NationStates Jolt Archive

New EDW Academy under construction

In a long anticipated announcement today, a major construction project on the Anhierarch mainland near Andulos City was announced to be the future site of a new EDW Academy, tentatively named the Etharos Institute.

This move is in line with speculation of the defence community within the region, cementing Anhierarch's dedication towards establishing a strong EDW infrastructure in the name of safeguarding the nation, both in the electronic ether and in the physical world.

Construction is expected to be completed within 1-2 years.

War on the horizion?

In related news, tensions between the WBOSATO and the CACE appear to be rising considerably, with the WBOSATO's latest move to ally itself with Skargarden and hold massive wargames in the rogue nation, which borders the Federation of SeOCC. ANN understands that these wargames may well involve over a million military personnel, with a quarter of a million from Knootoss alone.

This comes in a wake of diplomatic incidents, ostensibly beginning with a terrorist attempt to destroy SeOCC, after which investigations pointed to bank accounts within the nation of Der Angst. When approached for assistance and/or information regarding the terrorist plot, ANN understands that Der Angst rebuffed the investigators in strongest possible terms, leading to a call within CACE to suspend diplomatic relations with all WBOSATO nations.

ANN also understands that the Commonwealth Synod finds several aspects of this nascent alliance with Skargarden to be deeply troubling, but refused to comment.

In light of this possible threat, the Commonwealth Synod has authorized the call-up of the Civilian Defense Force's First Army, comprising 50 000 individuals. According to sources, the Commonwealth Synod is also considering a change to the operational protocol of the CDF, allowing them to be deployed beyond the borders of Anhierarch.

On a related note, the Commonwealth Synod has also authorized a large consignment of food surplus to be at the disposal of the CACE, and a statement from the Commonwealth Synod advises all citizens to remain calm and continue with their normal lives.

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New Avenues of Research

Today, in a not altogether unexpected announcement, the Synod for Research and Development, headed by Proxy Ereki Ashtar, announced the beginning of two new avenues of research.

In the press release, it is understood that the Synod will be diverting significant resources towards 3D data transfer and applications of macromolecular carbon. A representative of the Synod had this to say on the former.

"It's like.... well, basically, imagine two terminals a thousand miles apart, hooked to the network. They both have this box, which is currently exists, as a matter of fact. A person places say, a cup in the scanner - which the box is. Data scanned, said person sends data to person B. B gets data, loads it into the other portion of the box, and voila! A polymer copy of the original object." At this point of the press conference, he held up a translucent blue cup, and continued. "A bit crude at this point. We're very excited about the possibilities this new technology offers."

It is also understood that the budget for the departments of quantum computing has increased yet again.

A light in the dark

Admidst these turbulent times, we here at ANN wish to remind all people of Anhierarch that very soon a momentous celebration is due to take place - Anhierarch's bi-millenial celebration, measured from the time when warring tribes in this geographical area settled their differences and united as a nation. The Commonwealth Synod is expected to release a statement detailing the festivities very soon, though it is understood that the potential threats facing Aperin will not cause the celebration to be postponed, not, as Proxy Ejai Telenu was quoted, "unless they would dare march to Anhierarch itself."

Message to the Anhierarch government

L.S.

The Vortex Corporation highly regrets the tensions that have come to exist in the past few weeks. We have continuously stated the Skargarden wargames are not a cover to stage an invasion against CACE, yet we are not believed. We do not blame anybody for that, if we had been in Seocc's situation, we would have taken similar steps.

However, this clearly indicates that better communications and increased understanding are needed between CACE and SATO. We understand that our ideologies can hardly ever match or coöperate, at least not on the short term. However, we can set an example for our mutual organizations, and perhaps even future organization.

If we reach better understanding and communications, the sort of crisis as we find ourselves in right now can perhaps be prevented the next time, through communication and perhaps even mutual understanding.

Therefore, as an example to our own and other nations, The Vortex Corporation would like you to consider a Cultural Exchange program between our two nations. This would, at first, include things like student exchange programs, visits to each other's nation, and perhaps even staright forward coöperation in areas such as medicine, education, art and architecture. Also, we could take measures that benefit both our populations. For instance, the donation of food and medicine in times where your regular allies can not help you out.

But the primary purpose of such an agreement would be for the two of our nations to instigate a debate about the differences between CACE and SATO. Not a debate on which ideology would rule supreme, but one on how we could exist at the same time, without eventually leading to the destruction of the other.

Regardless of what your decisions will be, we thank you for your time and attention.

With high regards,

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The Vortex Corporation Daiamid Council
Corporate Coalition
Templar Alliance
CENNA
SATO
WTE
SFN

”We bring new worlds to Life”


So basicly, there's no way I can get this message to you without being rude?

Well, if that is the case, I truly think that it is CACE that is unwilling to bridge the gap between our organizations.

[ooc: IC Communications closed, mate.]

[ooc: IC Communications closed, mate.]

[ooc: huh?]

