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CHARTER OF THE ORDER OF THE SERAPHIM

There is but one Truth that exists in this World: Justice belongs to the victors. For the Order, this Truth must be Absolute. There can be no doubt in the mind. Justice must be enforced without hesitation and without doubt.

ARTICLE ONE: STATEMENT OF PURPOSE

The Order of the Seraphim, as established by its signatory nations, is to:
Ensure the sovereignty of all Order members.
Provide for the common defense of all Order members.
Provide for the common cause and welfare of all Order members.
Provide a structure for peaceful relations between all Order members.
Any other purposes determined in the future by the common consensus that are needed.
ARTICLE TWO: STRUCTURE

The Order of the Seraphim is run by one Seraphim leader - Sketch. The Seraphim shall have oversight powers over all other members. A veto by one Seraphim can only be overridden by three-fifths (3/5) of the alliance.

Cherubim shall be appointed by the Seraphim, to be confirmed by the membership of the alliance, and Kyriotetes and Dynamis shall be nominated by the Cherubim, and confirmed by the Seraphim. An advisory council will be created of the Cherubim to advice the Seraphim on key issues. The Cherubim will select one of their own, to be confirmed by the Seraphim, to act as chair of the advisory council. The advisory council will serve to ensure the Seraphim have heard all relevant information on key topics. A member of the Cherubim will also be in charge of diplomatic affairs, economic affairs, intra alliance affairs, military affairs, and most importantly intelligence. Each department will have primacy for its stated area of concern. Each cherubim member shall have two (2) assistants. A senior from the Kyriotetes, and a junior from the Dynamis. These assistants shall be responsible for assisting the Cherubim in his or her responsibilities, and to stand in for him should he be away. Senior regular members shall be in the rank of Archai, while junior regular members shall be of the rank of angel.

The Seraphim can at any time take control of the Army of the Order of the Seraphim, and can also remove any Cherubim or assistant either permanently or temporarily along with a three-fifths (3/5) vote.

ARTICLE THREE: COMMON DEFENSE

All member states of the Order shall allocate a negotiated amount of its annual budget and/or forces to the common defense of the Order. These forces will be under the command of the Cherubims of the Order and overseen by the Seraphim and be used to maintain peace in the Order's domain as well as execute its declared objectives abroad.

The purpose of the Combined Seraphim Forces (CSF) is to provide a rapid reaction force to protect the Order's interests aboard. Should the sovereignty of any member state be threatened, the CSF shall be deployed to assist them. All other members states are obligated to render assistance to said member should the need arise. Determination of such need will be decided by the Seraphim should a conflict arise.

ARTICLE FOUR: COMMON CAUSE AND WELFARE

All signatory nations of the Order of the Seraphim will have free trade in ideas and products in between them. Freedom of movement will not be restricted within the Order except in cases of extreme emergency, including but not limited to quarantine and martial law situations. Order members will not put tariffs on products from other members, and will give other members preferential trading status over non-members.

Any emergency in any member state shall be responded to by all other member states with aid.

ARTICLE FIVE: ADAPTABILITY

This document is intended to be changed to meet the changing realities in the future. The Charter of the Order of the Seraphim may be amended with a two-thirds (2/3) majority of member nations or at the discretion of a Seraphim with a three-fifths (3/5) majority vote among the Cherubim.

SIGNATORY NATIONS

The Star Protectorate of Clairmont (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=clarimont)
The Grand Dominion of Cspalla (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=cspalla)
The PrattCo Conglomerate Assets of Santa Barbara (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=santa_barbara)
The Holy Order of Sketch (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=sketch)
The Star Empire of Steel Butterfly (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=steel_butterfly)
The Dominion of Tappee (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=tappee)
The Glorious Kingdom of Vrak (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=vrak)
The Imperium of Battlecrabs (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=battlecrabs) {inactive}
The Sovereign Military Empire of Praetor (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=praetor) {inactive}
The Indomitable Dominion of Skager (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=skager) {inactive}
The ex-nation of Eizen
The ex-nation of Mallberta
The ex-nation of Sagesquagmire

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AMENDMENT ONE: RESTATEMENT OF CHARTER
Steel Butterfly (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=steel_butterfly)


Due to changes within the Order, the body of Seraphim Order charter has been altered. The changes are as follows:
The nation of Sketch is named the sole leader of the Order and the only true Seraphim.

Due to Sketch now having sole Seraphim control over the Order of the Seraphim, multiple (2) additional restrictions of power have been implicated in order to prevent takeover or nation to nation dictatorship. These include:
A restriction on the Seraphim’s power to remove a Cherubim unless he is supported by a 3/5 vote among members including himself and the Cherubim in question.
A restriction of the Seraphim’s power to amend the Charter at his or her discretion without a majority vote among members, including the Seraphim.

AMENDMENT TWO: FORMATION OF INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES
Steel Butterfly (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=steel_butterfly)


Due to escalation concerns throughout the known universe, the Intelligence Department, led by Director of Intelligence Steel Butterfly, will create no less than three (3) departments including Intelligence, Security, and Investigations, to support the Order and ensure safety throughout the many galaxies. These departments are described as follows:

Seraphim Central Bureau of Investigations (SCBI) (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=seraphim_investigation)

The purpose of the SCBI is to Investigate, Arrest, Try, and Inforce international law. They are also used when the Order needs to Investigate, Arrest, Try, and Inforce international law to an internal or external person, organization, or government. *A full description and limitations will be written up by the Order when this Amendment passes.*

Seraphim Order Security Agency (SOSA) (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=seraphim_security)

The purpose of the SOSA is to ensure the safety and well being of the internal structure of the Order as well as the nations involved. SOSA is entitled to but is not limited to use of Special Forces and/or other types of direct assault. *A full description and limitations will be written up by the Order when this Amendment passes.*

Seraphim Central Intelligence Agency (SCIA) (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=seraphim_intelligence)

The SCIA will be the supreme and “federal” Intelligence Agency of the Order. It will use the resources of both SCBI and SOSA as well as some of its own, specifically surveillance. *A full description and limitations will be written up by the Order when this Amendment passes.*

AMENDMENT THREE: FORMATION OF DIPLOMATIC AGENCIES
Vrak (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=vrak)


Due to the ever changing diplomatic and political conditions throughout the known universe, the Diplomatic Corps, led by Minister of Diplomacy and Politics Vrak, will create a department to support the Order and represent our interests throughout the many galaxies. The department describtion is as follows:

Seraphim Order Embassy (SOE) (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=seraphim_order_embassy)
Purpose and function
This SOE office acts as a diplomatic and political point of conduct between the Order and those outside the Order.
It also acts as a visible overall representative of the Order in regards to where the Order stands on particular events.
It acts as a recruitment tool – such as explaining to others what the Order represents.
It does not set policy nor does it have any voting powers.

Usage:
To be used by any of Seraphim rank, the Chair of the Cherubim council and the Head of the Diplomatic Affairs office.
The password is to be altered if any of these offices has a change in personnel.

