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Despite an international protest, the Xanthalian Ministry of Justice, Ministry of Commerce, and Ministry of Foreign Affairs have jointly agreed that as long as pirate nations, Trasnia included, can pay for purchases with money and technology, they cannot be legally denied the ability to purchase Xanthalian ships of the line. The Trasnian pirates have already placed an order for five Dreadnaught class vessels, and it is certain that more orders from both Trasnia and other pirate groups will be not long forthcoming. The Xanthalian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has declared that it is willing to hear and respond to any commentary that foreign governments wish to give regarding the decision through normal international channels.

Federal Republic News Network(FRNN)
October 22nd

Federal Republic Stellar Navy Admiralty Expresses Outrage:

In what is surely to be one the first calls against such a move, the Admiralty of the Federal Republic Stellar Navy(FRSN) has protested the sale of ships of the line of any sort to those rogue states found conducting acts of piracy upon other nations. Admiral Nelson Fortune of the 3rd Fringe Monitoring Fleet expressed his grave concern earlier today along with Admirals' Mace Fletcher and Lance Towne commanders of the 1st and 2nd Fleets respectively. Making a report to the FR Senate Arms Comittiee the Admirals stated that this was the perfect reason why Operation Archangel was needed, and why the fledgling FRSN needed to increase the size of its Destroyer, and Cruiser numbers according to the schedule.

Vice President Alfred Weinwright announced that no offical action against Xanthal would be taken as of yet. However it is uncertain just who would take the blame should Federal Shipping fall under attack from Xanthal supplied vessels. The VP was quoted as saying, "The fact that a nation has such reckless disregard for the safety of those in the universe is astounding. Should our shipping be attacked we will be forced to retaliate against the attacker and quite possibly we will not rule out the use of force in combined might with other Stellar Powers to remove the production capabilities of those supplying the pirates themselves."

We understand and agree with the nation of New York and Jersey in their displeasure with our decision. We are not happy with our findings either. Nonetheless; as long as the pirates can pay, and as long as they do not violate Xanthalian law within our space, we must follow the law and allow such parties to purchase our vessels. We sincerely hope that you will not hold Xanthal in contempt for this. If we do not follow our own laws, what kind of example would we set for our citizens?
-The Xanthalian Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Yo ho ho! How much be ye sellin' them thar ships fer?
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The Xanthalian storefront for international ship sales is here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65437).

Will you take responsibility for losses incurred by nations as a result of these pirates? What if these pirates use the warships against allied nations... can said nation seek reperations from you?

These questions are not accusitory in manner, just wondering.

General Message from CEO Kargaah
Founder and CEO Hreer Weapon Works

"We do not approve at all, and in no uncertain terms. It is our sincere hope that any pirates found to be operating with Xanthalian Ships will have the marrow sucked from their bones as their carcasses bloat in death. Their ships will be confiscated and then made into souvenir trinkets for tourists. Or perhaps reverse engineered, even. This is, of course, if they decide to 'interfere' with our Merchant Navy craft."

"As for the company that desires to sell these craft, I say making a profit is good. But if you sell to pirates, who then attack your other possible consumers, it is poor business practice. People will associate your product with piracy, and most likely avoid you altogether. I suggest taking this up with your board members and stock-holders. that is all."

The Eastern Bloc: No. The nation of Xanthal has never and never will pay reparations to any body or any nation.

Sakkra: Board members? Stock holders? What kind of society do you think we run in Xanthal? Such capitalistic things are the root of all evil and will never be allowed in Xanthal. As to your commentary; we do not care what you do with vessels of ours that you capture from those that have purchased them from us, but you will not be permitted to reverse-engineer them. If you want our technology for your own use you must pay for it like everyone else.

"Will not be permitted"? I think you would have difficulty enforcing that...

For the record, any attack upon Ravenspire shipping will be repaid twelvefold upon the would-be pirates. Attempted piracy is a criminal act permitting killing in self-defense, and seizure of any and all of said pirates' assets as penalty and restitution. The owners may do with their new property what they will, according to Ravenspire law; that includes reverse-engineering processes, where applicable.

We do not, however, fault Xanthal for selling its merchandise, so long as Xanthal does not seek to actively or passively protect those who would misuse it, or to interfere with the administration of Ravenspire justice. Any third nation which does interfere in such a matter will be regarded by Ravenspire law as an accessory to piracy. Active intervention on the pirates' behalf will raise the charge to that of piracy, and could be constituted as an act of war by that third party against Ravenspire.