Also, we could take measures that benefit both our populations. For instance, the purchase of food at discount prices, medical assistance to each other, and other measures of non-military nature.

ooc: so as long as i'm here i'll point this out. you should really read the CACE Charter:

A. The CACE will form an extended autarchy.
1. CACE members may not trade with capitalist nations without permission of the CACE body by simple majority.
2. CACE members should, to remain true to the treaty, seek goods from fellow member states before seeking goods from non-CACE nations, even non-capitalist nations
3. Trade will not be conducted on monetary grounds. CACE members will form industrial partnerships, where each nation provides for other what is needed in exchange for what they need.

the CACE has also ratified the Economic Treaty, something else you should look into.

Might I also inform you that YOU HAVE NOT READ THAT MESSAGE

It's for Anhierarch, not for you.

But your comments are welcome, and I'm kinda feeling like an ass now for not reading into CACE. Message edited. Thanks.

[ooc: IC Communications closed, mate.]

[ooc: huh?]

[ooc: In light of some earlier incidents a significant portion of CACE decided to shut down diplomatic contact between us and all WBOSATO members.]

OOC: Do as I did with the speech of Galadriël, force the message on screen. Just overpower one of their radio freqencies. At least they will have heard it then. be :P But they're acting all 'no contacty' anyways. :?

OOC: Do as I did with the speech of Galadriël, force the message on screen. Just overpower one of their radio freqencies. At least they will have heard it then. be :P But they're acting all 'no contacty' anyways. :?

[ooc: That's terribly rude. Being rude means no biscuit for you.]

OOC: pah... *takes over the entire Nationstates Biscuit industry in a fit of greedyness*

*eats biscuits*

ooc: also, i can't speak for A, but SeOCC doesn't use radios. all our information is transmitted by cable. there is no 'TV,' there is streaming video out of the Data Havens, nor is there 'radio,' but you can dl any music you like since part of the MoI's job is to pirate all media released anywhere. so while anyone i SeOCC could, if they chose, tune into whatever propoganda you're transmitting, unless you can hack the Data Havens there is no way to make us watch anything.

OOC:
*starts Radio Free Aperin*
Transmitting popular pop-music, local news and some sponsored messages by the Knootian government. :P

Rlly I can't imaigne anyone in the middle east has fallen for that kind of thing, but SeOCC you're a resident there so you probably know better.

The point was I wanted you to have seen it ICly at least. Btw, are those data havens accecible to places outside the CACE to upload stuff like movies? (A bit like Kazaa I suppose)

Oh, and we protest this infringement on copyright blahblahblah. There are better things to fight over then copyright infringement. Esp. as your economy is closed anyways so we don't make money off your populace anyway... :roll:

OOC:
*starts Radio Free Aperin*
Transmitting popular pop-music, local news and some sponsored messages by the Knootian government.

K, is that you? we don't have any radios is SeOCC; we stopped making them when the Data Havens came on line, and i'm not sure if you want to be transmitting given the fact that your army is parked outside my house.

Rlly I can't imaigne anyone in the middle east has fallen for that kind of thing, but SeOCC you're a resident there so you probably know better.

fall for what?

The point was I wanted you to have seen it ICly at least. Btw, are those data havens accecible to places outside the CACE to upload stuff like movies? (A bit like Kazaa I suppose)

there is a section of the Data Havens that allows uploads, but that's not the same of the streaming programming provided by the MoI and the private firms supported by the people. you should stick an mpeg on there but nobody would have to watch it.

i would guess, though, that it would become an immediate underground favorite, much in the way the clip of Bill O'Reily screaming at a guy for saying the US supported the Mujahadeen, calling this guy a liar and a traitor.

and if you forgot, SeOCC see's everything icly. we make it a point to read ALL your mail. even the letters you don't send to us.

Oh, and we protest this infringement on copyright blahblahblah. There are better things to fight over then copyright infringement. Esp. as your economy is closed anyways so we don't make money off your populace anyway...

well it's not SeOCC you should be worried about, but the fact that the Data Havens are accesible from anywhere on earth, meaning our stores of music, movies, books etc are free to all.

... meaning our stores of music, movies, books etc are free to all.

(Not for those of us to whom the term 'computer' still means only a building-sized collection of vacuum tubes that has trouble adding two and two! Didn't think of that, eh?

*crosses arms and looks smug*

*realizes he has nothing to do with this entire thread, and wanders off to see if his country has come up with a reliable vaccine for smallpox yet*)

OOC:

K, is that you? we don't have any radios is SeOCC; we stopped making them when the Data Havens came on line, and i'm not sure if you want to be transmitting given the fact that your army is parked outside my house.
Yeah, it's me. Ale-Yarok (green leaf) is my protectorate annex ambassador to the sister region of Holland. Useful for coordination and stuff. Sometimes it accidenily posts. :?

And my army isn't parked outside your house, there are only war games in Skargarden... :roll:

fall for what?
Did the Americans not broadcast in the middle east with the same format? Radio Free Iraq or something? I know Menelmacar has a similar station.

there is a section of the Data Havens that allows uploads, but that's not the same of the streaming programming provided by the MoI and the private firms supported by the people. you should stick an mpeg on there but nobody would have to watch it.
Ah, ok. So you could also do the dirty trick of sticking in files with propaganda under the filename of famous movies. Wrong filename happens so often with Kazaa. :P

Did the Americans not broadcast in the middle east with the same format? Radio Free Iraq or something? I know Menelmacar has a similar station.

yes, the US did that, but i don't think Iraq was fully linked by cable internet. as for M, you know my opinon of her relationship with reality.

anyway, the point remains, there are maybe 10 radios in SeOCC that still work, and four of them are in museums.