AMENDMNET FOUR: FREE TRADE vs. SOVEREIGNTY OF NATIONS
Eizen

The Order of the Seraphim is dedicated to both maintaining the Right to Sovereign Rule of members nations and also to maintaing free and open economic relations with each member nations.

However should Free Trade between two or more nations threaten the safety and well being of a nation's citizenship, it is the Sovereign right of a member nation to suspend free trade without hesitation in order to protect its people. However, in order to maintain membership, the nations involved must actively work towards restoring free and open trade in a timely manner or face repercussions, which may include expulsion from the order.

If a member so chooses to suspend free trade, they may do so immediately. However that nation must give reason for such actions and its relation towards free trade. Said reason must have an impending and definitely negative effect for it to be legitimate. A resolution can be sought by mutual agreement between involved nations, or if no agreement can be reached then the Seraphim will make a decision.

Should the Seraphim be directly involved in the dispute then it will be up to all Cherubim not involved in the incident in order to come up with an effective resolution.

AMENDMENT FIVE: THE CSF - DEFINITION, PURPOSE, and OPERATION
Santa Barbara (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=santa_barbara)


CSF Structure and Command

The Combined Seraphim Forces (CSF) shall consist primarily of two organs, the Joint Interplanetary Legion (JIL) and the Combined Resources Corps (CRC). The CSF will be under overall command of the Seraphim leadership, and the strategic-operational command of a C-i-C, bearing the rank of High Imperator to be appointed by the Advisory Council and Seraphim upon a majority vote.
JIL Structure

The JIL operational forces shall be organized into unique War Legions, to be transportable by air-space capable units and defended primarily by fleets of space vessels, which will serve as the rapid-reaction, rapid-deployment military arm of the Order of the Seraphim. The JIL will be under overall command of the C-i-C of the CSF, and operational command of a qualified general bearing the rank of Imperator, appointed by the CSF C-i-C. The JIL will have it's own rank structure, uniforms, standards and units.


CRC Structure

The CRC shall consist of individual Order member nations' military forces, which shall be placed under temporary command of the CSF for unified, Order leadership in the event of any combined Order operation, such as defense in the event of a major war. The CRC commander shall bear the rank of no less than Imperator, and takes orders directly from the CSF C-i-C. The CRC will not have it's own rank structure, uniforms, or standards.
CSF Funding and Support
Each Order must contribute a negotiated amount of financial support for the CSF, whether as operational savings for the CRC, annual fundings for the JIL, or an equivalent support in lieu of these, to be specificed and negotiated with the Seraphim.

The JIL depends on Order contributions for it's entire budget.

The CRC, since it will consist of units already existant within Order member nations' militaries, will not require it's own annual budget. However, a savings fund is set up to allow the CRC to continue a major war even if budget constraints hit the member nations.

The CSF shall construct an Alpha Base, as defined as an advanced command base with multiple functions, in or near each Order member nation to coordinate JIL and CRC operations between Order members and leadership, communicate with existing Order member nation defense forces and command/communications/control.
CSF Purpose and Limitations
The purpose of the CSF shall primarily be to uphold the purposes and principles of the Charter of the Order of the Seraphim, by defending member states, enforcing Order official policies and welfare, keeping the peace, enabling the continued sovereignty of all Order members, and any other purpose in keeping with Order principles and designated and authorized by the Seraphim and Advisory Council.

The CSF may not be used in a warlike manner without either of the two conditions being met:
The Seraphim leadership, along with a 3/5 vote of the Advisory Council, has ordered and authorized the use of the CSF to the CSF High Imperator.
An Order member nation is under attack and requires Order intervention for it's defenses.

The CRC may take temporary command of any military units in Order states, which are under attack, if the Seraphim deem that unified leadership is required to continue an able defense. The CRC may not be used without an official authorization beyond general CSF deployment, and so serves as a "militia" to the JIL's "Marines."

The CSF High Imperator may be replaced at any time by the Seraphim, with a 3/5 Advisory Council vote required during peacetime.


AMENDMENT SIX: PROCEDURES FOR JOINING THE ORDER
Sketch (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=sketch)


As the Order grows in power and influence, it is inevitable that nations will come to petition for membership. To ensure that all joing members are of the highest quality and charater a standard set of procedures must be adopted. The following is the application process:
All canidate nations must convince a member of the Order to act as their sponsor nation.
Once sponsor is aquired, each canidate nation must submit a record of acheivements and provide an argument for acceptance (an RP sample and why we should consider you)
Upon acceptance of a canidate's application, the Diplomatic affairs, Internal affairs and Intelligence offices will audit the canidate nation. The specific actions are as follows:
Diplomacy affairs will review the canidate nation's history of wars, trade, and other diplomatic relations.
Internal affairs will assess the merits the canidate nation and their worth to the Order.
Intelligence will analyze the nation's curent and previous alliance/affiliations and their involvement(s) in such.

Once the audit is completed, the those offices will submit their findings to upper command (Seraphim and Cherubim)
The Seraphim will consult with the Cherubim and then make a decision regarding the canidate nation's acceptance into the Order.
Once accepted, the canidate nation will become a full fledge member nation, with all the priveldges and responsibilities of an Order member.
A rank and/or position will be bestowed upon the new member after six (6) months of review (ic, ooc - whenever something comes up)


AMENDMENT SEVEN: PROCEDURES FOR LEAVING THE ORDER
Sketch (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=sketch)


There comes a time when a nation may decide that it no longer believes in the ideals of the Order. When that time comes, that nation shall be severed from the body of the Order. In order to facilitate the transition from member to nonmember status, a standardized set of procedures must be adopted.
Voluntary departure form the Order. This is when a member nation decides that it will no longer be affiliated with the Order and thus chooses to sever its ties with the Order. Voluntary is defined as "peaceful, willing, and without malicious intent or action". The conditions for voluntary departure are as follows:
Nation must provide one (1) year prior notice (ic, ooc - one (1) week).
All Order personnel, documents, and material must be turned over to the Order before departure.
Nation must agree to maintain friendly relations with the Order for a minimum of one (1) year (ic).

Involuntary departure from the Order. Occasionally a misjudgement is made and an undesirable element is introduced to the ranks. Be it that either a "member" that doesn't truly uphold the beliefs of the Order or one with malicious intent, they will be treated the same. Involuntary departure is a result of disciplinary action dealt to the (ex) member nation. The following are cases which will result in immediate removal from the Order:
Betraying the Order
Attempting to usurp the leadership of the Seraphim
Revealing Order secrets to outsiders
Acting with malicious intent towards another Order member
Attempting to cause strife within the Order

Involuntary removal from the Order will result in full disciplinary action by the Order upon the (ex) member nation. The following is a list of actions that may be taken against a nation removed involuntarily:
Reparations to be paid to the Order and/or members
Economic sanctions against that nation
Temporary annexation of that nation
Permanant annexation of that nation (ooc - resistance to which will result in glassification)

Emperor Damon stood before the Senate, it had been a long time since a special session of the Senate had been convened to hear the emperor. His words would be broadcast throughout the Nation, and sent to news agencies throughout the world as well.

