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OOC:Im sorry that this is in II, but I belive that this is where it needs to be.


Okay people, is it just me or has the number of space nations in NS just boosted up? Now, I know that im a Half space nation, which is the way to do it if you ask me, that way you get the best of both worlds, but then again who ever listens to little ol' Crimson? I have just found it amusing that back when I started in April, there where like 3 Space nations. Now however, that number has gotten too big for me to count. (or maybe just too big for lazy me to keep track of). But anyways, I just wanted to know what you all thought of the rising number of space nations. I dont want to know all of your damn "I ignore space tehc becaus it noo good, and teh space is dum" I just want to have a civilized convrsation on the subject.

Well, Attican Empire itself is modern tech, but my puppet, Galactic Pirates, is just as it says, a space based pirate guild.

yes, there are approximentally 100 space nations, most of which are n00bs with cardboard ships.

I'm all for it though since I'm a space nation myself, and can't wait for some lil nation to declare war on me :)

yes, there are approximentally 100 space nations, most of which are n00bs with cardboard ships.

I'm all for it though since I'm a space nation myself, and can't wait for some lil nation to declare war on me :)

Yes, thats pretty much the only reason I partialy went to space. I boldly went where no n00b dare F--- with me!

You're right. A lot of n00bs have suddenly taken to putting all manner of tin foil and cardboard in orbit recently. One nation (who isn't terribly bad at roleplaying, just inexperienced) managed to go from no space assets to orbital shipyards to intrasystem spacecraft in 24 RL hours.

Even with NS Earth the size of Jupiter, I figure that the ambient light reaching the planet surface is reduced by close to 15% by the sheer quantities of orbital junk.

Who needs an ozone layer when there are tons of n00bs willing to block solar radiation with their cheesy, badly roleplayed spacecraft?

That's why I'm going to sirius. Nice an peaceful

I am a space nation. My fllet is not godmodding, cardboad, or tin foil. (atleast in my opinion) Wazzu has NOT ever called my ships cardboard. EVER! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahaha..... yeah.

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I made Xanthal a space nation (I skipped ahead about a millenia in a day) in July or August, just because I think space tech. is awesome. And it opens a lot of RP possibilities.

I detest space-tech, and for the sake of simplicity, blanket-ignore it.

I detest space-tech, and for the sake of simplicity, blanket-ignore it.

Don't worry, since I've heard so much about you, I ignore you, too.

One of my greatest satisfactions as moden-day Xanthal was betraying the Bisons and his allies to Pilot and his allies. That was sweet. And I got away with it without retribution, too. Good times...

Right now I'm earth based and mainly stick to RP's within region/allied regional forums. I've always wanted to get involved in space tech, but I'm too uninformed to do it justice. I've read some of the RP's but can't really get a good hook on some of the more technical things that people bring up...or what the different craft can do. Like some of you have stressed there are a lot of new nations that try to pull off the space tech and fail miserably; I refuse to be that person. However, I'm wondering if there's somewhere I can go to get a crash course where I can learn enough to school all of you in space....someday :wink:

I've been doing spacetech stuff for... over 4 months now. I have noticed a influx of n00bs... luckily my technology could dispatch a combination of 5 n00bs with little trouble at all.

OOC:Im sorry that this is in II, but I belive that this is where it needs to be.


Okay people, is it just me or has the number of space nations in NS just boosted up? Now, I know that im a Half space nation, which is the way to do it if you ask me, that way you get the best of both worlds, but then again who ever listens to little ol' Crimson? I have just found it amusing that back when I started in April, there where like 3 Space nations. Now however, that number has gotten too big for me to count. (or maybe just too big for lazy me to keep track of). But anyways, I just wanted to know what you all thought of the rising number of space nations. I dont want to know all of your damn "I ignore space tehc becaus it noo good, and teh space is dum" I just want to have a civilized convrsation on the subject.

April? Would you then remember Hephestus? I think he was gone before you got here, but I'm not quite sure.

Anyway, with Hephestus (who became a big space power really quick then disappeared), everyone ran to get fusion and nanotech and other such junk.

Then, in june/july, there was a large rush of new nations. A lot of them wanted to be stronger then the older players, so they made space nations.

For some reason, they thought that a few million (or even a couple hundread million) population could support space fleets hundreads or even thousands of ships large (each often being over a kilometer). Now that they are "large" (read, larger, but still only medium sized), they chastize the newer nations that do the same as they did. It is really sad.

But really, a ship is only as good as the resources placed into it...which is why I call a lot of those fleets cardboard.

I mean, which is better? 1 of 50 ships made by a 1.7 billion population nation? Or 1 in 500 ships made by a 600 million population nation? It isn't a hard question.

