of titanium, interwoven with ceramic, silicons and platinums. The molecule structure is such that it could withstand a direct nuclear blast (slightly higher than the combined nuclear yield used in WW2 against Japan ).


Nogra - V4 Armour.
- Nuclear, chemical and biological Protection.
- EMP shielding
- light weight ( compared to larger tanks like M1A2 or other powerful variants )
- It can withstand a direct burst (in point blank range ) of upto 160mm Cannons and upto 65 mm machine gun fire.
- Aero-Gel packs to help absorp the impact of such force.

Shall I go with this?

The main post is nearly ready to post....just need the armor to be finalised by the investors before I post it.

The Gradenk Nogra V-6 Material is a specially constructed composite, made out of titanium, interwoven with ceramic, silicons and platinums. The molecule structure is such that it could withstand a direct nuclear blast (slightly higher than the combined nuclear yield used in WW2 against Japan ).


Nogra - V4 Armour.
- Nuclear, chemical and biological Protection.
- EMP shielding
- light weight ( compared to larger tanks like M1A2 or other powerful variants )
- It can withstand a direct burst (in point blank range ) of upto 160mm Cannons and upto 65 mm machine gun fire.
- Aero-Gel packs to help absorp the impact of such force.

OOC: Lookie what I made! Wheee! I'm getting OK at DOGA.

http://home.earthlink.net/~peterpank/APU.jpg

And the fully rendered version.

http://home.earthlink.net/~peterpank/APUrend.jpg

Cool stuff Sakra...Can it you put more lighting. Would like to see it in it's full splendour.

Regards,
Gradenk.

OOC: Slag, I posted the armor post again. I didn't realise that you would post too.

Comments on the armor please, thinking max armor thickness of 20 mm all over.

ooc:- Nice pics Sakkra, I suggest using that for you version of the GRIM (I see each nation modifying it to suit them.)

Heres the stats I got so far.

Giant Robotic Infantry Machine Statistics
Cost to Build for Slagkattunger: - $40 Million per unit.
Height: - 6 meters
Max Speed: - 20 km per hour
Armor: -
Power Supply: - Lithium-Tritium powered generators with a collapsible solar array, to provide recharging ability for emergencies or stand-by mode.
Weapon Systems
2 ten-barrelled Slagkattungerian 30 mm Gatling-type rotary cannon & cooling system that allows continuous fire of 2,100 rpm.
2 Micro-Missile SAM launchers (1 each side) 3 missiles per launcher
1 Grenade launcher (on left side of torso)
Ammunition Amount
4 ammo bins (2 per side)[list:8d2891caf9] 2 bins of High Explosive Rounds: - 5,250 rounds per bin. 2 bins of Armor Piercing Rounds: - 5,250 rounds per bin.
1 Grenade Ammo Bin (Left side, part of the grenade launcher): - 30 Smoke Rounds[/list:u:8d2891caf9]
Notes
The pilot is in a enclosed armoured cockpit, he/she sits in shock absorbing chair with a pull down harness. The pilot “sees” out by looking at a virtual reality screen that gives 180 degrees of vision of the outside, this is provided by an array of micro cameras around the cockpit. If the screen is inoperative the armor over the cockpit can be raised to allow manual vision of the surroundings. This is not recommended as the bullet proof glass cannot protect the pilot as well as the armor does, but is adequate in emergencies.
An Advance A.I. system is used to monitor the unit status. (Unable to override pilot)
A HUD system which is tied into the A.I. which can highlight targets & other points of interest.
The Armor Piercing Rounds are for tanks & other hard targets, while the HE Rounds are for soft targets such as people, vehicles, supply dumps etc. The pilot can switch between the two types of Rounds. Further more the ammunition is made from advance lightweight materials to reduce weight; please note that the AP rounds function like depleted uranium sabot rounds but do not contain depleted uranium.
Advanced Radar that can monitor ground & air activity with a range of 50 km
Infrared system to pickup heat sources within 10 km of the unit.
Rear facing cameras so the pilot can monitor the rear.
Standard high beam headlight on the head in the middle that can turn in the direction of the pilot gaze.
Air filtration system with 12 hours supply of air for under water/ vacuum use (the use of a space suit is recommended for space operations).
Environmental system to keep the pilot at a comfortable temperature, can be used to reduce the units Infrared signature if pilot can cope with the cold.
Standby mode is where the majority of systems are offline except for communications, Environmental and Air Filtration.

