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Well with all this Vampire activity, i got to thinking, why do people think Vampires are cool? I mean, it's not as if they actually DO anything cool. They just sit around, going "Look at me! I'm a Vampire! OH NO! THE SUN!". I mean all they really do is manipulate humans to do all the work and suckyour blood. I would have thought that Werewolves would be more popular on this basis since they DO things, like kill things (Vampires, Trees, Corperations) and the like.Heck even humans are better than Vampires since they have shotguns, and Fire sticks. In comparison, Vampires have the ability to convince people to not to shoot them, Poorly(Earplugs). So if someone could explain it too me, i would appreciate it.

Dan "Vampires? Shotguns!"

Well I have a vampire, another character has turned him. Becoming a vampire offers you a huge amount of new prospects. Let me explain.

1- Time is no longer a factor. Your character can devolp more so than a mortal.
2- You can say you know far more things due to the time you have been on the earth.
3- Target of prejudice, rp that.
4- Relationship with other mortals. Look down upon them?
5- Being outcast by your old friends.
6- Moral questions. Should I kill to survive? Or shall I use blood donors etc.
7- Eternity is a great deal of time to think about your own existance, to find meaning. Vampires can be unique characters if done correctly.

But, vampires can be poorly done and I am not mentioning names, I cnanot think of any offhand. You have to think what it would be like. I have written many things beforehand which my character feels like. Being hunted and the target of prejudice has made my character bitter against those of religous natures.

Anyway, players like vampires because they grant tons of new aspects to RP, from the characters thoughts about becoming a vampire, new scenartios the character will face with other people, and a new world of vampires which they can be part of.

The only gripe I have is that many people overlook these things, and only use thier vmapire status to say "I have lived for millenia, I can kick your ass with my uber powers. I am evil because I am a vampire." etc. I do not mind evil and extremely powerful characters but some players have created a vampire character for the sole reason for having massive amounts of power.

I really can't add much more to what Kain said. Rping a vampire is challenging, if done properly, but opens up a whole new world of possibilities. I don't feel like going into detail here, mainly because Kain already has, but I enjoy it, and evidently others enjoy it too (otherwise it wouldn't be so popular!).

This doesn't necessarily apply to every vampire player, certainly the one who has already replied to this thread has been involved in a couple of the same RPs as me and has been great, but a lot of vampire characters just seem to show up at an RP and then sit by, and mope in the corner in a fit of overdone teenage angst. A lot of vampire players put a lot of effort into this sort of thing, but often it doesn't contribute very much to the actual RP, and isn't particularly original.

I don't have a problem with vampire players - it is a lot like space tech players. There's nothing wrong with good vampire players, its the boring unoriginal ones that give the others a bad name and tick me off. Like Kain Irenicus says, the players who create vampires just to have tremendous power tick me off, just like space tech players who use space tech to god mod.

True that. I prefer to make all my characters have "human" emotions, one of the reasons why I have so few characters. I am trying to take my vampire to a rping positon, one which I doubt has ever been done before. Some of you already know what Kain might face, look at my thread if you want to know what I have been doing.

I try and make my character's vampirism not the only thing to concentrate upon, although he has been doing so right now. Things like loyality, freindship, love, prejudice, acceptance, pride, rage, responcibility and major decisions for a nation. Ok, I am saying I am great, but I think I do these things. Correct me if I am wrong. And the thread I am refering to is this one (hope this link works): http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87780

Kain Irenicus' Saga, the Fate of a Nation

No, you are right, you do those things. 8) But a lot of vampire players just mope around and keep an internal monologue running contemplating suicide whilst drowning in goth angst, and that's all. :roll:

Well I have a vampire, another character has turned him. Becoming a vampire offers you a huge amount of new prospects. Let me explain.

1- Time is no longer a factor. Your character can devolp more so than a mortal.
2- You can say you know far more things due to the time you have been on the earth.
3- Target of prejudice, rp that.
4- Relationship with other mortals. Look down upon them?
5- Being outcast by your old friends.
6- Moral questions. Should I kill to survive? Or shall I use blood donors etc.
7- Eternity is a great deal of time to think about your own existance, to find meaning. Vampires can be unique characters if done correctly.