"Today Praetor takes a step forward. For too long have we sat in our isolation, building up our forces and infrastructure, yet leaving the rest of the world to itself. Today, along with the Dominion of Sketch, we end this. No longer will we sit and do nothing. We co-found this alliance with Sketch for the betterment of all nations, to ensure that no nation, no matter how large, or how small, will have their sovereignty violated. Today we march forward for the good of all."

The Senate rose the applaud the Emperor, stunned at the sudden change in Praetor's international policy. Life in Praetor would be very different in the coming times.

OOC: Any nations wishing to join the alliance should post their interest here, as well as applying for membership at the alliance boards. The URL is http://s2.invisionfree.com/Order_ofthe_Seraphim/
All nations are welcome to apply for membership.

Presented here is the newly created charter for an alliance which fully recognizes and supports the rights of all sovereign nations. We find that far too often, nations claming to be "good", misuse their stature to impose their own vision of correctness upon other nations. We have hereby formed a union which exists to prevent those such nations from further victimizing others. We offer nations a guarantee of full sovereignty no matter how they choose to govern themselves.

From the Vrakian Royal Press Office

== Press Statement ==

We agree with the principles outlined in the Order and thus we are proud to belong to this distinguished organization. We wish long life and glory for the Order of the Seraphim.

The Vrakian press official tripped and bumped his head after delivering the press release.

Idle curiosity..my nation is avowedly atheist...we instead look for human evolution and transcendence. While your goals may be simialr to our feelings (usually), I am wondering whether you must be a religious country in order to join.

Idle curiosity..my nation is avowedly atheist...we instead look for human evolution and transcendence. While your goals may be simialr to our feelings (usually), I am wondering whether you must be a religious country in order to join.

OOC: I don't think an NS nation has to be religious in order to join but I'll let the higher ups weigh in here. Vrak is atheist as well.




The FKC (http://www.freewebs.com/klatchia/index.htm)
The Order of the Seraphim (http://s2.invisionfree.com/Order_ofthe_Seraphim/index.php?act=idx)
The UTP (http://invisionfree.com/forums/UTP/index.php?)
TDP Tech Inc. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1902608#1902608)
World Factbook Entry: Vrak (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83379&highlight=)

Idle curiosity..my nation is avowedly atheist...we instead look for human evolution and transcendence. While your goals may be simialr to our feelings (usually), I am wondering whether you must be a religious country in order to join.

Praetor is also an atheist nation. As stated by Sketch and me, all nations are free to join, sovereignty is cherished above all else.

OOC: Quick question:

There is but one Truth that exists in this World: Justice belongs to those who win. For the Order, this Truth must be Absolute. There can be no doubt in the mind. Justice must be enforced without hesitation and without doubt.
Doesn't this statement sorta contradict the sovereignty-first idea of your general policies? In fact, the above statement could be taken directly from Menelmacar's foreign policy, which I'm sure as you know tends to enforce justice without hesitation or doubt even if the Empire has to trample all over some hapless moron's 'sovereignty' to do so.

Just a bit of a thought.

~Siri

OOC: <does some poking>

Stop before you make a hole! :x :wink:

Ahem....

While the statement may appear to be self-contridictory at first, it is not. Sovereignty is cherished above all else, and so is being able to continue that sovereignty. There is no justice for those who lose, as it is always the victors who write the history books. Thus, in order to preserve oneself, one must always be ready to act without hesitation and without self-doubt. While your foreign policy may be based around trampling on the rights of other nations, it is also a form of self-assurance of your existence. By wiping out all present, future, or remotely possible threats, you ensure that your nation will never become one of the many lost through the conflicts of time. In essence you have created yourself to be "Justice." Our form of "justice" just hapens to be slightly less invasive then yours {no pun intended....}.

The retort.

~Sketchy

Honourable Unionists of The Order of the Seraphim.

After some careful thinking, Empress Evendim has come before the Order of the Seraphim to request permission to add her nation to the list of loyal unionists. Although Sagesquagmire is not either atheist nor religious we hope that it is of no consequence when considering our application.

Kind Regards,
Master Hokano Riki,
Foreign Affairs,
Kentosani.

<ooc> dont mind me... but i cant figure out what this thread is about................ is it the constitution for a Region? is it an RP? or......something else? </ooc>

{UP}Kaos Kestrel
www.unitedpowers.cjb.net

<ooc> dont mind me... but i cant figure out what this thread is about................ is it the constitution for a Region? is it an RP? or......something else? </ooc>

{UP}Kaos Kestrel
www.unitedpowers.cjb.net

It is of the formation of an alliance, The Order of the Seraphim.

what the hell, i'll join

what the hell, i'll join

Just a reminder, if you're going to apply to join, post your intention here, then apply on the website http://s2.invisionfree.com/Order_ofthe_Seraphim/index.php

SeOCC is honored to have been invited to join this organization. Due to conflicts between the charter of the CACE and the Order of the Seraphim, specifically regarding free trade, we will be unable to join without leaving the CACE. It can hardly be called unreasonable that we are unwilling to do so.

However, we would like to offer the Order of the Seraphim the opportunity to sign the Economic Treaty (http://invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?showtopic=410) ratified by the CACE. The Treaty is specifically economic, makes no political demands on a country, and thus can be considered to respect the sovereignty of all signatory nations. The only specific limitation is that no WBO/SATO nation can sign this treaty, and nations that do join the Economic Treaty may not trade with non-signatories. However, should this treaty be integrated into the Order's charter as it is in the CACE charter, this will not be a significant issue unless members have trade pacts with other nations.

This, however, is not an issue. Simply have those nations sign the treaty as well and trade may continue as usual.

The appeal of this treaty is singular in nature: it allows signatory nations to trade with the CACE. The CACE is the largest untapped market in the world, has more reserve capital than any trade alliance in existence, and has a population that outstrips most other alliances. Signatory nations will have unique opportunities, both to use the dormant capital funds of CACE nations as well as sell their goods to markets previously closed. The opportunity for profit offered here cannot be matched by any other trade pact, even the WBO or UTP, because you will be dealing with completely new markets rather than markets in which there are already large numbers of corporate competitors.

I encourage both Order members and prospective members to give serious consideration to the merits of this treaty. This is our proof that the CACE seeks mutual betterment, and we invite all nations who place the virtues of humanity rather than the enrichment of their tiny elite to join us in this treaty.

Tina Luten
Minister of Foreign Affairs
SeOCC

and nations that do join the Economic Treaty may not trade with non-signatories.

Isn`t that a contradiction to the 'souvereignity' part of the Seraphim charter?

The CACE is the largest untapped market in the world Amazing. I agree.

has more reserve capital than any trade alliance in existence, and has a population that outstrips most other alliances That is propaganda and simply wrong.

The opportunity for profit offered here cannot be matched by any other trade pact, even the WBO or UTP, because you will be dealing with completely new markets rather than markets in which there are already large numbers of corporate competitors.
The imploded economies in CACE wont have the money to pay, the powerhouses have state economies (also called 'state capitalism', which best describes the SeOCC system) instead of corporations, the competition is there. Ridiculous arguments.

