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From: The Incorporated States of Mushroomius
Department: Foreign Affairs

We, the body politick of the nation you have come to know as the Incorporated States of Mushroomius, are here today to make an offering to our worldly kin. For too long, the world has rested, letting regions that follow the doctrines of Nazism, Racism and Supremacism.

It is times like these, venerated leaders, most honorable nations; it is times like these that try human souls. Shall we stand, watching idly, while at the very moment I bring forth to you this proposal, Elves are marched into death camps? Shall we stand, watching idly, while millions of Jews, Gentiles, Blacks, Hispanics or other racial groups are treated in the same manner? Shall we stand, watching idly, as sentient beings of any kind are marched into the same camps?

My answer is no. I cannot stand and watch idly. No, it is my perogative as an advocate of human rights to maintain the balance of power. Regions such as Nazi Deutschland Axis, Vanguard, and the Aryan Alliance region are growing. And in response to this, to maintain that "balance of power," we endeavor to create an alliance whose doctrine is radically different.

United shall we be, not through our similarities, but through our differences. Uniformity shall be replaced by diversity in this alliance. Our doctrine and most venerable constitution is as such: (Those that are marked "Doctrines" are laws that apply to all nations joining, those that are marked "Articles" are policies that governments must follow)

Doctrine I: All races, during the existence of our humble alliance, shall be given those rights that they are unquestionably endowed with, those of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Doctrine II: All races shall not be exempt from any law or edict. Nor shall any race be the sole recipient of any law or edict.

Doctrine III: All races shall have, as an unalienable right, the right to a free choice of religion.

Doctrine IV: No gender shall be exempt from any law or edict. Nor shall any gender be the sole recipient of any law or edict.

Article I: All nations must cede at least 5% of their annual income towards foreign aid.

Article II: All nations, in a time of crises, must vote for or against the options presented by the counsel.

Article III: All nations, during a time of war, must donate 15% of their military to the offensive.

Article IV: All nations, in order to better the lives here on Earth, must permit unguarded and open access to their scientific facilities to fellow members for non-military purposes.

Article V: All nations, to form a stronger alliance, must donate an additional 5% of their annual income towards the alliance treasury.

Article VI: All nations shall not declare war on any member nation without just cause, and without the leading counsil's consent.

Article VII: All nations must adhere to the Articles and Doctrines above, and must pledge their Lives, their Fortunes, and their Sacred Honors to the proliferation of human rights.

Counsel Members:
-The Incorporated States of Mushroomius (Founder)
-The Kingdom of Five Civilized Nations (Pending)
-The Empire of Crimmond (Pending)
-The Kingdom of Crookfur (Pending)

Members:
-The Armed Republic of Nadaskor
-The Rogue Nation of Arribastan
-The People's Republic of Plenzonia
-The Kingdom of Olympus Coliseum
-The Democratic States of Feline
-The Community of Gurthark
-The United Socialist States of Fulovit
-The People's Republic of Euroslavia
-The Commonwealth of Chimaea

National Supporters:
-The Dominion of Kotterdam
-The United States of Western Asia
-The Republic of Kain Irenicus
-The Empire of Crownguard
-The Empire of Eris Kallisti
-The Free Land of Psylos

I'm in, brother am I in on this one, by the way our entire armed forces are geared to the destruction of fascism, not just 15%.

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An admirable goal and project, but the demands are simply too great.

OOC: The non-gender specific issue has problems for maternity issues, such as paid leave for maternity, which cannot be enforced or asked for under the 4th Doctrine.

The larger percentages of budgets and military forces also make it untenable for WA.

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...Ya' damn commie, Castro-lovin', bycicle-theivin', shoe-lickin' scum.

-Nik

OY!!! I've never stolen any bike or licked any shoes. BUT GOD I'M PROUD OF THE COMMIE BIT, and I've a soft spot for castro!!!

... Ya low life capitalist, neo-nazi, son of dog pooped jack boot.

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Spam... someone else's thread.

All right all right fine. I'm sorry. Let me go erase it all to facilitate reading this thread without succesively lowering your IQ level.

-Nik

I agree with all that but do you really need a constitution for it? I think that people could do that on their own.

