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The VanHelsing society has decided to open it's pits and make these objects available for sale. They have just been gathering dust since the vampire purge and we are making them available for the first time on the world market.

Imagine adding a stunning vampire tooth pendant to that hunter outfit, be the envy of the iquisition when you sport this new accent piece at the next meeting of you demon hunter group.

We have services available to mount these items on rings, belt buckles, hatbands, necklaces, whatever !!!!

Standard cost is $100/tooth
$500/ring
$400/ all other mountings

If you order now we will throw in a free sharp stake with a secret compartment to hide your holy water or make-up in.

Order now supplies are limited.

Disclaimer, objects are intended for decoration only. They are shipped in thier natural state so they will be sharp. Not intended for children, the elderly or hamsters. They have been coated to prevent sunlight damage. Not responsable for damages caused by misuse. Please direct all attacks to someone else....we don't care.

And how would you feel if I adorned my belt with your human skulls hmm? Or even sold them? Prejudice is rife against us, you are fueling the ignorant flames.

And how would you feel if I adorned my belt with your human skulls hmm? Or even sold them? Prejudice is rife against us, you are fueling the ignorant flames.

I think you should ask how I would feel if you and your kind consumed the vital essence of my kind to sustain your unholy life. Or perhaps if you sold that same essence in the form of novelty cigars. People are prejudice against you because YOU DRINK OUR BLOOD. so don't go throwing the prejudice card in our face.

And I think you meant to say " fueling the flames of ignorance". This is also incorrect, I am trying to prevent people from becoming enthralled by your evil kind.

*sigh* I shall explain and defend myself as I have done so many times.

Firstly I do not kill to drink blood. Do not judge vampires on the worst examples. I am sure if I judged your race by your worst criminals and villians and say that your all of your race was evil because I have seen these people, you would complain. I would call you rapist, murder traitor and insane which obviously are false.

I drink blood from blood donors, I do not kill humans. I do not force others to be turned. Such a thing is a crime, and I encourage you to kill those who do so.

My "unholy" life? In comparison to what? Who is to say that your life is any holier? How can you judge holiness anyway? Is it the almighty judgement of your religon? A fanatic could walk upon to one of God' angels and say that it was unholy, it doesn't make it any more more good or evil. And even if your idea of hoiness was correct, you judge me upon the worst examples of vampires. And you don't even know me obviously. You barely know me, let alone your generalist judgements upon vampires. How can I not call you prejudice? It says here in the dictonary-

Prejudice - (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics.

Yes I sell the same essance in my cigars. Blood. But how can you say that such a thing is evil? Do you not kill animals and use thier flesh for food? At least with my own feeding, my food source remains alive through thier donations. Hypocrite.

And as I have said before, I do not turn people against thier will. And I am sure you are going to say that turning people is evil too, that I should not "taint" thier minds. Well, the same applies to any thought, just depends on your opinion.

I am not defending those who do turn and attack humans. I hate them, for they are those which have made you think such thoughts. I myself have killed vampires who have commited such foul acts. But, you should judge us not upon the rumors and half-truths of vampires, but on the individual's case, as I do with your species! I have seen the human side of vampires, and now I see the beast side of man. I only hope that you can see your hypociricies and ignorance, for you and your people's sakes.

Kain Irenicus

Well of course you only drink blood from willing donors. Of course you do. We have as much reason to believe that as we do to disbelieve the words of Celebourne on the grounds that a fanatic could be say them, too. After all... a mass-murdering leech could never, ever claim to be a nice person. None of them would ever lie to us in order to win our friendship so we would be easy to rape, kill and eat. Of course not.


We call your kind unholy because they have demonstrated themselves to be such. The aversion to holy water, the restriction to staying out of the sunlight... the effects of a holy symbol? Remember those...
...we don't need to be fanatics to know that the trappings of Godly men harm your kind. And if teh Lord strikes your people through His impliments, when He strikes not murderers and rapists that way, then it is reasonable for even the most reasonable of clergy to conclude that you are unholy and by it so much worse than any crime that can be committed by one who is still human.

You seek to 'dispel our ignorance' with a tissue of self-serving lies, Exile. Get thee gone from the sight of the Lord, lest He strike ye with His wrath.

:::Confidential E-Mail:::

To: VanHelsing Society

From: Omnirom Corporation

Subject: Vampire Teeth for Sale

Message:

We would like to make some queries about the stock levels of you Vampire Teeth product, we would like to make to purchase a rather large quantity of these teeth for our own uses within the Omnirom Corporation, mainly as for our R&D divisions but also to be marketed as “Authentic Vampire Teeth” for the rich Goth of today’s youth.

Seeing as we can appreciate that such an item is hard to come by and as such we are willing to pay the inflated price of $300 (USD) per matching pair of teeth (without processing, we’ll do that ourselves). We would also like to buy the details of the formula you use to keep the teeth from deteriorating during sunlight as we are going to be modifying at least some of the teeth for human use in upper-class nightclubs.

Please contact us ASAP with details of your stock levels as well as the cost of the formula we will need.

Thanks,

Hans Gunwitz
Omnirom Purchasing Division Director


OOC: This is Free Iuthia, it has a history (you would have to be from Urbanites to know most of it) and it is independent of Iuthia, Iuthia cannot be involved in their affairs because I don’t use the two like that, they don’t like one another for good reasons. Note that Omnirom has yet to actually give out details of where they are from, if traced this e-mail will have come from a smaller company in Miserablia (see Iuthian map, it’s next to Iuthia)

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{We are interested in purchasing several sets of your finest teeth. While We}
{are disappointed that they are not Shentavo, We are willing to accept some}
{of higher quality.}
{Thirteen sets would be sufficient. We would like 8 matching rings, and ten}
{pendants.}
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Automata Omicron Blu
Speaker of the Holy empire

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Membership: Triumvirate of Yut, Ur Trade Pact, Deus Ex Humana Consortium

I will buy 1,000,000 teeths

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{We are interested in purchasing several sets of your finest teeth. While We}
{are disappointed that they are not Shentavo, We are willing to accept some}
{of higher quality.}
{Thirteen sets would be sufficient. We would like 8 matching rings, and ten}
{pendants.}
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(OOC: You IGNORE the Shentavos remember. If you IGNORE them, don't even mention them. As far as your RP is concerned, when you IGNORED them, all knolege of them went *poof*

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Automata Omicron Blu
Speaker of the Holy empire

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Membership: Triumvirate of Yut, Ur Trade Pact, Deus Ex Humana Consortium

(OOC: You IGNORE the Shentavos remember. If you IGNORE them, don't even mention them. As far as your RP is concerned, when you IGNORED them, all knolege of them went *poof*

ooc:

NO WAY! You're joking, right? You mean, that is what ignoring someone meant? Gosh, I thought it meant that I simply... you know... ignored them.

*rolls her eyes* This entire thread is meant to be a joke, in my opinion, so I responded in kind.

(OOC: You IGNORE the Shentavos remember. If you IGNORE them, don't even mention them. As far as your RP is concerned, when you IGNORED them, all knolege of them went *poof*

ooc:

NO WAY! You're joking, right? You mean, that is what ignoring someone meant? Gosh, I thought it meant that I simply... you know... ignored them.

*rolls her eyes* This entire thread is meant to be a joke, in my opinion, so I responded in kind.

I don't that this was a joke thread, just my two cents

And how would you feel if I adorned my belt with your human skulls hmm? Or even sold them? Prejudice is rife against us, you are fueling the ignorant flames.

I think you should ask how I would feel if you and your kind consumed the vital essence of my kind to sustain your unholy life. Or perhaps if you sold that same essence in the form of novelty cigars. People are prejudice against you because YOU DRINK OUR BLOOD. so don't go throwing the prejudice card in our face.

And I think you meant to say " fueling the flames of ignorance". This is also incorrect, I am trying to prevent people from becoming enthralled by your evil kind.

Do you eat meat? If so, aren't you even worse then we? We do not have to kill for our nurishment, and most of us do not do so. I agree tottally on killing those who do. I have done so a couple of times myself, and will continue doing so when I find out.

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We call your kind unholy because they have demonstrated themselves to be such. The aversion to holy water, the restriction to staying out of the sunlight... the effects of a holy symbol? Remember those...
...we don't need to be fanatics to know that the trappings of Godly men harm your kind. And if teh Lord strikes your people through His impliments, when He strikes not murderers and rapists that way, then it is reasonable for even the most reasonable of clergy to conclude that you are unholy and by it so much worse than any crime that can be committed by one who is still human.
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*Takes out a small cross* We are harmed by your lords symbols you say? I beg the difference, for clearly. I am not. We are only harmed by those who wish to do us harm, and have true faith(OOC::: only about 1 out of ever 100 priests has it these days, so go figure). So do not believe that folkore.

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Well of course you only drink blood from willing donors. Of course you do. We have as much reason to believe that as we do to disbelieve the words of Celebourne on the grounds that a fanatic could be say them, too. After all... a mass-murdering leech could never, ever claim to be a nice person. None of them would ever lie to us in order to win our friendship so we would be easy to rape, kill and eat. Of course not
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Why would we lie? What is the use for it? We are in control of our country at the moment. Would it not be easier for us to dominate every human out there, and then use them as caddle, or to rule them with a iron fist? It would, be we do not.

Take the decency to call me by my name, lest I treat you wit the same amount of respect mortal.

True, some spells do work against vampires which use the power of your God. As do your religous men's spells work against other "holy" men. But...consider this. Perhaps it was the individual who takes such damage from God, not all vampires suffer the same. I myself do not take damage from sunlight, religous symbols, silver or prayer. I am not sinless, but neither are you. god can strike down upon all sinful beings.

Still, you are narrowminded. Surely even if all vampires where evil, which they are not, there are exceptions, yes? We still have free-will, we are not mindless beasts. Check for those who are not "evil".

And to your comment on self-serving. How dare you! Just the same way that a black person would protest prejudice against him, would he be self serving just because he would be helped? What would you have us do, have humans argue for us? And lies...what lies are there? That we beings with morals, freewill and individaulity just like you? That not all vampires are "evil" or savages?

Religon is a powerful tool for the tyrant often I have found....I doubt that you are one, your faith seems well placed, yet you do not see the full picture. A vampire is a person. I do not know much of your religon, but this I do know you are bound to:

"Love thy neighbor" Wheter black, white, leper or vampire.

"Paying for teeth? Nah, better get yer own. Ye know what the best part is? When ya smash da teeth in on a leech they grow right back when ye splash'em with Blood." Mr. Samarian is seen hitting a groaning man hanging from silvery chains right in the mouth with a knuckleduster. "Take dis'un, straight from Bloodreign. I'm makin me missus a new necklace" Another good hit on the cheek with teeth flying is followed by a mug of chickenblood splashed on the groaning mans face. Camera Zooms in, registers regeneration, zooms out and fades away.

Veganian Government today released an official denial of any strange things happening in the interrogationcells in Vegana City. Spokesperson Marcia Wallaby:

"We have all seen the so called snuffmovie of a Vampire being beat to pulp by a man in a cellar. Even if the Veganian solution to Vapirism was pretty clear in the campaign "Stake'em" we do not believe they should be handled in business purpose. No vampires from Bloodreign are being beaten just to sell their teeth, and that's official."

Director of Racial solutions, Mr. Slobodan Jovanovic, makes the following statement:

"The whole movie is fake. Vampires has no feelings what so ever, the only good vampire is the one on fire or on a stake. If we had any Vampires in custody they would be staked and burned after receiving a fair trial."