Ah, ok. So you could also do the dirty trick of sticking in files with propaganda under the filename of famous movies. Wrong filename happens so often with Kazaa.

you COULD do that. however in order to upload files to the Data Havens you need an account, which is free. however it also tags everything you upload, so if we find kiddy porn with your tag on it... yeah. so it would take about four users complaining to suspend the account, shut down your IP address and start blocking Knootian users. etc etc. you forget, sir, that we are PARANOID.

OOC: well... I could do it but your citizens are probably busier with other things then downloading music right now.

The DUMBEST thing one can do in time of crisis, is shutting down all communications between the parties.

Really, that is the single most IDIOTIC move any diplomat could make. It adds to negative image forming, wrong perceptions of reality, guesses, gossip and other subjective forms of information.

If you refuse to communicate with other organizations, I think it is CACE that is unwilling to bridge the gap between our organizations.

I am trying to find some common ground between myself and a CACE nation which I respect. Now, the CACE charter is something I respect and accept, so I will limit my actions according to the rules in that charter.

But frankly, saying that I cannot communicate with the ONLY nation in CACE that I respect and would want as an ally, is something that saddens me. Instead of talking and commucating, you mobilise your men and get your guns out of the arsenals.

That is a very violent way of responding to a crisis in which not a single shot has been fired yet. All you do is talk about realistic rp. THEN RP REALISTICLY! In a real situation, countries would try to solve their differences with talk first, not with mobilisation.

Anhierarch, if you want, please consider that message put in the mail of the twelve highest ranking politicians of your nation. I spend a significant amount of money on covert ops and intel, and I think delivering twelve packages would be possible.

If you think it would put you in a too difficult position, I apologise and understand if you choose to ignore it.

Seocc, I am starting to think you actually want to fight SATO. You blame us for everything and anything, yet you refuse to talk with us to find out what is truly going on. All you do is follow your own opinions and perceptions, without consulting with other parties to find out what is truly happening.

OOC:

Oh well, I'm in neither WBO nor SATO, which means I can communicate with all involved :roll:

In that case, consider my message to Anhierarch relayed through the GDT government.

If you agree, of course.

okay i'm going to try to be as polite as possible... but oh my god:

The DUMBEST thing one can do in time of crisis, is shutting down all communications between the parties.

and the best way to bridge that gap is to call us idiots.

If you refuse to communicate with other organizations, I think it is CACE that is unwilling to bridge the gap between our organizations.

let me remind you, in case you weren't kept up to date, why the CACE cut off ties to the WBO. the player of a nation called Al Nydia was hired to blow up SeOCC with an uke. four citizens of Al Nydia were caught in Svea Riga buying a suitcase nuke from Skargardian criminals and three were killed. with the idenity of these attempted terrorists in hand i launched an investigation. the investigation, naturally, continued to Al Nydia, where i dug up the bank records of the four terrorists. the records showed large sums of money wired from a Der Angst bank. the AN player assured me this was ooc on the level so i went to Der Angst.

i want to point out, as i've done so many times, that at this point i didn't suspect DA. DA hates me and doesn't like to RP with me so i didn't think he'd try to nuke me. i asked, very diplomatically, for the bank to tell me whose account wired the money. the bank refused. i asked DA's government, again in an unusally diplomatic fashion, to compel the bank to tell me who sent the money. they refused and, well, the relevant TG's should still be on the WBO boards in the Associate Section; look for posts by Minister Villivich. i then asked DA to at least look up the bank records to look for wire transfers coming into the bank that matched the sum sent to the terrorists so that i could find out if the money had started in Der Angst or not. DA again, at this point incredibly rudely, told me no. well actually he told me to fuck off but you get the picture.

i TGed Lavenrunz and i guess she go no where because DA didn't help out. this was the dead end; the investigation led to DA and stopped there, the trail obscured by the brick wall that is DA's ooc hatred for me. so i went to the WBO/SATO with a very level headed explanation and plea for them to compel DA to compel the bank to turn over the name of whose account it is. at this point many major players in the WBO/SATO knew about this but i got NO replies. not even a 'okay we're discussing it' post. nothing. the decision was made that clearly DA had something to hide and the WBO/SATO's refusal to help meant they were now complicit.

at the very least DA is guilty of obstruction for failing to help in the investigation of attempted genocide. at the very least, for failing to get DA to cooperate, the WBO/SATO is guilty of the same. this is the consensus the CACE reached.

given that fact we could hardly justify continuing relations with nations now in what is essentially open support for terrorist attempts on their enemies. we cut ties because every time we cornered the WBO on something they used stall tactics to try to make it go away. the terrorist attack was attempted like four months ago AT LEAST and still nothing. at some point it will go away because nobody even remembers what happens. at this point DA gets off without ever having to explain to anyone why this money went through his country and, having been notified of it, he did nothing.