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-President Z.D. Meier
Alliance of Democracy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55467)
U.N. Delegate

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I agree with all that but do you really need a constitution for it? I think that people could do that on their own.

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-President Z.D. Meier
Alliance of Democracy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55467)
U.N. Delegate

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Unity is strength brother, unity is strength!

I agree with all that but do you really need a constitution for it? I think that people could do that on their own.

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-President Z.D. Meier
Alliance of Democracy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55467)
U.N. Delegate

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I believe it is necessary. The people are not forming a state, the states are forming the alliance.

-Toad (Don't want to post my signature here... yet)

While Renard supports the goals of the region it cannot supply 10% of it's annual revenue to foreign aid and regional treasuries: When a nation, region or people are deserving of aid they will receive it. Add to that the current, catastrophic, economic down turn and the United Socialist States of Renard simply cannot afford to join your region.

Never the less, we wish you well and support your objectives, as do many other nations across the globe.

Ministry for Foreign Affairs

"All it takes for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing."-Winston Churchill.

While Renard supports the goals of the region it cannot supply 10% of it's annual revenue to foreign aid and regional treasuries: When a nation, region or people are deserving of aid they will receive it. Add to that the current, catastrophic, economic down turn and the United Socialist States of Renard simply cannot afford to join your region.

Never the less, we wish you well and support your objectives, as do many other nations across the globe.

Ministry for Foreign Affairs

May your economic situation improve soon, we would very much like to see you in the alliance.

Cheers.

"All it takes for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing."-Winston Churchill.

OOC: Yeah, yeah, ya gonna join or what? Just kidding. Good phrase, that one is.

"I fully support this allaince, and would have joined it in my days in power. Alas, I am simply an experianced leader. I can gladly give my opinions and beliefs unto the political field, but I have no nation, nor hardly any money. Would be able, I would support you with more than moral inplications and words, but alas I can little. Rest assured, I shall do all I can."

Kain Irenicus

Very well. Your decision is yours indeed... but I would implore you to join, and I ever will do so.

Thank you for supporting us, however.

forthefirsttimeonthisthreaditsaBUMP.

"A wise man once told me, to follow the yellow bump road, and I have been traveling ever since."

"A wise man once told me, to follow the yellow bump road, and I have been traveling ever since."

A wise statement. Again, your support for the alliance is appreciated.

coughcough... a... cough... bump.

The Five Civilized Nations with its diverse populations would be honored to join this league...

--Foreign Minister, Jin Xuan

The Five Civilized Nations with its diverse populations would be honored to join this league...

--Foreign Minister, Jin Xuan

Your nation and our own have come to know one another more from our naval commerce... would you be interested in a leadership position?

The Five Civilized Nations would be honored to have a leadership position...

We should begin thinking about agendas and setting up the chain of command...

--Foreign Minister, Jin Xuan

Cool little things really

We will consider joining. What is you stance on 0.5 World Nations?

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Larea dinAthos
Head of Interspecies Relations
Quote: "Wars are not started by the military. They are started by bad diplomacy."

OOC:
New level of world types:
3rd World: Low standard of living. Comprised of dirt poor nations.
2nd World: Medium standard of living. Comprised of developing nations.
1st World: High standard of living. Comprised of industrial nations mostly.
0.5 World: Amazingly high standard of living. Comprised of nations that have developed sll utopias, most Future Tech.

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From: The Incorporated States of Mushroomius
Department: Foreign Affairs

We, the body politick of the nation you have come to know as the Incorporated States of Mushroomius, are here today to make an offering to our worldly kin. For too long, the world has rested, letting regions that follow the doctrines of Nazism, Racism and Supremacism.

It is times like these, venerated leaders, most honorable nations; it is times like these that try human souls. Shall we stand, watching idly, while at the very moment I bring forth to you this proposal, Elves are marched into death camps? Shall we stand, watching idly, while millions of Jews, Gentiles, Blacks, Hispanics or other racial groups are treated in the same manner? Shall we stand, watching idly, as sentient beings of any kind are marched into the same camps?

My answer is no. I cannot stand and watch idly. No, it is my perogative as an advocate of human rights to maintain the balance of power. Regions such as Nazi Deutschland Axis, Vanguard, and the Aryan Alliance region are growing. And in response to this, to maintain that "balance of power," we endeavor to create an alliance whose doctrine is radically different.