"Love thy neighbor" Wheter black, white, leper or vampire.

ooc:

I'm pretty certain that Jesus was not acknowledging the existance of Vampires with that statement.

What was said, in Hebrews 9:27, is that "it is appointed unto men to die once, and then the judgement".

Also, the bible can be quoted in many places, principly the Old Testament, where drinking blood is condemned. In fact, God forbids it in Genesis 9

3) Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4) But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
5) And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
6) Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

In the New Testament, Paul writes in the book of Acts:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from the drinking of blood

and then again

28] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from the drinking of blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Just food for thought.

That was an OOC post right? I know, it was not directly refering to vampires, but the fact that it says "love thy neighbor" as in care for one another is certain.

A group of vampires in the Five Civilized Nations are angered by the market for vampire teeth. A task force was created to stop this disgusting trade...

In a dark street alley, a man is talking on a cellphone, "Vampire teeth, eh... We'll make them pay for killing vampires..."

Suddenly a car drives back, the riders on the car firing their machine guns... The man in the alley shudders from the impact of the bullets, falls to the floor and dies...

That was an OOC post right? I know, it was not directly refering to vampires, but the fact that it says "love thy neighbor" as in care for one another is certain.

ooc:

Yes, that was an ooc post, and "Love Thy Neighbor" seems to only include those that naturally exist around us. Since Vampires are an abberation, and abomination to the natural order, I would say that they would not be included.

Plus, one can still "love their neighbor" while carrying out the word of God's Law. Just because Vampires have to be destroyed to rid them of their sin, it does not mean that the person destroying them does not love them.

Furthermore, if a vampire repents, changes his/her ways, attempts to once again become a child of god, then the only answer would be for that vampire to take his/her own life. The bible quite blatantly forbids many of the practices that Vampires must do in order to survive, and so a vampire must stop or be in a perpetual state of sin.

That was an OOC post right? I know, it was not directly refering to vampires, but the fact that it says "love thy neighbor" as in care for one another is certain.

ooc:

Yes, that was an ooc post, and "Love Thy Neighbor" seems to only include those that naturally exist around us. Since Vampires are an abberation, and abomination to the natural order, I would say that they would not be included.

Plus, one can still "love their neighbor" while carrying out the word of God's Law. Just because Vampires have to be destroyed to rid them of their sin, it does not mean that the person destroying them does not love them.

Furthermore, if a vampire repents, changes his/her ways, attempts to once again become a child of god, then the only answer would be for that vampire to take his/her own life. The bible quite blatantly forbids many of the practices that Vampires must do in order to survive, and so a vampire must stop or be in a perpetual state of sin.

I cannot really respond to that OOCly. You going to do that IC? It doesn't matter anyway.

I cannot really respond to that OOCly. You going to do that IC? It doesn't matter anyway.

ooc:

*snorts* Like hell am I gonna include that in an IC post. Jokingly referring to the Shentavos in a thread that I errantly thought was semi-ooc is one thing, but directly talking to them?

Even I would consider that a violation of the IGNORED rules.

My main point for typing all of this is to give the people that are still playing with you extra ammo.

You are ignoring the Shentavos???? You are ignoring me then....*poof*
Kinda. Anyways, this arguement was going to come down to religon isn't it, which Kain cannot argue with. It would become an religous debate. Kain aint best happy though....

To: VanHelsing Society
From: The Aelosian Crawlers of Darkness

Can we ask you to kill a vampire?. We're interested in hunting an evil one, we will pay a huge bounty for his capture.

OOC: Bah, that was a to good rant to waste on OOC. SO here we go.

IC:


The moste benevolent Jaar

"Good Evening, God Is Great! It has come to my attention that the foul hellcreatures try to soil the holy book by claiming their right to exist. How dare you even lay your filthy eyes on the holy book. Is it not written "Strangle the beast that feeds on man and thy soul will forever be sinless"?

"Love Thy Neighbor" seems to only include those that naturally exist around us. Since Vampires are an abberation, an abomination to the natural order, I would say that they would not be included. NO! If you live near such a creature, seek it out and smite it with your holy faith, sunshine and garlic. If you dare not do this: call 555-STAKE-EM and do your duty as one of gods most holy childs.

Plus, one can still "love their neighbor" while carrying out the word of God's Law. Just because Vampires have to be destroyed to rid them of their sin, it does not mean that the person destroying them does not love them. No, A person that kills the foul abomination LOVES the sinful soul hidden under the fiendish evil crust that is called body by that walking corpse. Listen to the cries of joy from the soul being liberated on the stake and the burning flame. Listen to the burning body singing out to the Lord and coming to peace with HIM.

Furthermore, if a vampire repents, changes its ways, attempts to once again become a child of god, then the only answer would be for that vampire to take its own life. The holy book quite blatantly forbids many of the practices that Vampires must do in order to survive, and so a vampire must stop or be in a perpetual state of sin and since the holy book also condemns suicide, the ONLY solution is to come to terms with the holy flame or call 555-STAKE-EM .

If you feel a sudden urge for blood, doesn't like garlic or sleep very late. Please call 555-STAKE-EM at come to term with Iesus.

God Bless The Reich!!

God Bless Vegana!!

Death to The Abominations!!

I almost wanna go out and kill some religous people now.....lol

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Kain sighed at the news. He was not giving up yet, but they simly would not get the message, they adered to much to the word of man, than the actions of God.

OOC::: Kain, what about us hosting a pro vampire show =) My nation can easily do that. I also have a nation full of people who like vampires =D

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IC:: The Free Land of Lunoris is declaring that it will launch a pro vampire champain. Furhter more it objects to selling the Vampire teeth. It is the same as selling human teeths, to wich you would surely object.

-Narack
Spokesmen of The Free Land of Lunoris

"As a pro racial equality nation, we find this appalling. We have several hundred vampires in our nation, and they have integrated seamlessly. They all live off of donated blood (blood donation is mandatory, providing you pass a medical check). We would be happy to participate in a pro vampire campaign, as well. Once again, we are appalled by this show of utter barbarianism."

(End of transmission. Private - nobody else knows this)

"Whatever the hell you do, do not let Arcauld hear about this. The last thing we need on our hands is a massacre."

*sigh* I shall explain and defend myself as I have done so many times.

Lies repeated do make the truth.

Firstly I do not kill to drink blood. Do not judge vampires on the worst examples. I am sure if I judged your race by your worst criminals and villians and say that your all of your race was evil because I have seen these people, you would complain. I would call you rapist, murder traitor and insane which obviously are false.

My people do not need to rape, murder , be a traitor or insane to survive. Yours must drink blood. I think there is a large differance here.

* I drink blood from blood donors, I do not kill humans. I do not force others to be turned. Such a thing is a crime, and I encourage you to kill those who do so.

How can we tell one from the other ? I think this "donor" is a pleasant lie meant to pull the woll over the eyes of the world. Have you never killed ?

My "unholy" life? In comparison to what?

Those who are not the undead.

Who is to say that your life is any holier? How can you judge holiness anyway? Is it the almighty judgement of your religon? A fanatic could walk upon to one of God' angels and say that it was unholy, it doesn't make it any more more good or evil. And even if your idea of hoiness was correct, you judge me upon the worst examples of vampires. And you don't even know me obviously. You barely know me, let alone your generalist judgements upon vampires. How can I not call you prejudice?

What you forget is that not all prejudices are wrong. I will always assume that a viper will bite me, and that a killer will kill me. Vampires are both, so yes I am prejudiced, it is a survivle instinct.

Yes I sell the same essance in my cigars. Blood. But how can you say that such a thing is evil?

No more evil than selling vampire teeth.

Do you not kill animals and use thier flesh for food? At least with my own feeding, my food source remains alive through thier donations. Hypocrite.

The first time my food source asks me stop I will, can you say the same ?

And as I have said before, I do not turn people against thier will. And I am sure you are going to say that turning people is evil too, that I should not "taint" thier minds. Well, the same applies to any thought, just depends on your opinion.

Most thoughts don't kill and turn you into a blood eating beast.

I am not defending those who do turn and attack humans. I hate them, for they are those which have made you think such thoughts. I myself have killed vampires who have commited such foul acts. But, you should judge us not upon the rumors and half-truths of vampires, but on the individual's case, as I do with your species! I have seen the human side of vampires, and now I see the beast side of man. I only hope that you can see your hypociricies and ignorance, for you and your people's sakes.


Two things : First if you can provide proof of the vampires that you have killed we will be happy to pay the bounty. Second For our people's sake, are you threatining me ?

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{We are interested in purchasing several sets of your finest teeth. While We}
{are disappointed that they are not Shentavo, We are willing to accept some}
{of higher quality.}
{Thirteen sets would be sufficient. We would like 8 matching rings, and ten}
{pendants.}
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Automata Omicron Blu
Speaker of the Holy empire

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Membership: Triumvirate of Yut, Ur Trade Pact, Deus Ex Humana Consortium

The are being shiped to you. Please wire payment. Thank you for your business. We can see about locating some SHentavo teeth for you....

Remeber this is the Van Helsing society not Celeborne

I will buy 1,000,000 teeths

Sorry, that would be our entire stock, please reorder with a smaller amount. thank you.

*rolls her eyes* This entire thread is meant to be a joke, in my opinion, so I responded in kind.

You are correct !!!!

A group of vampires in the Five Civilized Nations are angered by the market for vampire teeth. A task force was created to stop this disgusting trade...

In a dark street alley, a man is talking on a cellphone, "Vampire teeth, eh... We'll make them pay for killing vampires..."

Suddenly a car drives back, the riders on the car firing their machine guns... The man in the alley shudders from the impact of the bullets, falls to the floor and dies...

:?:

To: VanHelsing Society
From: The Aelosian Crawlers of Darkness

Can we ask you to kill a vampire?. We're interested in hunting an evil one, we will pay a huge bounty for his capture.

We need a name, location, and idea of powers possesed. Please TGram me.

To: Omnirom Corporation

From: VanHelsing Society

Subject: Vampire Teeth for Sale

Message:

Our current stock is about 2 million teeth. We would be willing to sell a respectable customer such as yourself up to half of the stock. If you wish them to placed in settings it will take some time, if not we can ship immediatly.

We thank you for the larger price, and with an order of 500,000 or more we will supply the details of the compond used on the teeth.


In Service,
Comander Christoph
VanHelsing Society

Meh, vampires..........I dun believe in them *poof* :P

Anyone else wanna have a go? :lol:

The are being shiped to you. Please wire payment. Thank you for your business. We can see about locating some SHentavo teeth for you....

Remeber this is the Van Helsing society not Celeborne

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{We are most pleased. Monies have been transferred, with an additional}
{"incentive" to assist in your search for Shentavo teeth.}
{As a further note, We would be willing to pay a SUBSTANTIAL amount}
{for a full Shentavo skeletal structure, though We would be pleases merely}
{to recieve a skull and jaw structure.}
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Automata Omicron Blu
Speaker of the Holy empire


My bad... *sigh*

Anyway, the "incentive" is 5 billion credits, worth (in current exchange rates) of 1.68 USD per credit, making it 8.4 billion USD.

The are being shiped to you. Please wire payment. Thank you for your business. We can see about locating some SHentavo teeth for you....

