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Due to recent activities of aggresion by the Kechan Red Party(KRP), Communism is now TOTALLY OUTLAWED within the domain of the H.E.K. the practice of Communism is a Corporal Offense, that can get you 5-to-15 years in prison, promoting Communism is a Corporal Offense punishable by 10-to-20 years in prison, forcing others to conform to Communism is a Capital Offense, punishable by either 40-to-life, or the Death Penalty, also, for those thinking it's OK to sweat out a prison sentence, Kecha only puts the hardest criminals in it's jails, most are rehabilitated, so you'll be locked in with some hard cases if jailed.

Comments anyone?

Premier Nikolai Ivonovich has made an official statement reguarding the banning of Communism in Kecha:

"Your ignorance in politics never ceases to amaze, comrade. Perhaps next time you sould ban capitalistic parties as well, and simply allow your citizens the 'freedom' to vote for Big Brother? Haha, oh, wait!"

Premier Nikolai Ivonovich has made an official statement reguarding the banning of Communism in Kecha:

"Your ignorance in politics never ceases to amaze, comrade. Perhaps next time you sould ban capitalistic parties as well, and simply allow your citizens the 'freedom' to vote for Big Brother?" Freedom? Communism is alot of things, the word "Straight-up Bullsh*t" would seem to leap to my tongue, but it is not freedom.

And Demcrats, rebublicians, anarchists, Monarchists, Imperals and many others across the board cheer.

Queen Seria

OOC: kicks back and watches everything start to crumble.

OOC: kicks back and watches everything start to crumble. OOC: Well, I see what kind of person YOU are! :wink:

I need not quote your "response," as doing so would further credit it.

*The Premier steps up to his phone yet again*
I do not believe a nation's leader could be so ignorant. I would venture to say a corrupt dictatorship such as your own has no room to speak on freedom, however I will humor you.
As it stands, you have a politically oppressed, socially unequal population with no say in their own government. A communist uprising would do you some good, as banning such a large group of activists very well could lead to. Why? Because even in the event of it being "bullsh*t" as you so elequently stated, it would bring a greater degree of equality and voice to the people of your nation. Your economy would be far less "output," true, but it would better suit the needs of your starving masses. Perhaps the transition to this people's rule would occur through a violent uprising against you and your current cabinet, but seeing the situation, that wouldn't *ahem* hurt my feelings.

I need not quote your "response," as doing so would further credit it.

*The Premier steps up to his phone yet again*
I do not believe a nation's leader could be so ignorant. I would venture to say a corrupt dictatorship such as your own has no room to speak on freedom, however I will humor you.
As it stands, you have a politically oppressed, socially unequal population with no say in their own government. A communist uprising would do you some good, as banning such a large group of activists very well could lead to. Why? Because even in the event of it being "bullsh*t" as you so elequently stated, it would bring a greater degree of equality and voice to the people of your nation. Your economy would be far less "output," true, but it would better suit the needs of your starving masses. Perhaps the transition to this people's rule would occur through a violent uprising against you and your current cabinet, but seeing the situation, that wouldn't *ahem* hurt my feelings. We don't actually have alot of Communists, or alot of starving masses now that I think on it.

Funny thing, some of the happiest people in the world are in Monarchies.

Funny thing, some of the happiest people in the world are in Monarchies. This is so, it's so funny that I just......won't laugh, I'm to tired.

As well, some of the most oppressed are. Just as one cannot judge a monarchy by its title, one cannot judge all communists by the iniquities of a few.

And Ketcha, you may believe yourself not to have many, but unless you personally torture every citizen of your large nation to extract their political view, I would suggest not making generalizations. An underground is far less vocal about their position, but no less active.

As well, some of the most oppressed are. Just as one cannot judge a monarchy by its title, one cannot judge all communists by the iniquities of a few.

And Ketcha, you may believe yourself not to have many, but unless you personally torture every citizen of your large nation to extract their political view, I would suggest not making generalizations. An underground is far less vocal about their position, but no less active. The only people who trouble us now are the Catholics, the Communists tried once to revolt, and we crushed them, so they're pretty well down and out, and it's not Ketcha, it's Kecha, say it with me KECHA.

We would be interested to see what your definition of Communism is. I fear this is another case of post cold-war ignorance.....But it is your nation so do what you will.

I must say, comrade, you have made me laugh. This is rare, so savor it while you may. Your bigotry is incredible!

You yourself have admitted that no one outside your "party" gets too rich. This would, in fact, mean that you have a good number of people to which communist ideals would be quite appealing. You may crush a single revolt, but the Communist ideas live on where the economically oppressed dwell.

Your comment about the Catholic church was nothing if not uncalled for, however it helps to show your inability to function as a proper national leader. Perhaps you should consider letting your own people have more of a voice, before they remove yours by force.

Finally, Kecha, appologies for the incorrect spelling of your name. Mein Deutsch tends to make me attempt to... "Germanize" words. Your complaint is noted.