HE DID NOTHING. if the VA tried to nuke the capital of your country would you be satisfied with SeOCC doing nothing? hell no. so that's where we are. we got sick of being jerked around by people for whom diplomacy is not a matter of compromise but of boring us until we forget all about it. we set down clear standards that must be met before relations will be re-opened and now the WBO/SATO has to think about what they intend to do about it.

let me remind you: the CACE went to the WBO asking for help in this investigation; more precisely, i went personally to get the answers i wanted. i was treated with the utter disrespect that comes with the silent treatment. if someone is guilty of failing to bridge the gap it is the WBO/SATO.

long rant but i feel like you haven't been in the loop. that's the story to date and believe it or not it's the basic objective truth. DA knew something, refused to help, the WBO/SATO refused to help as well.

and for the record, Knootoss started his little temper tantrum because we severed ties and expelled his diplomats. this crisis was started by your side ignoring why we cut ties and simply steaming along your war train. think about it: until you address our greivances you can't expect us to come to the table.

But frankly, saying that I cannot communicate with the ONLY nation in CACE that I respect and would want as an ally, is something that saddens me. Instead of talking and commucating, you mobilise your men and get your guns out of the arsenals.

when a sworn enemy puts, what, 500k troops, on your border what do you do, take their word for it? you heighten the alert. SeOCC is a tiny nation with 300M people living in 150x50km. for us, an invasion equals hundreds of millions of civlian deaths. the government has a responsiblity to prevent that from happening, and you do not prevent that from happening by leaving your military assets dormant. you up their readiness and prepare for the worst. i want to again remind everyone that the only other time SeOCC has been invaded it was under the pretense of 'war games.' Whittier's puppet Canales (we didn't know it was Whittier back then) was holding war games off my coast and started launching real missiles into SeOCC. i think i put the death toll at about 20k before i shut down his radar and the Rigan navy came to my rescue.

fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me. not taking any risks this time.

Seocc, I am starting to think you actually want to fight SATO. You blame us for everything and anything, yet you refuse to talk with us to find out what is truly going on. All you do is follow your own opinions and perceptions, without consulting with other parties to find out what is truly happening.

what is going on is you came all the way around the world to hold wargames on my doorstep. who is Skargarden? i know for a fact that the WBO approached him to hold the wargames there. why don't you think about what your own organization is doing: why not hold the wargames somewhere else. why in the name of god would you, knowing how sensitive this situation is, march an ungodly large army to my doorstep? YOU'VE GOT THIS WHOLE GIANT WORLD WHY DIDN'T YOU HOLD THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE?

really. explain why it had to be Skargarden, in spite of the tension between the WBO/SATO and the CACE. explain the thinking that made putting 500k troops within striking range of SeOCC a good idea. EXPLAIN IT.

i don't want war, i hate it ic, ooc, and i hate RPing it, but i'm not going to let someone snowball me. did you notice that Knootoss, immediately after marching all his troops in, asked the CACE to sign a non-aggression pact? do you think that's a little suspicious, to bring an army that could wipe out my country and then say, 'oh, well you know, these armies hanging around, you can never be too careful. better sign this little thingy here to make sure we don't do something stupid.'

K tried to intimidate me, K failed. i really think you need to get some perspective on what you're taking part in. yes, these might just be wargames, but when China sails some ships on wargames around Taiwan it's an international incident. if China put 500k troops on the border of Taiwan you can bet it would be more than a god damn incident. think about it.

First of all:

Knootoss policy = SATO policy

Knootoss policy = TVC policy

And I might have overreacted in my previous post. When I want to communicate with a player I respect and with which I want to RP, it sucks to hear "no, we can;t hear you".

Now, as for the question "why Skargarden".

1. Opportunity for Skargarden to improve relations with Knootoss and other nations.

2. Skargarden has the exact geographical features needed for these particular exercises.

3. Skargarden gave permission for the wargames. Hardly any other nation would do that, save for direct allies. However, with direct allies wargames have already taken place in sufficient manner.

4. Choosing such a distant location to fight, also gives us the opportunity to test our logistical and transport procedures. Since we consider them essential to the functioning of our armed forces, it was very feasable to hold exercises in an area that required great logistical effort.

First of all:

Knootoss policy = NOT SATO policy

Knootoss policy = NOT TVC policy

And I might have overreacted in my previous post. When I want to communicate with a player I respect and with which I want to RP, it sucks to hear "no, we can;t hear you".

Now, as for the question "why Skargarden".

1. Opportunity for Skargarden to improve relations with Knootoss and other nations.

2. Skargarden has the exact geographical features needed for these particular exercises.

3. Skargarden gave permission for the wargames. Hardly any other nation would do that, save for direct allies. However, with direct allies wargames have already taken place in sufficient manner.

4. Choosing such a distant location to fight, also gives us the opportunity to test our logistical and transport procedures. Since we consider them essential to the functioning of our armed forces, it was very feasable to hold exercises in an area that required great logistical effort.

Knootoss policy = NOT SATO policy

Knootoss policy = NOT TVC policy

SATO nations doing stuff = de facto SATO policy.