Remeber this is the Van Helsing society not Celeborne

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{We are most pleased. Monies have been transferred, with an additional}
{"incentive" to assist in your search for Shentavo teeth.}
{As a further note, We would be willing to pay a SUBSTANTIAL amount}
{for a full Shentavo skeletal structure, though We would be pleases merely}
{to recieve a skull and jaw structure.}
:
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Automata Omicron Blu
Speaker of the Holy empire


My bad... *sigh*

Anyway, the "incentive" is 5 billion credits, worth (in current exchange rates) of 1.68 USD per credit, making it 8.4 billion USD.

In the Van Helsing headquarters...
"God is great !! Look at the bonus they sent us !! We must find a Shentavo for them, they could fund our works for years."

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Payment recieved, thank you for your business and the bonus, the search has begun.

It took me a wheelchair borne trip to another nation to realize the obvious, vampires are preditors. Sentient preditors. Humans are their prey.

Good, evil, it makes no difference. These so-called 'undead' hunt us to live. Even those who feed off blood banks are a detriment to society, using supplies much needed by the injured and sick.

I should have realized it a long time ago while looking over Lifeworks data, vampires are parasidic in their nature. Not only do they feed off our blood, our life essence, but off of society itself. They do not contribute, they do not work for a living, it is not in their nature.

I have seen the statistics and I know that any vampire who says otherwise is lying. And why shouldn't it lie?

A vampire is a parasite, a preditor, a hunter...but it hunts sentient prey, prey that can fight back. Confused prey does not fight back as well. Confused prey might not fight back at all! So it is in a parasite's best interest to make it seem benign, or even symbiotic.

In conclusion, this might be one of those rare times when both religion and science agree in some small sense. Vampires are a threat to humanity, and need to be eliminated.

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-Sandman

Payment recieved, thank you for your business and the bonus, the search has begun.*
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[Communication(Van Helsing)] We also regret to inform you that the Bayou Shentavos are not acceptable. Their inbred nature does not facilitate optimum research potential.*
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[End]

Payment recieved, thank you for your business and the bonus, the search has begun.*
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[Communication(Van Helsing)] We also regret to inform you that the Bayou Shentavos are not acceptable. Their inbred nature does not facilitate optimum research potential.*
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[End]

Understood.

Now available Vamipre skull coffee cups. Do you rise with the sun to destroy the undead, what better way to have your coffee. These skull have been sealed and coated with our "Sun-be-gone" to prevent solar damage and had comfortable finger loops added.

And just in time for the Christmas hunting season :Vamopire thigh bone daggers. Stick it to them with style ! These items have been sharpened and carved to not only destroy the dead, but to add a daring flare to your hunting outfit. Guaranteed to do aggrivated damage ! Kill them with there own bones.

More products brought to you by the VanHelsing vampire hunting society.

Now available Vamipre skull coffee cups. Do you rise with the sun to destroy the undead, what better way to have your coffee. These skull have been sealed and coated with our "Sun-be-gone" to prevent solar damage and had comfortable finger loops added.

And just in time for the Christmas hunting season :Vamopire thigh bone daggers. Stick it to them with style ! These items have been sharpened and carved to not only destroy the dead, but to add a daring flare to your hunting outfit. Guaranteed to do aggrivated damage ! Kill them with there own bones.

More products brought to you by the VanHelsing vampire hunting society.

Oh hell yeah! Put me down for four skull mugs (enough for company) and two daggers! ;)

They are being sent.

I should have added prices daggers are $1000, coffee cups are $500

Halloween bump...

To: Commander Christoph, VanHelsing Society

From: Omnirom Corporation

Subject: Re-Vampire Teeth for Sale

Message:

Very well, we will need to test the markets for the time being, so a order of 10,000 will suffice from the time being, our economists would have a heart attack if we bought 500,000 teeth for $75,000,000 (US).

As such we will be purchasing 10,000 teeth from your Society for $300 (US) a pair or $150 per tooth. This works out at around $1,500,000 (US) for:

7,000 Pairs of teeth (must both be from the same vampire)

3,000 Individual teeth (need not be from matching vampire)

We would prefer that all teeth are un-conditioned for sunlight and left I their natural state as though they were just pulled out of the vampires jaws (without blood please).

Naturally we will be requiring the compound that protects the teeth from sunlight because 7,000 of these teeth will be sold to the general Goth population, who may claim to avoid sunlight but in actually they still walk in it occasionally. Seeing as we have not met the order pre-requisite we will be happy to pay an additional $1,000,000 (US) to help pay your research and development costs.

We would also like to purchase:

1,000 Vampire Skull Coffee Cups (Conditioned) = $500,000 (US)

500 Vampire Thighbone Knifes (Conditioned) = $500,000 (US)

2 Complete Male Vampire Skeletons (Unconditioned) = $2,000,000 (USD, our offer)

2 Complete Female Vampire Skeletons (Unconditioned) = $2,000,000 (USD, our offer)

The last to are estimated prices for the skeletons at around $1,000,000 (US) each, we hope this is adequate as our R&D divisions wish to see their full bodies and study them.

Total Sum for future Invoice: $11,500,000 (US)

Thanks,

Hans Gunwitz
Omnirom Purchasing Division Director

OOC: Doh! Wrong nation posted the above… I really need to pay more attention to what I’m logged on as. Not that I was trying to somehow hide the link between Iuthia and Free Iuthia… you’d have to be ad idiot to think that Free Iuthia isn’t a puppet.

To: Commander Christoph, VanHelsing Society

From: Omnirom Corporation

Subject: Re-Vampire Teeth for Sale

Message:

Very well, we will need to test the markets for the time being, so a order of 10,000 will suffice from the time being, our economists would have a heart attack if we bought 500,000 teeth for $75,000,000 (US).

As such we will be purchasing 10,000 teeth from your Society for $300 (US) a pair or $150 per tooth. This works out at around $1,500,000 (US) for:

7,000 Pairs of teeth (must both be from the same vampire)

3,000 Individual teeth (need not be from matching vampire)

We would prefer that all teeth are un-conditioned for sunlight and left I their natural state as though they were just pulled out of the vampires jaws (without blood please).

Naturally we will be requiring the compound that protects the teeth from sunlight because 7,000 of these teeth will be sold to the general Goth population, who may claim to avoid sunlight but in actually they still walk in it occasionally. Seeing as we have not met the order pre-requisite we will be happy to pay an additional $1,000,000 (US) to help pay your research and development costs.

We would also like to purchase:

1,000 Vampire Skull Coffee Cups (Conditioned) = $500,000 (US)

500 Vampire Thighbone Knifes (Conditioned) = $500,000 (US)

2 Complete Male Vampire Skeletons (Unconditioned) = $2,000,000 (USD, our offer)

2 Complete Female Vampire Skeletons (Unconditioned) = $2,000,000 (USD, our offer)

The last to are estimated prices for the skeletons at around $1,000,000 (US) each, we hope this is adequate as our R&D divisions wish to see their full bodies and study them.

Total Sum for future Invoice: $11,500,000 (US)

Thanks,

Hans Gunwitz
Omnirom Purchasing Division Director

OOC: Notice the change in the quote line ?

To: Omnirom Corporation

From: VanHelsing Society

Subject: Re-Vampire Teeth for Sale

This is a most generous offer, and we are more than willing to comply. all requested items will be sent . We are also including the formula for "Sun-be-gone" with the understanding that you will not resale this formula.

Shipment is being made now.

Thank you
Commander Christoph

It took me a wheelchair borne trip to another nation to realize the obvious, vampires are preditors. Sentient preditors. Humans are their prey.

Good, evil, it makes no difference. These so-called 'undead' hunt us to live. Even those who feed off blood banks are a detriment to society, using supplies much needed by the injured and sick.

I should have realized it a long time ago while looking over Lifeworks data, vampires are parasidic in their nature. Not only do they feed off our blood, our life essence, but off of society itself. They do not contribute, they do not work for a living, it is not in their nature.

I have seen the statistics and I know that any vampire who says otherwise is lying. And why shouldn't it lie?

A vampire is a parasite, a preditor, a hunter...but it hunts sentient prey, prey that can fight back. Confused prey does not fight back as well. Confused prey might not fight back at all! So it is in a parasite's best interest to make it seem benign, or even symbiotic.

In conclusion, this might be one of those rare times when both religion and science agree in some small sense. Vampires are a threat to humanity, and need to be eliminated.

-Sandman

And what about a group of vampires that freed an entire nation from the graps of a vampire tirant? Our current Goverment is almost compelty made up of the people who rebbeled against this tirant. They were disgusted by the way the vampire enslaved the humans. With a grant coup, in wich the tirant was diablerized, his reign was crushed. Humans were given rights, the same as the vampires.

Do you still think of us as leeches? We guide this land now, together with the humans. They give us there blood, some even enjoy recieving the kiss(getten bitten).

Ow, and one more thing. Do you not kill to eat? We don't even kill. We take a little, all that is needed. And the humans in our country are happy to do so.

-Narack
Spokesmen of The Free Land of Lunoris.

OOC: Yup, sure did...

To: Commander Christoph, VanHelsing Society

From: Omnirom Corporation

Subject: Re-Vampire Teeth for Sale

We assure you that we will not re-sell this information nor will be give it away to any third parties, to assure you of our seriousness in this matter we will send you a signed contact detailing that we are not to resell or other release details of your compound, any such actions by our corporation and/or employee herein the corporation will be liable to court actions and would damn us to hell.

We are sending you an invoice detailing the purchase order and the money will be wired into your account within the hour* once our finance department clear the order.

Thank you

Hans Gunwitz
Omnirom Purchasing Division Director


* This actually happens, we’re not going to screw you even though we are a evil corporation…

Funds and purchase order have been recieved. Thank you for your business.

We also thank you for the contract and look forward to doing business again with you in the future. We are currently going thru our stock and will update as new items become available, we have a few that we think you might be interested in.

Last bump of the week.

"Ahem, Carthage is just a dream in the vampire minds, humans and vampires can't get along".

The vampire that we are seeking is the former ruler Prince of Aelosia, Prince Ma'El. He was deposed after the civil war, when his nature as a vampire and a liche was discovered. He returned to the country and killed our recently elected emperor, to escape again to an unknown location. He's the worst criminal in all Aelosian history, several hunters left our country to find him, but noone ever returned.

He was a 2500 years old elf before he turned into a vampire. He achieved lichedom some time after his first transformation, hiding his vital essence in a phylactery. He was trained by the best masters of war and was an awesome psychic and sorcerer in life, his powers only magnified in his death. Also he commands a little army of Drow (dark elves) mercenaries, 500 men aprox.

The bounty is priceless, the actual ShadowPrince would give anything for his capture or slaying.

Can you actually suck blood with these? If so I'd be happy to buy a few to add to my ordinary Tolnep fangs. I'm sorry I can't buy many; I spent a huge percentage of my national budget on LaserQuest facilities.

"You dare even go this far in your own prejudice and arragonace! The fact that you are hunting vampires for profit! You are hypocritical bastards, your acts of genoside will NOT go unnoticed! I swear, justice will be done here, wheter in your lifetime or your children's! And to those who purchase such things, you are labeled prejudice and ignorant of the truth! You will pay for this!"

Kain Irenicus


(OOC Please note, Kain Irenicus is NOT a nation. He was a leader of one, the nation is still here....)

And what about a group of vampires that freed an entire nation from the graps of a vampire tirant? Our current Goverment is almost compelty made up of the people who rebbeled against this tirant. They were disgusted by the way the vampire enslaved the humans. With a grant coup, in wich the tirant was diablerized, his reign was crushed. Humans were given rights, the same as the vampires.

