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144,000 people going to heaven. That's not true!

22-10-2003, 17:39
Taken from an atheist web site. And before you reach for the calculators, the maths is correct :lol:

But what are the odds? Well, let's do a little simple maths. Let's examine the numerals. Let's remove the uncertainty. It is plain in the Book of Revelations that the number seen in heaven is 144,000 souls. One-hundred-and-forty-four-thousand. Big number huh? I will make a few assumptions - all of which are in favour of any Christians who happen to be reading this page. I will assume for the sake of this article that the Bible is the inspired word of a Christian God, that the Bible is unambigouous, that the book of Revelations was written about 1,900 years ago sometime after the death of the Jewish Rabbi Jesus, and the number of souls prior to the writing of Revelations that have made it into heaven is 10,000. (Not a good percentage for pre-Christian souls if we consider that the 10,000 is spread over 4000 years or so.)



OK, here goes.

Read your bible. 144,000 is the number of human souls that will make it into heaven - no ambiguity there.

Subtract a small percentage of good God praising souls (from the creation of the earth to the year 100) already in heaven - less than 10 percent of 144,000. Say, 10,000.

Which leaves 134,000 Christians who can make it into heaven over the period of 1900 years from the year 100 to now.

And my calculator shows (rounded up) that on average 71 of the most superlative Christian souls will have made it into Heaven every year for the last 1900 years. Yippee and ouch!



Right, Christianity is quite a popular religion. Even I cannot deny that! There are approximately six-billion people on this planet. Six-thousand-million. Let's say that 10% of the worlds' population are Christians. It could be more, it could be less - I don't know. That's 600,000,000 Christians world-wide. Six-hundred-million. Nowadays people have a longish lifespan, lets say planet-wide on average most people live at least until the age of 70. One seventieth of the worlds' Christians will die this year (more people are born than die, but let's assume birth rate/death rate parity - it makes no real difference).

8,571,429 Christians will die this year.

It also means that there are 8,571,429 minus 71 Christian souls going straight to hell for all eternity this year alone.

In this year of 2000, 8,571,358 Christian souls will be sent to suffer hellfire torment for all eternity. Which doesn't elevate most Christians above anyone who practices any of the another religions, above atheists, or above Satan worshippers. Ironic isn't it?

But of course at the end of this year Heaven will be full. So, even if your God skims off a few of the less pious Christian souls and slings them off to eternal damnation every year, it's not looking too good for you is it? Unless of course you are significantly superior at prayer, praise, sacrifice, obedience of the hundreds of Biblical commandments, hatred of your relations and all the other wonderful instructions contained in the Christian Bible, to an incredibly high percentage of all other Christians.

It wouldn't look too good for the vast majority of Christians if 144,000 or even 1,400,000 souls were welcomed into heaven every year would it?

Doh.

"And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." - Revelations 14:03

If you will notice, 144,000 is not the number that will make it into heaven, but the number of evangelists that will come forth from Israel during the End Times. They will all be Jewish, and each will come from one of the twelve tribles of Israel. (12,000 from each tribe)
Also, every Christian that has a genuine relationship with God will make it to heaven, not less than a million, like our good friend Wibblewobblebingbang (what a name) has wrongly told us. If anyone is going to preach about God, especially if you're not a Christian, make darn well sure of what you're talking about first. Read your Bible CORRECTLY people. Or better yet, read some Tim LaHaye prophecy books. :!:[/quote]
Pantocratoria
22-10-2003, 17:47
Someone might want to point out to him that far more than 10% of the people on Earth are Christians. 1 billion of the 6 are at least nominally Catholic alone!

But anyway, I think you hit new thread instead of reply...

8)
22-10-2003, 18:02
no ... cuz where that's from was in GENERAL!
22-10-2003, 18:02
Wrong forum.

BHM is right, the 144,000 means 12,000 from each tribe will be at the gathering of israel at the second coming. Read your bible Correctly, yes ;)