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It will not be of any use. Francos will just boot you. Dont ever post such a silly thing again, it has been tried before and it failed.

It will not be of any use. Francos will just boot you. Dont ever post such a silly thing again, it has been tried before and it failed.

Good idea. Stay in your own bloody region; solve it and leave the rest of us out of this!

God damn pacific delegate monopoly

Reason #2034871234 I left the UN

Hey now. Don't be so harsh on DrigenChar, there've been threads like this before whose starters haven't been flamed.

Just because in this particular instance, Liverpool is right, that invasion was bloody ridiculous, doesn't mean you should greet this thread with such hostility.

It isn't silly, it just takes coordination.

Such a large invasion needs probably 200 willing UN, all moving in at the same time, right before a reset. There has to be a list of endorsement targets (ETs), in order of preference (in case the delegate bans the primary targets).

That number is pretty big, but if someone where to contact lots of little invader alliances, keeping the real target quiet, maybe even giving out false info on the region to be invaded, then at the last minute giving the real info out - that would be harder to catch. Trouble is that even with lots of little invader alliances, you'd still need about 15 of them to get anywhere near your UN number.

So you get the backing of a birth region (forex South Pacific) who can keep up a drum beat of support for the war (say with propaganda regularly posted to the regional forum and offsite forum get togethers) - just don't include them in the timing of the attack (except trusted leaders, like the Delegate).

Once the mercenary attack begins, the big backer region is given the call and hopefully sends a wave of UN. The merc invader alliances are happy because they toppled a huge region, the big backer is happy for political reasons (and maybe can set up a birth region as a protectorate).

It is doable, but it would take work and dedication.

I saw some of this attempt and it looked like there was some work but not near enough support or it started too close to the update to get their numbers into the region before NS closed up. There was some rumor of it going down (and you want that as an invader, several false rumor to tire out the enemy, as it were), but there didn't seem to be a large UN force available. From my limited info I'd say it was a good practice run.

I think many won't do this because they don't see a reason for the cause. After all, if we haven't been affected, why would we go and help? (THis is just a question, not a sarcastic remark)

I think many won't do this because they don't see a reason for the cause. After all, if we haven't been affected, why would we go and help? (THis is just a question, not a sarcastic remark)



I keep reading about the dictatorship of Franco.
These are probably naive questions, but who needs help?
If a nation isn't happy in a region, why not just move to another region?

The Franco nation must have got the endorsements to become a delegate.
:?

I think many won't do this because they don't see a reason for the cause. After all, if we haven't been affected, why would we go and help? (THis is just a question, not a sarcastic remark)



I keep reading about the dictatorship of Franco.
These are probably naive questions, but who needs help?
If a nation isn't happy in a region, why not just move to another region?

The Franco nation must have got the endorsements to become a delegate.
:?

Ah yes, common sense. Something we haven't seen in a while. We thank you for your insight in this otherwise naive world. It's a good and valid observation that you have made.

I think it also explains why some of us think the nations complaining are a few screws loose.

"wisper"
I realy didn't think I was naive. :roll:

"wisper"
I realy didn't think I was naive. :roll:

Silly! ^_^ I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the people who are doing the complaining about Franco.

Moving out is the best way to weaken Francos Spain.

Maybe ex-Pacificans could form a pact, to blacklist anyone who voluntarily moves to Francos Pacific. Someone has to destroy the dictator.

The next step would be to blacklist Francos Pacificans who either (1) continue to endorse him or (2) remain in the region. Not all at once, but quickly.

It will either make it easier to region crash and bring back common rule, or weaken Francos so much that the Pacific collapses or is a fraction of its UN power.

Actually, thats not a bad idea. What's wrong with forcing the Pacific to collapse, then founding a clone or a New Pacific?


And what am I talking about, "some people"? H.ll, AP'd help. Count us in a revolution. Cause that's what it is.

AP

That is intelligent...

Deserting him will weaken him.

MUTINY!!

Moving out won't weaken him. The Pacific is a birth region - there is a constant influx of new nations, most with no idea what is going on. Just your standard endorsement swapping will keep him in power. The low level of support he has shows his support is shallow;
South Pacific – Matt Duck 498
West Pacific – Norion 489
East Pacific – 1 Infinite Loop 320
North Pacific – the Twoslit experiment 562
The Pacific – Francos Spain 135

FS will always be able to replace endorsements, if only at a low level.

It is rumored FS uses scripts to alert him when anyone has about 15 endorsements, then he bans them. While that might seem like griefing, it is apparently OK (I think everyone - Mods, Admins, the Holy Barry) is watcing to see what people do to get rid of this guy - can we unify?)

So, why care and why not just move out? Running from a problem doesn't solve it, and summary ejection/banning is pretty bad. Fight injustice, in the form of ejection/banning from your home region or helping those who have been. I've seen people ejected just for complaining about this, so freedom of speech is meaningless (as far as it goes in NS) in the Pacific forum. It just seems wrong to let this guy get away with all this stuff.

This isn't meant to be sarcastic, btw, just the way I see it (and if for nothing else, it is a game and why not try a difficult play in a game?)

well if you are sick of reading threads like this, no body has a gun to your head. just don't read them! for the rest of us are attempting to over through him.