Eh, my main nation is run by a human taken over by a Gou'ld, an intelligent parasite that speaks through a host body. Allow me to explain:

1- Time is no longer a factor. Your character can devolp more so than a mortal - Gou'ld live for thousands of years.
2- You can say you know far more things due to the time you have been on the earth - OR elsewhere.
3- Target of prejudice - hell yeah - you're a tapeworm with an attitude!.
4- Relationship with other mortals. Look down upon them - humans are seen as animals.
5- Being outcast by your old friends - the whole tapeworm thing.
6- Moral questions. Should I kill to survive? Or shall I use blood donors etc - well this one's similar, in that the host survives, but goes through hell in their thousands of years of slavery and helplessness, remaining semi aware until the parasite leaves them.
7- Eternity is a great deal of time to think about your own existance, to find meaning - Gou'ld masquerade as Gods, and as they display many godlike qualities, they are adept at fooling underdeveloped civilisations.

Basically, it's something fairly unique. Most of the nations in my region know my leader as 'Lord Akh', but know only that I claim to be GodKing of Akhtendum. It allows for RP interaction with normal nations, with a hidden sinister side that is less obvious than an addiction to blood banks. One other interesting factor is genetic knowledge - the offspring of the Gou'ld possess the same knowledge as their predacessors, and it is accumulative. Thought I'd chip in on a non-vampire but similar issue.

Lord Akh and the High Priests of Akhtendum

One of the things that bothers me, is the vampiric immortality. The reason being that, if you've been around for a thousand years or so, your gonna get a real serious phobia about dying (Vampires arn't invunerable) so to see an Elder charge headlong into battle is somewhat disconcerting to the Vampire idea. Morality, i admit is a good hook, being that your superior (in your mind) to everthing else. Though it would be more like
"Why shouldn't i kill this pathetic worm?" because to someone who is a living abomination to life, it would seem like fun! Well a Vampire that accepts what they are anyway.

Vampires are too much trouble to RP for me, I just prefer the other undead. My leader has died three times, but that's not gonna keep her down.

Immortality just grants you immunity to death from time. Vampires cannot be killed by normal weapons, but theycertainly face death fom other quarters. The obvious ones which some vampires face are

Sunlight,
Stakes,
Religous Symbols/Prayers,
Water,
Galic (deteriant)
Fire
Silver

The ones which all vampires face are decapitiation, lack of blood (worst way a vampire can die basicly) and stakes. So a vampire still needs death from anothers hands, but why bother going out and killing a mortal when time will kill them and not you?

An eldar may have a degree of arragance, espically if they are natural born (some vampires can).

Oh and by the way, vampires are NOT naturally evil. The person may change due to the turning, of these new and horrifying experances. Many vampires are good. Do not automaticly assume vampires are in league of evil, they still retain their human qualities. Mainly being freewill and choice. Vampires can choose never to feed of a mortal, instead use blood donors and the like.

Oh c´mon, everything lies in the quality of the RP. The same thing can be sais about elves. And the mayority of my elves have died in battles. They're inmortal, yes. Powerful and magical, but they have to die if they face overwhelming odds. Just make characters retaining some kind of sense.

True that. Retaining some fragility in your characters is a good thing. Also, I prefer to have a weak character and build them up to some powerful status than starting off all powerful. This way, you have a very rich background, one which you can act upon in accordance. And other characters can effect that history.

Oh Kain, you know I didn't say that regarding you. Wise words you have said. You know that I respect your RP, even if the Aelosia's elves despises vampires. By the way, you should do something about that selling of Vampire's teeth...

Oh c´mon, everything lies in the quality of the RP. The same thing can be sais about elves. And the mayority of my elves have died in battles. They're inmortal, yes. Powerful and magical, but they have to die if they face overwhelming odds. Just make characters retaining some kind of sense.

This sums it up for me - it is all in how you RP it! For too many people, a gimmick like being non-human is a crutch for a lack of RP ability, and those are the people who I think most people get sick of, not all non-human characters in general. At least that's my opinion. :)

Ah yes, the vampire teeth. Well I am kind of quasi ignored due to my Shentavo links. They said "I am ignoreing all Shentavos". So kind of goes for me. Anyway, I am going to try again, if you look back in the thread I said some things. If Kain had a nation there would be outrage! Perhaps it might happen in the future.... :lol:

All Vampires become "evil" over time it's just a matter of how long, from a mortal point of view, no matter how humane and kind they are, they will always be recognised by the subconcious as evil, and humans are as a whole apathetic. It'll just be small at first but it's a road that only leads down.