Raye Forrester
Minister of State

we do not care what you do with vessels of ours that you capture from those that have purchased them from us, but you will not be permitted to reverse-engineer them. If you want our technology for your own use you must pay for it like everyone else.

You say you don't care what we do with captured ships, yet you say we can't reverse engineer them? Sounds like you DO care. Har har har har har! And what's to stop us from reverse engineering them? Once captured, they become Imperial Property, and we will do as we like with them.

Menelmacar's policy on this matter mirrors those of NYNJ, Sakkra, and Ravenspire. Piracy will not be tolerated within Menelmacari borders, along our trade routes, or for that matter, anywhere else our fleets range. I am certain we will have no difficulty combating this.

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Chancellor of CENNA
"If it is to be war between us, it shall be war to the knife and the knife to the hilt."
~Foreign Minister Duke Paolio, The Outlands
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OK... but.. be warned... our new Anti-Piracy tactics have proven quite effective:
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Capsule: Can national navies collect bounties?

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Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
Chancellor of CENNA
"If it is to be war between us, it shall be war to the knife and the knife to the hilt."
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Capsule: Can national navies collect bounties?

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Chancellor of CENNA
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Clicky-clicky!Navies may collect the bounties, yes. As long as they can prove they were pirates and can bring proof of capture/destruction to Triton (Neptune's moon). THis plan has turned out to be VERY effective, because it makes pirates into bounty hunters, turning against their rivals and turning their dead carckasses in for cash. it's expensive, but VERY effective, we've found.

OOC: Xanthal is half-ignored, but since other nations Wazzu interacts with are recognizing him, I feel the need to post some dismissive statement.

IC:

"Wazzu is officially unconcerned. Xanthalan technology is noted to be advanced, but also considered to be extremely fragile. Wazzu does however condem the Xanthal government for supporting and harboring murderers, rapists, and theives."

-Manar Tawam, Speaker for the Government of Wazzu

Capsule: Can national navies collect bounties?

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Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
Chancellor of CENNA
"If it is to be war between us, it shall be war to the knife and the knife to the hilt."
~Foreign Minister Duke Paolio, The Outlands
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Clicky-clicky!Navies may collect the bounties, yes. As long as they can prove they were pirates and can bring proof of capture/destruction to Triton (Neptune's moon). THis plan has turned out to be VERY effective, because it makes pirates into bounty hunters, turning against their rivals and turning their dead carckasses in for cash. it's expensive, but VERY effective, we've found.
Excellent.

Would proof in the form of battle telemetry and some chunks of wreckage be sufficient?

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Chancellor of CENNA
"If it is to be war between us, it shall be war to the knife and the knife to the hilt."
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OOC: To inform Xanthal, Resi has been widely ignored by most decent roleplayers for incredibly poor OOC tactics to get out of IC problems, and thus any money you make by selling to anyone under his control will likely also be ignored by those roleplayers.

OOC: To inform Xanthal, Resi has been widely ignored by most decent roleplayers for incredibly poor OOC tactics to get out of IC problems, and thus any money you make by selling to anyone under his control will likely also be ignored by those roleplayers.OOC tactics, eh? Normally I'd ask if you're implying that I'm BSing, but in this case I know you are. As I have said before and will continue to say until you actually do stop (if that ever happens), stuff it. I've been through enough crap without some angsty stranger accusing me of lying to shirk away from my duties.

Now can you please, please quit the flaming/flaimbaiting? :?

OOC: To inform Xanthal, Resi has been widely ignored by most decent roleplayers for incredibly poor OOC tactics to get out of IC problems, and thus any money you make by selling to anyone under his control will likely also be ignored by those roleplayers.OOC tactics, eh? Normally I'd ask if you're implying that I'm BSing, but in this case I know you are. As I have said before and will continue to say until you actually do stop (if that ever happens), stuff it. I've been through enough crap without some angsty stranger accusing me of lying to shirk away from my duties.

Now can you please, please quit the flaming/flaimbaiting? :?

Angst is talking about your own problems with a group of strangers every time you don't have a valid point to make. You ARE angst, Resi.

