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Ambassador Jade Purrlinda
The Free Land of Slagkattungerhttp://www.nationstates.net/images/un_member.gif
Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed.
Email:- Slagkattunger@hotmail.com
Slagkattunger Nation Profile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78165)
My Nations GDP (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Slagkattunger)
Covered by DRI (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83705)

"After years of official military policy of not using large armored vehicles in the military, a change in thinking was required after observing conflicts between other nations. It became evident that although tanks are environmentally damaging, the threat of application of surperior firepower to a target was a effective deterant to potential hostiles.

As a result of this new thinking a design team was formed to develop the first tank for Slagkattunger, they had to consider several points in the design It had to do minimal damage to the environment when moving. It had to be agile enough to pass through the great trees in the forests of Slagkattunger without hitting the trunks of the trees. It had to be capable of traversing the rough terrain in the hills and mountains of Slagkattunger. It had to be able carry enough armor to withstand a direct hit from at least two anti-tank rounds. it had to carry weapons to deal with the following[list=a:88b7141ded] Another tank Infantry Cose support aircraft like helecoptors and VTOL's It had to carry an advance sensor array It had to be able to conceal it's own electronic and heat signiture It had to be able to move across open space rapidly It had to be able to be submerged for a set period of time It had to be able to be upgradable It was also required to be repairable in the field[/list:o:88b7141ded]

This was the initial design requirements they were warned, the military might come up with more requirements at a latter stage. The Slagkattunger military did not want multipule specialised tanks like some of the nations they had seen.

After a few years the design team came up with a basic design based on an insect found in the rainforest of Slagkattunger. The following image is the prototype design they came up with, the finished tank will have the same appearance but with the features required incorporated into it."

Slagkattunger Battle Tank (S.B.T.)
http://www.users.on.net/killerkoala/spider.JPG

<<<<<<<<Stat's classified at the momment>>>>>>>>>>>>
Technology Required:-
Technology for the legs has been provided ~ Thanks Sakkra
Armor has been provided ~ Thanks for the Nogra - V4 Armor Gradenk
Drive System (Engine)
Main gun
Anti-personnel guns has been provided ~ Thanks Cyberutopia for the HAPBFC Version 5 minigun
Mini Anti-Air Missiles ~ Developed by Slagkattunger.
Sensor Array package
Sensor Concealment package
Environmental system (ie:-Air scrubbers, etc)

"We are aware that there are many nations out there with the technology necessary to meet these requirements. So we are asking interested parties to summit the technology they can supply to help with this development. Successful applicants will recieve a copy of the blueprints for the finished product incorporating their technology."

OOC:- Ok please post what tech you think will help make this tank work.

http://home.earthlink.net/~peterpank/minebeetle.JPG

We are not certain if this will be of assist, but our mining drones are based on our resin beetles. Perhaps the technology behind workable insect legs may help?

Slagkattunger. We would like to help in your endeavour and apply for a limited manufacturing license. Corporation would be set up in our nation and the board of directors would be 60-40( Gradenk- Sakkran )

We're constantly looking for good products to add to our inventory.


We hope a memorandum be signed soon regarding this new machine. With this signing, Gradenk would also sign a permanent non aggresion treaty with you.

<snip>We are not certain if this will be of assist, but our mining drones are based on our resin beetles. Perhaps the technology behind workable insect legs may help?

"We have several ideas on the floor at the momment on the legs development, we would appriciate your input on it as you already have a similar design."

ooc:- In other words..yes. Nice picture did you make it?

Slagkattunger. We would like to help in your endeavour and apply for a limited manufacturing license. Corporation would be set up in our nation and the board of directors would be 60-40( Gradenk- Sakkran )

We're constantly looking for good products to add to our inventory.

We hope a memorandum be signed soon regarding this new machine. With this signing, Gradenk would also sign a permanent non aggresion treaty with you.

"Gradenk if you provide a successful technology that we can use in our design then you would recieve the blueprints, this is the only way to get the blueprints. We would prefer that these are not mass produced for the international market as they may fall into the hands of nations that are hostile towards us.

