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Capitalism has been outlawed in my nation for quite a few months of RL time. For that entire time my economy status has been 'imploded.'

Before the occasion on which I outlawed capitalism, every time I got the "Economic Collapse Looms" issue I would make the decision to keep capitalism -- even though at that time I already had strong anti-business policies in place in the country.

My economy still hung around the 'average' mark though, and I had usually an 80% tax rate. Now I want to return to regulated capitalism, having been converted from all-out Communism. I've already had the "Economic Collapse Looms" issue and made the decision to revatilise the private sector.

The tax rate has remained at 100% however - probably because, over the entire time that there was socialism in my nation, I have been making economic decisions that would increase tax rates if it had not already been at 100%, and continued to choose the "outlaw capitalism" option on the "Economic Collapse Looms" issue every time I got it.

That has produced a cumulative affect and now it is going to take several more months, I expect, of decreasing taxes and reducing public spending and choosing to revitalise the private sector before my nation will ever again have actual industries, and a non-imploded economy.

I was wondering, is doing all this actually worth it? Will it bring back my industries (book publishing, information technology etc.) and increase my economy from imploded, or could I be stuck in this state forever?

Thanks in advance.

You can pull yourself out from an economic pit.

The automotive industry issue -- should you get it, considering you don't have private industry, if I understand right -- has an option that says "...well, we need more money" and by choosing to give money to the automotive industry it kicks your economy up a notch.

There are a couple others that have the possiblity to boost your economy, but I can't remember them.

I banned cars for the good of the environment. I guess it was also for the bad of the economy. :cry:

Does lowering taxes improve the economy? Refusing to provide international aid? Seeking private funding for space programmes rather than using taxpayer money? Allowing employers to fire workers on the spot without giving any reason (not that I'd want to do that)?

badump

Some ways i've found is uranium mining, you dont have to buldoze it all down but select the option that says mine some parts and still keep the forest if you like the enviroment.

The gold mining issue I've noticed that one boosts the economy if you choose the option of the government claiming it.

Some how letting businesses fire people for on the spot also raises the economy. Not too sure about the meat eating one and making your national animal the trademark meal but they might.

those are some options should you get them, I assume there's more but I've never encoutnered them.

Hope this helps.

I have the best economy and private industry is outlawed.

All your industries are government owned.

I have the best economy and private industry is outlawed.

All your industries are government owned.

I am the same.

I don't understand how that "black market economy" thing develops. I just have lemonade-sellers or whatever, that's what dominates the private sector.

Badump bump.

Just in case anyone has anymore suggestions.

By the way, I don't really want to do anything nuclear, or hurt the environment at all, or violate workers' rights or anything like that.

Seizing Gold Claims boosts economy.

NOT demembering the large corperations with anti-trust laws boosts your economy.

NOT eating your national animal, but killing it anyway, boosts economy.

On the Bycyclists vs Motorist issue, select the third option that gives money to auto industries...

On the strike issue, let the corperations fire people with no reason.

On that Foriegn Auto Issue, let the CEO have his way, and abolish minimum wage.

Do that, and your economy will recover, and be around Strong... Of course, this will make your Civil Rights plumit like a 2 ton boulder being pushed off of a 747 at 32,000 feet...

I guess I'll do the seizing gold finds thing and the corporate donations thing.

Damn, it's a long walk to recovery...

Sorry for the hijack, but what does the tariff one do?

Hey look! It's the other New Zealand guy!

Anyway I'm assuming having tariffs would strengthen your economy (protects local business)

Damn, it's a long walk to recovery...

indeed, but it is possible to have a succesful non-capitalist economy.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?showtopic=243

we've even written a how to guide for your convenience. if you check out the CACE nations (go to www.redfrenzy.com to do so easily) you'll see a lot of us have strong or better economies while retaining equally strong anti-capitalist policies. cheers.

Hey, thanks. That's exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. I hold a deep dislike for capitalism, but it seemed to me that in NationStates it was not possible to have a good non-capitalist economy, thus I legalised capitalism in my nation and began to lower taxes, wanting my nation to become more enviable.

This is great. I thought that there must be something built into the game that assumes that a non-capitalist economy is a weak one, which I found most frustrating, being a socialist and all. One question, do all nations' economies automatically implode when capitalism is first made illegal?

OK, I've decided to revive this thread after being swayed to retain anti-capitalist policies but attempt to develop a strong economy underneath them. I really need some help.

I've just got the "Economic Collapse Looms!" issue again. Currently capitalism's legal in my nation but I don't want it to be anymore. I'm wondering, though--if I make capitalism illegal, but still keep injecting government money into the Automobile Manufacturing industry, as well as seizing gold finds, putting government funding into sports matches et cetera, will the nation's economy improve?

I haven't made any decision on the issue yet, I need to know what possible effects it may have first.

badump

EDIT: Responded too quickly, there....

If your state of private enterprise is lemonade sellers, I suggest you dismiss the issue. To fully ban private enterprise at this point you just need to aggressively select anti-business options with a mix of pro economy options. It's a bit of a balancing act, but you'll be able to effectively ban capitalism without crashing your economy quite as much as that issue will.

I did it, a long time ago. Had lemonade hawkers, didn't ever see the 'Ban Capitalism' issue, but selected anti-business policies. One day I found out it was fully banned.

The state that your nation is in at present is pretty much what I want to see mine be in. So, you're saying I should just keep dismissing this issue every time it comes up, having already made capitalism legal?

What I'm saying that it's already de facto illegal. The private sector consists mainly of teenage lemonade hawkers. By selecting anti-business and pro economy issues you can effectively outlaw capitalism. For instance, limited "uranium" mining is pro economy, but not neccesarily pro-business.

Or, if you wanted to, you could take one last plunge and ban it once and for all. After that you should dismiss the issue.

I think I'll probably do the second thing you said--outlaw it this time, then whenever I get the issue in the future I will dismiss it. Just one last thing, about the "Diving For Dollars" Issue, if you've had it. In that, will allowing the civilians to take the gold improve the economy, or will only making the government seize it have that effect?

I wouldn't know. I tend to dismiss that one, on the grounds that it's not very well thought out.

OK. Thanks for all your help.