TVC doing stuff = de facto TVC policy.

And I might have overreacted in my previous post. When I want to communicate with a player I respect and with which I want to RP, it sucks to hear "no, we can;t hear you".

dunno who you're talking about, but whoever it was they chose to do so. blame them, not me. and perhaps consider, again, the greivances lodged against the WBO/SATO before you tell us how this is all our fault.

1. Opportunity for Skargarden to improve relations with Knootoss and other nations.

Skargarden doesn't RP on the forums nearly at all. Why did the WBO come to Skargarden, a nation who they had no relations with previously? think about it.

2. Skargarden has the exact geographical features needed for these particular exercises.

do you even know what Skargarden's geography is? i'm sure that was really considered. you're being suckered here.

3. Skargarden gave permission for the wargames. Hardly any other nation would do that, save for direct allies. However, with direct allies wargames have already taken place in sufficient manner.

but the WBO/SATO came up with the idea. you haven't yet addressed why you chose to do something so obviously reckless, so obviously inflamatory, as hold military exercises on the CACE's porch.

4. Choosing such a distant location to fight, also gives us the opportunity to test our logistical and transport procedures. Since we consider them essential to the functioning of our armed forces, it was very feasable to hold exercises in an area that required great logistical effort.

the world is big, there are lots of places that are distant. but you came to Aperin. why? you have not yet explained why the WBO came to Skargarden with this offer. think about it.

ooc: VC, there's a lot of history behind the decision to sever ties with the WBO/SATO. I had argued against it, but I was defeated, and in light of even more history that is still ongoing, even I have called it quits.

Some relevant threads:

Motion to Sever Ties Revisited (http://invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?showtopic=395)

Non-CACE Responses (http://invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?showtopic=402)

Xikuang capitualtes to CACE vote (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89744&start=0)

(there was a thread on the WBO boards, but I can't fnd it, started by SeOCC)

There's lots more, I just can't find it all. Maybe someone else still has the links. And don't worry. So long as these war games stay games, you'll see no offensive action from CACE.

OMG NOES SATO MOVES TO OUR CONTINENT TO HOLD WARGAMES IN A SATO- FRIENDLY NATION WITH 1/3 OF A MILLION TROOPS WE WILL ALL DIE!

~ Satire weekly, DA

[The only think i wait for is the occasional 'Remove your forces from where they are, or we will N00K Y0 wth 83456437634756 BAZILLYEN N00KZ!!!11]

Seriously, the incredible diplomatic skills and hilarious hypocrisy of CACE do nothing to solve the situation...

Ah. I see SeOCC has been busy while I've been chasing down threads.

I fully agree withal of his points, especially regarding the plaecment of such a huge military force on the shores of a primarily CACE continent, knowing full well what kind of tension that would create. It is absolutely inconcevable that, in the real world, such an action would not constitute an international incident on a grand scale, and we try to play things realistically over here. You'll notice we're not shooting at you, you'll notice that the wargames were the icing on the cake that brought us to cut off diplomatic relations, when we were the only people in the CACE still talking to Knootoss, and finally, watch Knootoss very carefully. We have. I think you'll agree we have reasons to believe that certain people who probably aren't you might just have some rather unpleasant intentions towards us.

1. These forums are not the only forums. I believe Knoot had Skargarden in his MSN list, and for all we know they have been rp-ing on other forums.

2. Skargarden is like Denmark: extensive grasslands, with the terrain becoming more and more hilly as you go more land inwards. I believe it is situated in the western part of the CACE map, with 2 or 3 other nations bordering it, neither of those very active on these forums, btw. Skargarden is a reasonable normal nation, with a normal city-to-nature ratio, and has a relatively large coastline.

3. Of course SATO came up with the idea. We're the ones that want the games. But Skargarden was approached because it was likely to accept.

4. I will answer this question from a personal stance. I came to Aperin because I thought CACE was wiser than this. I thought CACE would realize that such an obvious move could never be the start of an invasion. I thought that you were less paranoid. I thought that I would be able to communicate in normal fashion with Anhierarch in order to clearly state my intentions. I thought that you brilliant minds (you are all smart people, as far as I know) would figure that such a direct invasion could never be won.

So regardless of everything else, I'll just repeat some things often said before, and they are the truth I tell you.

- WBO has nothing to do with this. It is an economical alliance. The WBO has no military means

- SATO does not intend to start a war with CACE

- SATO has done nothing illegal or illegitimate yet

- You are the one that has started dropping stuff off the coast of Skargarden. Hence, you are the first one that has made an offensive move (that is: assuming you have no permission to enter Skargarden territory. If you have that, please ignore this comment).


Now I ask you this: Is there a way we could set up some sort of IC debate that can maybe take away your concerns?

ooc:

Now I ask you this: Is there a way we could set up some sort of IC debate that can maybe take away your concerns?

The time for that has passed, with ample warning. You're welcome to approach Anhierarch on your own and he can respond as he responds.

And who said that SeOCC has done anything offensive? As far as I'm aware, he does have permission to be there IC.

Well, I said that he could ignore that last statement if he had permission.