Also unless something changes the situation, we consider ourselves to be friendly & non-aggressive towards all nations."

OOC: Indeed I did. I make all my own stuff.

IC: I will send you a secure communique with details on the unit.

Oh I mean only for use in my own military but perhaps this tech would be good. I first developed it in the NOble Kings Space Mission ( I think the Thread is deleted )


Ic:

The Gradenk Nogra V-6 Material is a specially constructed composite, made out of titanium, interwoven with ceramic, silicons and platinums. The molecule structure is such that it could withstand a direct nuclear blast (slightly higher than the combined nuclear yield used in WW2 against Japan ).

The nogra V6 is primarily used for space due to it's ability to withstand radiation and other harmful rays. ) It can also withstand electromagnetic waves and other waves. ( provides comfortable protection to ships content from being scanned . )

More developments are on the way to improve the Nogra V6.

The Nogra V6 is undoubtedly not suitable to your mech. Thus we have other more suitable tech. We believe that the Nogra V-4 Tank armour would be suitable as it's light weight, Slightly Lighter than Titanium but not by much. It can withstand a direct burst (in point blank range ) of upto 160mm Cannons and upto 65 mm machine gun fire. Developments are in the way to install other protective features like Aero-Gel packs to help absorp the impact of such force.


Please comment.

Interesting. Perhaps we can all come to some manner of arrangement that may be benificial to all involved.

For the legs, we have wired our reccomendation to you, Slagkattunger. However, we are willing to lend the design of our Chunk Projecter to you for your main cannons. Of course, they will be increased in bore size and length, but thus far we have seen them in use, and the results were satisfactory.

Gradenk would be ready to send it's engineers to design the above said tech but the tech must only be used only by both of you and not be made available to anyone...even if it's your ally.

We hope that our proposal would be considered as we too are looking for a good Mech .

((Awesome pic, Sakkra, BTW.))

Communique from the Resistiance to Restore Democracy in Cyberutopia

We would be glad to assist those of Slagkattunger in the creation of their tank. We believe that our HAPBFC v.5 minigun would be well suited to anti-personnel needs. We can also provide guidance and assistance to your engineers to help them develop an armor that suits your needs.

The Heavy Armor Piercing Belt Fed Cannon Version 5:

http://www.m-m.person.dk/images/minigun.jpg

<snip> We believe that the Nogra V-4 Tank armour would be suitable as it's light weight, Slightly Lighter than Titanium but not by much. It can withstand a direct burst (in point blank range ) of upto 160mm Cannons and upto 65 mm machine gun fire. Developments are in the way to install other protective features like Aero-Gel packs to help absorp the impact of such force.

"Interesting Gradenk...we are also very interested in the possible upgrades for the Norgra V-4. Of course we have to wait for other possible tenders for the armor...but be assured that you will be up near the top finialist."

ooc:- My computer down (this is my bros) so the final decision won't be for at least 4 RL days..or until my computer is fixed which ever takes the longest. :?

<snip>However, we are willing to lend the design of our Chunk Projecter to you for your main cannons. Of course, they will be increased in bore size and length, but thus far we have seen them in use, and the results were satisfactory.

"If you would please provide some more information on this 'Chunck Projecter' we will consider it."

<snip>We believe that our HAPBFC v.5 minigun would be well suited to anti-personnel needs.

"That looks interesting...can the 2 minigun barrels be redesigned to be seperate for example on either side of the main gun? Plus how much ammunition would be necessary to provide 2 minutes of constant fire?"

Yes, the gun can be refitted anyway you please. At 10,000 rounds per minute, you would require 20,000 rounds to provide 2 minutes of fire. Also, we would like to put in a good report for the Chunk Projectors. They are very reliable cannons that we used for a long time.

Yes, the gun can be refitted anyway you please. At 10,000 rounds per minute, you would require 20,000 rounds to provide 2 minutes of fire. Also, we would like to put in a good report for the Chunk Projectors. They are very reliable cannons that we used for a long time.