United shall we be, not through our similarities, but through our differences. Uniformity shall be replaced by diversity in this alliance. Our doctrine and most venerable constitution is as such: (Those that are marked "Doctrines" are laws that apply to all nations joining, those that are marked "Articles" are policies that governments must follow)

Doctrine I: All races, during the existence of our humble alliance, shall be given those rights that they are unquestionably endowed with, those of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Doctrine II: All races shall not be exempt from any law or edict. Nor shall any race be the sole recipient of any law or edict.

Doctrine III: All races shall have, as an unalienable right, the right to a free choice of religion.

Doctrine IV: No gender shall be exempt from any law or edict. Nor shall any gender be the sole recipient of any law or edict.

Article I: All nations must cede at least 5% of their annual income towards foreign aid.

Article II: All nations, in a time of crises, must vote for or against the options presented by the counsel.

Article III: All nations, during a time of war, must donate 15% of their military to the offensive.

Article IV: All nations, in order to better the lives here on Earth, must permit unguarded and open access to their scientific facilities to fellow members for non-military purposes.

Article V: All nations, to form a stronger alliance, must donate an additional 5% of their annual income towards the alliance treasury.

Article VI: All nations shall not declare war on any member nation without just cause, and without the leading counsil's consent.

Article VII: All nations must adhere to the Articles and Doctrines above, and must pledge their Lives, their Fortunes, and their Sacred Honors to the proliferation of human rights.

Counsel Members:
-The Incorporated States of Mushroomius (Founder)

Members:
-The Armed Republic of Nadaskor

"Bah! I'm not signing this codswollop!"
Reputed ramblings in council by Chancellor Alexander Mangan

There's no need to quote the whole post

Crimmond, we would be honored if you would join this alliance. If at all possible, we offer a leadership position to you. (We are still formulating those)

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We have decided to join this alliance, a leadership position isn't really required, but we will accept.

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Larea dinAthos
Head of Interspecies Relations
Quote: "Wars are not started by the military. They are started by bad diplomacy."

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83656

A thread you should read, to see another way to free the people from slavers... ah Miss dinAthos's quote fits this strategy PERFECTLY!

The Five Civilized Nations would be honored to have a leadership position...

We should begin thinking about agendas and setting up the chain of command...

--Foreign Minister, Jin Xuan

I wholly agree.

OOC: Perhaps we should start a separate thread?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83656

A thread you should read, to see another way to free the people from slavers... ah Miss dinAthos's quote fits this strategy PERFECTLY!

That Crimmond... was priceless... wow...

We have decided to join this alliance, a leadership position isn't really required, but we will accept.

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Larea dinAthos
Head of Interspecies Relations
Quote: "Wars are not started by the military. They are started by bad diplomacy."

You are certain you do not wish a leadership position?

You are certain you do not wish a leadership position?

You misunderstand, we will accept the position, just that it wasn't required to get us to join.

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Larea dinAthos
Head of Interspecies Relations
Quote: "Wars are not started by the military. They are started by bad diplomacy."

Very well. A leadership position is yours... however we have yet to determine the organization of the alliance, so the leadership position you will actually have... we are unsure about at this time.

The Empire is honored to be a part of this group, we hope to lead it well.

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bumpExactly what I was about to do...

bumpExactly what I was about to do...

My apologies... but here's another one...

and another one...

Ah yes, by the way... bump.

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More members welcome.

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The Holy Empire of Istar wishes to join the C.U.R. so as long as we may keep the evil race of minotaurs under eternal bondage and enslavement.

~Kingpriest Velorn X

The Holy Empire of Istar wishes to join the C.U.R. so as long as we may keep the evil race of minotaurs under eternal bondage and enslavement.

~Kingpriest Velorn X

You seem to misunderstand. The Coalition is not an alliance to stereotype, either. How can there a be a race that is truly evil? Let me show you a little something about population in Mushroomius

120,000 Dark Elves (Druchi, Drow...) ...
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Valuable to our society, these Elves have no unusually high crime record (in fact, remarkably low) and find themselves valued members of society. It is likely that, as immigrants, they wish not to give the image that they are evil, and thus are hardworking individuals.