And yes, I would be QUITE interested in seeing what your definition of communism would be, comrade!

Kecha: two things.

1.) What is communism?
2.) Catholic rebellion...?

EDIT: This all makes me laugh.

I must say, comrade, you have made me laugh. This is rare, so savor it while you may. Your bigotry is incredible!

You yourself have admitted that no one outside your "party" gets too rich. This would, in fact, mean that you have a good number of people to which communist ideals would be quite appealing. You may crush a single revolt, but the Communist ideas live on where the economically oppressed dwell.

Your comment about the Catholic church was nothing if not uncalled for, however it helps to show your inability to function as a proper national leader. Perhaps you should consider letting your own people have more of a voice, before they remove yours by force.

Finally, Kecha, appologies for the incorrect spelling of your name. Mein Deutsch tends to make me attempt to... "Germanize" words. Your complaint is noted.

And yes, I would be QUITE interested in seeing what your definition of communism would be, comrade! They'd find removing me difficult, even if they wanted to.

Wow. You really didn't resolve anything in that post, my friend Kecha.
Seriously, define communism. And explain this mysterious Catholic rebellion of yours.

Wow. You really didn't resolve anything in that post, my friend Kecha. Yeah, that just occured to me, s'what I get for posting in the Late Hours.

*Nikolai leans back in his chair and sighs*
Comrade, your ignorance is disturbing. The fact you would quote the entirety of a speech for such an insignificant and untrue point saddens me.

Perhaps you would answer the good nation of Alkiro's questions for us?

Wow. You really didn't resolve anything in that post, my friend Kecha.
Seriously, define communism. And explain this mysterious Catholic rebellion of yours. The Catholics don't have plans for open revolt that we know of, it was the Communists who did that, the Catholics are wanting to force Catholicism on everybody in the country, and why do you want me to define Communism? I will gladly if you tell me why you wish it......and stop calling me Comrade.

I want you to define it so that, for one, I wish to make sure that you are not a complete moron. Ah... and I wish to know why you so vehemently oppose it. And the Catholics? Since when have they been pressing themselves upon you? Propaganda, it seems.

"I wish it" simply because you seem so poorly informed.
*takes a sip of vodka*
I would be pleased if you proved me incorrect in my assumption of your lack of political knowledge. At least to some degree.

Your apparent hatred of the Catholic Church is reminicent of Hitler's hatred for the Jews. I am disturbed by this to say the least.

I don't hate the Catholics, I hat the tactics they're trying to impose, they wanted a "Convert or die" policy in this country for crying out loud! I can't let that happen!

As for how I define Communism? a tough one, can I take some time to fully compose my answer?

OOC: This is all IC, remember that.

Holy ignorant decision, Batman! Another "leader" uneducatedly rejecting communism without actually looking at the immense benefits of this truely utopian state.

...I'm waiting, then, for your definition.
Make it snappy, lest I begin to suspect mental slowness.

...I'm waiting then. Make it snappy. You have no right to rush me, I'l "Make it snappy" if I choose, sometimes things require patience.

OOC: That mental slowness bit is harsh :cry:

Fine. Carry on with an educated and informative response then.
How long do you suppose that it shall take you?

OOC: Naturally, mein Freund. If my roleplay style of discussion disturbs you using the voice of my Premier, es tut mir leid!

IC yet again:

Yes, comrade Kecha, we have plenty of time to wait. Do not waste it, however, as you've started a great deal of controversy for seemingly no reason

Alkiro: Not a clue, if you wish, I can Telegram you when it is finished.

SM: Stop calling me Comrade, I am not your Comrade.

All right, I await your telegram, then. Comrade.

I fail to understand how this fellow can completely reject a concept which he cannot even define. This is just more ignorant assumptions based on stereotypes rather than personal research and knowledge. How sad...

All right, I await your telegram, then. Comrade. Stop that......I am not your Comrade.

You are my comrade until I decide otherwise.

You are my comrade until I decide otherwise. In your view, but I see things through different eyes, why am I even writing out an explanation to someone like you? I do not need to explain my every action to the world, never-the-less, I'll define Communism as I see it, just give me some time......and stop calling me Comrade!

You can be my comrade also :)

You can be my comrade also :) I am going slowl, surley mad.

Kecha is notoriously ignorant. Even before my great nation began its involvment in international politics, I have watched his idiocy with a wary eye.

He needs a wakeup call, that I'm sure other nations would be all too glad to provide if the opportunity arose.

And Alkrio's and Celeborne's observations would be correct. You reject my commradory, you reject my economics, and obviously you reject logic, therefore we reject your preference.

Kecha is notoriously ignorant. Even before my great nation began its involvment in international politics, I have watched his idiocy with a wary eye.

He needs a wakeup call, that I'm sure other nations would be all too glad to provide if the opportunity arose.

