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21 aircraft carriers and 39 battleships, while with virtually no support systems!? :shock:

21 aircraft carriers and 39 battleships, while with virtually no support systems!? :shock:OOC: Sorry, not good at figuring Navy's IRL lol can you help me? What are you talking about support systems?

21 aircraft carriers and 39 battleships, while with virtually no support systems!? :shock:OOC: Sorry, not good at figuring Navy's IRL lol can you help me? What are you talking about support systems?
OOC: When the USA had 600 ships in the '80es, only about 150-160 were actual combat ones. At your stage, you should be having 10-16 aircraft carriers, and 5-10 battleships. A Nimitz itself costs about $200 millon per year to maintain, so 21x $200 mil = $4.2 billion per year. Pertty big.

The USA has 12 carriers I believe, and in the "^00 ship competition" with the Soviets in the 1980s, it also has 4 WWII battleships (or 3, forgot) with 80-era upgrades.

And about support systems: RO-RO (Sealift) ships, Fast Combat Support Ships, Oilers, Ammunition ships, amphibious assualt/docking/command/etc. ships, submarine tenders, mine countermeasures ships, etc. How could a Nimitz battlegroup stay in the ocean for months? these ships, of course.

Oh, right right right... Can you guesstimate some stats for me? I don't know much about how Navy works... i don't really use it, and I want to keep it minimal. I've evolved beyond a navy, I only really use it for the sea-borne airstrips, everything else merely defends those lol

Also, we are 2010 Tech Level with a population well over 2 times the US, and a All-Consuming/Frightening Economy.

Oh, right right right... Can you guesstimate some stats for me? I don't know much about how Navy works... i don't really use it, and I want to keep it minimal. I've evolved beyond a navy, I only really use it for the sea-borne airstrips, everything else merely defends those lol
Typically, only 1/4 of the entire navy ship numbers will be combat ships. The other 3/4 will be the support ships (2/4 sealift, tenders, etc. 1/4 amphibious ships).

You might also want guided missile submarines (such as the Ohio Class SSGN), Cruisers (Ticonderoga is a good RL one), and Frigates. Guided Missile submarines can pack a bunch, cruisers can also pack a bunch and also provide air defence, and frigates are really effective ships in terms of escort and ASW warfare. You'll also need smaller Corvettes (esentially a small frigate) and other missile boats for coastal defence.

As for support ships, you'll probably want 1-2 fast combat support ships per battlegroup. Also include oilers and ammunition ships if necessary. You'll also want some LHA and LHD (Amphibious assualt) ships, along with amphibious dock and command ships (don't put too many amphibious command ships). Add some landing crafts (LCAC, etc.) in. You'll also want other sealift ships if you want fast cargo delivery and fast troop delivery. These can pack a bunch, although these, unlike the amphibious ships, needs ports.

You need much more helicopters. Utility helicopters (Black Hawk), cargo helicopter (for marines and army), attack helicopters (Apache), and recon helicopters (Kiowa Warrior). You'll also need anti-submarine helicopters (Sea Hawk) and other CSAR (combat search and rescue) helos for your navy.

Air force. I see you use your RB-225, which are based on the An-225, for your bombing force. While these unique creations can be effective, you'll probably need some B-52/B-1/B-2s or Tu-160/22m fo your main strategic bombing forces. You'll also need some tank-killing jets if possible (eg. Warthog, Frogfoot, etc.). You should also have some tactical transport (such as the C-130) and AWACS (Airborne Early Warning and Control System) aircraft. AWACS/Electric warfare aircraft are a MUST. You should also have some S-3B Vikings for your carrier, they are good ASW/patrol planes, along with some P-3C Orion for land-based ASW operations.

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Also, we are 2010 Tech Level with a population well over 2 times the US, and a All-Consuming/Frightening Economy.

Understood, but in this condition, 21 ACCs and 39 Battleships are still too much. Myself only has 12 carriers (5 supercarriers, 7 escort carriers), 6 battleships, and 4 dreadnoughts for my navy (And even that put a large spending for my budget).