But n00bs will be n00bs.

So yea, a big change in NS. It probably started before your nation was created, but was only really noticed in june/july (maybe in may).

Bah, trying to play as modern techn AND future tech at the same time as the same nation would be nearly impossible for me, i don't get how that would work. I find it a LOT easier to just have a nation per tech level. Its more fun then, and you don't have to worry about elves with anti-matter missile firing gravships attacking people armed with swords and slingshots.

yeah, i mainly try to stay to all the NS planet based rp (even though i have only ever posted in 1 or 2).

I probably could have gone space tech ages ago if I wanted too, since I have seniority over all of you (Meant in the sence of ability rarther then bragging though) but I decided I was going to slowly role play the advancement into space (If you've bothered to notice) from the first space station orbiting NS Earth to the first intergalatic starship etc.

But in either case I think I'll go the same way Crimson has...half space and half planet (Probably Command&Conqure style planet tech).

But really as for the rest of NS, it's an arms race really...everyone has space tech so we need it too, same as everyone except the ultra-hippie greenpeace nations have nuclear arsenal (Although while my nation is supposed to be a leading nuclear superpower, I have something much better in store :wink: ).

And I agree, n00bs are n00bs, the best n00bs in my opinion are the ones who sit down, shut up, and work quitely out of sight without making a idiot of themselfs, our problem comes from all the n00bs who go for 3rd world country to global superpower in 24hr, or simply try and go overboard and incure the waith of every nation out there.

Possibly the next problem isn't that n00bs build the space tech themselfs, people practially give it too them, take Evopia, within 48hr he had aquired a space station, billions if not trillions in internation funding, and now beleives it to be his greatest military asset, and bound to use it to extreme leanghs in every forthcoming RP.

Perhaps we need to lay down some ground rules about what new nations can and can't do (Should be a cluase forbidding the use of space tech until there at least 1 month old, along with a huge list of other things...)

I'm mainly in space because I like to tinker. I've half a mind start a new nation just to sell my toys(it wouldn't do to be selling the same tech we use to deffend our borders ;) )

And Jace, really, you can't expect to impose rules on a freeform RP board, especially one with this large a community. And the age restriction is silly; some of the better RPers I've seen here started as space nations.

Besides, I've seen older nations behaving as n00bs, not just the newbies; it's just that the young nations aren't as tollerated, and most n00bs vanish under the unrelenting fire they draw from others, so older nation 'n00b's aren't as common.

What should be done, if anything, if for someone to write a Space FAQ.

Kanuckistan wrote:

What should be done, if anything, if for someone to write a Space FAQ.

Yep. I second that. It would be most helpful.

Pluto- thank you. If only Ma-tek, Menelmacar, and the few other space countries who dont ignore me finally did, it would be much simpler.

Xanthal- Actually it was fik (more or less "dealt with"), unless it was both of you.

He betrayed you too? We have more in common than I thought... Looks like you were double-crossed by both of us. Ouch.

He betrayed you too? We have more in common than I thought... Looks like you were double-crossed by both of us. Ouch.
Fik had access to the forum, but the threat of nuclear annihalation put him back into line. In case youre wondring, Im on good terms with him [and his gaggle of puppets].

I'll bet it did. Nukes have that effect. Well, I'm surprised; and pleased. Apparently he drew so much focus that I was able to slip away.

I'll bet it did. Nukes have that effect. Well, I'm surprised; and pleased. Apparently he drew so much focus that I was able to slip away.You didnt really have access to iimprotant information, so your contribution was also minimal.
BTW< I did carpetnuke the country who posted the info on the forums.

I had access to the names of the participants, their targets, their forces, and their attack times. I gave all that to Pilot. I'm sure I missed some stuff, but I got a lot of it.

I had access to the names of the participants, their targets, their forces, and their attack times. I gave all that to Pilot. I'm sure I missed some stuff, but I got a lot of it.You missed the vast majority of it, they didnt even mention you. And you had outdated information anyway, so you might as well have been helping us. THe attack was postponed for a week so that Bajon could help, among other things.

What should be done, if anything, if for someone to write a Space FAQ.

Then perhaps you people should get working on a list of things to address.

:lol: Hmm so should i hurry up and build a huge space fleet and stations?
As is now i don't have more than 20 or less small ships. And then despite Blademasters kindness i'll declare war? :lol:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1961668#1961668
HAHAHA thanx 4 the ideeas

:lol: Hmm so should i hurry up and build a huge space fleet and stations?
As is now i don't have more than 20 or less small ships. And then despite Blademasters kindness i'll declare war? :lol:

I am hoping your just being witty....