Like so?

http://home.earthlink.net/~peterpank/APU2.JPG

I'd go with a greater thickness. 40mm maybe. And reinforcing the cockpit, since that's where most will shoot anyway. And our version will be different than this one to compensate for .... physiological differences, and style choice. Heh heh heh heh ad infinitum.

hmmm how about 25 mm all over & 30 mm over the cockpit reason why = to much armor would slow it down too much.

please note that the AP rounds function like depleted uranium sabot rounds but do not contain depleted uranium.Uh... why not? (PLEASE tell me it's not because of that 'depleted uranium=radioactive=cancer' reason)

Side note investors.....if you want to do minor alterations to the weapon set up thats fine, I'm just posting the standard version for you all to work off.

please note that the AP rounds function like depleted uranium sabot rounds but do not contain depleted uranium.Uh... why not? (PLEASE tell me it's not because of that 'depleted uranium=radioactive=cancer' reason)

ooc:- 1 my nation does't use uranium at all so there is no supply.
My nation is "green" and the population would kick up if we did use it (so we developed a viable alternative).
It is belived by my people that the depleated uranium would harm the environment

This thing is slow, right? 20km per hour unless that has changed. So heavier armor will serve it well and round it out nicely. Light armor on a slow unit makes for a poor investment. Unless you want something that will shoot once and then catch alot of shells, lasers whatever.

please note that the AP rounds function like depleted uranium sabot rounds but do not contain depleted uranium.Uh... why not? (PLEASE tell me it's not because of that 'depleted uranium=radioactive=cancer' reason)

ooc:- 1 my nation does't use uranium at all so there is no supply.
My nation is "green" and the population would kick up if we did use it (so we developed a viable alternative).
It is belived by my people that the depleated uranium would harm the environment

Ah, then it sounds like tungsten or iridium penetrator rounds. Granted, those don't have the same autoincendiary effect, but they should serve.

This thing is slow, right? 20km per hour unless that has changed. So heavier armor will serve it well and round it out nicely. Light armor on a slow unit makes for a poor investment. Unless you want something that will shoot once and then catch alot of shells, lasers whatever.

Ok 30 mm all over & 40 mm around the cockpit...hows this?

Edit:- too thick & it will start to sink too much into the ground.

(Where do you get DOGA?)

(Where do you get DOGA?)

ooc:- do a search for it in technical.

That sounds good, but up the speed by 5kph though.


And you can get DOGA here (http://www.doga.co.jp/english/).

That sounds good, but up the speed by 5kph though.


And you can get DOGA here (http://www.doga.co.jp/english/).

Can't up the speed as the opposition fields a lighter unit and upping it by 5 would make it faster then theirs. ok I'm adding the armor to the discription.

(Got DOGA. :D )

Click here to go to final post (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91487)

We would like to provide our services as the only current manufacturer of Swarm Missiles. They have been proven and are used by everything in the Crimmond military from troops to Mechs to battleships.

Simply put, Swarms are dumbfire missiles that fire in large amounts to pepper the enemies armor or shileds in preperation for heavier weapons. The warheads are small, only designed to weaken defenses. They are nasty if used of unarmored troops though.

this I like, very much.

(note: moved form the other thread as requested.)

You DO know that all of your fancy high-tech additions to the basic unit would increase the cost from a reasonable 20 million to somewhere around 150 million? And let me tell you, most folks are interested in usefull quantity over quality, and since most of your additions do little to increase the performance of the vehical compared to cheaper alternatives (why have an expensive smart AI? Isn't a basic human-operated computer enough? Why have a huuuugely expensive micro-camera and VR system, when simple armoured vision slits work perfectly well?) If you charge less then 150-200 million per unit, I'd be shocked.

And yes, I know this is just a game :p

Thank you very much both for the suggestions and for moving over here.

(note: moved form the other thread as requested.)

You DO know that all of your fancy high-tech additions to the basic unit would increase the cost from a reasonable 20 million to somewhere around 150 million? And let me tell you, most folks are interested in usefull quantity over quality, and since most of your additions do little to increase the performance of the vehical compared to cheaper alternatives (why have an expensive smart AI? Isn't a basic human-operated computer enough? Why have a huuuugely expensive micro-camera and VR system, when simple armoured vision slits work perfectly well?) If you charge less then 150-200 million per unit, I'd be shocked.

And yes, I know this is just a game :p

In regards to the A.I. :- It allows the pilot to concentrate on combat rather than piloting the GRIM...for example todays fighter planes are way more advance (using computers to help fly them) than the first planes.
In regards to the camera vs slit vision:- Well better vision for ours and the reduced chance of a "lucky" hit penatrating the viewing slit.
As to cost....$40 million double your sales cost so ya your lookin at 45 + million to make a profit. But we are after the quality market rather than quantity market.