Yet, I have only a 780 mil population with a $14 trillion ntl. budget.

You forgot to mention the fact that you'll retreat if the fighting gets to, oh Idunno, WARLIKE. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just joking Ray.
WWJD
Amen.

Can you write up a basic needs navy Stats list? Like how many i'd need of each? keep in mind, the Navy's only purpose is to defend the Sea-Faring Airstrips. The Navy is not the force that lands troops on other coasts. And I use the VTOL Jets (RT-2007s) for transport and support craft.

The Defender-Class Airships serve as AWACs, as do the RT-1907 UCAV Carriers. Also, all the UCAVs double as Spyplanes.

In case you couldn't tell, with the exception of Ground Forces and Navy, We are using only Raysian-Produced technology, especially in the Air Force.

Do you think we are missing anything other than in the Navy?

Can you write up a basic needs navy Stats list? Like how many i'd need of each? keep in mind, the Navy's only purpose is to defend the Sea-Faring Airstrips.

Actually, there isn't really a standard of how many you should have exactly. As long as the navy is reasonable for the puprose, it should be OK.

In this instance, you should have some submarines, destroyers, and frigates, as they are effective "defending" ships.

Do you think we are missing anything other than in the Navy?

As explained, you still need electric warfare aircraft (i.e. jamming radar and communications, evasdrop, etc.) primarily.

You forgot to mention the fact that you'll retreat if the fighting gets to, oh Idunno, WARLIKE. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just joking Ray.
WWJD
Amen.No, I retreat when I get drawn into a fight for no reason and am uninformed about the situation. I went in there expecting spitfires and I got F-22s! We went in looking to liberate a country, but they didn't want to be freed. how did that turn out anyway? Cuz in our view, there was no reason to stay, no way to win. i said if you had a better plan than "attack" i would come back, but nada.

Can you write up a basic needs navy Stats list? Like how many i'd need of each? keep in mind, the Navy's only purpose is to defend the Sea-Faring Airstrips.

Actually, there isn't really a standard of how many you should have exactly. As long as the navy is reasonable for the puprose, it should be OK.

In this instance, you should have some submarines, destroyers, and frigates, as they are effective "defending" ships.

Do you think we are missing anything other than in the Navy?

As explained, you still need electric warfare aircraft (i.e. jamming radar and communications, evasdrop, etc.) primarily.Like I said, the UAVs (Cyphers, bombers, Fighters, and their Carriers that control them) handle all the Electronic spying and jamming. Thats why our UCAVs are so expensive lol

Like I said, the UAVs (Cyphers, bombers, Fighters, and their Carriers that control them) handle all the Electronic spying and jamming. Thats why our UCAVs are so expensive lol

But things such as JSTARS and Rivet Joint will probably do a better job, since it is more effective and can pack a bunch.

I'm sorry, unfamilliar with those terms... JSTARS and Rivet Joints?

I'm sorry, unfamilliar with those terms... JSTARS and Rivet Joints?
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=121 <---Rivet Joint
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=100 <---JSTARS

*googled those terms*

Oh.. OK, Yeah, Like I said, the UAVs and the Air Carriers and the Command Ships handle all that stuff.

maybe I should make that clearer on my tech listing, I need to make a few revisions anyway. Anyway, Can you PLEASE help me with the navy? Just give me the stats you think I should use, like how many of each what, in the same format as the other stuff on the Reference Sheet. I am no good at estimating Navies!

Oh yeah, tech listing link, pic Warning:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1513267

Oh.. OK, Yeah, Like I said, the UAVs and the Air Carriers and the Command Ships handle all that stuff.
OOC: But I doubt that your UAVs are really specialized in these areas, as they need various special equipments, which cannot normally fit in a regular fighter-sized aircraft :P


maybe I should make that clearer on my storefront, I need to make a few revisions anyway.ANyway, Can you PLEASE help me with the navy? Just give me the stats you think I should use, like how many of each what, in the same format as the other stuff on the Reference Sheet. I am no good at estimating Navies!