Do you still think of us as leeches? We guide this land now, together with the humans. They give us there blood, some even enjoy recieving the kiss(getten bitten).

Ow, and one more thing. Do you not kill to eat? We don't even kill. We take a little, all that is needed. And the humans in our country are happy to do so.

-Narack
Spokesmen of The Free Land of Lunoris.

To the parasite Narak,

It sounds like a coup to me! Some lowly vampires were mistreated by their controlling elders, thought they had a better way, and they probably did! Lead a coup promising to give their cattle rights, and rise to the top of society. No doubt the civil rights are meant to placate the people, and any political rights a carefully controlled illusion.

We humans kill to eat, and I am certain that if cows and chickens and carrots were sentient, they would rightfully fight back. But they aren't, so they don't, and we follow our nature by consuming them. But our nature is layed bare, and we do not lie about it.

You are a parasite upon human civilization, one day your slaves will realize that. I finally have.


To the sellers and buyers of vampire body parts,

While I personally find the selling of body parts a bit unsettling, I fully support this endeavour. As an avid capitalist and scientist both, I support any measure which makes money off the removal of dangers to our species and societies.

I might also remind people that Wazzu Lifeworks, a company that has been gracious enough to let me look over gathered statistical data, offers a vaccine for vampirism. Quite a usefull thing to have in plagued lands.

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-Sandman

just to get this above the spam BUMP

And what about a group of vampires that freed an entire nation from the graps of a vampire tirant? Our current Goverment is almost compelty made up of the people who rebbeled against this tirant. They were disgusted by the way the vampire enslaved the humans. With a grant coup, in wich the tirant was diablerized, his reign was crushed. Humans were given rights, the same as the vampires.

Do you still think of us as leeches? We guide this land now, together with the humans. They give us there blood, some even enjoy recieving the kiss(getten bitten).

Ow, and one more thing. Do you not kill to eat? We don't even kill. We take a little, all that is needed. And the humans in our country are happy to do so.

-Narack
Spokesmen of The Free Land of Lunoris.

To the parasite Narak,

It sounds like a coup to me! Some lowly vampires were mistreated by their controlling elders, thought they had a better way, and they probably did! Lead a coup promising to give their cattle rights, and rise to the top of society. No doubt the civil rights are meant to placate the people, and any political rights a carefully controlled illusion.

We humans kill to eat, and I am certain that if cows and chickens and carrots were sentient, they would rightfully fight back. But they aren't, so they don't, and we follow our nature by consuming them. But our nature is layed bare, and we do not lie about it.

You are a parasite upon human civilization, one day your slaves will realize that. I finally have.


To the sellers and buyers of vampire body parts,

While I personally find the selling of body parts a bit unsettling, I fully support this endeavour. As an avid capitalist and scientist both, I support any measure which makes money off the removal of dangers to our species and societies.

I might also remind people that Wazzu Lifeworks, a company that has been gracious enough to let me look over gathered statistical data, offers a vaccine for vampirism. Quite a usefull thing to have in plagued lands.

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-Sandman

You clearly don't know anything about kindred society... Let me introduce you. A vampire with a lower generation and a greater age has more respect. Seeing I have both, I'm close to Caine, and have been around for quite some time now, I was amongst the top of the kindred society at that age. I can show records of me being there. I could kill and feed whenever I wanted. I did not kill, and treated my donor's with respect. I could do no more... I would have been hunted down would I have asked premission.

Investigate before you judge.

And: Does a cow not run away when it feels endangered? Does it not Mooh when it hurts? Is it not sentient? Only to a lesser state as us? Take your judgement to people who deserve it. To our kind who kills for fun, to those who hurt for there pleasure.

At kain(private): Contact me, we have somet things to discuss.

Hah! Of course a parasite would question my research...except it isn't my research. My information comes mostly from Lifeworks, the corporation the did truely extensive research to develop a vaccine, then even more after the product was released.

And a cow, sentient? Does it have language? Can it make tools or solve problems? Does it form complex relationships? This creatures understanding of science is representative of the time it claims to have been made.

I think it is time for the society to take action.

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-Sandman

"We demand an immediate stop to this practice of selling nonhuman body parts for entertainment. A line must be drawn somewhere an I say here, otherwise what is next, selling the tails of Nekos? The ears of Elves?"

And how would you feel if I adorned my belt with your human skulls hmm? Or even sold them?
I as a human, would think it would look smashing

Hah! Of course a parasite would question my research...except it isn't my research. My information comes mostly from Lifeworks, the corporation the did truely extensive research to develop a vaccine, then even more after the product was released.

And a cow, sentient? Does it have language? Can it make tools or solve problems? Does it form complex relationships? This creatures understanding of science is representative of the time it claims to have been made.

I think it is time for the society to take action.

-Sandman

Then you should check your sources. And, yes, cows have a language. It can solve problem. Doesn't a cow have feelings?

I find it always cuite laughable that people who eat meat judge vampires for there drinking of blood...

-Narack
Spokesmen of The Free Land of Lunoris

Vampire Teeth eh? WE the government of Foolish pesants would like to purchase some Vampire Teeth
(10,000 pairs)
since it would make infiltrations much easier. Since we already have the stupid "Goth-style" clothing, all we really need are the final acutriments. Also, cows are sentient? I guess i will have to treat my burgers with more respect from now on.

Reilock Coratha

Vampire Teeth eh? WE the government of Foolish pesants would like to purchase some Vampire Teeth
(10,000 pairs)
since it would make infiltrations much easier. Since we already have the stupid "Goth-style" clothing, all we really need are the final acutriments. Also, cows are sentient? I guess i will have to treat my burgers with more respect from now on.

Reilock Coratha

Hey, look at sandman. He said it was wrong for us to feed from people who allow it, because they were sentient.... Well so are cows, only less.

ooc: What follows is an exerpt from the Book of Nod, specifically The Temptation, from the Frist Part: The Chronicle of Cain

And from the darkness came a shining light,
burning with the intensity of the sun.
And voice of the Archangel Michael, General of Heaven,
called from the firey vision and said,

"Son of Adam, born of Eve, thy crime is great.
Yet, the mercy of thy Father is also great.
Repent the evil Thou hast wrought,
and let His mercy wash thee clean."

And Caine said unto Michael,
"Not by His grace, but by my own
shall I live, in pride."
And turned away.

But Michael stopped him and said,
"Then be cursed, Caine of Nod.
Forever shall thee and thy childer fear my holy flame,
for it shall bite deep and savor thy flesh."

II.

In the morning Raphael rose
on glorious wings over the horizon,
Driver of the Sun,
and Ward of the East.

He said unto Caine,
"Your brother forgives you of your sin.
Repent, accept the mercy of the Almighty,
and return to your home and family."

And Caine said unto Raphael,
"It is not Abel's forgiveness, but my own,
that I shall seek.
His mercy is nothing to me."

Raphael cursed him then, saying,
"Then shall you be cursed,
You and your childer shall hide from the Sun,
for its light will burn you like fire."

And Caine took shelter,
for the Sun began to burn his skin.

III.

That night, from the darkness of the night,
dread Uriel, Angel of Death,
embraced Caine in his black wings,
and whispered from the grave,

"Caine, the Almighty has forgiven you of your sins,
will you not accept his mercy?"
And Caine whispered back,
"The sacrifice was mine, His mercy means nothing to me."

Dread Uriel unfurled his wings
and screeched a horrible wail.
And said, "Then shall you and your childer will find no sustinence,
no food shall nourish you but blood."

"You will wander the darkness through the ages,
the light of fire will cause you pain,
the sun will burn you,
you will drink only blood
and eat only ashes,
and you shall remain as you were at death,
living on in darkness,
and all you touch will crumble into dust before your eyes."


And now, something from the bible about Cain's curse, and his seperation from God, found in Genesis 4:9-16

9) Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" He said, "I do not know; am I my brother's keeper?"
10) And the LORD said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground.
11) And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand.
12) When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength; you shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth."
13) Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14) Behold, thou hast driven me this day away from the ground; and from thy face I shall be hidden; and I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will slay me."
15) Then the LORD said to him, "Not so! If any one slays Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest any who came upon him should kill him.
16) Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

And so you say, that all vampires are evil of thier origins? That because of my predessors I am so damned? Judge for what I am now. Judge each vampire on thier own. Just because it might be my insitinct does not mean I must obey it. I defy it, I only drink blood from blood donors, which I rarely do due to my magical devices.

This is like the witch hunts from Christianity. Excuses in which to distract the populance to find a target to vent thier anger upon, to distract themselves from the real problems. Like Hitler and the Jews, you hunt us and make us appear devils when we are people.

We have morals, beliefs, emotions, fears, hopes and dreams like yourselves. Each man can sin or redeem himself. Allow us to choose, and make your judgements upon each individuals choice, instead of this constant referal to crimes long since past being accused against us! I defy my nature, I defy my predesscors crimes, I defy your sterotypes! As have many vampires done.

ooc: Does not matter. Notice that the Archangels stated that the curse extended to Caine, and his childer. Unfortunately for you, that means that Caine, and his childer, are all abominations, all cursed. *
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You may or may not think that it is fair, but that is the deal. Period. Mark designed the White Wolf system to portray cursed and evil creatures. Of course, there are those that are slightly less-evil, but are still ultimately evil.*
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But, Golconda! Even Golconda does not fully cleanse the tainted soul. Yes, it allows for some rest from the most avid of curses, but it matters little. Lameth and Annis are probably the longest-lived vampires to have achieved Golconda, and have been "in" Golconda for longer than even most of the Ancients have been alive.
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And yet, for all of his sorcery, and all of her charms, they both completely understand that they are damned creatures. Though they are both capable of incredibly beautiful things, they are still cursed, and they both know it.
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One final quote, this one taken from the Introduction of the Vampire: The Masquerade rulebook, page 21.*
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"Vampires. Bloodsucking corpses returned from the grave to feast on the blood of the living. Monsters damned to Hell who avoid their punishment through life unlawfully stolen. Erotic predators who take their sustenance from innocent, struggling -- or, perhaps, willing? -- men and women."

(OOC HOW THE HELL CAN I CONTINUE TO ARGUE IF YOU ARGUE OOCLY? Give Kain an IC answer dammit, a religous guy did this earlier. Now respond IC, and I do not think "It just is" is going to do well eh? Now is this OOC post you posted IC? I totally disagree with this statement "it just is" that just says how narrowminded you are (I mean the order and religon not you the player! :D )

(OOC HOW THE HELL CAN I CONTINUE TO ARGUE IF YOU ARGUE OOCLY? Give Kain an IC answer dammit, a religous guy did this earlier. Now respond IC, and I do not think "It just is" is going to do well eh? Now is this OOC post IC?*
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OOC: You must be joking. How can you argue OOC? Well, I think I'm doing a pretty decent job of it.
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The problem with Christianity is that it is filled with statements that have to be taken in blind faith. Lucifer is evil, his spawn are evil, it just is. God is good, all the time, it just is. You sin, someone has to pay the penalty for your sin, it just is. The wages of sin is death, it just is. No one can go to the Father save through Jesus Christ, it just is.
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You obviously know very little about WhiteWolf vampire, or have even a decent amount of knowledge concerning the bible. It is amusing to me to watch you act so lost.
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Now, this is a free form gaming forum, so I will never say that you cannot play the vampire you want to play, HOWEVER, basing it off of stuff you know little about is pretty enteraining. It sounds like you found Vampires to be really cool, decided to take away what made them vampires in the first place, and came up with something that was some sort of "best of both worlds".