~ DA ministry for other stuff, which got the knowledge of this offers to The Seraphim order the same way SeOCC knows about WBO trade relations to the periphery and other stuff

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Release of the Ministry for international mockery:

"In a recent turn of events, it seems like CACE is willing to open it´s markets to nations with Star wars- and Vorlon technology. Thusly, the ignore- risk regarding WBO- CACE relations due to ridiculous tech has just been reduced to nothing."

and nations that do join the Economic Treaty may not trade with non-signatories.

Isn`t that a contradiction to the 'souvereignity' part of the Seraphim charter?

The CACE is the largest untapped market in the world Amazing. I agree.

has more reserve capital than any trade alliance in existence, and has a population that outstrips most other alliances That is propaganda and simply wrong.

The opportunity for profit offered here cannot be matched by any other trade pact, even the WBO or UTP, because you will be dealing with completely new markets rather than markets in which there are already large numbers of corporate competitors.
The imploded economies in CACE wont have the money to pay, the powerhouses have state economies (also called 'state capitalism', which best describes the SeOCC system) instead of corporations, the competition is there. Ridiculous arguments.

~ DA ministry for other stuff, which got the knowledge of this offers to The Seraphim order the same way SeOCC knows about WBO trade relations to the periphery and other stuff

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Release of the Ministry for international mockery:

"In a recent turn of events, it seems like CACE is willing to open it´s markets to nations with Star wars- and Vorlon technology. Thusly, the ignore- risk regarding WBO- CACE relations due to ridiculous tech has just been reduced to nothing."

In regards to your last post, many of your allies use future tech, it seems odd for you to now suddenly be against such technology.
We were once allies Der Angst, it is a pity you now seem to stand so firmly against us.

ooc: Erm... Not only several of my allies use futuretech, i`m using it as well :P Therefore, i also recognise it. Always. As do i with magic, etc. etc.. There is literally no tech i do ignore (Tech usage is something else...)

I wrote that part because SeOCC ignores any futuretech that goes beyond modern +1 (Gauss weapons, Quantum computing, etc.), so i perceive his... ummm... invitation as somewhat hypocritical ;)

(Aka: I didn´t mock you, i mocked SeOCC)

Celdonia wishes to offer the nations of The Seraphim the best of success in creating, what we hope will be, a stabilising influence in what is becoming an increasingly unstable world.

Might we also echo the words of Seocc and encourage The Order to give its full consideration to the Economic Treaty, and the benefits that may be accrued from signing it.

Best wishes
Michael McKay,
Celdonian Foerign Minister.

--- Double Post ---

The Order of the Seraphim recognizes the CACE economic trade treaty, but does not approve it. We must insist that its benefits must extend to all the member nations of the Order, no matter what their extra-allinace affliliations. Since the actual benefits of this treaty are limited by an individual nation's internal policies, we see no reason why any member nation of a signatory alliance should be excluded. And as such, that exlcusion would be most unwelcomed and unacceptable. It is also disturbing that this treaty would require that its signatory members not trade with non-signoatory nations. This clause directly impinges upon the Order's sovereignty clause, as economic trade is an internal affair. Once these issuses have been resolved, then the Order will reconsider the proposed treaty.

ooc:

It may be difficult to interact with you if you ignore future tech. The Order, in general, recognizes all tech levels. But we would need you to recognize us too.

ooc:

It may be difficult to interact with you if you ignore future tech. The Order, in general, recognizes all tech levels. But we would need you to recognize us too.

OOC: I don't believe we do neccessarily ignore future tech (well, not absolutely anyway). What we don't like is nations declaring automatic superiority over other nations simply because they have declared a massive tech advantage. Now, most of us tend to avoid direct military conflict most of the time anyway so it's not a major issue. When conflict does take place though we expect some sort of levelling so that the RP is the most important aspect rather than the tech. E.g. Celdonia is a pretty big nation, and I don't really want to have to go running for the hills when a nation of 5 million insists on having some sort of uber-tech. If future tech is just used to give colour to the RP then I don't really have a problem with it, but if it's only purpose is to squash your opponents it's hardly much fun. If the opponent is adamant that they retain a huge advantage because of tech superiority then the besty thing to do is say "thanks, but no thanks" and walk away.

That's really just my opinion though, and I can't really speak for the other CACE members.

This clause directly impinges upon the Order's sovereignty clause, as economic trade is an internal affair. Once these issuses have been resolved, then the Order will reconsider the proposed treaty.

This objection makes no sense at all, since you have an organization that also restricts sovereignty. The difference is that nations who join your organization willingly give up that power; we ask nations to do the same. The benefits here far out weigh the loss of a small amount of decision making, especially as more nations sign the Economic Treaty.

Let me explain some of the specific advantages of signing the Economic Treaty. First, and I cannot overemphasize this, the CACE is an extremely vast untapped market. The CACE alone can probably make for any trade lost by the limitations of the Economic Treaty, to say nothing for the markets you will gain access to as more nations sign on. This will be a closed loop, meaning less competition meaning higher profit margins. Economically signing the treaty is a good move.

For reference, current CACE census has our population at roughly 40 billion people. That's 40 billion potential consumers. Think about it.

Second, beyond markets the CACE has vast amounts of unused capital. If you are familiar with the SeOCC Banking Consortium you might recall that, with Pure Evil, the SBC was responsible for the backing and management of the World Dollar. Now some might argue about currency value, but the point I want to make is that the SBC could back, with physical currency, about 10 Trillion WD at any given moment. That's 10T that is just sitting, not being invested. And of course SeOCC has substantial holdings beyond the SBC, and the same goes for other prosperous CACE members. Imagine what your investors could do with our money; there is no private investment in our nations because we are on planned economies so there are no opportunities of this sort locally. And, if your nation qualifies for Trade Primacy, I can guarantee favorable treatment of your investors.

Third, let me address some of the struggling economies in the CACE. Some people see economies with no money to spend, but I see opportunities. I see opportunities for your businesses to do work for these countries. The CACE works on a non-monied basis, we give to each other based on need, so if you wanted to, for instance, build roads in a nation with struggling economy you could probably get another CACE nation to foot the bill. All those weak economies in the CACE are actually better for you than the developed economies of, say, the WBO, because there are more opportunities for your businesses to step up and make some bucks.

Fourth, and this may not mean much to you, but it puts you on a short list of nations that the CACE knows are not hostile to us. Now this is only important if you intend to seek fruitful, mutually beneficial relations with the CACE and its members, but if you do signing the treaty is about the only way to do that as a capitalist nation. You'll notice we have no capitalist allies, even though many capitalist nations express ideas and ideologies not that far from our own. This is because of the naturally antagonistic relationship between private enterprise economies and planned economies. This treaty mitigates that antagonism and allows both sides to evolve without bashing heads with each other.

So let me finish addressing your sovereignty issue again. This treaty sets out a set of policies, as all treaties do, that both sides agree to. We are not telling you to do this, you would choose to do this. Given the incredible benefits this treaty offers the choice should be clear: sign the Treaty and we can work together to ensure a prosperous, peaceful future for both our alliances.