Another thing, silver is a werewolf thing, not vampire (unless your a weird vampire). As for RP quality, I'm, admitidly, new to these boards so im in no position to question the capability of such things. Just that, from what i've seen, your either(supernaturally speaking of course)
1. A Vampire
2. An Elf
3. A weird almalgamation everything

given the wide array of supernatural creatures i just find it odd that these are the only ones i've been able to find.

There's catpeople, foxpeople, lizardman, undead, wraiths, Star Trek races, Orcs, Maiar, Valar, ancient gods, Jaffas. you should take a deep look into this forum. Vampires and elves are just the most common races (I even think that there's more vampires than elves out there)

I would have thought that Werewolves would be more popular on this basis since they DO things, like kill things (Vampires, Trees, Corperations) and the like. :shock:

*plates the doors of his office buildings with silver*

1- Time is no longer a factor. Your character can devolp more so than a mortal.
2- You can say you know far more things due to the time you have been on the earth.
3- Target of prejudice, rp that.
4- Relationship with other mortals. Look down upon them?
5- Being outcast by your old friends.
6- Moral questions. Should I kill to survive? Or shall I use blood donors etc.
7- Eternity is a great deal of time to think about your own existance, to find meaning. Vampires can be unique characters if done correctly.


With the exception of #7, you could do that with a human, they won't live for millennia, but they can be well developed and know penty of things that most don't.

Of course, like many others say, it depends on the quality of the writer...

eh.. I've played V:tM so long I got vampires on the brain... but I do so adore Werewolves too. I have both in my nation.. among "other" things *eyes the Demons*

1- Time is no longer a factor. Your character can devolp more so than a mortal.
2- You can say you know far more things due to the time you have been on the earth.
3- Target of prejudice, rp that.
4- Relationship with other mortals. Look down upon them?
5- Being outcast by your old friends.
6- Moral questions. Should I kill to survive? Or shall I use blood donors etc.
7- Eternity is a great deal of time to think about your own existance, to find meaning. Vampires can be unique characters if done correctly.


With the exception of #7, you could do that with a human, they won't live for millennia, but they can be well developed and know penty of things that most don't.

Of course, like many others say, it depends on the quality of the writer...


Of course but it would come from different quarters. It is different and has a definate reason.

With the exception of #7, you could do that with a human, they won't live for millennia Actually, the average lifespan on one of my main nation's colonies is 2,000 years. Gotta love genetic engineering.

With the exception of #7, you could do that with a human, they won't live for millennia Actually, the average lifespan on one of my main nation's colonies is 2,000 years. Gotta love genetic engineering.

But still time can bring death and loss of meaning for ones life. To think when you are 1000 (for your people) that they are middle aged and have a mid-life crisis.

Rrr!

The only thing that gets me here is when people are... are like

"Gee, your assault rifles don't kill vampires, only stakes, fire and sunlight can! You lose!"

EEEYAAAGGH. That is the epitome of stupidity... I reeeeeaaaallly can't stand it when people do something like that. Assault rifles will kill a vampire as good as a stake will.

Meh. Had to vent. That's my piece.

Rrr!

The only thing that gets me here is when people are... are like

"Gee, your assault rifles don't kill vampires, only stakes, fire and sunlight can! You lose!"

EEEYAAAGGH. That is the epitome of stupidity... I reeeeeaaaallly can't stand it when people do something like that. Assault rifles will kill a vampire as good as a stake will.

Meh. Had to vent. That's my piece.Assult rifles can kill vampires, they just need UV Bullets (see Underworld the movie). Okay, I know that those are a stretch of reality, but aren't vampires?

if you fire a ton full of bullets at a vampire, he will still feel pain. ou can disable a vampire, make him incapable of fighting, but you do not gain immunity. You simply cannot die of it. If you had a rifle blasting its way into a vmapire, the vampire will still be hurt and possibly collapse as the bullets rip through his body. Perhaps it would make him inable of fighting. But he would "live", in a great deal of pain. Of course vampires regenerate, but not that fast often. And if a vampire heals, the bullet would still remain in the body!