Seraphic Vampire... That is such a contradictory statement...

(OOC HOW THE HELL CAN I CONTINUE TO ARGUE IF YOU ARGUE OOCLY? Give Kain an IC answer dammit, a religous guy did this earlier. Now respond IC, and I do not think "It just is" is going to do well eh? Now is this OOC post IC?*
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OOC: You must be joking. How can you argue OOC? Well, I think I'm doing a pretty decent job of it.
*
The problem with Christianity is that it is filled with statements that have to be taken in blind faith. Lucifer is evil, his spawn are evil, it just is. God is good, all the time, it just is. You sin, someone has to pay the penalty for your sin, it just is. The wages of sin is death, it just is. No one can go to the Father save through Jesus Christ, it just is.
*
You obviously know very little about WhiteWolf vampire, or have even a decent amount of knowledge concerning the bible. It is amusing to me to watch you act so lost.
*
Now, this is a free form gaming forum, so I will never say that you cannot play the vampire you want to play, HOWEVER, basing it off of stuff you know little about is pretty enteraining. It sounds like you found Vampires to be really cool, decided to take away what made them vampires in the first place, and came up with something that was some sort of "best of both worlds".

Seraphic Vampire... That is such a contradictory statement...

EDIT::: Double post

(OOC HOW THE HELL CAN I CONTINUE TO ARGUE IF YOU ARGUE OOCLY? Give Kain an IC answer dammit, a religous guy did this earlier. Now respond IC, and I do not think "It just is" is going to do well eh? Now is this OOC post IC?*
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OOC: You must be joking. How can you argue OOC? Well, I think I'm doing a pretty decent job of it.
*
The problem with Christianity is that it is filled with statements that have to be taken in blind faith. Lucifer is evil, his spawn are evil, it just is. God is good, all the time, it just is. You sin, someone has to pay the penalty for your sin, it just is. The wages of sin is death, it just is. No one can go to the Father save through Jesus Christ, it just is.
*
You obviously know very little about WhiteWolf vampire, or have even a decent amount of knowledge concerning the bible. It is amusing to me to watch you act so lost.
*
Now, this is a free form gaming forum, so I will never say that you cannot play the vampire you want to play, HOWEVER, basing it off of stuff you know little about is pretty enteraining. It sounds like you found Vampires to be really cool, decided to take away what made them vampires in the first place, and came up with something that was some sort of "best of both worlds".

Seraphic Vampire... That is such a contradictory statement...

OOC::: Ok.. why are we even responding to this. It is OOC, we are discussing it IC. Ow and:

What is your reason then Angelus? I mean.. they don’t excist in the real world…

Geez....

Ow, and one more thing. Don't insult players, unless they diserve it. I don't know if you read his background story, or saw the way he played? But it is a damn good one. So keep that stuff to yourself.

One more thing. Not everyone uses the WW system, I do, but he doesn't. His choice, not yours.

Hah! Of course a parasite would question my research...except it isn't my research. My information comes mostly from Lifeworks, the corporation the did truely extensive research to develop a vaccine, then even more after the product was released.

And a cow, sentient? Does it have language? Can it make tools or solve problems? Does it form complex relationships? This creatures understanding of science is representative of the time it claims to have been made.

I think it is time for the society to take action.

-Sandman

Then you should check your sources. And, yes, cows have a language. It can solve problem. Doesn't a cow have feelings?

I find it always cuite laughable that people who eat meat judge vampires for there drinking of blood...

-Narack
Spokesmen of The Free Land of Lunoris

A vegitarian vampire? Animals have feelings too? Certainly not a scientific parasite. When you realize why most human societies shun canibalism, you'll realize why they oppose vampirism.

Or rather, you do realize, don't you? It is only that you don't wish us to realize such. Poor leech, slower to adapt to change then even the Catholic church. The universe has left you in the past, and now even the scientific world has joined the religious against your freeloading existance. Your time is limited.

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-Sandman

Hah! Of course a parasite would question my research...except it isn't my research. My information comes mostly from Lifeworks, the corporation the did truely extensive research to develop a vaccine, then even more after the product was released.

And a cow, sentient? Does it have language? Can it make tools or solve problems? Does it form complex relationships? This creatures understanding of science is representative of the time it claims to have been made.

I think it is time for the society to take action.

-Sandman



Then you should check your sources. And, yes, cows have a language. It can solve problem. Doesn't a cow have feelings?

I find it always cuite laughable that people who eat meat judge vampires for there drinking of blood...

-Narack
Spokesmen of The Free Land of Lunoris

A vegitarian vampire? Animals have feelings too? Certainly not a scientific parasite. When you realize why most human societies shun canibalism, you'll realize why they oppose vampirism.

Or rather, you do realize, don't you? It is only that you don't wish us to realize such. Poor leech, slower to adapt to change then even the Catholic church. The universe has left you in the past, and now even the scientific world has joined the religious against your freeloading existance. Your time is limited.

-Sandman

I'm not a vegitatarian. I can not eat. And yes, I believe that my cat has feelings too. And no. I'm no scientist.

And was your last (ow dang forgot the word) mentioning a treath? Do not threathen us.

Do you know why I think you are so afraid from us? The fact that we are immortal. We could live forever. And some humans just can't deal with the fact that they will not. I think you are one of those. Your mind is to narrow to see us for anything but monsters.

OOC:: Bed time, talk to you guys later =)

I'm an old man, I came to accept my mortality a long time ago. I actually see it as a boon to my race as much as a bust. With seemingly unlimited time, you have no reason to want to create, no urge to do something grand...much like the elves. But I have accomplished more in my life then you ever will in yours...or in your death if you prefer.

I have my progeny, I am no longer afraid to die. Perhaps thats something a creature such as yourself can not understand, forever trapped in the struggle for power. I pitty you for that.

http://members.cox.net/davage/images/SandmanThumb.jpg
-Sandman

"Ahem, Carthage is just a dream in the vampire minds, humans and vampires can't get along".

The vampire that we are seeking is the former ruler Prince of Aelosia, Prince Ma'El. He was deposed after the civil war, when his nature as a vampire and a liche was discovered. He returned to the country and killed our recently elected emperor, to escape again to an unknown location. He's the worst criminal in all Aelosian history, several hunters left our country to find him, but noone ever returned.

He was a 2500 years old elf before he turned into a vampire. He achieved lichedom some time after his first transformation, hiding his vital essence in a phylactery. He was trained by the best masters of war and was an awesome psychic and sorcerer in life, his powers only magnified in his death. Also he commands a little army of Drow (dark elves) mercenaries, 500 men aprox.

The bounty is priceless, the actual ShadowPrince would give anything for his capture or slaying.

We will look into this.

VanHelsing Society and Hunting club

Can you actually suck blood with these? If so I'd be happy to buy a few to add to my ordinary Tolnep fangs. I'm sorry I can't buy many; I spent a huge percentage of my national budget on LaserQuest facilities.

They will break the skin, but they have no magical sucking abilities.

"You dare even go this far in your own prejudice and arragonace! The fact that you are hunting vampires for profit! You are hypocritical bastards, your acts of genoside will NOT go unnoticed! I swear, justice will be done here, wheter in your lifetime or your children's! And to those who purchase such things, you are labeled prejudice and ignorant of the truth! You will pay for this!"

Kain Irenicus


(OOC Please note, Kain Irenicus is NOT a nation. He was a leader of one, the nation is still here....)

***** Private communication from the VanHelsing society and hunt club**

"Anytime, anyplace leech. We have brought down bigger parasites than you. You seem to be all bluster and no action, freek and we grow tired of your petty threats and tantrums. Come back in a few hundred years when the hunt might be interesting."

****************Public response************************

This is exactly the kind of thing we would expect from your kind. We are not afraid of you.

"We demand an immediate stop to this practice of selling nonhuman body parts for entertainment. A line must be drawn somewhere an I say here, otherwise what is next, selling the tails of Nekos? The ears of Elves?"

"Well we would never sell elf ears, several of our hunters are elves. I hve no idea what a Neko is, but if you are refering to cat-people, one of our greatest hunter-saints is a catperson. We only sell the left over bits of vampires that were killed quite some time ago."

*sigh* I shall explain and defend myself as I have done so many times.

Firstly I do not kill to drink blood. Do not judge vampires on the worst examples. I am sure if I judged your race by your worst criminals and villians and say that your all of your race was evil because I have seen these people, you would complain. I would call you rapist, murder traitor and insane which obviously are false.

I drink blood from blood donors, I do not kill humans. I do not force others to be turned. Such a thing is a crime, and I encourage you to kill those who do so.

My "unholy" life? In comparison to what? Who is to say that your life is any holier? How can you judge holiness anyway? Is it the almighty judgement of your religon? A fanatic could walk upon to one of God' angels and say that it was unholy, it doesn't make it any more more good or evil. And even if your idea of hoiness was correct, you judge me upon the worst examples of vampires. And you don't even know me obviously. You barely know me, let alone your generalist judgements upon vampires. How can I not call you prejudice? It says here in the dictonary-

Prejudice - (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics.

Yes I sell the same essance in my cigars. Blood. But how can you say that such a thing is evil? Do you not kill animals and use thier flesh for food? At least with my own feeding, my food source remains alive through thier donations. Hypocrite.

And as I have said before, I do not turn people against thier will. And I am sure you are going to say that turning people is evil too, that I should not "taint" thier minds. Well, the same applies to any thought, just depends on your opinion.

I am not defending those who do turn and attack humans. I hate them, for they are those which have made you think such thoughts. I myself have killed vampires who have commited such foul acts. But, you should judge us not upon the rumors and half-truths of vampires, but on the individual's case, as I do with your species! I have seen the human side of vampires, and now I see the beast side of man. I only hope that you can see your hypociricies and ignorance, for you and your people's sakes.

Kain Irenicus

Interesting post

Vampire Teeth eh? WE the government of Foolish pesants would like to purchase some Vampire Teeth
(10,000 pairs)
since it would make infiltrations much easier. Since we already have the stupid "Goth-style" clothing, all we really need are the final acutriments. Also, cows are sentient? I guess i will have to treat my burgers with more respect from now on.

Reilock Coratha

Sold. Please wire funds.

"We demand an immediate stop to this practice of selling nonhuman body parts for entertainment. A line must be drawn somewhere an I say here, otherwise what is next, selling the tails of Nekos? The ears of Elves?"

You vampires are not a race. You're just a virus, that's all. We elves and the Nekos are native races. You're the conglomerate of the contaminated beings with a plague. As a matter of fact, you're a plague.

Vorpalis. Top Head Hunter of Aelosia.

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We will also publish vampire hangouts clubs and hunting grounds as they become available.

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We'd like to order 1 year subscriptions for every member of our armed forces, cause you can never be too careful ;). What kind of a bulk discount can you offer, if any?

Celeborne, we would like a subscription, one year for now, the Archbishop is just planning on starting some teams.

For an order that size we can bump the price down to 18.00 USD per magazine. Thank you for your support.



Hunter magazine is a subsudiary of Niven productions a privatly owned and operated company

Celeborne, we would like a subscription, one year for now, the Archbishop is just planning on starting some teams.

Subscription accepted, we are also sending you a complimentery copy of How to kill that which is dead. Thank you for your interest.

OOC: This thread is not sponsered by the Celeborne government.

Is this magazine available through stores or only through this one time special offer?

-Anonymous

We would be willing to sell this thru stores, if any are interested.