Ibin Khalid
Speical Officer, Minister of Politics
SeOCC (in Celdonia)

ooc: this is basically my policy, i think it's a good one:

what i campaigned for, ages ago, was a totally modular tech RP standard. this means that premise would not factor into anything at all, only objective standards. SeOCC has x population with y economy, z defense spending that i allocate here here and here. my enemy as b population with c economy and d defense spending which tye allocate here here and here. these objective ideas then bash up against each other regardless of the forms we claim they take.

M has a big navy, fine, but it doesn't have to fly. i have superior EDW, but if i RP with a WWII nation i'd RP this as superior radar, not the FJA's i use as a modern +1 nation.

i don't ignore nations based on tech until they try to use that tech to get an unfair advantage over me. we all know it's a god mode when, to use C's example, a 5 million person nation says they have uber tech that can beat any modern tech nation of a billion people or more. why isn't it a god mode when a billion person nation claims an advantage over the other based solely on their premise?

really. so i don't have a problem with whatever tech you're using as long as you don't attack me, which you probably won't so there's no worries. i am a very inclusive player, i try to be able to contact as many nations as possible, i just don't want to get screwed because someone is playing four hundred years in the future. modular, RP should be modular.

I'm too lazy to word this ICly, so here goes:

The Treaty is specifically economic, makes no political demands on a country, and thus can be considered to respect the sovereignty of all signatory nations.

followed immediately by:

The only specific limitation is that no WBO/SATO nation can sign this treaty, and nations that do join the Economic Treaty may not trade with non-signatories.

You state that politics have nothing to do with the trade treaty, but yet, within the body of conditions lies a blatant political agenda.

You say that we also restrict sovereignty, perhaps your definition of sovereignty is not the same as ours. Sovereignty, in short, is how you run your own country. So long as your policies do not affect any other nation, it is considered internal. Therefore, trade, although being an interaction with another nation, is an internal policy, and thus, something the Order does not regulate.

Since I know you will bring up the "free trade" clause from our charter, I will present a case for that as well. Once a nation decides to ally with another in mutual defense/interst, certain issues become a matter of extra national policy, such as direct trade between said alliance members. Any alliance depends on openness between "friends".

You continue to expouse the advantages of trading with your organization. May I remind you that each of the Order's members are economic powerhouses in their own right, with no real need to "conquer" new markets. A monopoly on commerce within your group may be an economic boon, but not one that is in anyway vital to us. Stated simply, you need us more than we need you.

Respect for Sketch: +3.

~Siri

ooc: ok i'll do this ooc too.

You state that politics have nothing to do with the trade treaty, but yet, within the body of conditions lies a blatant political agenda.

so you're refering to the exclusion of WBO/SATO nations, but did you research WHY this was suggested? well, it's really quite simple. Der Angst had something to do with an attempted terrorist attack on my nation in which the terrorists tried to detonate a nuclear bomb inside my incredibly densely populated nation. how do i know? because i've recieved ic and ooc confirmation that at the very least the money that paid and financed these terrorists came through his country.

now i didn't think he did it but i asked him to help the investigation by telling SeOCC MSA (our police) who the account belonged to. i would then use that name to find the real culprit. but of course DA said no. so i asked Lavenrunz to lean on them, and that didn't work, so i asked the WBO directly to get me the information, and they ignored me. so at this point we decided that nobody in the WBO/SATO was interested in helping us find out who tried to blow up SeOCC so we excluded them from this treaty.

there is no political agenda there, but we made a decision: we're not trading with nations who are aiding and abbetting terrorists. so there you go. i hope that explains that.

You say that we also restrict sovereignty, perhaps your definition of sovereignty is not the same as ours. Sovereignty, in short, is how you run your own country. So long as your policies do not affect any other nation, it is considered internal. Therefore, trade, although being an interaction with another nation, is an internal policy, and thus, something the Order does not regulate.

okay, it's kind of naive to think that trade is internal given how economics works today. look at the Asian Financial Crisis. if you don't recall, this was a currency crisis that caused massive recessions in most of South East Asia, and ended up causing downturn in the US and Europe as their SEA holdings were hit. but how did it start?

it started when some Thai banks invested heavily in Ukrainian businesses, which failed. Thai banks then lost tons, and those investors that had invested in Thai banks lost tons, and the guys that backed them lost, and it went on and on until, seriously, the whole world felt the effects of the bad investments of some Thai bankers.

trade is NOT internal.

beyond that, it's not a restriction if you choose to sign. it's an agreement: quid pro quo. we will only trade with people who meet these criteria. if you do, why not sign? you get access to our markets. if you don't, do you want access to our markets? if so, make the necessary reforms. if no, see the next point.

You continue to expouse the advantages of trading with your organization. May I remind you that each of the Order's members are economic powerhouses in their own right, with no real need to "conquer" new markets. A monopoly on commerce within your group may be an economic boon, but not one that is in anyway vital to us. Stated simply, you need us more than we need you.

is the US an economic powerhouse? of course, it is THE economic powerhouse. but the US's economy would collapse if it lost its international connections. the US imports massive amounts of raw and processed materials to fabricate finished products. did you know that in order for a product to say 'Made in the USA' only final assembly need take place in the US? most 'US Made' products were 80% fabricated in overseas sweatshops, and then the hard work is done in the US.

so you're a powerhouse, yes, but do you want to stay one? you need international trade in order to keep a capitalist economy afloat, you need new markets to sell stuff to and you need new opportunities for investment in order to create jobs. now if you're not into economic RP this won't really matter to you, but if you want to create a realistic economy you need to find, constantly, new markets and new investment areas. the CACE offers both, and in nearly unlimited supply. the Treaty will, as time goes, grow, providing even more opportunities.

right now Xikuang is working on getting the Developing Nations Conference to ratify the treaty. i don't need to go into how many opportunities are waiting for your corporations in an organization put together of nations with weak economies. and the CACE will fund all that development, putting cash straight into your pockets.

the problem is this is one of those mass use problems; the more people that use a good like say an OS the better it is because more programs are written for it. in this case it's the more people that sign, but in order for people to sign they want to see that other people will be onboard. it's a chicken and the egg thing: we need you on board to sell this to the DNC, or we need the DNC on board to sell this to you. so i propose that the Order take a risk and ratify the Treaty. at the very least it will be a good source of RP as we squabble over Trade Primacy status and beat out economic deals.

so that's my case for it. i really don't think it's a restriction of sovereignty. if you don't want to abide by the requirements of the treaty then that's your business, but it's not a restriction of sovereignty, it's a conflict of interests. if this is the case, say so and i'll stop trying to convince you, but don't tell me it's an issue off sovereignty. i'm not telling you what to do, i'm offering you an opportunity to take part in serious, well thought out RP, to get massive ic benefits for your country, and be one of the people on the ground floor of a rather massive undertaking; and don't tell me that doesn't feel good, you just founded an alliance, of course it feels good.

so think about it.

The PrattCo Conglomerate has most seriously considered entering into such an agreement with our friends in Sketch and Praetor.