Well, of course, thing is, an onboard AI dosen't come cheap at all. I would have to say that the overall sort of system that you are providing is at LEAST the equivlent of a modern fighter jet, so should be priced accordingly. That said, I'm pretty sure 40 million is way undervalued, even as a production cost, let alone a sales one. See where I'm going?

And as for the camera vs slits, wonder why even modern tanks don't use such a system? The tiny opening may pose a tiny danger to the crew, but it will never break down, never be tricked by false images, and isn't vunerable to battle damage, and will continue to function so long as there is someone using them. Anyway, just some thoughts.

Well, of course, thing is, an onboard AI dosen't come cheap at all. I would have to say that the overall sort of system that you are providing is at LEAST the equivlent of a modern fighter jet, so should be priced accordingly. That said, I'm pretty sure 40 million is way undervalued, even as a production cost, let alone a sales one. See where I'm going?

And as for the camera vs slits, wonder why even modern tanks don't use such a system? The tiny opening may pose a tiny danger to the crew, but it will never break down, never be tricked by false images, and isn't vunerable to battle damage, and will continue to function so long as there is someone using them. Anyway, just some thoughts.

The AI might be expensive in your nation but it's cost is reasonable in our's.

Since the cameras report faithfully what is out side..I doubt false images would be more effective then usual (Even the human eye can be tricked.), and as I made note in the section where it appears..the armor can be moved to allowed visual inspection..it is just not reconmended. And the reason tanks don't use the system.....well that modern tech for ya, what happens in the near future is still unknown.

The AI might be expensive in your nation but it's cost is reasonable in our's.

Since the cameras report faithfully what is out side..I doubt false images would be more effective then usual (Even the human eye can be tricked.), and as I made note in the section where it appears..the armor can be moved to allowed visual inspection..it is just not reconmended. And the reason tanks don't use the system.....well that modern tech for ya, what happens in the near future is still unknown.


Riiiight... cheap AI's... that'll be the day.

And note, the APU was originally designed (well, it appears that mine and IVAM's are at least) to be useable in a moden tech environment. Your's certainly is not. Oh well. I'll be chalking this one up to another case of MechWarrior/Gundam UBAR Syndrome.

The AI might be expensive in your nation but it's cost is reasonable in our's.

Since the cameras report faithfully what is out side..I doubt false images would be more effective then usual (Even the human eye can be tricked.), and as I made note in the section where it appears..the armor can be moved to allowed visual inspection..it is just not reconmended. And the reason tanks don't use the system.....well that modern tech for ya, what happens in the near future is still unknown.


Riiiight... cheap AI's... that'll be the day.

And note, the APU was originally designed (well, it appears that mine and IVAM's are at least) to be useable in a moden tech environment. Your's certainly is not. Oh well. I'll be chalking this one up to another case of MechWarrior/Gundam UBAR Syndrome.

Why do you seem to be taking this so personally ?

Why do you seem to be taking this so personally ?

Maybe because I'm right? Cause no one is listening? Cause I can? I'm jaded? Bored? Who knows. I didn't think having a disagreement was considered "taking it personally." That'll teach me I guess. :)

Why do you seem to be taking this so personally ?

Maybe because I'm right?

You do bring up some good points that we can address, but they seem to be couched in such a condisending manner that makes a reasonable response seem unwelcome. I am sorry if I misread you.

Cause no one is listening?

I am listening, I just don't agree with all of the things you are saying, or have not had the chance to look into them fully. As far as the pricing issue goes , we have not even mentioned a price for the vehicles. I know that the term inexpensive was used to describe the AI, but a limited AI could be affordable. I think that there may just be some differences in termnology. SUch as AI, and affordable.

Cause I can?

Sure you can , and you have been very nice in changing threads when requested, and I in no way intend to try to stop you. You have brought up some valid points that need to be considered. Just understand that you may not like the answers.

Who knows. I didn't think having a disagreement was considered "taking it personally." That'll teach me I guess. :)

I am sorry , I misunderstood. It seemed that you were, my bad.

Methink an machine that can hold a conversation wouldn't be that expensive onced developed. It's not like the A.I. is running the thing just monotoring it, as in:-
"Dave we have take minor damage on the right leg."
"Thank you Hal, I'm onto the bastard!" Gunfire...more gunfire "Got the Bastard!"
"Well done Dave, we have expended 1000 HE rounds in that exchange...." summery of machine status follows.

But an A.I. might pick up stuff the pilot doesn't see, plus it can monitor the pilots condition & report back to base when injured & not responding to verbal inquires. As in a pro-active system rather than a passive system, and as I mention earlier reduce the amount of things the pilot has to worry about.

Edit.....were did 01 post go? oh he deleted it.