"How heavy would 20,000 rounds weigh? and is that for 1 minigun or for both?"

ooc:- Also is 2 minutes long enough I wonder? since most people use them in bursts.

That would be for one minigun. So, 40,000 rounds in total. I'm not sure how much that would weigh. What caliber of bullets to miniguns often use, and how much to those bullets weigh, if you know? I'll make a rough estimate at 10,000 pounds.

we have an expendable workforce.

we have an expendable workforce.

"We have no need of a workforce from your nation, we are disturbed by the fact that you consider them expendable."

ooc:-......pounds? Um I work in Kilograms, Ok we gotta work out how much 1 round weighs & multiply it by 40,000 hmmmmmmm....

We can give you the Large Plasma Cannon, the Plasma Miniguns, the armor, the drive system, and the plasma batteries from our Metal Slug.

Metal Slug Super Vehicle 002
http://invisionfree.com/forums/Corporate_Islands/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=308
Designation: Combat
Environment: Land
Armor Thickness: 1 in (titanium and smart steel)
Size: 11 ft x 7 ft x 7 ft
Armaments: Two (2) Plasma Miniguns, One (1) large Shell Cannon, and One (1) Large Plasma Cannon
Top Speed: 80 mph
Max. Troop Compacity: 1 (pilot)
Specs: After the design of the prototype Metal Slug (Super Vehicle 001) proved successful, more funding was diverted to give the one-man tank the plasma technology that is the trademark of the Resi Corporation. The second version of the Metal Slug proved to not only be more versatile than the last, but also much more powerful. A Metal Slug can easiliy destroy multiple regular tanks, especially with its upgraded weaponry.
Cost: $10,000,000 each

Well, I estimate a round would weigh 1/4 pound, so in kilos, that'd be 4,535 kg.

Update:

The Nogra V-6 Material has an now additional feature. The promised Aero-Gell feature (OOC: Due recognition to be given to Sakra for suggesting this feature which is much better than what I initially suggested )
has been integrated with the Nogra V-4 material. The material now have better shock absorption ability.

Any features requested by Slagkattunger would be implemented if it's feasible.

Sincerely,

Shantosh Kumar,
Director,
Gradenk Defense Initiative : Special Projects Division,
Empire of Gradenk.

Well, I estimate a round would weigh 1/4 pound, so in kilos, that'd be 4,535 kg.

ooc:-Lets see...a 20mm round used by a vulcan minigun weighs 101gms, 40,000 weighs 4,040 Kg's or just over 4 tons not including the belt. So I say that you guess of 4,535 kg would be Ok...round it up to 4,550 kg to include the lightweight belt...Sounds ok (so it should pass the number crunchers)..does it sound ok to you (what caliber are the rounds?).

<Sniped like crazy>We can give you the plasma batteries.

"We are farmilier with the batteries, so all we have to ask is how long & how powerful they are for the record."

ooc:- No plasma weapons due to the environmental concerns (Plasma is a fire starter) but details on how the plasma batteries work so inquires can be delt with would be nice.

ooc:- Ok Grandenk I'll go with your armor...could you repost a clean & detail statistics of the armor.

Well, a .50 caliber round is usually used. We have an extremely advanced bullet that we could give you the plans for, if you wish.

The Gradenk Nogra V-6 Material is a specially constructed composite, made out of titanium, interwoven with ceramic, silicons and platinums. The molecule structure is such that it could withstand a direct nuclear blast (slightly higher than the combined nuclear yield used in WW2 against Japan ).


Nogra - V4 Armour.
- Nuclear, chemical and biological Protection.
- EMP shielding
- light weight ( compared to larger tanks like M1A2 or other powerful variants )
- It can withstand a direct burst (in point blank range ) of upto 160mm Cannons and upto 65 mm machine gun fire.
- Aero-Gel packs to help absorp the impact of such force.


If you need anything, Do tell me.

Well, a .50 caliber round is usually used. We have an extremely advanced bullet that we could give you the plans for, if you wish.

