NationStates Jolt Archive

Dear members:

Today we start the first sesion of the union's history. The theme is: should we invade Castle Neuschwanstein?

If one of our members don't assist* he would be withdrawn of one of his endorsements.

*Assist means to vote and to write their position.

Goldany, president nation of the Union

Chacren is against the invassion, we should care only of the progress of our region, not of others.

Grand Duke Theodros V

i am in favor of invading castle....., chacren is incorrect, we must expand our territories

ermgard IV

Launching any attack or invasion would be foolish. We are a young region with young countries and we should, as a primary area, be concentrating on securing our borders and improving the economies of depressed nations in our region. Focusing on outward expansion now would be a foolish endeavour and I must concur with Chacren on this issue. Let's not incur the wrath of the international community for taking unwarranted action merely for the reason of taking the action.

Brett Juopin
Foreign Minister
The Rogue Nation of Gorokistan

The action you wish to take is based on the information of a nation that left the region to join the region you were fighting with yesterday and now the region you are speaking of is his home. Serious attention should be paid to the validity and rerasonableness of the information given. The recommendaton could have been made to simply goad us into a fight against much more powerful nations. Logic would dictate that the information received was compromised and should be viewed with the highest skeptisism.

And we are still awaiting the reasoning from the distinguished representative from Goldany as to why he feels this action is warranted and I would like to ask Nipperland for a more detailed reason as well regarding his decision.

Brett Juopin
Foreign Minister
The Rogue Nation of Gorokistan

Our intelligence services have compiled some preliminary reports and the findings support the position of our Foreign Minister. The current estimated popluation of the region is 5.923 billion across their 11 countries. Their smallest country has a population of 80 million. At this population at a minimum of one percent of citizens in the armed forces they would have, together, a standing army of 59,230,000 ready for immediate defense. Also, it should be noted that this is a very conservative number with actual standing forces believed to be much greater. This proposal should never have ben brought forward to a forum and it is my hope that we do not face the wrath of the international community as a result of this. Any action taken wuld be futile and it is the belief iof my government that this issue should be dropped immediately in favor of bolstering regional defense and ensuring the security of our citizens. It is far to early to have imperial ambitions and far to early to think we can walk around with any sort of swager.

Robert Marzupio
Defense Minister
The Rogue Nation of Gorokistan

The economic resourecs are not yet regionally available to undertake such an enormous task. Every nation would be destroying its economy by taking part in the action mentioned here today. My nation has worked hard to achieve the economic prosperity it has and is not prepared to destroy the growing military apartatus simply to appease regional ambitions that should not be looked at right now. The other economies in the region cannot handle this action either, regardless of whether they are looked at as seperate entities or as one group. They are either too small or have economies that are in shambles. The focus must be internally to build the strength and size of the region.

Abraham Jong-Il
Finance Minister
The Rogue Nation of Gorokistan

We request a dialogue on this issue with all member nations, especially that of the president nation. We feel this is a matter of the greatest urgency before a terrible path is taken.

Brett Juopin
Foreign Minister
The Rogue Nation of Gorokistan

Since there has been no other action taken and no dialogue opened within the Union Gorokistan, as regional delegate, is considering this matter to be null and mute. This is done as a result of the vote that has been registered and the lack of response to the overwhelming evidence and arguements presenetd by our nations ministers against this issue. As a result we consider the first meeting of the union to be closed with only the president of the union being able to reopen the discussions. Gorokistan requests that Goldany and other members with participate in an open dialogue on this issue and present their rationale or open the second meeting, with a new issue, ASAP.

Brett Juopin
Foreign Minister

We are against the war.

Finally rational thought has returned to the meeting. We are pleased that your nation has decided the way that they did.

Brett Juopin
Foreign Minister

We request to know the reasoning behind the original decisions of the three other nations. We believe this will allow for a better understanding of the woring of our three new neighbors. Please send these as telegrams. We request this information not be made public.

Brett Juopin
Foreign Minister

Additionally, since most regional countries have developing economies doing a change now would probably hurt their stability and either cause them to stagnate or go into a deflationary cycle. Neither of which is something that the region can afford.

Finance Minister
The Rogue Nation of Gorokistan

That's all fine and good that you are in favor, but why are you in favor. Answers are meaningless without a rational behind them.

Trade is very easy through North America, yet all of the countries have different currencies. The same thing can be established by creating a free trade zone within the Land of Monarchies.

How will it show unity? It will only show that in order to join the region you have to give up a basic power of a national government, to coin money. This is not the responsibility of the region, just as most of the issues before the UN are not their responsibility either. How will trade be made easier? There are other ways to accomplish easy trading without a complete upheaval of the economic structure of every nation. And I completely disagree with the three countries threshold for passing this because that would result in the will of the minority being put before that of the majority. There should be at least five nations approving it, but a better solution would be a super majority because of the large decision and far ranging impact of it. Six nations, from the current eight, no less, should be needed to approve this. And I am willing to vote yes so long as someone can show me a valid, legitimate reason why I should, beyond a one line answer that is just a longer version of yes.

I have changed my vote seeing the reason you have voted no. I now agree that it will cost more money to change it then I am willing too give. I have offiaclly changed my yes vote to NO.