However, as we agree with the principles of sovereignty, the clause wherein the Seraphim nations may take control of signatory nations' contributed military assets at any time, and with no explicit regulation as to the nature and purpose of such control, is too great a risk for us to take at this time.

In addition, while the Conglomerate would gladly contribute military forces in joint pursuit of our mutual interests, we cannot afford to re-allocate any defence funding for the creation of forces we have less-than-equal control over. [OOC: Actually, I can't afford to give up budget without disbanding units, which I don't wanna do cuz my military website is almost complete and I dun wanna have to change it :P]

Nevertheless, in the interests of increased trade and future friendly relations, we would inquire as to the possibility of a formal friendship/trade/nonaggression pact between the Order and the Conglomerate.

Eric Love
Director, International Developments Group
PrattCo Conglomerate

now i didn't think he did it but i asked him to help the investigation by telling SeOCC MSA (our police) who the account belonged to. i would then use that name to find the real culprit. but of course DA said no. so i asked Lavenrunz to lean on them, and that didn't work, so i asked the WBO directly to get me the information, and they ignored me. so at this point we decided that nobody in the WBO/SATO was interested in helping us find out who tried to blow up SeOCC so we excluded them from this treaty.
OOC: To be perfectly honest, I don't check the WBO board as much as I probably could, and should. So I didn't see the thread, though I did glance back, and found it.

Anyway, don't forget the relationship between Menelmacar and Der Angst - as in, we own assloads of their stock. We're in a unique position to put pressure on them. Menelmacar's position on terrorism is ironclad - we don't support it, under any circumstances. Hell, if I can help Melkor investigate a terrorist attack against his nation - and I did on one occasion, when he asked - I can probably help you too.

All you have to do is actually ask. Amazingly, we're actually not a country of assholes when we're treated with something vaguely resembling respect.

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Regent of Lavenrunz, Chancellor of CENNA
"We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. We will see freedom's victory."
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All you have to do is actually ask. Amazingly, we're actually not a country of assholes when we're treated with something vaguely resembling respect.

ooc: an ic tag for an ooc comment...

respect is earned, not given. you ignored my direct request for assistance, you treated me like shit back in the day when i was giving HELPFUL economic advice. you brought this on yourself, you earned your own reputation. i accept what people say about me, now get off your high horse and take some responsibility.

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Most Honoured Leaders of Sketch and Preator;

We welcome the establishment of such an orgainzation; any such alliance serves to increase the stability and order of all nations. We firmly believe that the security of the world as a whole is firmly based on multilateralism and interconnectedeness as embodied in this 'Order of the Seraphim'.

However, Mallberta cannot accept a secondary, subsidiary membership in said order; it is an affront to both our dignity and our might. We will not be junior partners or serfs of any nation, no matter their own reputation or strength.

Until this situation is remedied, Mallberta will recognize the legitimacy of said organization, but will offer no formal ties.

Regards,

Ambrose the Advocate
Lord Regent of Mallberta
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Continuing the verbal sparring with SeOCC

It is your dicision to exclude whatever nations you wish. We are simply stating that we will not agree to anything that will exclude any of our member nations. At current time we do not have any such nations, but may in the future. In addtion, such exclusion creates a precendence, and an acceptance of such a term would allow you to essentially dictate the members that the Order takes on - which is completely unacceptable.

Your point on terrorism, while valid, does not apply to us. We have very strict rules on this. Terrorism is a clearcut case of sovereignty violations. It is an attempt to manipulate another country's internal policies. The Order frowns heavily upon type of act, and will enforce the zero tolerance policy without prejudice.

You reap what you sow. You make a bad investment or you do not keep a short leash on your assests, then you need to expect poor returns. Those business people made a risky venture with little oversight and thus suffered the consequences. Albeit it affected us all, but had investors kept a check on their money the affect would have been more limited.

Trade is an internal policy as far as politics is concerned. You do not see highly successful nations dictating to their businesses where, when, and how they are to invest. Hell, the US will bend over backwards for a few special interest investors.

It is not a question about reforms, for example - being an oppressive style government, I would already be dictating terms of business to investors. The question is on whether or not any present of future Order member (who would become a signatory nation by default, as part of the acceptance process) would be afforded the same benefits regardless of their political background.

As I stated earlier, we are already all economic powerhouses. We do not need you to continue being economically strong. Your leverage is actually quite small, due to your own policies. By being a tightly controlled, almost closed market, there is little to worry about our competitors getting the advantage.

The terms in the treaty are a restriction on sovereignty. By agreeing to such terms, any nation is voluntarily giving up a piece of their dicision making power to your organiztion. They allow you to dictate who they trade and interact with. Restictions on sovereignty are not always by force, it can be by choice. For example - Menelmacar and her many "puppets". She says jump and they do so gladly. But, just because they choose to do so doesn't mean that they have full control. I don't see Thelas (?) telling Lady Siri off anytime soon.

Its not about taking a risk. Its about having terms dictated to us which violate our very principles. Remove the nation and trade restrictions and the treaty is as good as signed. Each individual member will then decide their level of "compliance" for trade benefits, as stated.

Consider what I have said. While we may not see eye to eye, perhaps we can stick with just being friendly.

Respect for Sketch: +3.

~Siri

Holy Cow! Menel has respect for me! So what does that make my rating now? Some large negative number +3? :P

In response to Santa Barbara:

We understand your hesitation in committing valuable military assests, we would like to remind all that such contributions can be negotiated before joining. There are other things that nations can provide than just military might.

Should you still find the prospect disagreeable, I am sure we can find some middle ground for friendly relations.

ooc:
Since I can't think of a way to put this ICly: Order forces would only be taken in cases of crucial time constraints. Ie, to hold off invading forces long enough for talks, backup, etc. Praetor and I aren't about to go willy nilly attacking everyone in NS with your troops.

For Mallberta:

We understand your desire to maintain your pride, as we all feel the need to do so. While we sympathize with your position, you must also understand that postions of trust and power must be earned, not given. Although it is unfortunate that your stance on the issue be so firm, we hope that we can maintain friendly and cordial relations with you.

The terms in the treaty are a restriction on sovereignty. By agreeing to such terms, any nation is voluntarily giving up a piece of their dicision making power to your organiztion. They allow you to dictate who they trade and interact with. Restictions on sovereignty are not always by force, it can be by choice. For example - Menelmacar and her many "puppets". She says jump and they do so gladly. But, just because they choose to do so doesn't mean that they have full control. I don't see Thelas (?) telling Lady Siri off anytime soon.

so you're lecturing me on sovereignty when the terms of your organization place you and Praetor in charge of everyone, with veto power AND the ability to commandeer militaries? i'll tell you what, boy howdy, i'm a lot less scared of some economic reforms than i am of having some guy pick up a couple battallions on his own say so.

so you're not going to sign, just say so. clearly you're not interested in the kind of RP i'm offering, nor in the Treat, so i'm out.

For Mallberta:

We understand your desire to maintain your pride, as we all feel the need to do so. While we sympathize with your position, you must also understand that postions of trust and power must be earned, not given. Although it is unfortunate that your stance on the issue be so firm, we hope that we can maintain friendly and cordial relations with you.