Technically vampires are not a stretch on reality, not anymore anyway. Vlad the Impaler was a technical vampire, for he did drink the blood of his enemies, victims, etc. And there are those that now claim to be vampires, due to drinking blood, etc, etc. -slight shrug-

Yeah. But we all like traditional stuff. Besides, I think lightsabers would be doubly effective against vamps. A sword that cuts and burns at the same time is a prize to be reckoned. Too bad they're not real. *sobs*

4- Relationship with other mortals. Look down upon them?.

I can woop any of their a$$es!! Hey I'm mortal!!!!!!!

Technically vampires are not a stretch on reality, not anymore anyway. Vlad the Impaler was a technical vampire, for he did drink the blood of his enemies, victims, etc. And there are those that now claim to be vampires, due to drinking blood, etc, etc. -slight shrug-I'm taking about vampires that can turn into mist/bats, live forever, y'know, things like that. Human imitations are nothing more than real, but actual vampires are supernatural.

Go to hell, I have a lightsaber!

Lightsabers would be effective weapons against vampires, but the vampire would still live....enven though they might be cut in two!

-nods to Resi- Right.

-blinks a bit- Uhh... how could a vampire live if he was decapitated by a light saber?

-goes to research vampires, again.- Eris!! Help!! -L-

Oh sorry decaptiated sure. But I was thinking about cutting him in two at the midsection. If the vampire had enough blood, which I doubt from the bloodlost sure they could survive.

Vampires as a minority require affirmative action. I am suprised that they have not achieved government support, as they have so much in common with your average bureaucrat.

if you fire a ton full of bullets at a vampire, he will still feel pain. ou can disable a vampire, make him incapable of fighting, but you do not gain immunity. You simply cannot die of it. If you had a rifle blasting its way into a vmapire, the vampire will still be hurt and possibly collapse as the bullets rip through his body. Perhaps it would make him inable of fighting. But he would "live", in a great deal of pain. Of course vampires regenerate, but not that fast often. And if a vampire heals, the bullet would still remain in the body!

Of course, this is the NS world. I could sit right on my chair and say it's a godmod, because IT IS!!

Modern weapons, if anything, will kill MORE effectively than a paltry lump of wood.

-nods to Resi- Right.

-blinks a bit- Uhh... how could a vampire live if he was decapitated by a light saber?

-goes to research vampires, again.- Eris!! Help!! -L-It all depends on what -kind- of vampire your fighting. allthevampires in Eris Kallisti are of the V:tM type. thus killing them can only be done by:

1. decapitation
2. sunlight
3. pure and true faith (over a long period of time)
4. another vampire drinking them dry or any other way they would loose all their blood
5. fnord
6. Shooting one directly in the head, destroying their brain.

... now bullets will bring them down to "incapacitated" thus making them unable to move, then its easy to kill them. Stakes won't kill them, just keep the immoble so you -can- kill them...

once again, this is only for people playing vampires with the WoD rules.

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~~~IvyLynn~~~
~Eris's Player~

Edit: arg! I forgot one... #7. Fire

Of course, this is the NS world. I could sit right on my chair and say it's a godmod, because IT IS!!

Modern weapons, if anything, will kill MORE effectively than a paltry lump of wood.you can't ignore vampires unless you ignore the nation itself for other reasons, or you ignore fantasy nations.

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~~~IvyLynn~~~
~Eris's Player~

Rrr!

The only thing that gets me here is when people are... are like

"Gee, your assault rifles don't kill vampires, only stakes, fire and sunlight can! You lose!"

EEEYAAAGGH. That is the epitome of stupidity... I reeeeeaaaallly can't stand it when people do something like that. Assault rifles will kill a vampire as good as a stake will.

Meh. Had to vent. That's my piece.

Meh, they just have a harder time doing it. Thats more or less the point. But hey also have disadventages... so I think it's quite equal

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if you fire a ton full of bullets at a vampire, he will still feel pain. ou can disable a vampire, make him incapable of fighting, but you do not gain immunity. You simply cannot die of it. If you had a rifle blasting its way into a vmapire, the vampire will still be hurt and possibly collapse as the bullets rip through his body. Perhaps it would make him inable of fighting. But he would "live", in a great deal of pain. Of course vampires regenerate, but not that fast often. And if a vampire heals, the bullet would still remain in the body!
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Well, my vamps can die of bulets. I had one of my chars in a RPG offline die thanks to a shot gun.. 2 rounds in the chest, close range. He litterally bit the bullet.