Although as said earlier, there's really no standards, I can give you what I think would be appropriate for your navy (as your navy's role is to protect your seaborne airstrips):

3-5 Escort carriers
20-30 Larger Frigates
20-30 Destroyers
Some Diesel submarines
Corvettes, missile boats, etc.

More like a coast guard. If you want to form a carrier battlegroup, I'd suggest the following:

6-12 Carriers (not escort carriers, more like Nimitz Class)
12-24 Missile Cruisers (e.g. Ticonderoga Class)
36-48 Missile Frigates (e.g. Oliver Hazard Perry Class)
48-84 Multirole Destroyers (e.g. Spruance Class)
48-84 Missile Destroyers (e.g. Arleigh Burke Class)
48-60 Attack Submarines (e.g. Los Angeles, Seawolf [although Seawolfs are expensive]).

You'll also need some Fast Combat Support ships along with that.
Like I said, various navy taskforces must be specialized for certain things (e.g. bombardment, sea control, etc.). Sorry, can't really give you the stats, but there's the suggestion.

No, The UCAVs only hold small-scale sensors etc, they are used as a network, in conjunction with information from the Carriers, which DO have the Long Range AWACS and JSTARS and all those other abilities.

I updated my tech listing to make it clearer, I just thought it was understood that my UCAVs have many pieces of equipment similar to the Predator and Golobalhawk UAVs, just on a smaller scale.


OK, so I have Spy Planes, I have AWACS, I have JSTAR, I have Transportation... am I missing anything else?

Updating Fact sheet with new navy info.

OK, so I have Spy Planes, I have AWACS, I have JSTAR, I have Transportation... am I missing anything else?

Updating Fact sheet with new navy info.

1. See edited post above.

2. Looks good. Perhaps you'll also want strike aircraft (like the F-15E or land-ized F/A-18 ) and also light fighters (F-16s, etc) to save costs.

I do... I have the RF-12s for light fighting, and the RF-11s for Strike Fighting, and RF-45s for ground support.

As for the Coast Guard... hmmm... Nah, its not important, things are better handled from the air. Like I said, the only reason I have boats is to protect the Floating sirstrips.

EDIT, BTW Thanks for your help man, i think I got everything important covered. We don't use Helicopters much, because of the NVTOLs, and we don't use Navy because we have a good air force. If there is anything that you see flawed with my tactics, please point it out, But I think that about does it.

Budget is not an issue, because our nation supports the military, no low-budget democrat militaries here :) I mean, for petes sake, out anti-air and coast guard is mostly a set of giant guns lol.

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EDIT, BTW Thanks for your help man, i think I got everything important covered.

No problem.

We don't use Helicopters much, because of the NVTOLs, and we don't use Navy because we have a good air force. If there is anything that you see flawed with my tactics, please point it out, But I think that about does it.
Even with a good air force, you might as well also want a decent navy. A decent navy could play good as a companion to the air force.

EDIT, BTW Thanks for your help man, i think I got everything important covered.

No problem.

We don't use Helicopters much, because of the NVTOLs, and we don't use Navy because we have a good air force. If there is anything that you see flawed with my tactics, please point it out, But I think that about does it.
Even with a good air force, you might as well also want a decent navy. A decent navy could play good as a companion to the air force.As you implied, our Air Force is expensive... we'd rather spend time and money maintinaing air superiority. We see no point in having a navy for anything else than defending my airstrips. VTOLs and UCAVs can handle anything a Navy would encounter, and handle it 10 times better.

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*grumble* logged in under the bloody wrong nation-name. bloody thing!

Anyway, thanks for the look!

Armed Republic of Mathonihah
http://pmax.warp1.net/mathonihah.htm

3-month update ^_^ kept the military the same size though