Angst is talking about your own problems with a group of strangers every time you don't have a valid point to make. You ARE angst, Resi.No, angst is hating everyone and everything because "no one understands you", but that's besides the point. Let's just say you have a stick up your ass and move on, because no one can deny that fact.

Angst is talking about your own problems with a group of strangers every time you don't have a valid point to make. You ARE angst, Resi.No, angst is hating everyone and everything because "no one understands you", but that's besides the point. Let's just say you have a stick up your ass and move on, because no one can deny that fact.

To be honest, besides the posts informing people of your situation involving the better roleplayers of this message board, I'm posting because your half-witted responses amuse me greatly, not because I have a stick up my ass.

To be honest, besides the posts informing people of your situation involving the better roleplayers of this message board, I'm posting because your half-witted responses amuse me greatly, not because I have a stick up my ass.It's nice to see someone's amused here. Now can we drop the hijack of this thread, at least? :?

The Vortex Corporation finds this outrageous. Any and all pirate vessels caught in our territory or along our trade routes will be engaged and destroyed on first sight. Piracy cannot be allowed a continued existance, and we will do everything in our power to eradicate this threat to our economy and the lives of our people.

The mere fact that you arm these outlaws, indicates that you approve of these practices. No honour can be held by one who does so, and we cannot have any respect for your nation as long as you coninue this. He who arms these criminals, that often do not hesitate to maim, wound and even kill innocent people, is a fool in our eyes. What you are doing here, is nothing else then earning money with the deaths of the innocent!

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The Vortex Corporation Daiamid Council
Corporate Coalition
Templar Alliance
CENNA
SATO
WTE
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”We bring new worlds to Life”

Noted, noted, and noted again. We're sorry to hear that several nations would consider reverse-engineering our technology against Xanthalian law. To prevent this, we will immediately begin hardwiring self-destruct mechanisms into our export ships, activatable by remote or tampering. Screw consumer confidence, we cannot allow our technology to be replicated without regulation.

Excellent. All we'll have to do when we encounter a pirate is hit upon the right frequency, and their ship will destroy itself. Given Ravenspire's transmission capabilities, this should be faster and safer for Ravenspire nationals than even a straightforward engagement.

Shyri T'kla
Minister of Trade

Agreed. Rather than actually commit to combat against space pirates operating with Xanthalian crafts, we'll send a cloud of nano-bots to simulate 'tampering', and watch the ships go *poof*. Thank you for providing us with an easy means of destroying the pirates. Heh heh heh.

*Note to self. Commision nano-wank nations to provide nano-bot cloud launchers*

Our technology is not so easily fooled. However, if you can find a way you will most likely become an enemy to all who have ever bought Xanthalian ships, legitimate nations or not.

Wolf Kingdom finds this outrageous. Any and all pirate vessels caught in our territory or along our trade routes will be engaged and will be taken on first sight. If they can find the Wolf System and get in it.

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Aiding and willing harboring and protecting Pirates makes you just as guilty of the crime as the pirates themselves.

OOC: Resi aren't you spose to be assassinating that Teritroan Archbishop?

Aiding and willing harboring and protecting Pirates makes you just as guilty of the crime as the pirates themselves.

OOC: Resi aren't you spose to be assassinating that Teritroan Archbishop?

OOC: Bloody server trouble, Multipost.

Wolf Kingdom: We support this fully. We detest all pirates.

Tordor: We are guilty of nothing but following our own laws of equality and fairness.

"What are you going to do about these Xanthalan pirates?" CEO Bob Sanow demanded of Wazzu Minister of Defense Dr. Helena Meyer. "Hermes already took a large enough financial hit after the AMF and VC wars, we are not ready for another!"

"Relax." Meyer responded confidently and calmly, "Xanthalan technology is advanced, they can do a lot of neat things, but none of it well. All their technologies are simply too young, too underdeveloped, and created by an idiot population literally screwing over the genes of their children. They also spend rediculusly little on each ship. I would give 5 to 1 odds that on your freighters over their warships."

"Oh common, don't BS me!"

Helena sighed. "You don't believe me? Tell you what, your on the Advisory Council out of technicality, let me show you something available to the Executive Council." Meyer pulled a manilla folder out of a desk drawer, opened it, and slid it over to Sanow.

"And what am I looking at?" Sanow asked.