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Lightsabers would be effective weapons against vampires, but the vampire would still live....enven though they might be cut in two!
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Mine would.....

And hear hear to the rest. It's the RP that counts, not the rest.

Realistically though, firing an assault rifle will kill (for good) a vampire just as effectivly as draining all the blood out as the holes will bleed
As for the UV bullets i haven't seen underworld since it seems so cliche'd.

UV bullets are silly. Now the carbon rounds (i.e. wooden bullets) from Ultra Violet were far more sensible. Needed to hit the heart, but you got a very quick staking.

I think, traditionally, vampires do have problems with silver. Its tied into the perception that silver is a 'pure' metal and vampires (being unholy) hence don't like it. Likewise it may well be tied into why they don't appear in mirrors (silver being the original reflective surface for mirrors).

Likewise, Vampires can't cross running water. Just because WoD and Soul Reaver don't deal with it... doesn't mean it can't be attributed to vampires. I mean, in the original 'Dracula', the vampires needed to be staked, decapitated and their mouths stuffed with blessed wafers to take them out throughly.

I suppose but i always figured that the running water and garlick was the result of the vampires on psychoses, that was ingraind on to the persons subconcious. so that they would beleive that, say, garlick DID repel vampires so when they became one it was unthinkable not to be repelled by garlick. As for the wafers, i personally would'nt want to return to unlife with wafers(ick), blesses or otherwise, stuck in MY mouth :)

Traditionally though, i thought that silver was considered a lunar metal(silver like the moon), so Werewolves, Full moon, Moon metal. I personally haven't seen stuff like that relating to vampires, but then it's not as though i read up on the subject any more

If you put a vampire in an industrial sized cheesegrater, feet first, when would he/she die? Knees (blood loss)? Torso (Human body when separated at the torso empties of 90% of blood in 4 seconds)? Chest (Most organs including the heart destroyed)? Neck (Decapitation)? Or somewhere in between?

Vampires cannot be killed with bullets…

Depends on the vampire, but I am pretty sure that all vampires can be hurt with bullets and whats more, if you do enough damage they will have to spend time regenerating the damage… if their wounds are terrible and they have used all their blood then they will enter often enter a state of torpor where they will need blood to regenerate, even then it will take a long time, often years… so it depends on your idea of “killed”.

Personally, I’d say I could stop a vampire with bullets.

And I like the idea of carbon-tipped bullets because I loved the Ultraviolet TV series… though most vampire systems require the stake to stay impaled and often (in V: tM) this will immobilise them, not kill them… however, often people burn them afterwards or do what they like.

Personally, I’d say I could stop a vampire with bullets.

Oh hell yeah. If someone puts a Glock 10mm barrel to the base of a vampire's head and pulls the trigger, you have an instant decapitation. Game over, silver bullets or no silver bullets. Even if you pump them full of holes, they need to take the time to heal, then you take that head shot.

As for why I now have a vampire/werewolf puppet? A while back my bro and I took care of a nice little RP where he ran a vampire nation. I've got that nation now and I dust them off every now and then when I need a reliable bad guy.

if you fire a ton full of bullets at a vampire, he will still feel pain. ou can disable a vampire, make him incapable of fighting, but you do not gain immunity. You simply cannot die of it. If you had a rifle blasting its way into a vmapire, the vampire will still be hurt and possibly collapse as the bullets rip through his body. Perhaps it would make him inable of fighting. But he would "live", in a great deal of pain. Of course vampires regenerate, but not that fast often. And if a vampire heals, the bullet would still remain in the body!

So if I roll out in an M1A1, and put an Armor Piercing Fin Stabalised Discarding Sabot round into a vamp, he'd still live? Or a HEAT round? THats a godmod if I've ever seen one.

[Personally, as long as there's no decapitation/dismemberment a lightsabre should be pretty poor at killing vampies.

Lightsabres cauterize, people. Cauterization cuts bloodloss like a bitch.

A nice deep gash from a battleaxe will have you bleeding like a stuck pig. A deep gash from a lightsabre (on a vampire) will just hurt like hell and smell funny.

And Imitora, something like that would probably make the poor thing explode. Fairly certain that vampires die when exploded.]

And Imitora, something like that would probably make the poor thing explode.

Good point. Note to self, hunt vampires with 120mm smoothbore...