90,000 Romulans...
http://www.clubs.psu.edu/engineering/images/romulans.jpg
They too, enjoy social equality in Mushroomius, where previously scrutiny of their allegiance was found. Scrutiny of the very race that which they belonged was also often at the heart of the age-old conflict between Humans and the seemingly-untrustworthy Romulans.

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How about my 135’500 (0.01% of the population) clangers!

http://www.dur.ac.uk/ashley.holmes/clanger.gif

Sorry… I just liked all the pictures of our populations and I recently stated that we have had a slowly growing number of Clangers immigrate to Iuthia, 450th happiest nation in the world.

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If you'd still like to join...

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I’m afraid that I feel it asks too much of my nation… I wouldn’t be happy unless I had a big position or something, and that isn’t going to happen because I am not involved in it’s creation nor do I have the best “freedom” record around. After all, Iuthia is still a dictatorship, albeit one the people love.

But I already have a large amount of allies (I think the list has gotten to be pretty big now) and I don’t feel the need to have 10% of my nations income taken away from me when I could spend that money on aid that will do the same but with a Iuthian name tag on it.

Also I find that an alliance is as efficient as it’s members, the system makes a small difference but if no one cares too much in the alliance then you still have trouble getting the help you need.

I think I’ll keep a certain degree of freedom from now on… but because I like you message (not your implementation however) I will ask to be known as a ally of the organisation (so I’ll help out occasionally) but not an actually member. Any “obligations” will have to be discussed and agreed upon of course… I’m not signing something that tries to make me do something.

The free land of Psylos is willing to join the alliance, so long as we can kick some nazi ass.

You seem to misunderstand. The Coalition is not an alliance to stereotype, either. How can there a be a race that is truly evil? Let me show you a little something about population in Mushroomius

The Minotaur were created by the Graygem and until they attacked the Holy Empire and were enslaved worshiped the Dark God Sargonnas and killed the servants of the Light wherever they were found in the Twin Minotaur Kingdoms. The Gods Light however prevailed over the Minotaur and now they serve Istar for all time as slaves. Also the filth that is the Dark Elves was wiped out in Istar over 800 years ago by the order of Kingpriest Johv-Pali II in the Edict of Destruction of Darkness, no Dark Elf survived.

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Kingpriest Velorn X
”Fe Paladas cado, bid Istaras apalo, tam Gidam codo.”
The Holy Empire of Istar

You seem to misunderstand. The Coalition is not an alliance to stereotype, either. How can there a be a race that is truly evil? Let me show you a little something about population in Mushroomius

The Minotaur were created by the Graygem and until they attacked the Holy Empire and were enslaved worshiped the Dark God Sargonnas and killed the servants of the Light wherever they were found in the Twin Minotaur Kingdoms. The Gods Light however prevailed over the Minotaur and now they serve Istar for all time as slaves. Also the filth that is the Dark Elves was wiped out in Istar over 800 years ago by the order of Kingpriest Johv-Pali II in the Edict of Destruction of Darkness, no Dark Elf survived.

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Kingpriest Velorn X
”Fe Paladas cado, bid Istaras apalo, tam Gidam codo.”
The Holy Empire of Istar

But, are they all evil? There have to some that aren't. And those are the ones that we really care about.

Bump.

The free land of Psylos is willing to join the alliance, so long as we can kick some nazi ass.

This is a peaceful organization, not a warmongering one. We refer to diplomacy first, not artillery. So long as this is understood, we will accept you as a member.

This is a peaceful organization, not a warmongering one. We refer to diplomacy first, not artillery. So long as this is understood, we will accept you as a member.Question, what for is the treasury? 5% of our GDP is huge. What will you pay with this fund?

My entire budget is probably not that much... :roll:

I agree, that's even worse for me as I have a huge GDP.

I suggest that be changed to 5% of the national budget.

I agree...

Just out of curiosity, what are we using the money for anyways?

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Uh....

I think we are supposed to decide that. I hate the begining of alliances, it's a helluva lot of work. Has to be done though.

I have just looked at the UN proposal lists and sifted through all the normal 'Ban Nukes!' and even one about building a Death Star.

I have found two that are worth looking at.

Please look up the following:

Declaration of Freedoms
A hate free world

If you are not a UN delegate, I would suggest urging your current one to support the resolution.

okay...