"Your looking at the Xanthalan defense summary, the result of electronic surveillance, human spying, bought and captured market items, and other aquired information and technology. The doccument that made this took into account budgets, research, and even the education of their population. We had been worried about Xanthal for a while. We thought it might be as technologically tough as Titan nations. We spent quite a large some of money doing research, and found ourselves wasting away our budget.

"O, the Xanthal people like to claim superiority, and their government does quite a propaganda job, but they are comparitively weak. Even in propaganda, they only ones they are fooling are their own stupid and uneducated population...well, and a few groupies.

"So when I tell you don't worry, I really mean don't worry. Even smaller governments are laughing. Hermes Spacelines is quite safe."

CEO Sanow was silent. He wasn't entirely convinced, but didn't have an arguement left. This was pretty solid evidence, and the Wazzu government had never lied to or manipulated Hermes before...it had actually been quite helpfull. Xanthal on the other hand was producing pirates...not exactly a government to be believed.

He didn't have a choice, shipping would continue in its normal convoys. And if the freighters turned out not to be as good as the Xanthal ships afterwards, he was certain the Wazzu escorts would pound the briggands back into stardust.

Let me put it like this, if any Teritorans are killed we will hold the Xanthalan goverment responsable... Not that the ships you are selling are a match for our miltary or space police vessels.

OOC: Heeheehee... I love it when people insult my technology. It makes it all the more fun when I kill them with it. By the way, we're ranked in the top 10% of smartest nations, so don't go there. Can't deny that we do propaganda, though... We're good at that. Still, the Xanthalian government has always been almost completely honest with both the Xanthalian people and the international community, with a few exceptions for top secret projects and intelligence agents. I find that the more people insult my nation, the less they know about it. We've got quite a history. You should read up on some of my old RPs. Unless of course you're using some internal IC propaganda of your own in that post...

Teritora: You may do as you wish, but we will not accept responsibility any more than we do when other nations go to war with ships they've bought from us. And don't insult us without basis. A Xanthalian Dreadnaught could easily overcome most of your fleet ships, forget about your police vessels.

I think not, It would not have that easly of a time, you sir insult our Techology and ships also have not heard of our Police Battlecruisers.

OOC:You must be joking some yes, but not all of them and I doubt it could over come the Police Battlecruiser easly, now your insulting my techology.

OOC: You get what you give. Besides, do you expect the Xanthalian military to just say "oh yes, you could kill us all"?

Teritora: The power of Xanthalian warships is awesome, and improves by the day as we aquire more and more technology to integrate into our designs.

OOC:Of course.

Yes but we have been in space longer and our Techology improves all the time as well so does everyone elses. That will not give you a advange. Also they are in your Terrtory and you are allowing them to operate from your Teritory, that does make you responsable, we would hate to attacked by Pirates using ships and operating from a nation's Teritory we have ties to.

We strongly condemn this move. Weapons proliferation is not the way. In the interest of the rights of free and well-meaning citizens, LRR urges you (Xanthal) to rethink this move. It will come back and bite you in the face sooner or later. (This is why all my storefronts are closed.)

Our technology is not so easily fooled. However, if you can find a way you will most likely become an enemy to all who have ever bought Xanthalian ships, legitimate nations or not.

Our technology is better than yours.

Oh, and we're absolutely terrified. Really.

By the way, that'd be "an enemy to all who will in the future buy Xanthalian ships." Since you're only now starting to booby-trap your wares. And for that reason, I'm guessing "all" is going to be a pretty small number. Not exactly the brightest of moves on your part.

Of course, legitimate traders have nothing to fear from our anti-piracy techniques in the first place...

Sakura Kitsuki
Minister of Harsh Truths

OOC: Heeheehee... I love it when people insult my technology. It makes it all the more fun when I kill them with it. By the way, we're ranked in the top 10% of smartest nations, so don't go there.

OOC: For the record, we're ranked in the top 1% of smartest nations. We're also in the top 1% for info tech, per-capita military spending (and we've got lots of capita, and without ever having had the population bug 8) ), and size of defense force.

Why does it say Xanthal was the last poster?

OOC: Because the forum is stupid?

IC: We are not interested in selling our ships. We simply do it as a side business. The profit is negligible. Now then, if it would make you all feel better we could close our spacecraft storefront to everyone.... Would you like that? We wouldn't mind.

OOC: Because the forum is stupid?