".50 caliber is fine as we can make them eaisly enough."

ooc:- Thanks Gradenk.

Stats for Chunk Projecter Mark II...
Length: 66 inches
Weight: 110 lbs when loaded. 75 lbs otherwise.
Bore diameter: 90mm
Targetting system: Laser-targetting and distancing system ensures accuracy for 3500 meters.
Maximum effective range: 4500 meters
Magazine capacity: 12 rounds.
Rates of fire:
Maximum: 30 rounds per minute
Sustained: 15 rounds per minute
Standard ammo is either armor-piercing rounds, or our own special anti-personnel rounds. These rounds are shaped-charge shrapnel rounds with hundreds of copper bearings and steel fletchettes in each shell.


This is our man-portable version. A 135mm tank version is being looked into at this moment.

ooc:- Well the gun will have a short barrel (as in picture) since it has to manuver in forest's. Modern tanks guns have too long a barrel to be used effectively in the forest (trunks get in the way)

"We have managed to develop a Mini Missile System for the tank we are developing."

Slagkattunger Surface to Air Micro-Missile
http://www.users.on.net/killerkoala/SAMM.JPG
Range:- 10 Kilometers
Missile Speed:- 1645 Kmph
Warhead:- High Explosive
Blast Radius:- 1.2 meters
Tracking System:- Infra Red seeking
Notes:- Main targets are Helecoptors, other VTOL's & low flying Aircraft.


ooc:- What stats should I provide for these? Edit:- Hows this?

OOC: Burn time, air speed, what manner of warhead and its effect, what manner of guidance if any. The regular.

OOC: Burn time, air speed, what manner of warhead and its effect, what manner of guidance if any. The regular.

ooc:- Updated....hey Sakkra you going to post that gun? or should I go for it? Would a sonic weapon be viable?

Wouldn't that severely damage the forests?

Wouldn't that severely damage the forests?

ooc:- Not if it's focused....but I think it wouldn't be viable now that I think about it...Its effective range would be limited.

OOC: A sonic weapon could be viable, if you didn't care for your environment. We assume you do though. Sonics will rupture ears and destroy woodlands in a wide swath. Rupturing trees and such. But here is the cannon.

Length: 72 inches
Bore diameter: 135mm
Targetting system: Laser-targetting and distancing system ensures accuracy for 5000 meters.
Maximum effective range: 6000 meters
Magazine capacity: 24 rounds. Requires 30 seconds to replace maganize and chamber a shell.
Rates of fire:
Maximum: 30 rounds per minute
Sustained: 15 rounds per minute
Standard ammo is either armor-piercing rounds, or our own special anti-personnel rounds. These rounds are shaped-charge shrapnel rounds with hundreds of copper bearings and steel fletchettes in each shell. Effective radius of these rounds is 30 meters.

ooc:- Barrel too long Sakkra...it would get caught/ jammed in trees, barrel length needs to be at Max 70 cms.

ooc:- I'm thinking of rocket propelled shells (I think its called copperhead) that are either air launched or electromagnetically launched before engaging the rocket to fly to the target. And maybe using cryogenic technology to make armor peicing "cold" shells using compressed/ preasurised liquid helium (or something like it). The Idea is the shell will penetrate a target and the sudden stop causing a pin/ explosive charge to break the containment of the cryogenic liquid. Which would explode/splash causing damage to the target around the shell, I know that it can render steel brittle & destroy flesh.

Do you think this is a viable idea? (I've kinda set my heart on it) if so I think I'll go with it.

wouldn't it be better if it did maximum damage while moving? Also those spider legs are just looking for mechanical problems, and the hydraulics are exposed.

[Moderator Edit - Cogitation] 3 duplicate posts deleted. [/modedit]

OOC: Those ideas sound interesting. Go ahead and run with it if that's your inclination. Just watch out for misfires and missed shots. Cold kills plantlife just as dead as fire.