Out of curiosity… if I were to blow huge hole into the head of a vampire using a high calibre weapon which resulted in a lot of damage to the brain (like a big chunk of it missing) would this reduce their intelligence and would it remove memory/skills permanently?

Then again guys and girls, vampires are un-natural beings so magically they may be able to remember things after loosing half their skull… but I don’t think there have been any good examples I can mention. Though I do like the idea though…

Bang! IQ down to 90

Bang! IQ down to 80

Bang! [huge chunk] IQ down to 50… you’re a vegetable*

* Assumption made, I don’t know how bad IQ 50 really is, but I’m almost sure that IQ 80 and below is considered moronic.

A vegetative vampire.

Wow... never thought of that.

"Dur..... me wanna blud."

Edited for spelling.

if you fire a ton full of bullets at a vampire, he will still feel pain. ou can disable a vampire, make him incapable of fighting, but you do not gain immunity. You simply cannot die of it. If you had a rifle blasting its way into a vmapire, the vampire will still be hurt and possibly collapse as the bullets rip through his body. Perhaps it would make him inable of fighting. But he would "live", in a great deal of pain. Of course vampires regenerate, but not that fast often. And if a vampire heals, the bullet would still remain in the body!

So if I roll out in an M1A1, and put an Armor Piercing Fin Stabalised Discarding Sabot round into a vamp, he'd still live? Or a HEAT round? THats a godmod if I've ever seen one.

Yes they would live. BUT, now here is the big but. Just because the vampire would live doesn't mean they would be able to do anything. Decaptication, yes. Blood loss, yes. So shooting one which one of those rounds would cause a great deal of damage.

The vampire might pass out from sheer pain, being blown a hole through is a pretty nasty experiance. I do not know what a Sabot round is....A heat round would be counted as fire so burning a vampire can be very nasty, can cause death.

Simply depends on the vampire in question.

OOC: I tried making a werewolf nation, but it just never stuck. Out of all of the world of darkness campaigns, werewolf is my favorite, but it just didn't work for some reason. Now I have one vampire.

Werewolfs are harder to do I think, due to the night thing. Wolfweres on the other hand are far easier, where they can change at will.

Lupus characters are better than homid.

Lupus characters are better than homid.

Me sir no comprendi. What?

Yamata no orochi, a nation from a friend of mine, is made of werewolves...

nation of werewolves would be interesting at night time....but an entire nation of vampires would need some really big blood farms, either by cloning blood or....cattle. Or something magical.

A vampire nation could be really difficult to roleplay, because vampires need humans (or better say HUMAN BLOOD) to live, so if everyone is a vampire, then who the hell are you gonna eat? you know... So I Think that it's better to have a Human nation controlled by vampires, it have more sense.

And about werewolf nation, I got one. It's called yamata no orochi. We have stric religious system, and we live in races, like werewolf, fox-womans, and dog-people...

If you want to know... just ask

Yes they would live. BUT, now here is the big but. Just because the vampire would live doesn't mean they would be able to do anything. Decaptication, yes. Blood loss, yes. So shooting one which one of those rounds would cause a great deal of damage.

The vampire might pass out from sheer pain, being blown a hole through is a pretty nasty experiance. I do not know what a Sabot round is....A heat round would be counted as fire so burning a vampire can be very nasty, can cause death.

Simply depends on the vampire in question.

That is what we like to call a godmod. An APFSDS is a tank round. The vampires body would evaporate if it buy it. There is no way in hell it would survive. I dont what the acronem (Sorry, I know the spelling sucks, but I have a killer migran right now), but a HEAT round is another tank round that on impact turns the round into a 3 foot long jet of liquid molten. If your telling me a vamp can survive that, then Im gonna start saying my human characters are bullet proof, and your vampire powers have no effect on them.

Lupus characters are better than homid.

Me sir no comprendi. What?

Lupus are werewolves that are naturally wolves. They have the ability to regenerate, and can go to wolf form easier. Homid is a werewolf that is naturally human. There is one that is naturally a werewolf, but it is sort of......inbred.

Vampires, as I RP them, are quite vulnerable to many different things.
Severe impact to the heart is fatal to the creatures. While this can be accomplished by any sort of weapon, wood is the most effective device against it. We use wooden stakes and crossbow bolts..but that is more of a matter of tradition.
Sacred and religious items also seem to be used in great affect against the unholy creatures. Crosses and churches seem to weaken the creatures greatly.
Sunlight....UV radiation is fatal to the night-walkers.
If the body is broken, disintergrated, or otherwise blown to bits the vampire is powerless. Even though they have incredible powers of healing and regeneration, they are not that...good.

