NationStates Jolt Archive

The Great Ship of DNS (Distributed Nation State)

The Basics:
The Great Ship of DNS is a huge, socially progressive nation, renowned for its punitive income tax rates. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 800+ million enjoys extensive civil rights and enjoy a level social equality free of the usual accompanying government corruption.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Defense, Commerce, and Education. The average income tax rate is 100%. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Automobile Manufacturing industry.

The Basics explained:

Distributed may be a little under-descriptive. While DNS has a main population center (DNS-1), this only accounts for 300 million of the ~800million in DNS. Well, not in DNS physically. You see, DNS has a odd system of citizenship.

Citizenship: DNS citizenship is granted after a person applies for citizenship. They are not required to live in or near any DNS population center, leading up to an expansively distributed network of citizens, a few of which are in virtually every country in the NS universe. They are protected under DNS laws and extradition treaties; military service is voluntary with the exception of basic-training that the people aboard DNS-1 must go through in case of war.

DNS citizens are to abide by the rules of the country they live in, unless the rule is directly opposing a DNS law. In cases where a DNS citizen is brought to trial for an offense that is legal under DNS law the citizen in question is to be returned to DNS-1 or one of its subsidiaries.

More on this later.

[quote="DNS"]DNS citizens are to abide by the rules of the country they live in, unless the rule is directly opposing a DNS law. In cases where a DNS citizen is brought to trial for an offense that is legal under DNS law the citizen in question is to be returned to DNS-1 or one of its subsidiaries.[quote]

OOC: Most nations won't comply with this, including Wazzu. If a DNS citizen (or any citizen) breaks a Wazzu law, they will be punished under the Wazzu judicial system for their crimes. There is no safety against the law to be found in another government.

For that matter, Wazzu does not have an extradition treaty with DNS, and will not enforce DNS laws in Wazzu nor send people to DNS for supposedly breaking DNS laws in Wazzu.

Wazzu is a soverign nation, and if DNS thinks otherwise it can shove it.

OOC: I was waiting for this post...

IC: We have our own mechanisms for dealing with people that break our laws in other countries, and they will abide by your laws as long as they do not conflict with ours. Also, extradition by force is an option that DNS reserves the right to use.

OOC: As your first post was OOC (it certainly wasn't RPed, so must be OOC), so was mine. Or perhaps you didn't notice the OOC tag?

Using your mechanisms for dealing with people in Wazzu would be seen as an incursion, as an act of terrorism and of war. Your welcome to try extradition by force if you like, but you may wish to do a little research first. Wazzu is not an agressive state, but it is not a pushover even for powers like Menelmacar, EOTED, and even the Arda nations combined.

DNS is seen as a nation that can do damage to Wazzu, perhaps serious damage, but not seen as a nation that can beat Wazzu. OOCly, it would be inadvisable to attack.

The mechanisms are peaceful, and within the bounds of international law. Extradition by force is rare, and only used when someone's life is in severe danger. Besides, as of now that is a purly theoretical question.

Experimental Quantum teleportation tends to be the method of choice for extradition, innovations allow for people to be teleported alive. (there should be loopholes in quantum theory we don't know about yet)

International law has no meaning inside Wazzu unless Wazzu chooses to honor it. Only Wazzu law has meaning...thats what it means to be a soverign nation. Extradition would have to be under Wazzu law, and then wouldn't take place if no Wazzu law had been broken.

Quantum teleportation requires reducing the target to near absolute 0 (temperature) and completely isolating them. It also only has a 25% chance of working...no loopholes, thats how the mathematics works out. The other 75% of the time the information (the person) would be lost. Of course, completely isolating them from the environment would also be deadly, as well as flashfreezing them to near absolute zero.

International law has no meaning inside Wazzu unless Wazzu chooses to honor it. Only Wazzu law has meaning...thats what it means to be a soverign nation. Extradition would have to be under Wazzu law, and then wouldn't take place if no Wazzu law had been broken.

Quantum teleportation requires reducing the target to near absolute 0 (temperature) and completely isolating them. It also only has a 25% chance of working...no loopholes, thats how the mathematics works out. The other 75% of the time the information (the person) would be lost. Of course, completely isolating them from the environment would also be deadly, as well as flashfreezing them to near absolute zero.

Ever look at a graph of quantum theory? notice how most of it's blank and unknown? The loophole's in there. There's enought that is not known that I can realistically say that in the next 1,497 years a scientist can find that loophole.

The extradition would take place if they broke a Wazzu law, breaking DNS law tends to mean that we freeze their bank accounts untill they can make their way to a DNS magistrate.

Ever see actual mathematical equations for quantum theory? Ever play around with them a bit? I have. You get a 25% chance, thats it. Thats how the cold, hard math works out. And yes, for it to work, you have to completely isolate and freeze (to near absolute 0) the target. Even then, the mass of a full person is probably FAR to high for your (or anyone's) equipment to work on (In wave/particle duality, wavelength is inversely proportional to mass, which is why single small molecules are the largest ever worked with in quantum theory).

Extradition would not occur without Wazzu government authority, which would not be granted, unless DNS wished to risk war.

Ever see actual mathematical equations for quantum theory? Ever play around with them a bit? I have. You get a 25% chance, thats it. Thats how the cold, hard math works out. And yes, for it to work, you have to completely isolate and freeze (to near absolute 0) the target. Even then, the mass of a full person is probably FAR to high for your (or anyone's) equipment to work on (In wave/particle duality, wavelength is inversely proportional to mass, which is why single small molecules are the largest ever worked with in quantum theory).

Extradition would not occur without Wazzu government authority, which would not be granted, unless DNS wished to risk war.

A wiser man once said that the universe dosn't have laws, it has habits. And habits can be broken. Look a hundred years back, I bet they thought that going faster than the speed of sound was impossible too. And they probably had some fancy math to back it up too...

And since you ignored me over the DNS-1, isn't this entire thing a bit reduntant?

A condition of permanent residency in Wolfsreich is that immigrants take a vow renouncing their former citizenship as a condition of gaining a Wolfsreich "green card". For a DNS citizen to operate freely within Wolfsreich, he would have to be in violation of our most basic laws of immigration and citizenship.

The Wolfsreich Department of Internal Security has noted DNS's word, and will begin an extensive sweep to search out and either deport or kill these individuals and their anti-Wolfsreich terrorist cells. The five-million-man active Wolfsreich army will be called for enforcement, and the over 300 million citizens of our great land stand ready to be drafted at any moment, though we will never take a fight overseas...we are interested only in defending the Fatherland from threats.