But anyway, thanks to Xikuang and Seocc for discussing this all with me. It's certainly better than just shouting accusations at each other.

And Anhierarch, I apologize for hijacking this thread.

2. Skargarden is like Denmark: extensive grasslands, with the terrain becoming more and more hilly as you go more land inwards. I believe it is situated in the western part of the CACE map, with 2 or 3 other nations bordering it, neither of those very active on these forums, btw. Skargarden is a reasonable normal nation, with a normal city-to-nature ratio, and has a relatively large coastline.

uh... no. i might have to discuss this with Skargarden but he moved into a plot whose geography was decided ages and ages ago when it was occupied by Mizzoolo. the plot he occupies is very hilly and moutainous, you'd be hard pressed to find flat areas on the peninsula. his area that borders SeOCC is flatter but the eastern edge of that territory is the foothills of a rather extensive mountain range.

on whose authority do i say this? i drew the map (originally). it's been extensively discussed at the CACE HQ where X posted her quite excellent improvement upon the piece of crap i started with.

4. I will answer this question from a personal stance. I came to Aperin because I thought CACE was wiser than this. I thought CACE would realize that such an obvious move could never be the start of an invasion. I thought that you were less paranoid. I thought that I would be able to communicate in normal fashion with Anhierarch in order to clearly state my intentions. I thought that you brilliant minds (you are all smart people, as far as I know) would figure that such a direct invasion could never be won.

who do you RP with? whenever military strength has come up in discussions between the WBO/SATO and the CACE we were always told, without any hesitation, that our militaries were no match for yours. that's always been the line coming out of the WBO/SATo, so actually given that stance it's not that far out to think that your bosses might think the invasion could be won.

or this might not be an invasion; this might be a blow up SeOCC mission to shut down our EDW projects, or to terrorize the CACE. i'm sure you can think of a lot of things 500k troops can do other than flat out invade.

as for paranoia, i'm going to suggest you check out all the history between the WBO/SATO and the CACE. if you guys were going to invade you couldn't just walk up, you'd need an excuse. here's your excuse.

and frankly, your intentions are not the intentions of the WBO/SATO. it's quite likely that M, DA or K would lie to you in order to get you to commit forces, then 'provoke' us into attack etc etc. people manipulate, your buddies are no exception. and yes, i do believe they would sucker you into a war by not telling you their true intentions. the fact that you can't really account for why Skargarden was chosen, that no sufficient explanation has materialized to explain how it was worth the international incident, should be setting off alarms in TVC high command.

- WBO has nothing to do with this. It is an economical alliance. The WBO has no military means

actually, if the thread still exists (doubt it does, but people who were there can back me up) the WBO specifically discussed developing a military branch. they abandoned this idea and chose instead to use SATO for this purpose, since basically all WBO members are in SATO. that's why we refer to the WBO/SATO; when the same nations head both alliances it's a moot point to seperate them. just like police who enforce capitalist property laws are arms of capitalism, SATO enforces WBO foreign policy and is thus an arm of the WBO. WBO/SATO.

- SATO does not intend to start a war with CACE

how sure are you of this? the WBO/SATO are two organizations with no transparancy at all, they're well practices in keeping secrets from the world. are you sure people aren't keeping secrets from you?

- SATO has done nothing illegal or illegitimate yet

... or so you've been led to believe.

- You are the one that has started dropping stuff off the coast of Skargarden. Hence, you are the first one that has made an offensive move (that is: assuming you have no permission to enter Skargarden territory. If you have that, please ignore this comment).

huh? if you're refering to the trawler the trawler is outside of Skargarden territorial waters. how stupid do think i or the capt. is? you guys are the ones who are always going off about how anyone can go anywhere in international waters.

Now I ask you this: Is there a way we could set up some sort of IC debate that can maybe take away your concerns?

see, if this weren't ooc i'd be tempted, but i have no ic reason to open channels with you.

Well said, all that.

Just one thing: I do have trust in Der Angst and Knootoss. Since my very creation has DA proved trustworthy to his regional allies, and Knootoss is ...well...a fellow Dutchman.

Now as for not having any reason to open channels with me:

You do. Prevention of huge amounts of lives lost. If your IC_response to this situation is that you think we are invading you, than you probably would like to prevent that. And since I am the only SATO member that has tried to strengthen ties with a CACE nation in these times, in stead of weakening them, I think it would be quite plausible if you sought me out.

But I will leave that up to you to decide.

ooc: Your arguments are eminently reasonable, VC-- if you chase up any of those threads I posted you'll hear me making very similar ones-- but having been appraised of the history, I'm sure you can appreciate the move to sever ties. That said... well, Xikuang does have something of a history of ignoring that vote.

But perhaps if this OOC debate is to continue, we should move it to another thread and stop spamming poor Anhierarch. ;)

I would be happy to create another thread, but one one condition: that that thread is IC.

Well, I said that he could ignore that last statement if he had permission.

But anyway, thanks to Xikuang and Seocc for discussing this all with me. It's certainly better than just shouting accusations at each other.

And Anhierarch, I apologize for hijacking this thread.

[Nah, no worries about the unrelated discussion. This way I don't have to tag another thread to keep track of it.