I have just looked at the UN proposal lists and sifted through all the normal 'Ban Nukes!' and even one about building a Death Star.

I have found two that are worth looking at.

Please look up the following:

Declaration of Freedoms
A hate free world

If you are not a UN delegate, I would suggest urging your current one to support the resolution.

I happen to like the Declaration of Freedoms one.. A hate free world undercuts itself, so I don't approve it...

We are debating on joining.... so far we are unsure, as we have many other things we are dealing with at the moment.

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Janey Ravenhurst, KSC
Press Secretary
Empire of Eris Kallisti

You could just be a supporter for now and join at a later date.

That sounds acceptable for now.

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Janey Ravenhurst, KSC
Press Secretary
Empire of Eris Kallisti

I want to be a supporter as well. We will join when the organisation will be more transparent.

This thing has everything needed to become a allaince of countries forcing weaker ones to change their politics. Don't get me wrong many countries are the type that should be forced to change their goverment, but such allainces have always sooner or later turned into a curropt system that uses it's power to force everyone to follow the politics they want and eradicate those that do not agree.
Also it sensless to try to force the whole world to accept a code of morals. The world is inhabitad by many nations and races that have over the millenia since their creation created many unike cultures and codes of decency/moral. By creating a code for all it is as if you were creating it for nobody, almost every country will find a article it will not agree with.
And about the Basic Rights,
- Right to Live:
- What right to live has a man who is drowning in the ocean, the ocean will not head to his right.
- If two men are alone on a deserted island and the only way to survive is cannabilism, than who has the greater right to live?
- What about the situation that has become all to common, parents abandon their children to save their lives thus sentencing the children to death, do they do this because of some right? Even peacful animals are ready to die to protect their young, why should we be worse?
-Right to liberty,
Ah yes liberty, many countries to gain it had to pay a high price, countless numbers of patriots have, do and will die for it. Liberty is very expensive, if the tree of liberty is not watered with the blood of patriots it will die for people will take it for granted.
- Persuit of happines,
One may say that it is unquestionably endowed but it is not a right as such. Every animal that begins to think automaticly trys to make himself happy.
Throw me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake or crown me as a king, yet I will always try to make myself happier.

These are beutiful ideals, yet sadly too idealistic. Humanity (and other races to that matter) must mature greatly before we can think of bringing something like this into life.

We in Gurthark interpreted articles I and V to be referring to our annual budget (that is, the *government's* annual income), not the GDP (the annual income of *every member of our population* added together). It seems some people in this thread are concerned because they took it to refer to the entire GDP. Perhaps the articles should be clarified?

As a note, this would probably not affect Gurthark's decision to join. Our tax rate is fairly high, so the difference is not as dramatic for us as it might be for other nations. We'd still already comply with Article I--although just barely. It would be dramatic for nations with a small government, however--if their current tax rate is around 15%, requiring them to give a total of 10% of their GDP would either mandate a huge tax increase in those countries or require them to spend 2/3 of their annual budget on alliance requirements.

Sincerely,
Miranda Googleplex
United Nations Ambassador
Community of Gurthark

Questions and Criticisms

1. Can we safely assume that none of the nations involved in this coalition have any sort of affirmative action programs in place? (Doctrine II)

2. You're not allowing nations the right to abstain from a vote in a time of crisis? (Article II)

3. Fifteen percent of the nation's military is pretty steep. Asking nations to devote a full ten percent of their national income to this coalition is ridiculous. (Articles I, III, and V)

4. Article IV practically protects technological espionage. Also, nations whose "scientific facilities" are privately owned can't guarantee that they'll cooperate.

5. A free nation cannot pledge the lives, fortunes, or sacred honor of its citizens to any cause. That is a decision to be made by the individual citizens. (Article VII)

Courtesy of:
Robert Connor, Chief Justice
James Weston, Attorney General

This thing has everything needed to become a allaince of countries forcing weaker ones to change their politics. Don't get me wrong many countries are the type that should be forced to change their goverment, but such allainces have always sooner or later turned into a curropt system that uses it's power to force everyone to follow the politics they want and eradicate those that do not agree.

Which is why it the Coalition uses force in only the most extreme cirumstances, such as a WWII Germany situation wjere diplomacy is not working.