I remember when there were the good ole' space nations that were ignored. All two of them, my good enemy The Sean Empire and Laithia who quit. Now we have 29384739 guys with toaster ovens and flashlights that they call beam weapons, and somehow, all the planets they inhabit have oxygen for the people to breath! Its amazingly lucky isnt it? My opinion, the general quality of NationStates role playing and all around in general, has severly decreased, causing me to quit for over 2 months. Space nation, well, I don't mind them, I just can't get into conflicts with them is all. I enjoy good ole conventional warfare and my home earth.

-Joseph Stalin

Ofcorse i'm atleast trying to be witty :D , i would'nt do something as stupid. The RP with Blademasters is going well, and ICwise i can't do much against him or anyone..

I would also like to add that people constantly take things personally when I'm trying to RP with them. I will shout and insult at their leader, and they get all pissy like I was insulting them. Most people can not determine the differnece between IC and OOC.. Its sad.

-Joseph Stalin

trousrs you got msn ?

What if the gdns start in space? Throw off the yoke of an oppressive 0ldy and have a bunch of stuff left over? You know what I mean, I'm not very eloquent.

I am a Earth nation, but to keep up with development, I have three space fleets, two stations (small) two docking bays and an orbital shipyard-not much really.

I would also like to add that people constantly take things personally when I'm trying to RP with them. I will shout and insult at their leader, and they get all pissy like I was insulting them. Most people can not determine the differnece between IC and OOC.. Its sad.

-Joseph Stalin

You get that too huh?, I suppose they then go and blow things out of proportion as well?.

Jace: that wouldn't be a dig at me would it ;)



As for space tech nations particularly new ones i persoanlly see no problems with them having the basic tech (the same as how new modern nations are of course going to know all about firearms/ internal comustion/ radios etc) it ow they use that tech. I would say it would be reasonable for them to have some sort of defensive force (converted merchant men/pirates or something).
The best alagory i can think of is earth in David Brin's Uplift trilogies basically all the access to the tech but no real way to afford anything more than some old rust buckets (of course the whole seige at the end ie earth an 1 or 2 semi large allies vs all the mega players in the universe has become rather common...).

I had access to the names of the participants, their targets, their forces, and their attack times. I gave all that to Pilot. I'm sure I missed some stuff, but I got a lot of it.You missed the vast majority of it, they didnt even mention you. And you had outdated information anyway, so you might as well have been helping us. THe attack was postponed for a week so that Bajon could help, among other things.Well, your gain then. It's ancient history now.

I've always wanted to get involved in space tech, but I'm too uninformed to do it justice. I've read some of the RP's but can't really get a good hook on some of the more technical things that people bring up...or what the different craft can do. Like some of you have stressed there are a lot of new nations that try to pull off the space tech and fail miserably; I refuse to be that person. However, I'm wondering if there's somewhere I can go to get a crash course where I can learn enough to school all of you in space....someday :wink:

Here's a start, assuming that you're planning on using real-world physics and more-or-less modern technology.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68977&highlight=

There are lots of good threads with spacetech roleplaying. Find a couple of them and make note of the more knowledgeable players. Ask them specific questions via TG.

The most important part of the decision to go spacetech is to decide what sort of spacetech you're using. Most people go the easy route and use Star Trek or Star Wars, since they have detailed specifications and history behind 'em.

Sadly, far too few players seem to realize that (from the Star Trek point of view) Earth (population 8 billion) does not have a fleet of starships- the Federation (population almost 1 trillion) does. The Federation only has 12 capital ships, at that. Knowing that, it's sort of pathetic to read about some n00b with a population of 25 million claiming to have scores of space battleships built with Star Trek technology.

Why would any single planet need more than 1 Star Wars-style Star Destroyer? Or even one? A few small craft with the space normally devoted to stardrive instead given over to weapons and shields would be far more cost effective- both militarily and economically. One or two small star-drive capable ships for patrol work and the rare offensive action would be far more likely for any single planet.

As for the Evil Overlord, EOE has one space warship, which has ben used exactly once. Evil Overlord Enterprises has two orbital stations (the free-trade station Heinlein at Lagrange 1 and an orbital manufacturing facility in geosynchronous orbit. There are several dozen reaction-drive Orbital Insertion Vehicles (Single-Stage-To-Orbit launch vehicles), fifteen Orbital Maneuvering Vehicles (for carying supplies/personnel to and from Heinlein), and three Deep Space Vehicles (for exploration) which are rarely out of cislunar space. Add in the usual crowd of satellites for a variety of purposes, and that's it. Yet EOE has been in space since April.

I've restricted myself to modern space technology, mainly because I can justify what I'm using with real-world examples. It's too easy (IMO) to "justify" the most outrageous ubertech from science fiction because it appeared in a short story or was implied in a movie, and this leads to prolonged arguments that lead nowhere and disrupt everything around them.