Just as a little follow up to what Sketch said, positions of authority in the order must be earned. And the idea behind giving the two Seraphim so much power is that in far too many alliances, too many people hold too much power, and there is not a clear power structure. These alliances can become fragmented, with internal politics eclipsing the greater purpose of the alliance, or with individual members taking actions in the name of the alliance that are not condoned by the alliance.. I have little doubt with your history and relative power, malberta, that you would likely find yourself in a leadership position.
I hope both you and SB will take the time to reconsider joining, as requirements are always negotiable.

For SeoCC:

In charge of the Order'saffairs, not the internal affairs of any of the member nations. Veto power over the dicisions made within the Order, again, concerning Order affairs. Military command over prenegotiated, contributed military forces.

You obviously missed the point of the alliance. I bid you good day.

posted on the other board

All you have to do is actually ask. Amazingly, we're actually not a country of assholes when we're treated with something vaguely resembling respect.

ooc: an ic tag for an ooc comment...

respect is earned, not given. you ignored my direct request for assistance, you treated me like shit back in the day when i was giving HELPFUL economic advice. you brought this on yourself, you earned your own reputation. i accept what people say about me, now get off your high horse and take some responsibility.
OOC: Now who's on a high horse? Well, fine, if your desire to bitch is greater than your desire to catch some terrorists, so it shall be.

And yes. I did earn my reputation. And you earned yours. There are good reasons people like me.

~Siri

OOC:

"Awl right, awl right. Break it up you two! Take it outta this thread. Right then."

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*shoots gay police guy in the you-know-wheres and runs like hell

That was not nice.... behave and respect authoirty :P

*shoots gay police guy in the you-know-wheres and runs like hell

OOC:

"Now I'll have to pour hot tea on you...you delinquent!"

OOC: Now who's on a high horse? Well, fine, if your desire to bitch is greater than your desire to catch some terrorists, so it shall be.

ooc: oh, wait, where was that post like two months ago when i asked DIRECTLY for aid? and how long did you have since the original posting until the CACE cut ties to offer help? forever you say? correct! please, it's not even funny.

hijack done, M laughed at.

Alright, your hijacking is done. Really Menel........you know better than to take the bait.....tsk tsk.....and SeOCC, take your problems elsewhere.

Back to the subject at hand - the Order of the Seraphim. Check it out, make a statement, voice an opinion, don't hijack.

OOC: Posted and applied for registration at the board.

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oops, sorry this post was supposed to be in the SATO wargames thread.

Sorry.

Mmmm k.......Celdonia........I guess I'll take this oportunity to bump then :wink:

The Order of Seraphim is an alliance that looks after member nations sovereignty. And as a small and relatively unknown nation in the world of NS, the Order of Seraphim is well worth supporting.


oh yeah an *BUMPITY BUMP*

This looks interesting indeed. I'll give this an honorary bump.

It deserves a second look too

bump

:)

The Fascist States of Walten officially announces its intention to join.

OOC:

Just in case anyone missed the Order forum site, it is here. (http://s2.invisionfree.com/Order_ofthe_Seraphim/index.php?act=idx)

Just keep in mind that sometimes invisionfree is wonky though.

OOC:

Just in case anyone missed the Order forum site, it is here. (http://s2.invisionfree.com/Order_ofthe_Seraphim/index.php?act=idx)

Just keep in mind that sometimes invisionfree is wonky though.

Indeed...it's wonkiness is only matched by our beloved NS board :roll:

Please stand by for a message from the Imperial Royal House of Eizen.

To the membership Of the Order of the Seraphim,

We have been contacted by the honourable nation of Vrak, and asked to examine the Order of the Seraphim, so that the Eternal Empire of Eizen may consider joining an illustrious organization.

Upon further review of this organization, it has been decided by the monarchs His Majesty Emperor Eizen II of Eizen, First Empress Milyssa Eizen of 1337 5p34k, and the Second Empress of Eizen Ashlay Eizen of Neon Simian, that all three nations of the Eizen Triumverate would petition to join this order.

We find the articles of the charter most acceptable, and Seraphim member nations will be granted access to the Edge of Space Trans Galactic Gate, which effective links our remote Edge of Space Region with that of the more populated regions.

Not only will our militaries bequeath soldiers but we also offer one of our finest Commanders. Star Marshal Anavel Fokker is perhaps Eizen's most celebrated military commander save for His Majesty.

Hopefully the members of this order will accept our petition and offers of goodwill.

Sincerely,
His Majesty of the Eternal Empire of Eizen
Emperor of the Eternal Empire of Eizen
Grand Duke of 1337 5p34k
Neonlord of Neon Simian
Eizen II

Her Majesty of the Imperial Duchy of 1337 5p34k
First Empress of Eizen, and Grand Duchess of 1337 5p34k
Milyssa Eizen

Her Majesty of the Neon Empire of Neon Simian
Second Empress of Eizen and Neonlady of Neon Simian
Ashlay Eizen

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ENCRYPTED - MAX - international route: Empire of Eizen - route complete
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To:

His Majesty of the Eternal Empire of Eizen
Emperor of the Eternal Empire of Eizen
Grand Duke of 1337 5p34k
Neonlord of Neon Simian
Eizen II

Her Majesty of the Imperial Duchy of 1337 5p34k
First Empress of Eizen, and Grand Duchess of 1337 5p34k
Milyssa Eizen

Her Majesty of the Neon Empire of Neon Simian
Second Empress of Eizen and Neonlady of Neon Simian
Ashlay Eizen

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We are most honoured that the His Majesty of the Eternal Empire of Eizen has consented to examine the Order of the Seraphim and petitioned to join. We shall immediately forward your petition to the Order members and promise that a decision shall be made shortly.


Signed,

Vrak - Diplomatic Affairs
Cherubim rank
Order of the Seraphim

OOC: Different folks are kind of spread out all over the globe so it might take at least a few hours for most to look at it. :)

OOC:

Thanks Vrak

and before I forget, We in the Imperial Eizen Triumverate are Future Tech nations, does this order accomodate for that?

OOC:

Thanks Vrak

and before I forget, We in the Imperial Eizen Triumverate are Future Tech nations, does this order accomodate for that?

OOC:

Oh, for sure. Most nations in the order are future tech. I'm one of the few that could be defined as "modern tech" although perhaps with a couple things I might even be pushing that envelope.

ooc: Eizen, please visit our forums (http://s2.invisionfree.com/Order_ofthe_Seraphim/index.php?act=idx) and post your intentions there too. Most of us keep a closer eye on that.

I am currently reviewing your nation for acceptance, as shall Praetor when he signs on later.

Is it just me or is the OoS board down?

OOC: No, it's down for me too.

May I apply to be accpeted in this order?

May I as well?