And any communiques recieved, by proxy or otherwise, are carefully collected, debated by the Commonwealth Synod over a nice salad and thoughtfully filed away.]

CACE Report on SATO and Skargarden situation released

For the full report, click here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91160&start=20&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

In a stunning development from the CACE HQ, an exhaustive report on the situation in Skargarden was released. No statement has yet been issued by the Synod, but rest assured that ANN will have the full details.

According to inital information gathered by ANN, a representative of Sailune has been arrested and is being held on the relevant charges by a CACE nation.

Synod for Defense announces relaxation of alert status

In line with a series of moves by defence agencies across the Aperin continent, the Synod for Defense (SoD) has announced the relaxation of alert status for all military units in the nation.

In the western quadrants of Anhierarch, supplies and personnel are currently being transported back to their original depots, in a reversal of the SoD’s initial move to prepare logistics in the western quadrants following the announcement of SATO wargames on the western Aperin coast. Additionally, the status of all CDF units has been returned to normal.

This move has received a positive response from the general public, who, according to interviews conducted by ANN, are generally relieved and more certain that war will not come to the continent.

A Leap Forward for Polymer Research

Following a release from the Synod for Research and Development regarding research into three dimensional "faxing" using polymers for base material, the Synod now wishes to announce that thanks to a generous action by its counterpart in the Arco-Nation of SeOCC, said research has crossed a crucial threshold.

Thanks to SeOCC's earlier research in this field, efficient and productive techniques for the manufacture of polymer based items is now available to Anhierarch, and the Commonwealth Synod anticipates the construction of the first manufacturing plant to begin soon. Tremendous savings in capital are already expected.

Also, in related news, the Synod for Defence has also acquired this data, and is looking into the possibility of lightweight, cost-efficient polymer-based armor. The Synod has not released its expected dates for the first prototypes and field tests, but informs ANN that such developments may be expected "soon".

Soldiers killed in live fire exercises

A fireteam of soldiers was killed today in a tragic accident during regularly scheduled live-fire exercises on one of the islands off the Anhierarhchi mainland. The Synod of Defense is currently reviewing plans for an internal investigation and a comprehensive re-examination of military protocol.

According to information released by the Synod of Defense, the soldiers were killed when incorrect information was used by a mortar support squad, and ANN understands that their deaths, based on initial investigation of the blast site, were quick.

Details have not been released regarding the identity of the soldiers killed, pending the informing of families affected. It is understood, however, that the 4 soldiers were part of the KPR unit of the special forces.

In related news, an officer of the S-1 unit died under unusual circumstances while completing a routine 5 km run. Sources of this publication have suggested a disorder of the heart, pending an official release from the SoD.

Elections On The Horizon; Restructuring Hinted

With the general elections drawing close, the Commonwealth Synod wishes to remind all citizens of this fact, and to encourage all citizens of voting age to make their voices heard.

While the Synods have been characteristically silent at this point regarding the finer details of the elections, sources that wish to remain anonymous claim that a significant restructuring of the framework of government looks likely.

In a surprise announcement, Speaker Myrios has declared that he has withdrawn his candidature for this election, citing personal reasons. The Speaker looks forward to retiring to a minor, tenured position in the University of Andulos, and possibly returning to the military.

SoD Announces Hovercraft Research

In an interview conducted by a radio service based in Andulos regarding the end of the events off the western coast of the Aperin Continent, a question was fielded regarding the future of Anhierarch's military forces. Whilst stressing the need for a small, well trained, modern force, Proxy Ejai Telenu had the following to say.

"...As I was saying, any thug can have power. What's really important is information, and the control of that information. Ramming your finger in the right place is just as effective as a mace - what you need is the knowledge. In the future, I predict that we will abandon the trend seen in militaries over the past few centuries, the tendency to create bigger and more powerful weapons of destruction. Finesse, that's the key here. We already see this beginning to happen in the Navy - the heyday of the massive battleship was over fifty years ago. Granted, they're still effective, but no longer the decisive terror they once were.

In line with this, we will be scaling back on the divisions of MBTs that we possess. At the same time, we have already initiated new research programme, one devoted to developing a new breed of lightweight tanks, and the other concerned firstly with the feasability of hovercraft-based weapons platforms - hovertanks, in other words...."

The SoD has released no details as of yet.

Election results released

After a day of tallying the votes, the electoral comittee has released the results. Here follows a listing of the present incumbents of the major offices.