We believe in werewolves...how every they are incredibly uncommon in my nation.

I rp with one Vampire. He was one of my SOET prior to becoming a vampire. But afterwards, he underwent many experiments by our scientists (we have some of the smartest people in the world) and is now no longer affected by the sun. Many may think this is godmodding, but there is only one.

If I pop a Vamp with a round that would blast him to bits, does he recombine, or is it counted as disintigration? Likewise, if I nail one with a pain beam (nonlethal to humans, but has UV rays incorporated, like REAL BAD SUNBURN) would it just up and die, or will only natural sunlight drop them?

If I pop a Vamp with a round that would blast him to bits, does he recombine, or is it counted as disintigration? Likewise, if I nail one with a pain beam (nonlethal to humans, but has UV rays incorporated, like REAL BAD SUNBURN) would it just up and die, or will only natural sunlight drop them?
I use artificial UV lights.

Basically, I want to know if NS Vamps need to be killed with "classic" weapons, or if I can dispatch them with modern or future tech. I have Vamp-type characters in a puppet-enemy I'm grooming for future use, but they die to normal means (just a lot of them). Do most NS players follow that rule, or is it crosses and stakes galore?

If I pop a Vamp with a round that would blast him to bits, does he recombine, or is it counted as disintigration? Likewise, if I nail one with a pain beam (nonlethal to humans, but has UV rays incorporated, like REAL BAD SUNBURN) would it just up and die, or will only natural sunlight drop them?

Again in these examples it all depends for example a White Wolf vampire only takes initially what is classed as Subdual damage from a gun but do enough and it will add up to more serious damage eventually... possibly if you can get past the soak.

Also to a White wolf Vampire a UV light does Jack and S**T it has to be REAL sunlight to hurt them, this is because WW Vampires are cursed by God for the sunlight to hurt them, it is the Sun itself and not the Science that make the Sun work. (If you read Terry Pratchet that may provide the best explanation in Hogfather, if the Hogfather died then the Sun would cease to be, it would simply be an Object in space with a Mass, and a Reaction occuring within it, not the Sun. Something makes it more than a Giant Reactor and into a Sun.... it is that little bit more that hurts a Vampire)

If it was Dracula then the UV torch is useless again Dracula simply didn't have his Uber Powers during the Day, each vampire is different you see... asking for a broad will this work is impossible, since every Mythos used has different rules.

You talk about subdual damage. I can see that with light weapons, but if an exposed being is smacked with a railgun, it goes poof. Laws of physics. Unless Vamps have sheilds in their genes...

Anywho, how do I know what type of Vamp. Are there clues, does the player declare it, or do I have to "Oh Shit" my way through to figure out what off's them.

Eventually the Rail Gun would make it past the subdual, actually rather quickly, the main intention of this rule is to prevent I think in the game Vamps rushing around shouting each other.

I do happen to know that during the Battle for New York the Brujah Archon Theo Bell was spotted dispatching many a Sabbat member through the liberal use of a Shotgun to the head...

Still it also depends on the age with many Vampires (Again WW as an example) A New Born vamp is merely a little better than a human but not by much, (Shot Guns to the head instant decapitation for example) While an Elder might shrug of the first such blow, maybe even the second the third would take him down however. A Antidulvian meanwhile took 3 Nukes and Two Spirit Nukes after fighting for two days in a fight with some real Uber creatures... and he was the weakest of the Antidulvians.

Of course no one here should have an Antidulvian, but you can see the added problem age is often a factor... As for what you should do, well first ask the person what Mythos they are using, just to give you a base line after that Muddle through as your guy wouldn't know what the Vamp can do anymore than you do!

I like to go by the mixing the rules of Blade and John Carpenter's Vampires.

They can be killed by the methods I listed before but, the Hive Masters are substantially stronger than their lesser brethren.

I like the Age/Seniority system.

Eventually the Rail Gun would make it past the subdual, actually rather quickly, the main intention of this rule is to prevent I think in the game Vamps rushing around shouting each other.

I do happen to know that during the Battle for New York the Brujah Archon Theo Bell was spotted dispatching many a Sabbat member through the liberal use of a Shotgun to the head...