No

This is an intellgence Tag...by a puppet...

CURRENCY:

NO

The voting is closed. Proposal defeated.

new issues?

The next regional order of business to be discussed in the Royal Union will be two fold: 1. Should we create a regional university to allow the top minds from the Land of Monarchies to work together on projects of mutual interest to the region? 2. Should we create a free trade zone in the Land of Monarchies in order to allow trading that does not have any restrictions within the regional borders? Comments can be posted on the meeting page, and only on the meeting page. Voting will commence in a couple of days and voting will be mandatory for union members or penalties will be imposed. Please create a good debate about these issues so that we can advance these issues for the good of the region.

Foreign Minister
The Rogue Nation of Gorokistan

The Goldanian government is in favor of creating a regional university, but we are against the free trade between the nations of Land of Monarchies. That would "delete" some taxes that give money to us, and we use that money helping culture, sports, education, etc. We are definitely AGAINST free trade.

Paul Kruger
Prime Minister

You are aware the levying of tariffs against foreign imports will and does lead to higher costs upon your own nation. This is as a result of nation issuing similar tariffs and thus the creation of a vicious cycle. We urge you to reconsider your position as it relates to the region.

I have to take the same standing as Goldany. I think that the university would help all of our nations and the region. The tarriffs are a secondary concern if wedo have free trade we need a base minimum wage. What is your minimum wage? Mine might be higher or lower. I might gain jobs or lose them this would be bad to our economy if we didn't look into this further. I wouldn't have anyproblem with voting yes if we had the proper safeguards.

I have to take the same standing as Goldany. I think that the university would help all of our nations and the region. The tarriffs are a secondary concern if wedo have free trade we need a base minimum wage. What is your minimum wage? Mine might be higher or lower. I might gain jobs or lose them this would be bad to our economy if we didn't look into this further. I wouldn't have anyproblem with voting yes if we had the proper safeguards.

But tariffs are not the secondary issue here if you are in agreement with Goldany. When taxes are eliminated more money is available in the economy, when more money is available in the economy companies are able to hire more workers, more people working leads to more discretionary spending, which leads to more taxes being collected by the government. Economies expand when people are given tax breaks and greater financial clout. Don't think for even one moment that goods come into your countries at the same cost when you levy a tariff on those products. They are priced higher at the consumer level with the cost being passed onto the customer, your citizens, and taking more money out of their discretionary income. Money can be raised elsewhere than tariffs which cause damage to your consumer.

In regards to the safeguards, what could you propose? A minimum wage across the region is not an acceptable alternative because of the differences in the economies of the various nations. I agree there should be some safeguards, but how can you argue that the free movement of goods and services in our region will not be a good thing. I have no minimum wage and yet still there were so many refugees fleeing to my great nation that we had to begin constructing a wall to keep them out. So lets hear some proposals for safeguards.

Finance Minister
The Rogue Nation of Gorokistan

I think that we as a region will have to come to the table and discuss that. I think that minimum wage is nesscisary, but I think we should disscuss this some other time, together. Companies in my nation instead of hiring Jillians they will hire the poor Gorokistanians for a lesser price. Before I look out for you I have to look out for myself and my citizens.We can build these safe guards then ,and only then will I change my vote. I don't think this is the time to pass this in the Union later after we build the basis for it then we get do this.

King Donald Griffendorn

And upon which standard of living will this wage be based. Your standard in a thriving economy, my standard in a powerhouse economy, or Goldany's in a good economy. People rise and fall on their own merits and minimum wage laws are have no meritorious basis.

Voting is open through December 26 at 9:00am EST. Vote in this forum only.

I was going to propose the free trade some time ago, but i forgot it. Well I am in favour of both things, and I offer my country as the seat of a Regional University. I will send an e-mail to Chacren or I will phone him so he could vote too. :)

I agree with Goldany and Jillland. Free trade would be bad for us but education is always good.
Who's Matrex? He is not a member of the region

Education: yes

Free Trade: yes

Voting Results: Education Free Trade
Gorokistan YES YES
Goldany YES NO
Jillland YES NO
Nipperland YES YES
Chacren YES NO

I am operating under the assumption that the second vote made by Nipperland was in fact the one to be made by Chacren. If that is incorrect please let me know ASAP.

If Nipperland changed its vote on the free trade zone I will note that and await the Chacren vote, which will still be required. If the votes are correct then the following is decreed to the region:

By a vote of 5 YES to 0 NO, the motion on creating a regional university is hereby recognized and passed as a regional proclamation. I will decide who will chair the committee to begin the establishment of said university and lay the ground work for its creation.

By a vote of 2 YES to 3 NO, the motion on creating a regional university is hereby recognized and rejected as a regional proclamation. No further action shall be taken on this issue for 5 NS years.

The Regional University has passed with a unanimous vote and preparations will begin, under the direction of Nipperland, to construct the university and develop its resources. The region must decide where to locate this facility and I believe that since Nipperland made the first offer that is where we should locate it. The location will be the new topic up for vote and will follow the same deadline as the previous vote. December 26, 2003 8am EST. Thank you for your prompt voting.