For an order that size we can bump the price down to 18.00 USD per magazine. Thank you for your support.



Hunter magazine is a subsudiary of Niven productions a privatly owned and operated company

OOC: *Reads fine print* And it's for a good cause even ;)

IC: All right, put us down for an order of 25 million subscriptions, $450,000,000 will be wired in advance.

Thank you for your business.

"You dare even go this far in your own prejudice and arragonace! The fact that you are hunting vampires for profit! You are hypocritical bastards, your acts of genoside will NOT go unnoticed! I swear, justice will be done here, wheter in your lifetime or your children's! And to those who purchase such things, you are labeled prejudice and ignorant of the truth! You will pay for this!"

Kain Irenicus


(OOC Please note, Kain Irenicus is NOT a nation. He was a leader of one, the nation is still here....)

***** Private communication from the VanHelsing society and hunt club**

"Anytime, anyplace leech. We have brought down bigger parasites than you. You seem to be all bluster and no action, freek and we grow tired of your petty threats and tantrums. Come back in a few hundred years when the hunt might be interesting."


Private Message back

"Odd, seems like I have survived other attacks. And when I do so something good for you damned hypocrites you throw it back in my face. Do what you will, if you attack me you will die plainly and effortlessly. And you do not seem to comprehend that I am not alone. I have allies in many places.

"We demand an immediate stop to this practice of selling nonhuman body parts for entertainment. A line must be drawn somewhere an I say here, otherwise what is next, selling the tails of Nekos? The ears of Elves?"

You vampires are not a race. You're just a virus, that's all. We elves and the Nekos are native races. You're the conglomerate of the contaminated beings with a plague. As a matter of fact, you're a plague.

Vorpalis. Top Head Hunter of Aelosia.

Indeed we are not race. We are human beings with a curse and blessing. Funny how some of vampire hunters forget this.

Private Message back

"Odd, seems like I have survived other attacks. And when I do so something good for you damned hypocrites you throw it back in my face. Do what you will, if you attack me you will die plainly and effortlessly. And you do not seem to comprehend that I am not alone. I have allies in many places.

Private message yet again

"And we have survived the attacks of bigger demons than you. The people who have attacked you in the past were not us. I encourage you to continue to belive that you can kill us without effort, that works to our advantage. We hope you are not alone, more tropheys for my wall. And do not forget that you threatened us first. Stop threatening and get to work, youngster."

(OOC HOW THE HELL CAN I CONTINUE TO ARGUE IF YOU ARGUE OOCLY? Give Kain an IC answer dammit, a religous guy did this earlier. Now respond IC, and I do not think "It just is" is going to do well eh? Now is this OOC post IC?*
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OOC: You must be joking. How can you argue OOC? Well, I think I'm doing a pretty decent job of it.
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The problem with Christianity is that it is filled with statements that have to be taken in blind faith. Lucifer is evil, his spawn are evil, it just is. God is good, all the time, it just is. You sin, someone has to pay the penalty for your sin, it just is. The wages of sin is death, it just is. No one can go to the Father save through Jesus Christ, it just is.
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You obviously know very little about WhiteWolf vampire, or have even a decent amount of knowledge concerning the bible. It is amusing to me to watch you act so lost.
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Now, this is a free form gaming forum, so I will never say that you cannot play the vampire you want to play, HOWEVER, basing it off of stuff you know little about is pretty enteraining. It sounds like you found Vampires to be really cool, decided to take away what made them vampires in the first place, and came up with something that was some sort of "best of both worlds".

Seraphic Vampire... That is such a contradictory statement...

OK, I really did not want to do this, but let me explain in simple terms.

OOC: You must be joking. How can you argue OOC? Well, I think I'm doing a pretty decent job of it.


Well considering that this entire arguement is IC, you cannot let my character trail off and you talking to me in OOC. You still not have responded to Kain IC. Answer KAIN not ME. This is not an OCC arguement, otherwise some of my own views and things I have said would be different.

The problem with Christianity is that it is filled with statements that have to be taken in blind faith. Lucifer is evil, his spawn are evil, it just is. God is good, all the time, it just is. You sin, someone has to pay the penalty for your sin, it just is. The wages of sin is death, it just is. No one can go to the Father save through Jesus Christ, it just is.


I know that, Kain certainly knows that. But when MY character puts that exact IC point, you cannot answer IC so you agree to me OOCly? Does not help one bit, just makes your character inable to face Kain's acusations.

You obviously know very little about WhiteWolf vampire, or have even a decent amount of knowledge concerning the bible. It is amusing to me to watch you act so lost.

And at what point did I have to conform to your ideas of vampires? I have chosen what I want my vampire to be like. And yes I DO have a decent knowledge of the bible the point is MY CHARACTER DOES NOT. The words "ROLEPLAY" spring to mind? That my character was not brought up in a christian enviorment. Oh it is amusing to you to see me roleplay effectively huh? Well I am having a good chuckle at this stupidity.

Now, this is a free form gaming forum, so I will never say that you cannot play the vampire you want to play, HOWEVER, basing it off of stuff you know little about is pretty enteraining.

Wait...wait a minute. I do know this stuff pretty well. I am basing it from many different sources. Soulreaver, numerous tales of vampires, films, etc. Yes it is a free forum and have you ave contridicted yourself. You say I can choose whatever I want and that I am basing it on stuff that I do not know? You obviouslty are not familer with Soulreavers interpretation. And also I have used other peoples examples.

It sounds like you found Vampires to be really cool, decided to take away what made them vampires in the first place, and came up with something that was some sort of "best of both worlds".

Yes that might be true aprt from the fact I DID NOT MAKE THIS CHARACTER A VAMPIRE. He started off human and ws sired by another player. Rave Shentavo. And have you wondered why Kain is immune to sunlight? Immune to religous symbols and the like? Apart from the fact that other players have done the same, and that it is the way I CHOSE to do it, because earlier on you said anyone can choose to do it in a way they want. But I do have a very good reason for it. Ever think how Kain ended up like he is? All green and with cloven talons? Well there are some pretty damn good reasons, which I will not say because that is still to be revealed, but rest assured that the fact that a half angel half vampire sired him, and he had the effect of a demon around him DID do some pretty strange things to him.

Seraphic Vampire... That is such a contradictory statement...

Oh sorry what? Are you trying to attempt to put down someones ideas? Someones interpretation and idea? I believe that you said earlier this is a free forum. And yes it seems wierd but rave is a damn Seraphic Vampire, shewas turned later on in her existance. Or is that too impossible to comprehend that someone id not look in a god damnbook and say, "hey I want to make a character like that!." No, as far as I know the idea is pretty god damn original. And you have the gall to say it is hypocritical when it allows so many good rp situation and it is FANTASY? Oh no, you want to make the idea of vampires all sterotypical and all the same and you will be damned if someone does something original and unusual, with some pretty damn good reasons for doing it. Ask rave Shentavo, I am sure she would love to hear how hypocritical you think her idea is. At least you can rest in the knowledge that your characters are not hypodcritical. Oh wait.....

Now I am willing to put these stupid arguements aside, if you actually looked at the god damn facts and my rp style. Kain is pretty damn vunerable, I have not taken "the best from both worlds". Oh sorry, did that involve mental torture? Did that involve not being able to return to his family and a nation he loved so much? That he faces so many damn curses, like his vision which he can only see death. I sure have made my character's life a breeeze when he is almost totally alone, totally ashamed due to his crimes against the people who saved him, and is being hunted ruthlessly and when he finally puts up an arguement which you ave to respond to OOCly to get out of, what am I supposed to do then hmmm?

How can you argue OOC and IC? Well, I think I'm doing a pretty decent job of it. Now you have to learn how to argue IC and OCCly, by actually responding to my IC statement huh? Now I am being nice, I could have gone on for far longer, so learn your god damn lesson and respond to my IC post.

OOC: Angelus , Kain, ENOUGH !! Keep it IC or take it to the General forum. Please, I have enjoyed reading you comments but you have taken over my thread. Please either keep it short, keep it IC or take it elsewhere. And Kain watch you language.

The Vortex Corporation considers all vampiric beings evil, regardless of their past, their actions or the method through which they have fallen to their vampiric status. We consider the drinking of blood, be that blood supplied by a volunteer or blood taken with force, unholy. This might seem intolerant and conservative, but remember that nearly every vampire survives by taking blood with force, from human beings. Therefore, we are convinced the vampire clans are evil in nature. Thus, we applaud these initiatives from Celeborne and will keep our markets open to every product they are able to offer, including these new ones.

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VTX

Private Message back

"Odd, seems like I have survived other attacks. And when I do so something good for you damned hypocrites you throw it back in my face. Do what you will, if you attack me you will die plainly and effortlessly. And you do not seem to comprehend that I am not alone. I have allies in many places.

Private message yet again

"And we have survived the attacks of bigger demons than you. The people who have attacked you in the past were not us. I encourage you to continue to belive that you can kill us without effort, that works to our advantage. We hope you are not alone, more tropheys for my wall. And do not forget that you threatened us first. Stop threatening and get to work, youngster."

"Demon? Do you even know what I have done in my lifetime? Who I have fought? Who I have battled? Who I have killed? Oh no, you cannot see me for my actions and see me of what I should be in your precious ideals. It doesn't matter that I saved my nations on numerous occasions with disregard to my own life. It does not matter that I have saved numerous others from demon attacks. It doesn't matter that I prevented a major demonic attack upon a city. It doesn't matter that I have killed vampires who have sired others without thier consent. I am an evil vampire because I am a vampire and you will be damned by your God because this person who is trying to do some good in the world exists because it is "evil". Well there is a word for such an action. You know what it is? PREJUDICE. And I expect some bible refereance to how "evil" I am, even though you ignore what I actually do. How about judging me on my actions instead of what I am?

And I was not human before this transformation, and personally if I judged humans on the entire idea of the populance and some of your race's crimes I would not have lifted a finger to help you in your numerous crisises, which you fail to acknowledge I have done time and time again. But no, I judge upon each individuals own actions and act accordingly. It is about you do the same. And you expect me not to be angry or do nothing when you plan to have a mass genesised upon those like myself who have done nothing wroong apart from being a vampire? Go to hell, which I am sure you will be if you continue with this hypocricy.

Kain Irenicus

OOC: Angelus , Kain, ENOUGH !! Keep it IC or take it to the General forum. Please, I have enjoyed reading you comments but you have taken over my thread. Please either keep it short, keep it IC or take it elsewhere. And Kain watch you language.

Sure, but I had to defend myself didn't I? Now I wish he would defend himself IC.

OOC: Angelus , Kain, ENOUGH !! Keep it IC or take it to the General forum. Please, I have enjoyed reading you comments but you have taken over my thread. Please either keep it short, keep it IC or take it elsewhere. And Kain watch you language.

Sure, but I had to defend myself didn't I? Now I wish he would defend himself IC.

OOC: No problem, I understand. Just tone it down a bit, please.