The Commonwealth Synod
Arbiter Felmir Dastra

Division of Security
Overseer Ejai Telenu

Internal Security Agency
Director Jolon Fikarum

Office of Military Security
Coordinator Wassily Petrov

Division of Intelligence
Director Kisa Yavne

Synod for External Affairs
Overseer Aelena Bjornsson

Department of Trade
Director Telani Arkhant

Office of International Aid
Coordinator Elon Jandah

Office of International Affairs
Coordinator William Paine

Ambassadorial Office
Ambassador Inviolus

Synod for Internal Affairs
Overseer Arthos Kelande

Board of Economics
Director Quin Aldea

Synod for Domestic Affairs
Overseer Monril Kesset

Board of Environmental Affairs
Director Alwyn Scott

Board of Utilities & Services
Director Jahanna Yilso

Board of Transport & Communication
Director Vanya Navye

Department of Research & Development
Director Ereki Ashtar

Board of Information & The Arts
Director Zhang Wen Han

Board of Education
Director Pelana Qenda

Office of Sentient Affairs
Coordinator Inviolus

Department of Immigration
Director Leif Raudesson

Board of Health
Director Chen Li Ren

Board of Social Welfare
Director Elijah Smith

Board of Agriculture
Director Jun Shimada

As one of his first actions in his new position, the Arbiter proposed a fundamental reorganization of the structure of Anhierarchi governance, as may be seen in the list above.

Hovertank Project Scrapped, Funds Rediverted

In a press release from the DoD today, it was announced that the DoD's vaunted hovertank project was just scrapped, citing unfavorable simulation results.

According to the DoD, test simulations of the proposed models were revealed to be far too unstable to support weapons of significant value, and combat situations revealed several inherent weaknesses in the design of a hovercraft, when applied to a combat situation.

The DoD goes on to state that funds earmarked for the hovertank project are now being diverted to a seperate, related project to provide Anhierarch with new armored units for its own defense.

New Industrial Plant Under Construction

In a discreet press conference yesterday, the DoRD made public the revelation that certain manufacturing facilities in the southwest of Anhierarch, currently under construction, were for the purpose of manufacturing unmanned aerial vehicles. The DoRD representative noted with considerable satisfaction that most polymer-based components of the UAVs would be produced using the new methods acquired from SeOCC.

SDA approves funding increase to National Parks Board

At a rather jubilant press conference yesterday, the National Parks Board, which is tasked with the security and preservation of national parks, announced that the Synod for Domestic Affairs had approved its Resource Allocation Request (RAR).

"We're very happy about this, obviously. We've needed these resources for a very long time now, and not only to protect the forests and mountains. Now we'll finally be able to get all those damned vandals away from the Ysfaloth Ruins National Park once and for all. It's terribly important to us, a reminder of the brutality of the bourgeoisie. But anyway. Three cheers, everybody!"

~Quin Manela, spokesman for the NPB

The mood of the press conference was notably ecstatic, and it preceeded a party which lasted long into the night.

Proposed Joint Research Venture

In a joint statement from the Board of Environmental Affairs and the Department of Research & Development, it was announced that there are now 'serious, concrete plans' to construct a sub-oceanic research facility as part of a joint venture with the allied nation of Biotopia.

This publication understands that this joint project is part of Biotopia's much vaunted international geographical project, also known as the BIG project. The first phase of this project involves the establishment of permanent research stations across the continent of Aperin, linked via a field-to-satellite network. Data that is to be collected includes oceanic pollution levels, tidal fluctuations, and volcanic activity. It is also anticipated that this project will lead to more accurate weather forecasting, predictions of cyclones and the conservation of the continental ecosystems.

Current plans for the joint facility include a permanent station on the sea floor, understood to be fairly compact yet featuring such things as berths for several deep pressure submersibles, remote or human piloted. It is anticipated that construction of this portion will be aided by the technical know how from Aqua Atlantica of the NHU. The next portion of the facility would be the above-sealevel component, linked to the sub-oceanic facility. No cost estimates have been released.

Intelligent Home Concept Unveiled

In what seemed to be a routine and standard Housing Complex opening ceremony yesterday, Subdirector Johan of the Synod for Domestic Affairs introduced the small audience to the guest of honor, Director Ashtar of the Dept of Research and Development.

To the continued surprise of the audience in Andulos, the director went on to give a short speech on the future of a networked world. At this point, the director then announced a brief video presentation.

In the presentation, the opening credits revealed the relevance of the director's presence, introducing the intelligent home concept - moving beyond the current standard of several computers in a single home, every single unit in the new complex features full network integration, allowing such conveniences as voice-activated appliances and remote activation ability, allowing the resident to, say, have a hot bath and meal ready the minute she steps through the door.

The director then expounded on the security measures of the system, including but not limited to total deactivation as part of standard public safety exercises. Subdirector Johan then announced an ambitious plan to shift production of new housing completely to the networked form, as well as upgrading pre-existing Housing Complexes to the new standard. The upgrading plan, however, does not include the basic housing units.

CSA Budget Boost

In line with the proposed continuation of the joint efforts on the part of the CACE Space Agencty, the Commonwealth Synod has announced the approval of a significant increase in funding to the Commonwealth Space Agency.

The Commonwealth Synod declined to name the figure, only stating that it was 'a significant increase from the previous level of resource allocation', though the face of the CSA Director Juna Talayn, was borderline ecstatic.

Later on, in related new, the CSA distributed a press release notifying this publication and others regarding present and future projects of the CSA, which include a new line of communications and research satellites, as well as significant contribution to the proposed space station.

OOC Population Cap

As of now, I've decided to OOCly cap the population of Anhierarch at a total of 1.5 billion. All further population growth will be considered in terms of economic growth, ie the 1.5 billion Anhierarchi have the economic strength of x people at y economic level.