IC: We are not interested in selling our ships. We simply do it as a side business. The profit is negligible. Now then, if it would make you all feel better we could close our spacecraft storefront to everyone.... Would you like that? We wouldn't mind.

You don't need to close your storefronts. Just make sure that what you sell can be sold to everyone without reprecussions for the rest of us.

It is against Xanthalian law to discriminate against anyone. We must sell our ships to pirates too if we sell them to others, just as long as they do not violate Xanthalian law.

And you don't care about international law, interGalaxic law or your relations with other countries concidering these pirates are operating out of your teritory.

And you don't care about international law, interGalaxic law or your relations with other countries concidering these pirates are operating out of your teritory.

He has a very big point. You can't let pirates ravage around space with your help! Wasn't there one time when I sent a carrier and a wing of acolytes to help one of your research vessels when under attack by pirates? A good portion of my folks died in that one, and their deaths would be in vain if you go through with what you are planning.

We do not want to back them, but we have no choice! They are a protectorate of Xanthal! We can't violate our own laws!

Very well then. Do not violate your laws. We will find a way to fool your anti-tampering technologies. And we say this in full public! If we make enemies of those that will buy your ships, so be it. They now have full knowledge of what we are doing, so Caveat Emptor! And should people decide to cry on the milque-toast about it, even with full knowledge of what we are up to, then they get what comes to them.

I say again, however, that only those who attack our freighters will need fear this course of action. Others will be unmolested.

Sakkra: Very well, then we have no disagreement with you. Do as you will.

OOC: Heeheehee... I love it when people insult my technology. It makes it all the more fun when I kill them with it. By the way, we're ranked in the top 10% of smartest nations, so don't go there. Can't deny that we do propaganda, though... We're good at that. Still, the Xanthalian government has always been almost completely honest with both the Xanthalian people and the international community, with a few exceptions for top secret projects and intelligence agents. I find that the more people insult my nation, the less they know about it. We've got quite a history. You should read up on some of my old RPs. Unless of course you're using some internal IC propaganda of your own in that post...

OOC: I'm not insulting your technology, I'm insulting you for implying that your technology is better then everyone elses.

Wazzu is in the top 2% of education, and that is the lowest point it has been since before your nation existed. Typically, Wazzu is in the top 800, which is now near the top 1% but used to be much better (when there were 125,000 nations). Always with a Frightening economy at that. Lets not forget high (though not the highest) military spending and some of the very highest subsidies (between 1 and 2%).

So you might want to tone down the ego just a little bit. There are a lot of we nations that actually role-play rather then just type out pseudo-scientific number wanking techno-babble and troll for attention.

Oh, and it can't be IC propaganda. It was a meeting between two people, not a public address. It was very much OOC criticism.

EDIT: This was the kind of attention you wanted, yes?

OOC: I'm cocky on the web because I'm a wuss in real life. Gimme a break, huh? Anyhow, what's wrong with technical ships? If you don't specify what your ships can and cannot do you can cheat too easily.

OOC: I'm cocky on the web because I'm a wuss in real life. Gimme a break, huh? Anyhow, what's wrong with technical ships? If you don't specify what your ships can and cannot do you can cheat too easily.

OOC: I (and others) specify, and I try to stick to real and theoretical physics.

The difference is, while I imply my ships are very good (a lot of resources into very few ships), I don't imply that they are the very best available.

You have a lot of fancy technology, that is a lot to research, a lot to reverse engineer. The result of that is that none of your technology has the depth that other nations have.

Its like knowing Metallurgy, glass blowing, and agriculture. You know a little of a lot.

But another nation might have triple your crop production, be able to make truely clear glass (as opposed to your semi-clear, choppy glass), or know how to create steel (while you make only bronze).

Add in that your nation is smaller/younger (though thankfully without the population bug), socialist (100% tax rate...little competetion), with a slightly lower economy and worse education and the result is "I'm sorry but your nation does not have the best ships."

Thats not to say that your ships are bad (I haven't done an analysis to compare), but they are not the best. Hence Wazzu truely is not worried.

And no I won't give you a break...lots of people have sob stories, they are not excuses.

OOC: I don't tell people my sob stories. It's not worth it. Anyhow, my ships are IC implied to be the best because the Xanthalian Armada likes to look tough. OOC implications are merely my own ramblings.