Private

"You seem to misunderstand a few things, so let me set you straight. First we are not a religios orginization, most of us are atheists. We hunt vampires because they feed on humans, if cows could hunt us I am sure they would. Our concern is not heaven it is survivale. Scream prejudice all you want , but you proved all of our prejudices correct when you threatened us and our decendants. I understand that you have saved all of these people, but will the farmer not chase off wolves to protect his sheep ? "

Private

"You seem to misunderstand a few things, so let me set you straight. First we are not a religios orginization, most of us are atheists. We hunt vampires because they feed on humans, if cows could hunt us I am sure they would. Our concern is not heaven it is survivale. Scream prejudice all you want , but you proved all of our prejudices correct when you threatened us and our decendants. I understand that you have saved all of these people, but will the farmer not chase off wolves to protect his sheep ? "

"My apologies, I have grown extremely tense as of late due to those who have been targeting myslef due to what I am. True the farmer should chase off the wolves, but should the farmer make all the wolves extinct? And if the wolves had freewill and morals just say, would not some of them cease to attack and find other food sources? (taken in the form of blood donors etc) Should I be targeted for what others do? If one of those wolves are attacked even though he should choose not to feed upon the sheep, should he not bite back?Again my apologies but it certainly seemed like you are actively hunting vampires because they are vampires. I would urge you to say that these vampires have commited crimes, like turning someone who had not been willing, as prejudice of the people might increase due to these messages. I still disagree to the selling of these things, but if it deters vampires from doing these things so be it."

Kain Irenicus

Learn what the Larkinian special forces know, subscribe to the magazine today and get a free vampire knuckle bone necklace !!

A lot of whining.*
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You silly child. You just don't get it, do you? You act all surprised that hunters are hunting us, as if this is anything new.*
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Ever since Caine was cursed so long ago, the Kine have hunted us. Why do you think such silly concepts like the Masquerade were ever brought around? Because during the late Renessaince, we were almost completely whiped out, that's why.*
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Personally, I think you are lying to yourself with all of this "I am reformed" bullshit, you're still going to burn for all eternity regardless. So what if you are a "good little Kindred", your curse isn't going anywhere, and you are just as damned as I am. *
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So, the point I'm trying to make is this: I don't care if you've turned your life around and are existing on donated blood or blood from rats and chickens, and very few of the Kine care either. They'll hunt you simply because you are Kindred, if for no other reason.*
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And you are being as stupid and foolish as they for thinking otherwise.
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James Starke
Seraph of the Black Hand

OOC: For those who use the model that vamprirism started with Cain, haven't they noticed the part where Cain said his punishment was too severe because any who sees him would kill him, and God responded by promising that any who slays Cain would be punished sevenfold?

Learn what the Larkinian special forces know, subscribe to the magazine today and get a free vampire knuckle bone necklace !!*

I am interested in purchasing a necklace from you, made from thirteen teeth, and fourteen knucklejoints, on a silver wire.
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How much would such an adornment cost me?*
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James Starke*
Seraph of the Black Hand
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PS: What the hell is wrong with that Irenicus moron? I'm interested in purchasing any and all information on him, if it is for sale... I'd pay well for it.*

Learn what the Larkinian special forces know, subscribe to the magazine today and get a free vampire knuckle bone necklace !!*

I am interested in purchasing a necklace from you, made from thirteen teeth, and fourteen knucklejoints, on a silver wire.
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How much would such an adornment cost me?*
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James Starke*
Seraph of the Black Hand
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PS: What the hell is wrong with that Irenicus moron? I'm interested in purchasing any and all information on him, if it is for sale... I'd pay well for it.*

"Irenicus moron" eh?, as a matter of fact he's the only vampire who has earned the respect of the Empire of Aelosia, I suggest you take your words, wrap them well, and swallow them hard again.

The Black Hand strikes again eh?. Damn Souldrinkers, we will hunt them and teach them what lies in the other side of eternity.

Vorpalis, Chief of the Eldalië Assassins and Vampire Stalker.

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First off, the letter was sent to the Van Helsing society, not sent across the open airways.*
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Secondly, this whole "black hand strikes again" bullshit is what, exactly? I'm not seeing any "striking", just a simplistic transaction between an individual and a company that is selling something he wants.
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Please don't be an idiot, it only makes your RP look bad.*

OOC: Ahem. Pardon me?.

First, if you want to send a "secret" message, please write "SECRET MESSAGE SENT TO...", or "Encrypted message to...". If you don't, usually people tend to take your message as "public".

Second, that was an IC declaration, and my character thinks that the reapparition of the Black Hand is per se a "strike", because she has some experience with them before, but whatever...

Third, OOC and IC declarations are very differents things, so stop FLAMING, insulting ME, the PLAYER, calling me IDIOT. If you want to say anything about "Vorpalis", my character, you're allowed to do so, but please don't INSULT me directly, ok?. I consider myself a good RPer, specially because I know the meaning of the word "respect".

As a matter of fact, I demand an apology...

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No, I'm not going to apologize. I'm working under the assumption that Aelosia is NOT reading every single letter going into Celeborne, and if they were, I'm sure that there'd be a major international problem with that, especially considering that the letter is postmarked from the Dominion of the Dread Lady Nathicana.*
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So, excuse me for not putting "TOP SECRET MESSAGE" in my post, because I think that the possibility of your character being able to even recieve mail forwarded to Celeborne, much less being able to find this particular one in the millions sent every day.*
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Do you even realize how close to impossible it would be for your character to have intercepted this letter? I'm calling you an idiot because you didn't think about that. You didn't think about how openly admitting that you read another nation's mail would cause an international uproar. You didn't think that perhaps your entire premise could be completely false, and that you only read this letter because you want to be nosey and put your two cents into something where they can't go without you godmoding.*
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Yes, godmoding. Of course, this isn't in the huge spacecraft or unkillable character sense, but in the "look, I know everything" sense.*
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So, maybe I'm being flamatory, and for being flamatory, I apologize to the moderators, but not to you.*You are a decent roleplayer, and being an idiot in this sense casts a bad light on your play.

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Personally, I think you are lying to yourself with all of this "I am reformed" bullshit, you're still going to burn for all eternity regardless. So what if you are a "good little Kindred", your curse isn't going anywhere, and you are just as damned as I am. *
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So, the point I'm trying to make is this: I don't care if you've turned your life around and are existing on donated blood or blood from rats and chickens, and very few of the Kine care either. They'll hunt you simply because you are Kindred, if for no other reason.*
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James Starke
Seraph of the Black Hand

Do not patronise me, whoever you might be. I knew who I am, the things I have seen and done. I have not reformed, there was nothing to reform from. I simply made a choice to continue as I was, although I can never return to what I was, nor would I want to I feel, from what I have gained.

And you say this is a fact that we must deal with for the rest of eternity? How fatalisitic, it is this sense of acceptance which will lead these actions to proceed, thousands of innocent people who have vampirism slaughter purely for what they are.

I care not for my ancenstors actions, that is within the past and thier actions have effected me. But my own vampiric heritage I choose to defy. I defy your fatalisitic view of my condemation, I forge my own destiny, I shall not be maipulated by a vampire to which caused these events to occour long since past, I shall not let those who wish to slay vampires continue killing many innocents, I shall not allow the acceptance of older generations to sway my path. I am young yes, but with youth I have found comes change.

And this change I hope shall come swiftly and efficantly, so that people can understand and spare those vampires who choose to be a positive part to socioty, to the world. Alas, this change will take much time I feel, due to the lack of willingness to change, the lack of effort from people such as yourself who accept this fate of being hunted.

I defy these ways, as have many others. I strive for peace, and for vampires who truely have chosen not to become slaves to thier predetermined destiny through the thirst. I choose to stand up, so should you and every vampire who wishs for these ideals which can become reality. Never did I think that other vampires would be so resigned to this prejudice we face, this apathy will only seal this fate forever.

Kain Irenicus.

Look I am going to brak down this arguement of yours, I do see a problem with your logic. As you might have found out, I can argue extremely well.

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No, I'm not going to apologize. I'm working under the assumption that Aelosia is NOT reading every single letter going into Celeborne, and if they were, I'm sure that there'd be a major international problem with that, especially considering that the letter is postmarked from the Dominion of the Dread Lady Nathicana.*
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Where upon this letter did it say "ADDRESSED TO CELEBORNE" or the like? You simply quoted it, if I quoted you, that does not mean that it is a private message now does it? Please make sure if you want a secret message to remain secret, put "private letter to """" " OK? Makes everyones life a great deal easier.

Fair enough to the point about international security, if you put secret message and he read it, that would be Godmod. But it was made a public message, so simply say now it was private and that is that.

Do not call people idiots. I am not calling you an idiot for not making sure you made it a private message. Simply do so in future. If someone else looked towards my quoted arguement in my last post, they would immediately thing "this is public" because I have said nothing about it being private. Just the way things are. Simply put Private Message in future ok?

ooc: Given the context, and given the situation, no, everyone would not assume it to be a public missive.

The idea I'd gotten from all of these was letters sent back and forth, and yes, I highly doubt that Aelosia would be scarfing up every letter that passed through to Celeborne and being able to pick that one out of the many.

Offers have been made, transactions are taking place, and as such, unless directly 'spoken' to, I would say not a damn one of you would know the contents of any other missives set forth here.

While I agree that such things as 'privacy notices' and the like in posts can help clarify, and in some cases, such as digital-audio transfers and the like, are imperative. This, however, is another case, and if you would all just settle down and think for a moment, you might be able to see it too.

Let it pass, learn from mistakes, and move on, shall we?

Not this time. Sorry, James Starker has been added to my personal list of undesirable people. That's all, I don't insult people in this forum, I have a lot of people to insult IRL to do that. Oh, and this is OOC, I suppose. I have already explained by points, and I think that I still have the reason here.

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"Don't patronize you"? I have every right to patronize you, you insignificant little speck. The actions so casually undertaken by you and your bitch mother have damned so many of us, and you do not care. Your constant whining about how "good" you have become, and you are still a selfish little brat.*
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How many inquisitors now know of our existance because of your constant in-your-face attitude? How many lives have you endangered to bring your "message"? How long do you think it'll be before they come for you? Or come for me? Your talk of redemtion and self-sacrifice is worthless, and when you are burning on a Hunter's Pyre, you will realize the mistakes you have made.
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There is no repentance for your sin. There is no way around the Curse. You can defy your ancestors as much as you want, but it will not change the irrevocable fact that you are beyond redemntion. You are damned, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.*
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Go ahead, strain and fight against your destiny, it will come to nothing. Your idealism and "purity" will not change anything, just as stridant belief will not change the fact that the earth spins, the sun burns, and gravity holds. These are simple facts of life, and no matter how much you disbelieve it, nothing will change them.
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Call me fatalistic, if you desire, but never call me apathetic. I'm pessimistic, but I'm also realistic when it comes to unalterable facts. Fooling yourself, and those who follow you, does nothing other than make the Iquisitors jobs easier.*
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James Starke
Seraph of the Black Hand

Not this time. Sorry, James Starker has been added to my personal list of undesirable people. That's all, I don't insult people in this forum, I have a lot of people to insult IRL to do that. Oh, and this is OOC, I suppose. I have already explained by points, and I think that I still have the reason here.*
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Oh no, I'm so hurt... I don't know what I'm going to do.
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Don't be so pretentious. I'm only insulting to you because you did something stupid. If you hadn't done so, none of this would have mattered.*

Not this time. Sorry, James Starker has been added to my personal list of undesirable people. That's all, I don't insult people in this forum, I have a lot of people to insult IRL to do that. Oh, and this is OOC, I suppose. I have already explained by points, and I think that I still have the reason here.

ooc: Think what you will, you are mistaken in your assumptions. Thus far in all this I've seen nothing yet you've done to earn my respect, especially this petty, arrogant attitude. Pity. Don't even begin to get me started on the hypocrisy of a purported Vampire Slayer chumming up with one while going after others. Disgraceful.