Also it sensless to try to force the whole world to accept a code of morals. The world is inhabitad by many nations and races that have over the millenia since their creation created many unike cultures and codes of decency/moral. By creating a code for all it is as if you were creating it for nobody, almost every country will find a article it will not agree with.

We are not asking the world to change and adhere, merely the ones that wish to can. I do not agree with all the things in this alliance, but I am part of it nonetheless.

And about the Basic Rights,
- Right to Live:
- What right to live has a man who is drowning in the ocean, the ocean will not head to his right.
- If two men are alone on a deserted island and the only way to survive is cannabilism, than who has the greater right to live?
- What about the situation that has become all to common, parents abandon their children to save their lives thus sentencing the children to death, do they do this because of some right? Even peacful animals are ready to die to protect their young, why should we be worse?

This is a coalition of Nations and Governments. Not individuals.

-Right to liberty,
Ah yes liberty, many countries to gain it had to pay a high price, countless numbers of patriots have, do and will die for it. Liberty is very expensive, if the tree of liberty is not watered with the blood of patriots it will die for people will take it for granted.
- Persuit of happines,
One may say that it is unquestionably endowed but it is not a right as such. Every animal that begins to think automaticly trys to make himself happy.
Throw me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake or crown me as a king, yet I will always try to make myself happier.

Your points are?

These are beutiful ideals, yet sadly too idealistic. Humanity (and other races to that matter) must mature greatly before we can think of bringing something like this into life.

How shall humanity(and the other races) mature if they are not given the challenge to do so?

Copiosa:

1: I miss your meaning...

2: Thank you for bringing that up, I missed that and think it should be changed.

3: I agree that it is high. I would suggest 5%.

4: An interesting point, one I agree with in part.

5: I overlooked that as a figure of speech, but your point is well taken.

The Baron Intervention Taskforce will join as a friendly alliance, if you wish; our goals are much the same.

The BIT includes Chimaea, of course, it's autonomous nation-state Street Island, the Republic of Clock Hill, The Democratic States of Snuffopolis, the Dictatorship of New Rastonia (with it's excellent civil rights and its improving political rights), the Commonwealth of Blafu (as a non-military member), The Kingdom of Toot Toot and the Principality of Walking Carpets.

The BIT is also connected to the Baron Counter Terrorist Organisation, which is a paramilitary intelligence organisation for the purpose of hunting down terrorism, which would gladly share intelligence with this alliance.

(Nice quote from Starship Troopers, Athel Nora! Damn, I love that book...)



*Official Response from Crownguard*


The nation of Crownguard, despite prejudices to the contrary, supports the spread of human rights. A person in our society is judged solely on how they help everyone else; each person serves a capacity and crime is nil. However, we are somewhat disturbed by the idea that people can have their hard earned work taken away and given to others, that is cheating others of their proper due, and breeds resentment. Second, Crownguard is somewhat alarmed at the idea that negligence of atrocities willsolve them. This is utter folly, only by proper force can an oppressive regime be removed, "Force, naked violence has solved more issues than anything else in history", all the plaintive wailing will not suffice.

Hence, Crownguard will support said alliance and be willing to trade with them. In addition, we will provide material aid as we feel necessary, as well as availing said nations with our elite military for a severe reduction in fee (HONORABLE mercenary army, but loyal to Crownguard first). However, we do not feel we can join at this particular junction in time. We offer our severe regrets, however, wisht o remain on good terms with said member nations.

Tercero Xavier Delryn
3rd in Command of Crownguard
Head of Military and Foreign Affairs

The Principality of Roania condemns this rather pathetic and sad alliance, dedicated to meddling in other nation's matters. We feel that this is a matter of privacy, and would ask under what circumstances you would attack?

We shall not recognise this so-called 'alliance' as a legitimate body, nor shall we allow it's illegal inspectors access to Roania.

Official Statement from Duke Leopold Darquis
Minister of Foriegn Affairs and Trade for the Principality of Roania
2nd in command of Colonial Governance

OOC: I love the book, though please notice that I added a few things.
IC:
Point taken about the first two things but
1. Nations are made of indivuduals and the undisputable rights are soppused to be for individuals.
2.
a) If people don't have to fight to keep their liberty/freedom than they will forget how valubual it is and voluntarly lose it.
b) It is impossible to make everyone happy becouse everyone will always want to be happier.
3. The challenge existed, exits and will exist, though you may be ready but the rest of the world most probably is not. A handful of nations is to little.
The call is heard by all, only a few listen.