May I apply to be accpeted in this order?May I as well?Yeah, you can apply, but I can't guarentee you'll get accepted

ooc: We are currently experiencing technical difficulties, ie. the invisionfree boards that we were using unexplicable crashed for several days, and have just now been "fixed." Fixed being a relative term......... So, if you would please bear with us as we gather the shattered remnants of our freshly designed board and reassemble it. For the time being, you can post your desire to join the alliance in the following format - Why you want to join What compelling reason do you have for us to accept you A few examples of your RPing that you feel best represent your style

May I apply to be accpeted in this order?May I as well?Yeah, you can apply, but I can't guarentee you'll get accepted

Um.....and who might you be? Identify yourself.

please re-register everyone

Well now, two weeks after the debilitating invisionfree forum crash, we are finally back on our feet.

Anyone who is interested in joining can visit our forums (http://s2.invisionfree.com/Order_ofthe_Seraphim/index.php?) and post the prequisite information there.

This has been a shameless bump, and a postcount +1 operation

The Imperium may be interested in joining this organisation. What are your policies towards the UN in this group?

Hey Battlecrabs, hows things in SDNet?

For the most part Anti-UN, its one of the things that enticed the Eternal Empire to enroll in this prestigious organization.

We find the UN to be highly ineffectual, and generally scoff at its pitiful attempts to influence the world when it cannot even regulate itself.

ooc: We laugh at the UN, loudly, while pointing.

Good. The Imperium may not be very strong with regards to our military [only 270th in the world] but we do have top 10 Automobile and Uranium Mining industries, as well as 6th best Arms Manufacturing.

Are these attributes sufficient to join such a powerful organisation? Do we have a region?

Eizen - SN.net is doing fine, however, we are distressed that Ctan is more powerful militarially than ourselfs!

We welcome all those who are ready to embrace our ideals to the fullest extent. Faith is the first step towards greatness.

ooc: yes, apply at our forums (http://s2.invisionfree.com/Order_ofthe_Seraphim/index.php?act=Login&CODE=00)

Are these attributes sufficient to join such a powerful organisation? Do we have a region?

Yes they are more than sufficient, no there is no specific region.

As for Ctan they are Eizen's oldest Ally and they've been one of the strongest since they started playing, the old Eizen/Ctan Alliance literally owned SDnet for a while as nations fell to us with relative ease.

"The UN people wear funny little blue hats and tend to muck things up wherever they go."
"Indeed. Thank goodness for the Vat Laws."

[chuckling]

overheard at a cocktail party in the Royal Palace.

{{Bump}}

OOC: This particular "nation" is merely a diplomatic mouthpiece for the Order.

I would like to formally request that the Grand Dominion of Cspalla be added to your organization. For many years, our nation has resided upon the planet of Cspalla, ruling a small "interstellar empire" if you will. We are a member of the Orion Sector Alliance, and indeed I have been named its majority leader. However, I speak not now for all of them, just the Grand Dominion. We fully believe in the goals you have stated. Far too many anarchist nations, labeling themselves with titles like "democracy" allow citizens to run wild. We believe that certain controls must be enacted in order to ensure justice for all. However, many nations oppose this rule of law, and an alliance to protect the rights of those that now the right way to rule is a wonderful plan. As Grand Overlord, I pledge my nation's full support for this undertaking.

Sincerely,
Robert Fyre,
Grand Overlord of the Grand Dominion of Cspalla.

OOC-I'm posting this on the order fourms as well.

I would like to formally request that the Grand Dominion of Cspalla be added to your organization. For many years, our nation has resided upon the planet of Cspalla, ruling a small "interstellar empire" if you will. We are a member of the Orion Sector Alliance, and indeed I have been named its majority leader. However, I speak not now for all of them, just the Grand Dominion. We fully believe in the goals you have stated. Far too many anarchist nations, labeling themselves with titles like "democracy" allow citizens to run wild. We believe that certain controls must be enacted in order to ensure justice for all. However, many nations oppose this rule of law, and an alliance to protect the rights of those that now the right way to rule is a wonderful plan. As Grand Overlord, I pledge my nation's full support for this undertaking.

Sincerely,
Robert Fyre,
Grand Overlord of the Grand Dominion of Cspalla.

OOC-I'm posting this on the order fourms as well.

To: Robert Frye - Grand Overlord of the Grand Dominion of Cspalla.
From: The Order of the Seraphim Embassy

Thank you, Grand Overlord, for expressing interest in our organization. We want you to know that your application is being reviewed and we should be contacting you shortly. We apologize for the wait.

OOC: If you have a good RP sample that you can submit to Sketch (and it doesn't have to be necessarily NS based) that will help greatly.

OOC2: to anyone wondering about this "nation". As mentioned before, this is merely a diplomatic mouthpiece for the Order of the Seraphim. It can be controlled by the Diplomatic Affairs Office (hey, it's me, Vrak) and other senior staff. I'm putting this down because if someone is contacting Vrak they might wonder why they would get a telegram or answer from this account. So I do this to lessen the confusion (I hope :D ). Basically, this mouthpiece is a visible point of contact with the Order, but any member of the Order can be contacted in case you have questions or concerns. in other words, any contact with the Order does get to the right office and then is dealt with. Thanks everyone and happy roleplaying!

OO3: As well, I tried putting in "Order of the Seraphim Embassy" but the name was too long. Just FYI.

Welcome to the Order! Sketch Ok'ed your application in the Seraphim Forums.

Congratulations Cspalla! Welcome!

{{Bump to spread the Glory of the Order! As well, Merry Christmas!}}

Charter updated, new members added, amendments added

Thanks Sketch-man. 8)

5th amendment added

== Arise, oh yea lost thread and serve your masters, the Order ==

As well, a link for the Order forums (since the Charter is also there).

http://s2.invisionfree.com/Order_ofthe_Seraphim/index.php?act=idx

The mighty Imperium wishes to welcome all new allies to The Order. Together, we can forward the Order's sphere of influence until, one day, all are caught under our co-prosperity sphere.

The Great Eye will return to these parts soon.

bump for a living document

two new amendments and a few new members

Alterations made to reflect a change in membership.

"What is the Order's stance on Elves and other non-Human species?"

~Thelasi Diplomatic Core

"What is the Order's stance on Elves and other non-Human species?"

~Thelasi Diplomatic Core

To: Thelasi Diplomatic Core
From: The Order of the Seraphim Embassy

The Orde's stance on Elves and other non-Human species is one of indifference. So long as the principles of our cause is embraced sincerely and fully, your physical constitution is of no concern. Likewise, while certain member nations may have personal problems with diversity, member nations are strongly encouraged to be accepting of others.

As far as Order diversity goes, we are a body of many different species. The Walruses of Vrak and the Elves of Cspalla are just a few examples of the non-Humans involved.

Hopefully this has satisfactorily answered your query.

Bump

== Bump ==

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3051004#3051004

for your info.

OOC: I was looking for a URL and then decided to BUMP this.

Hurrah for the forum change! Boo for the resulting code wonkiness. Huzzah for the Order!

Hoorah! We may have a few inactives, and we may not get up all in-your-face constant-RP, but we're still around! And we're very, very heavily armed!

I would join this order, if you would let me.

OOC:

Please, please for anyone who is interested, submit some rps that you've been in that shows off your writing skills. It doesn't have to be just NS rps as well. Thank you.