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"YOU DARE INSULT RAVELYN SHENTAVO! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHOM YOU INSULT?

I would take your ill placed words without a care for you know me not, but when you lsander one which has done far more good within this world than I could possibly achieve you go to far with your stupidity. Think what you will of me, it makes no difference. As to my now disowning vampiric mother, you could not have made a worse judgement.

How many inquisitors you say would know of our existance? None. They know we are here. And I refuse to slink into the shadows and flee like some criminal. I admit, I may have endangered some vampires, but not directly. Should I be put under blame as I have risen against them? Thier judgement against those vampires would have been the same, regardless of my actions. I simply stood against them, not when I stand against thier judgement, but when others call out for assistance. For if I call out for help myself in my hour of need against this injustice, there will be no-one as they would be too frightened to stand up to what is right. I respect this, there is much risk and I do not see anyone who do not stand up against this cowards. But I do see you as a coward, he who would try and stop my actions? Am I not trying to help you and every other being with this affliction?

My sin? What sin would that be dare I ask? Even if I had this unremovable burdan upon my head which may damn me forever, answer me this. Does that give me an excuse not to do good? Just because I might be damned, should that make it alright for me to commit dark sins? If I where so damned, it will not stop me from helping others. I care for others, and I would like to see them safe and protected against injustice and prejudice.

Destiny is effected by choice. This much I have learned. When I chose to be turned, that changed my destiny forever. My actions will change others destiny, this is a fact of life that what I may do will effect others.. My beliefs will do nothing on thier own, my actions will. And this arguement is one action against this apathy.

Unaltering facts? By the Gods man, you surely are so sure of this fate that you do nothing to try and alter it! If this same view was put to every injustice, we would never have achieved many great freedoms! Prejudice against black people...if Martin Luther King simply said "It is a fact of life that black people will always be treated as inferior" who knows what state of affairs some nations would be in now. You are foolish to believe that this is an unalterable fact.

And may I suggest one thing. Never...never insult Rave Shentavo to me or anyone else. If you where to insult her, insult her yourself. I am sure you will feel her fiery blade upon your young throat, for she has existed for far longer than you have, and let me simply put it this way.

Her blood is extremely unique.


Kain Irenicus

Not this time. Sorry, James Starker has been added to my personal list of undesirable people. That's all, I don't insult people in this forum, I have a lot of people to insult IRL to do that. Oh, and this is OOC, I suppose. I have already explained by points, and I think that I still have the reason here.

ooc: Think what you will, you are mistaken in your assumptions. Thus far in all this I've seen nothing yet you've done to earn my respect, especially this petty, arrogant attitude. Pity. Don't even begin to get me started on the hypocrisy of a purported Vampire Slayer chumming up with one while going after others. Disgraceful.

OOC: I don't care about you. I have nothing to say to you, as a matter of fact, you're putting your nose in a place where it don't belong. You can keep your respect for yourself, to me it's worthless, I didn't say anything to earn your respect, and I won't.

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James Starke*
Seraph of the Black Hand
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PS: What the hell is wrong with that Irenicus moron? I'm interested in purchasing any and all information on him, if it is for sale... I'd pay well for it.*

$1000 and the necklace is yours.

ooc: Think what you will, you are mistaken in your assumptions. Thus far in all this I've seen nothing yet you've done to earn my respect, especially this petty, arrogant attitude. Pity. Don't even begin to get me started on the hypocrisy of a purported Vampire Slayer chumming up with one while going after others. Disgraceful.

OOC: Ok I gotta say something here. Arrogant attitude? Hypocrisy?

Firstly, I have no idea where you get the idea of arrogance from, unless it was from a character, who you should not be insulting the player. Now hypocricy...

Do you even understand why Aelosia as a nation acts towards Kain the way they do? It was a lot of character interaction, they see Kain as different due to his actions in the past with them. They actually understand what Kain has actually done. This is not hypocritical, not in the least. This is simply characters changing with different views.

Or if your character thought another character as hypocritical fair enough but never say that a player is hypocritcal for thier characters actions unless you know what you are talking about. You are making the mistake I think that we as players are acting as we would act in our characters. We do not. I certainly would not act in many ways Kain would have acted but I admit, there is a lot of me in him I think, just to an extreme degree, but you cannot complain at me as a player for my characters problems/hypocricies. That is called roleplaying, some people in real life are hypocritical.

Some players know that thier characters are hypocritical, and many are. But they are acting in thier own way, and they have reasons. I.E Many inquisitors with thier bible etc. Do I bitch at the player as I find hypocricies in thier characters? Hell no! They are simly roleplaying well if thier characters can find excuses for them. And if my character has a problem with this hypocricies, he complains, like he has done here. I understand that a player is different from their characters.

And I assure you there is a hell of a lot to admire about Aelosia. You have no idea what you are talking about so just back off.

I can argue well, just like my characters. Think about what you are saying before you post. I am sure I sapek for everyone here that you obviously need to calm down and actually think about what you are saying.

Actually… I’d say that most nations are arrogant… especially me and the vampire-based nations, who are naturally arrogant. Though I don’t want to bring up any examples right now, because I know people will find more of examples of me being arrogant. I’ll admit it; I’m an ass at times.

IC is a different thing however; most of my characters don’t react well to it, read the Investigation into Kidnapping of Rave… man, I don’t care if it is partly my fault, my leader isn’t going to take having his military insulted after they got attacked by the most technologically advanced assault team they have ever encountered… if they wished it they could have killed all my guards, my leader and national representatives, even if I doubled the amount of troops.

As for these guys? Meh… who cares if you ignore one another, less arguments in Celeborne’s threads, that’s for sure. One of you don’t respond to OOC knowledge and the other one don’t insult people so much…

(OOC Thanks for that input on this.)

I neither care about how you live your unlife, nor do I care about these supposed qualities of your bitch of a mother.

Rave is not unique. She is nothing more than a slightly powerful Kindred drunk on her own self-image, and competant enough to create an entire charade that has convinced several idiots that she's some sort of goddess figure.

All in all, you and your mother are full of shit, but I couldn't care less about how you live your lives. What I care about is the damn inquisitors that are now popping up everywhere. I care about your continual breach of the Masquerade that is going to to come back and slap you in the ass. I care about how many of my contacts I'm going to have to expend in hunting your wretched ass down.

There are unavoidable facts of life that no one can escape, no matter how powerful they are. You are not beyond the grasp of Caine, you pretentious bastard, and you are most certaintly not beyond mine. Live your goody-goody life, I don't care. However, you delude yourself by thinking that you'll not end up exactly the same as every other Kindred out here.

You are damned, never forget that. In all of your good deeds, and all of your wonderful plans, remember that the road to hell is paved in good intentions, and that your curse is irrevocable.

James Starke
Seraph of the Black Hand

You have crossed the line of your own stupidity. You close your eyes to the obvious truth which lies before you. Truely, you do not accept the facts of obvious truths yet...you accept the lies and false messages which society judges against vampires. You have closed your own casket as it where, you will remain ignorant and in many respects, the inquisitons puppet.

Bring your dogs, I will hear them bark and they shall feel death's icy breath, for you obviously do not know what I have in my possession. Needless to say, you and your lackies would do well to leave me be. I would not put it below you that you would use the Inquistions which would so gladly kill you had they have the chance against me. Strange...strange how your allegance is so distorted.

You are the enemy of vampire kind, you ensure our demise with you acceptance of this fate, and when someone speaks out, you attempt to quell them. Aider of the vampire hunters, I bid you farewell. May whatever God have mercy upon your soul, for you in your judgement of me have said your own damnation was certain.

James sits back into his chair, a rumpled letter held loosely in a blood-stained hand. He pauses at the end, and then rereads it before suddenly breaking into torrents of laughter.*
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"'Aider of the Vampire Hunters' he calls me. Me. An aider of the Hunters." He laughs again, and leans further back in his chair, propping his feet up on the desk.
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"Well, I most certaintly hunt Kindred, but not at all for the reasons this immature little shit is spouting." He shakes his head. "And, as I'm sure you know, I don't 'aid' the Hunters..."*
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He laughs as the priest jerks in his confinements, a gutteral sound escaping from his torn vocal cords. "Oh come now, Father Cortez... Surely you don't believe that I am through with you?" He snickers. "No, you're going to be a gift for Mr. Irenicus. A simple revelation of my love and good-will towards him. Unfortunately, I don't think that you'll survive the trip..."*
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With a laugh, he gets up to begin work on the tortured priest, situating him nicely into the black-lacquered coffin leaning back against the wall. A few hours later, he is finished, and the once-white silk of the coffin interior is stained crimson with the priests' Hunter blood.*
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"Hmmph. Didn't even survive the packing. How aweful..." James snickers and moves off to prepare the packaging slip.*
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Several days later, the coffin*arrives at Irenicus' place, a single note attached to it.
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This is the last you'll hear of me until it is too late. It'll take a lot more than God's mercy to rid yourself of me, little pup.*
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I'm coming for you, and when you are least expecting it, I will strike...*
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James Starke
Seraph of the Black Hand*
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(Any responding letters will return with "addressee unknown: return to sender" stamped on their unopened envelopes)
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ooc: Good gracious, people. What a mess. Saw my name come up here on a casual ego search, and read, and ... oi.

First off - Aelosia and Kain, I can see where Renaldi is coming from with their comments on arrogance and hypocrisy here. One does not go around -demanding- apologies in such a heavy-handed manner over such silliness. In reading back, it was ooc commentary on ooc comments made - nothing about your rp or character interactions other than the statement on a supposed slayer going out of their way to defend a vampire. Aelosia has come off looking as bad or worse than those they think to put down. If you're to gain respect (if you even care about such things), it's wise to try and rise above the fray, rather than wallow in it and add to the turmoil. Which, I might add, you both have done ooc'ly - not to say that others haven't done the same, of course.

Now, I realize you have rp reasons for the character interactions and responses - just understand, that it seems awfully odd to those of us with rather more traditional views of such things. Vampires, are by nature, monsters. This idea of them being the misunderstood saviours of mankind is, well ... silly, to put it bluntly. It makes no nevermind to me personally - I don't interact with your characters, nor do I plan to. It just isn't my style - nothing personal - but I do want to point some things out. If you choose to rp out your vision of it all, well and good. Just realize, you attract a good deal of derision and criticism in doing so - as do all who choose to rp oddities.

I'd think you'd be better served, rather than spit back nastiness when challenged - and I don't see anything particularly spiteful in Renaldi's post to deserve some of the response they got - to simply ignore it. Let it slide. Like water off a duck's back, to use a tired cliche. You only end up making yourselves look bad when you stoop to sniping and high-minded 'I'm SO much better than you, how DARE you criticize me' sorts of commentary we so often see in the forums. And yes ... that -is- rather how a lot of the ooc has come across, in my opinion at least.

At any rate, my $.02 there - and yes, since the letter in question that started this whole mess would have originated from inside my nation apparently, I do feel I can comment here - same as anyone with an opinion is free to do on these forums. As far as the mail goes - no, I really don't think it would have been intercepted. We run a tight ship anyway, let alone the fact that we're well over a billion in pop now. The chances of you pulling that letter out of the rest would be, well ... nil.

If you insist on continuing on with the mindset that it was a public transmission, though the player has stated otherwise (and, from reading back in the thread, seems to be a more proper form, given the circumstances - meaning private communique rather than public), there's not much I can say about it. But, as always ... suit yourselves.

Play on!

--Nathi's Player