OOC: Those ideas sound interesting. Go ahead and run with it if that's your inclination. Just watch out for misfires and missed shots. Cold kills plantlife just as dead as fire.

ooc:- But it wouldn't start a bushfire would it. A few dead plants is better than an entire rainforest in summer being destroyed by fire.

ooc:- Dyelli Beybi I'm going to have the mods remove those extra posts, I understand that it's not your fault so don't worry. And to answer your queations...wouldn't it be better if it did maximum damage while moving?
Could you express this question more clearly please.

Also those spider legs are just looking for mechanical problems
They proberly have less faults & problems than tracks of normal tanks, Plus they won't tear up the Rainforest floor as bad as tracks.

Sorry bout the multiple posts, I did try to delete them but kept getting errors. The legs would be all having to move in synchronisation plus they wouldn't give the surface area tracks do so would have a tendency to sink into stuff and have trouble getting out. I can't remember exactly what the value in pounds per square inch is before which stuff starts sinking, but I have a sneaking suspicion the spider tank might be looking at exceding it.

What I meant by my other question was why not fit it with gyrostabilisers and computer assisted sights compensating for wind, movement of target etc? All this stuff already exists in the real world and means you can trundle around at high speeds without any major loss of accuracy

The tech for the synchronized movements of the legs that we have shared with Slagkattunger has gyroscopic stabilizers, and an onboard computer for reading the terrain at ground level for 50' surrounding the tank, and adjusts accordingly.

OOC: What is the profile of that spider tank? The bulbous "head" is just looking to get loped off.

(OOC) The feet are too small!

OOC: What is the profile of that spider tank? The bulbous "head" is just looking to get loped off.

ooc:- It's mainly a forest/ urban "tank" as such it's head needs to be clear of the ground to avoid low level debris (ie trunks of fallen trees or toppled housing). And as to being "lopped off....well that requires a bit of effort, just like destroying any other tank.

(OOC) The feet are too small!
ooc:- May I suggest a closer examination of bettles, ants, humans, elephants etc. for their size their feet are small but they don't sink into the ground much. There is even a bettle that walks across water instead of swiming/ sinking. Let's just suspend a little belief & assume that it works...just like other nations with anti-gravity & other things for the benifit of RPing Hmmmm.

ooc:- Ok hows this ppl?

Main Gun (The Basics)
Fires the Cold Shell by using an electromagnetic launch system powered by the tanks engine system, incorporating technology developed during research into the space elevator and from the Slagkattungerian monorail system.
Length: 65 cm
Bore diameter: 130 mm
Targetting system: Laser-targeting and distancing system ensures accuracy for 6000 meters.
Maximum effective range: 10,000 meters
Magazine capacity: 40
Rates of fire:
Maximum: 4 rounds per minute

Cold Shell (The basics)
Made possible as a result of research into Micro-Missiles and cryogenics this shell is really a laser-guided missile. Once launched by the main gun the shell engages a rocket engine to fly to the target, homming onto the target painted by a laser targeting system. This also means the tank doesn't have to "see" the target if a soldier has painted the target with a laser.
The missile uses cryogenic technology, inside the missile is compressed/ preasurised liquid helium (ooc:- or something like it) in a sealed cylinder. When the shell penetrate a target and the sudden stop causing a pin/ explosive charge to break the containment of the cryogenic liquid. Which explode/splash causing damage to the target around the shell, it is known that liquid helium it can render steel brittle & destroy flesh.

ooc:- Based on the copperhead missile used by the USA.

(OOC) The feet are too small!
ooc:- May I suggest a closer examination of bettles, ants, humans, elephants etc. for their size their feet are small but they don't sink into the ground much. There is even a bettle that walks across water instead of swiming/ sinking. Let's just suspend a little belief & assume that it works...just like other nations with anti-gravity & other things for the benifit of RPing Hmmmm.

Well you see Humans etc are made of organic stuff which is light. Tanks are made of metal which is heavy. Its the same reason birds fly and ornithopters don't.

ooc:- This thread is closed. (I've found a design I like better)

Go here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91111) if you want to see it.