And Alkrio's and Celeborne's observations would be correct. You reject my commradory, you reject my economics, and obviously you reject logic, therefore we reject your preference. Good for you, I'll be busy for awhile if you need me, writing a definition of Communism that I don'tt need to, I'll speak with you later COMRADE.

OOC: Gotta' go.

We await your missive of economic genius, comrade.

Quite so, comrade Celeborne.
I would like a telegram myself if a response is given to any of you individually, as this man has brought the plight of his nation to a high priority in my mind.

*Goes to grab another bottle of vodka*

OOC:
From a previous thread:


All I want to know is what's socialism.

Socialism is a social philosophy, which, in its more extreme forms, includes Leninist and Maoist Communism (Marxist Communism is actually fairly damn benevolent...thanks to Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and that whole bunch it's become known for its false-face of socialism and actual stance as a very dictatorial state).*

Most modern "Western" democracies are very Socialistic in their policies (Canada and the Nordic states are notorious, while the US and Israel have many policies along this line that tend to be ignored (the Republican Party is very anti-socialist but is also, currently, fairly rife with Christian Fundamentalists, which has its own issues)).

----What is an indicator of Socialism/What are some Socialistic programs?----

- Social Security in the US (part of the New Deal, seeks to provide for elder Americans. The New Deal was a big time for Socialist (AKA Progressive) policies in the US...a huge number of new programs were formed that still persist to this day);

- Medicare/Medicaid in the US (takes care of medical coverage and drug prescription costs for the retired/disabled (medicare) and the other provides aid for those who are too poor to have adequate medical coverage on their own);

- 100% medical coverage (provided in Britain, Canada, and I believe most Nordic states...in some other European states as well);

- Free public education (Provided throughout the US, EU (europe), Russia (where they pay you to study for graduate degrees), and in Israel. Some of the smaller oil-rich ME states provide this and other such social programs as they've got nothing better to spend the money on (in Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, the Saudis embezzle the money and use it on extravagencies while their people are miserable)...Part of the Humanist belief that all people should have an equal chance to succeed (and that that chance is dependant upon their personal motivation...so the "equal" playing field is constructed). A necessary note: Public education is, in some areas of the US, fairly poor.);

- High taxation rate (a necessary side-effect of socialist policies is that the government impose fairly high taxation rates on its citizens (which the citizens get paid back for in having most of the super-expensive costs of living subsidized/paid for by the government);

- Homeless Shelters, Job (re)Education Programs, and Soup Kitchens (part of the belief that all people deserve a certain standard of living...seeks to provide it for the destitute).

*-- A note: "Nazism" is actually a shortening of the term "National Socialism" from the German. But in reality, Nazism (the less-racist and discriminatory parts, better known as Fascism) is based on the concept of a "Corporate State," where people keep their jobs but in which all industry is directed by the government to best serve the people of that state. This, of course, failed because of the other part of fascism/national socialism-- the leadership of Italy (Mussolini) and Germany (Adolf Hitler) were actually radical nationalists as well (a part of the Nazi/Fascist ideal) and so were expansionists. Hitler and his racist views expanded that urge beyond reasonability as he sought to purge the world of the "inferior races"

Premier Nikolai Ivonovich has made an official statement reguarding the banning of Communism in Kecha:

"Your ignorance in politics never ceases to amaze, comrade. Perhaps next time you sould ban capitalistic parties as well, and simply allow your citizens the 'freedom' to vote for Big Brother?" Freedom? Communism is alot of things, the word "Straight-up Bullsh*t" would seem to leap to my tongue, but it is not freedom.Bah! look who's talking! It seems that your government already posesses all of the ills of athoreterian communism.

Ah, thank God!! An informed man!

Perhaps this will be of some use to our uninformed comrade Kecha when he returns.

Western Asia, I salute you and your effort to clarify this discussion!
I extend a friendly handshake and the offer of a drink if you feel so inclined, and wish only the best for your nation!

As well, my thanks Free Outer Eugenia. Your further identification of his hypocracy is appreciated.

OOC: SM. Your praise is greatly appreciated...it's hard to hear people argue that socialism or even Marxism (AKA Marxist Communism) is bad simply because its only practicers have been wingnuts (creating the better-known presentations).

I will be happy to talk to Kecha about a definition for communism...the idea of outlawing Leninist and Maoist Communism would definitely be supported by WA!

Socialism is a social philosophy, which, in its more extreme forms, includes Leninist and Maoist Communism (Marxist Communism is actually fairly damn benevolent...thanks to Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and that whole bunch it's become known for its false-face of socialism and actual stance as a very dictatorial state).* Marxism has always contained the germ of authoritarianism. The belief of Marx and his German Communist cohorts that by seizing the machinery of the oppressive State the workers would eventually create "Communism" and cause the State to "wither away" was a fallacy. Bakunin, Marx's chief opponent in the International Workingman's Association (until Marx used a rigged congress of the International to have him expelled) had described what Marx's theories would lead to with astounding clarity in Marx's own lifetime. The authoritarian tendency was present in both Marx's theories and personality.