I think many won't do this because they don't see a reason for the cause. After all, if we haven't been affected, why would we go and help? (THis is just a question, not a sarcastic remark)



I keep reading about the dictatorship of Franco.
These are probably naive questions, but who needs help?
If a nation isn't happy in a region, why not just move to another region?

The Franco nation must have got the endorsements to become a delegate.
:?

It did. There are whiners out there that didn't get there way so they have pout and stamp their feet. Once they reach adulthood and a certain level of maturity they'll realize that the real world won't kiss their a$$ either.
Francos Spain is a legitimate Delegate.

Sure he is legit, and keeps it that way by force an decidedly undemocratic actions and taking advantage of the fact he is in a birth region. Nothing illegal or against the rules, but rotten none the less.

And frankly I wouldn't be talking about supposed maturity in a game setting :wink:

That just sounds like a justification for tyranny (if semi-in-character) "he lis leader, he has the power, get used to it" Any region can have the Delegate overthrown - this is just a tougher nut than most.



It did. There are whiners out there that didn't get there way so they have pout and stamp their feet. Once they reach adulthood and a certain level of maturity they'll realize that the real world won't kiss their a$$ either.
Francos Spain is a legitimate Delegate.

Moving out won't weaken him. The Pacific is a birth region - there is a constant influx of new nations, most with no idea what is going on. Just your standard endorsement swapping will keep him in power. The low level of support he has shows his support is shallow;
South Pacific – Matt Duck 498
West Pacific – Norion 489
East Pacific – 1 Infinite Loop 320
North Pacific – the Twoslit experiment 562
The Pacific – Francos Spain 135

FS will always be able to replace endorsements, if only at a low level.

It is rumored FS uses scripts to alert him when anyone has about 15 endorsements, then he bans them. While that might seem like griefing, it is apparently OK (I think everyone - Mods, Admins, the Holy Barry) is watcing to see what people do to get rid of this guy - can we unify?)

So, why care and why not just move out? Running from a problem doesn't solve it, and summary ejection/banning is pretty bad. Fight injustice, in the form of ejection/banning from your home region or helping those who have been. I've seen people ejected just for complaining about this, so freedom of speech is meaningless (as far as it goes in NS) in the Pacific forum. It just seems wrong to let this guy get away with all this stuff.

This isn't meant to be sarcastic, btw, just the way I see it (and if for nothing else, it is a game and why not try a difficult play in a game?)

It sounds very interesting. I wonder if he has had practice at being a dictator before, maybe in a lesser region? If this really is anything at all like the real world, then all the youngest generations are going to grow up as wonderful little soldiers of demacracy and justice. (sarcastic)

I think many won't do this because they don't see a reason for the cause. After all, if we haven't been affected, why would we go and help? (THis is just a question, not a sarcastic remark)



I keep reading about the dictatorship of Franco.
These are probably naive questions, but who needs help?
If a nation isn't happy in a region, why not just move to another region?

The Franco nation must have got the endorsements to become a delegate.
:?

Two words: Massive apathy.

Moving out won't weaken him. The Pacific is a birth region - there is a constant influx of new nations, most with no idea what is going on. Just your standard endorsement swapping will keep him in power. The low level of support he has shows his support is shallow;
South Pacific – Matt Duck 498
West Pacific – Norion 489
East Pacific – 1 Infinite Loop 320
North Pacific – the Twoslit experiment 562
The Pacific – Francos Spain 135


This is correct; 130-140 endorsements in a Pacific is a sign of massive unpopularity. Even I have far more endorsements than him, and my home region (Rejected Realms) is just a bit more than a third of the size of his.

It is one thing to say you hate FS, it is another to try a region crash.
Someone should start a region, the purpose of which is to group resisters. It would be easier to coordinate a move that way.

Furthermore, just because Francos Pacific is a birth region doesn't mean everyone starting there joins the UN, and it doesn't mean that everyone starting there that joins the UN will support him.

Another strategy on the side should be massive forum propaganda, for recruiting newbies to other regions. If every new country in Francos Pacific leaves within a week, it would really help. Less than that would still aid us.

AP

It is one thing to say you hate FS, it is another to try a region crash.
Someone should start a region, the purpose of which is to group resisters. It would be easier to coordinate a move that way.

There is, Radiofree Pacific, DigrenChar (orginal post) is the founder.

Furthermore, just because Francos Pacific is a birth region doesn't mean everyone starting there joins the UN, and it doesn't mean that everyone starting there that joins the UN will support him.

Hmmm, I wonder what the percentage of UN in a region is. Does anyone have a way of finding out (aside from going through 5k names)?

When a nation joins the UN, the regional delegate (among others) ask for an endorsement swap, stating what a good job he/she/it is doing and asking for your support. I'd guess most new players just go ahead and endorse. (this is what happened with me when I first started NS)

Another strategy on the side should be massive forum propaganda, for recruiting newbies to other regions. If every new country in Francos Pacific leaves within a week, it would really help. Less than that would still aid us.

That happens on all the Pacifics (West, East, South, North) and emigration doesn't seem to keep pace with new births, the regions are passing the 5000 mark and growing.

130-140 endorsements in a Pacific is a sign of massive unpopularity. Even I have far more endorsements than him, and my home region (Rejected Realms) is just a bit more than a third of the size of his.

Your endorsement rate seems about 10%, about the size for most of the Pacific delegates. FS, at 2%, is barely hanging on. It would just take a little effort by one or two of the other Pacifics to oust him