The Principality of Roania condemns this rather pathetic and sad alliance, dedicated to meddling in other nation's matters. We feel that this is a matter of privacy, and would ask under what circumstances you would attack?

We shall not recognise this so-called 'alliance' as a legitimate body, nor shall we allow it's illegal inspectors access to Roania.

Official Statement from Duke Leopold Darquis
Minister of Foriegn Affairs and Trade for the Principality of Roania
2nd in command of Colonial GovernanceAnd what of Roania? You have interfered on behalf of the elves on more occassions than I can count. We do what you do, except without the invasion force.

As I said, if all negotiation fails, either through interference from other nations, or from the other side refusing to give ground, we will threaten military reprisal. If that does not work, we will use a small force to show what we can do. If that does not work, we procede with the goals of the negotiation through military force.

Athel:

1: Yes they are, but the questions that were posed cannot be ansered by me as they are up to the individuals, not the government.

2: a) True, but if you have responsible leaders, the people will not lose much, if any.
b) Of course, we know that. In the meantime, while the strive for more happiness, they are happy. Just not as much as they'd like.

3: So, because the many do not hear, the few should not try?

OOC: The Roanian Government is the only government on the side of goodness that can match MU in terms of oppresion and evil.

Questions and Criticisms

1. Can we safely assume that none of the nations involved in this coalition have any sort of affirmative action programs in place? (Doctrine II)

2. You're not allowing nations the right to abstain from a vote in a time of crisis? (Article II)

3. Fifteen percent of the nation's military is pretty steep. Asking nations to devote a full ten percent of their national income to this coalition is ridiculous. (Articles I, III, and V)

4. Article IV practically protects technological espionage. Also, nations whose "scientific facilities" are privately owned can't guarantee that they'll cooperate.

5. A free nation cannot pledge the lives, fortunes, or sacred honor of its citizens to any cause. That is a decision to be made by the individual citizens. (Article VII)

Courtesy of:
Robert Connor, Chief Justice
James Weston, Attorney General

1. Elaborate, please...

2. This depends on the crisis in question. Nations can abstain, but under extreme circumstances. The importance of the circumstance in question will be evaluated at the time.

3. 10% may be steep, 5% indeed may be a better proposition.

4. If the scientific facilities are privately owned, than they are not technically 'theirs'.

5. The nations individuals are allowed their freedom to decide their stance. It is the governments who we refer to pledging their Lives, their Fortunes, and their Sacred Honor.

Now onto this post...

The Money Dilemma:
-When I posted the two Articles requiring 10%, I didn't think that would be too much seeing as how one of them would already be part of our budgets (foreign aid), and I didn't think an additional 5% would be that big a deal. How very wrong I was... apparently.

I think a wise choice regarding this issue would be to keep the foreign aid demand at 5%, whilst lowering the Treasury to 1% or 2%.

I am compelled to remind everyone that it is not your GDP this comes out of... it comes from our Annual National Income, that is, the money you make yearly from taxing your people.

The Commonwealth of Chimaea:
-Your application for membership has been recieved and noted. We must be absolutely sure... you wish to become a full Coalition member?

The Free Land of Psylos,
The Empire of Eris Kallisti, &
The Empire of Crownguard:
-Your support has been noted and logged, thank you for assisting us.

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I think a wise choice regarding this issue would be to keep the foreign aid demand at 5%, whilst lowering the Treasury to 1% or 2%.

I am compelled to remind everyone that it is not your GDP this comes out of... it comes from our Annual National Income, that is, the money you make yearly from taxing your people.

Actually Psylos is communist. We have 100% tax rate, which means that our Annual National Income is equal to our GDP.
But anyway, paying 1 or 2% or 5% of our GDP for the treasury is not that much of an issue. The real issue is that we would like to know what this money will be used for. Will there be some kind of an army maintained in order to put pressure on countries or is this just for funding the bureaucrats and various inspectors and investigations of the organisation?