Some players have managed to avoid this trap, but too many n00bs- most of whom wouldn't recognize roleplaying if it jumped up and bit them in the ass- go absolutely nuts and God-Mode until IGNORED to smithereens. Afterwards, they write badly misspelled ranting posts about how this game sucks until the Mods ban them or they quit playing on their own.

Which brings us back- at long last- to the original topic of this thread:

My, there sure seem to be a lot of cardboard and tinfoil spacecraft in the sky these days.

Jace: that wouldn't be a dig at me would it ;)

Lets just say your not the first :wink:

trousrs you got msn ?

Nope, you talk to me on AIM remember?

trousrs you got msn ?

Nope, you talk to me on AIM remember?

my aim screwed up

I would also like to add that people constantly take things personally when I'm trying to RP with them. I will shout and insult at their leader, and they get all pissy like I was insulting them. Most people can not determine the differnece between IC and OOC.. Its sad.

-Joseph Stalin

You get that too huh?, I suppose they then go and blow things out of proportion as well?.

That they do. I've basically given up on RP, I do it though on occasion.

trousrs you got msn ?

Nope, you talk to me on AIM remember?

my aim screwed up

Oh..

Well my email is blinkingcarousel@yahoo.com, I can't download MSN because this isn't my computer, mine crapped out and I'm working on fixing it. My friend went on vacation so I got to borrow his laptop.

The Federation only has 12 capital ships, at that.

*blinks* What ever gave you that impression? Are you only counting Sovvies or something?

well allthought i really want to do space tech with my own fleet i relise my population and economy are far to low/bad to support space tech, so i'm going to slowly build my way up untill i think it would be possible for my nation to launch a satelite or station.

The Federation only has 12 capital ships, at that.

*blinks* What ever gave you that impression? Are you only counting Sovvies or something?

USAF Pilot aboard Enterprise "This is quite a ship you have here."

Kirk "There are only 12 like it in the Fleet"

The Federation only has 12 capital ships, at that.

*blinks* What ever gave you that impression? Are you only counting Sovvies or something?

USAF Pilot aboard Enterprise "This is quite a ship you have here."

Kirk "There are only 12 like it in the Fleet"

Then it's a matter of if you follow TOS or TNG Trek...

And personally there may have been more ships in the TOS Federation then that, Kirk only said there where 12 ships like Enterprise, not that 12 was the entire contence of there fleet...

So there are only 12 ships of that class in the fleet during the TOS timeline; during the Dominion War in DS9 they had fleets of hundreds.

[And personally there may have been more ships in the TOS Federation then that, Kirk only said there where 12 ships like Enterprise, not that 12 was the entire contence of there fleet...

The last time I looked, a Capital Ship was a ship-of-the-line- a dedicated warship of larger-than-usual size and possessing massive firepower. Enterprise, in the Star Trek universe, certainly qualifies. So, if there were only 12 Enterprise-type vessels in Starfleet, that means that there were only 12 capital ships.

This nit-picking is completely adrift from the point of my post- no single nation of (at most) 2 billion people is going to have dozens of massive starships littering the skies. No single nation would even need that many ships. Yet there are scads of nations claiming to have just that.

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"What the hell was that?"

"Logic train. All them folks with huge starfleets seem to have missed it."

In that case, the Federation has no capital ships, because they're all designed with science and exploration as their primary job :roll:

And, frankly, you're using stuff someone made up to justify your critisism; this stuff varries radicly from universe to universe, and is all extreamly subjective.


Besides, some people like RPing large fleet actions, and this is a freeform RP arena, so they don't even have to stick to the data about their NS nation if they want to, even if almost all do. People can RP what they want, and that's probally one of the things that makes this place so atractive.

I dont care for the whole space thing, i am launching a space program, but it is modern tech, with capsules and experimental rockets.

This nit-picking is completely adrift from the point of my post- no single nation of (at most) 2 billion people is going to have dozens of massive starships littering the skies. No single nation would even need that many ships. Yet there are scads of nations claiming to have just that.

Well, considering those ships are only a few hundred meters long and only have a crew of a few thousand at most, I could understand someone have a handful of them...

Basically, it falls into the same catogory as a modern navy battleship, which some people have hundreds of...myself being one (Hugs uber military GDP).

I feel it is more the people that build entire fleets of Star Destroyer sized ships you need to worry about.

Here's a start, assuming that you're planning on using real-world physics and more-or-less modern technology.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68977&highlight=



Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain this stuff to me. Much appreciated! :wink:

am i a n00b?

I couldnt do space tech since I dont have a clue about it.