Still it also depends on the age with many Vampires (Again WW as an example) A New Born vamp is merely a little better than a human but not by much, (Shot Guns to the head instant decapitation for example) While an Elder might shrug of the first such blow, maybe even the second the third would take him down however. A Antidulvian meanwhile took 3 Nukes and Two Spirit Nukes after fighting for two days in a fight with some real Uber creatures... and he was the weakest of the Antidulvians.

Of course no one here should have an Antidulvian, but you can see the added problem age is often a factor... As for what you should do, well first ask the person what Mythos they are using, just to give you a base line after that Muddle through as your guy wouldn't know what the Vamp can do anymore than you do!

So you play WoD AND Warhammer. Interesting.

Mmmm.... antediluvians.

What if Cain (From the WoD) came back?

Mmmm.... antediluvians.

What if Cain (From the WoD) came back?

OMFGZ!!!!!!!!!!SHIFT 1 HELD DOWN!!!!!!!! I n00kz ju!

That's what.

Gehenna, I suppose, but anyway many Sabbat vampires have report what they believe are Cain "sightings".

It would be ignored… but to answer your question, most of the vampires on the planet will probably die as all the really old vampire raise from their sleep and eat the young ones for some reason I used to know but have now forgotten.

Meh… any WoD vampire lower then 5th generation gets used in NationStates I’m going to ignore it. Seeing as I’ve seen the 9th level disciplines that can be done…

Personally in my opinion, anything that can deleiver a subsancial hole to the target would kill anything. For instance, whilst rail guns being super powerful , wouldn't leave that big of a hole, on the other hand a shotgun would leave a hole the size of your head. Also, any vampires with a Gen less then 5, please come for a stroll in my country. my military is somthing of a godmod at the moment but having them as imbued hunters with top level abilities would be the icing on the cake...... :evil:

It would be ignored… but to answer your question, most of the vampires on the planet will probably die as all the really old vampire raise from their sleep and eat the young ones for some reason I used to know but have now forgotten.

Meh… any WoD vampire lower then 5th generation gets used in NationStates I’m going to ignore it. Seeing as I’ve seen the 9th level disciplines that can be done…*shifty eyes... hides Lady Anavrin* hehe actualy I have no idea what Gen Lady Anavrin is anymore. She's a diablorist though, so she got her gen fair and square... I think I'd have to put her at 6th gen. She's rather powerfull, but -most- of her powers are deffensive (ie: Fortitude). She's been torped so many times she keeps forgetting things too, and she has no memory of what's happened with her past 200 years back.

Well… that’s much better then those vampires that claim to be a couple thousand years old and then act like it they haven’t been some how effected by living for so long…

Anyways, 6th Gen isn’t as bad as 5th… that’s when you get the power to destroy something if the flick of a finger and make entire city blocks riot (check out the Sabbat 9th level Dementia ability, they describe it as the mental equivalent of a nuclear bomb which makes humans riots, vampires feed and werewolf’s frenzy…)

But I ignore below 5th Gen because that’s when they are no longer really old, but biblical… and I’m not fighting those kinds of wars…

LOL I might just have to do some brushing up on the Sabbat *digs through books* hehe

actualy I've been in a wierd werewolf mood lately. been making a new pack of BSD *grins*

Noooooo!!!1!!! The perverted messed up bedfellows of the Pentex corporation who walk the spiral into the umbra pit thingy… damn, WoD werewolves are really messed up… they are basically Eco-Superwarriors…

*chuckles* have you read through my website for Eris Kallisti? If you pay attention to my main exports you'll find Pentex companies listed as the manufactures(sp?) :wink:

WW is making all of the books that finish off the games in a month or two. I get to play as a werewolf through the apocalypse. Joy!

hehe it should be some interesting RP at the very least... though if my table top players and I don't like how WW handles things we'll ignore it and play things out differantly

Actualy I'm a huge Demon: the Fallen player... I'm more curious to see how they'll end that seeings that it -just- came out

Mmmm.... antediluvians.

What if Cain (From the WoD) came back?

An Oracle of Matter would turn him into a deck-chair.

Okay, so this is a private theory from a man who likes Mage, but doesn't like Vampire :)

The Oracle of time would go back and stop the madness before it began.

Yep, another Mage fan here who thinks that vampires are weak.