NationStates Jolt Archive

Yes, you read it rightly, torture has been legalized in the Holy Empire of Kecha, this has been done for the purpose of extracting information from suspected terrorists, a special unit has been formed that will specialize in torture and information extraction, this unit is called the Geber des Schmerzes, this translates into Givers of Pain, this unit is classed as a Sub-Branch of the National Guard, methods of torture that they are trained to use are classified heavily.

Ours Torture methods are not so classifed as we have never stopped the practice. We still carry out the fine arts of torture of the middle ages.

We always torture terrorists and major criminals to extract infomation, if they are proven guilty.

Hey, it is better than execution.

We don't use the word torture ... just Extreme Coercion

The United Socialist States of Renard comdems the legalisation and institionalisation of torture. How any country can claim to be enlighted whilst endorsing barbarism confounds us!

Ministry for Foreign Affairs

It seems the U.S.S.R. is the only objecting nation.

The Federal Republic of New York and New Jersey has used torture in the past to uncover plots against the government as well as plots against the nation as a whole. Our intelligence gathering agency the OSS would be glad to exchange tricks of the trade with counterparts from Kecha if they would like. We have developed several rather effective techniques for dealing with torture.

The Federal Republic of New York and New Jersey has used torture in the past to uncover plots against the government as well as plots against the nation as a whole. Our intelligence gathering agency the OSS would be glad to exchange tricks of the trade with counterparts from Kecha if they would like. We have developed several rather effective techniques for dealing with torture. So have we, but the exchange could prove interesting.

...The progeny of our time.

-Nik

It seems the U.S.S.R. is the only objecting nation.

Surely, no genuinely liberal government could not object?

It seems the U.S.S.R. is the only objecting nation.

Surely, no genuinely liberal government could not object? Just because we made torture legal, and formed the Geber des Schmerzes, that's not proof we're a bunch of phsycopaths or something.

I object to the use of toture to extract information from prisoners becuase what if they are proven innocent? You have tortured an innocent man!!!!

I object to the use of toture to extract information from prisoners becuase what if they are proven innocent? You have tortured an innocent man!!!!

Celack!!!

-Nik

I object to the use of toture to extract information from prisoners becuase what if they are proven innocent? You have tortured an innocent man!!!! then they shall be compensated to the best of our abilities, but we don't torture without good reason.

It seems the U.S.S.R. is the only objecting nation.

Surely, no genuinely liberal government could not object?

Not only liberal, goddamnit, every humane nation should object! (See Celack's argument)

... and why are you people such lefties? Moderates rock...

It seems the U.S.S.R. is the only objecting nation.

Surely, no genuinely liberal government could not object?

Not only liberal, goddamnit, every humane nation should object! (See Celack's argument)

... and why are you people such lefties? Moderates rock... We're humane to the point where it doesn't impare us.

I object to the use of toture to extract information from prisoners becuase what if they are proven innocent? You have tortured an innocent man!!!!

Celack!!!

-Nikyes????

I object to the use of toture to extract information from prisoners becuase what if they are proven innocent? You have tortured an innocent man!!!!

Celack!!!

-Nikyes????

View the Ye Olde Schoole Clanne thread. You make the cut.

-Nik

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment.

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment. Your request is denied, the legalizing of torture is for the good of the people.

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, realize that a war would be futile, but we ask that you think of how you woul feel if you were tortured.

Xanthal used torture for several decades to extract information from convicted criminals, but the introduction of new age mind probing devices and truth drugs halted the practice. Torture is currently completely banned in Xanthal.

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, realize that a war would be futile, but we ask that you think of how you woul feel if you were tortured. Considering I did nothing and taking all other facts into account? I cannot answer, I've never been truly tortured, put through extensive Military training, but never really tortured, and yes, a war would be futile.
~Empress Kushrenada.

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment. Your request is denied, the legalizing of torture is for the good of the people.

The good of the people? Which people?

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment. Your request is denied, the legalizing of torture is for the good of the people.

The good of the people? Which people? The innocent people.
~Empress Kushrenada.

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment. Your request is denied, the legalizing of torture is for the good of the people.

The good of the people? Which people?

The god-dayum stinkin' party card-holdin' members, that's who!

-Nik

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment. Your request is denied, the legalizing of torture is for the good of the people.

The good of the people? Which people?

The god-dayum stinkin' party card-holdin' members, that's who!

-Nik If someone is innocent, and we know it, they will not be tortured.
~Unidentified.

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, will leave as there is little good we can do here.

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment. Your request is denied, the legalizing of torture is for the good of the people.

The good of the people? Which people? The innocent people.
~Empress Kushrenada.

I think my position could be summed by Heero:

"Is this your version of justice?"

Thank you, Heero.

the legalization of torture is in violation of the un charter, repeal your decision or get booted!

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment. Your request is denied, the legalizing of torture is for the good of the people.

The good of the people? Which people? The innocent people.
~Empress Kushrenada.

I think my position could be summed by Heero:

"Is this your version of justice?"

Thank you, Heero. An our response could be summed up by my good friend Aubrey.

"Yes, yes it is"

Thank you Aubrey.
~Empress Kushrenada.

the legalization of torture is in violation of the un charter, repeal your decision or get booted! We are not the UN's pet.
~Empress Kushrenada.

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment. Your request is denied, the legalizing of torture is for the good of the people.

The good of the people? Which people? The innocent people.
~Empress Kushrenada.

I think my position could be summed by Heero:

"Is this your version of justice?"

Thank you, Heero. An our response could be summed up by my good friend Aubrey.

"Yes, yes it is"

Thank you Aubrey.
~Empress Kushrenada.


Wufei?

"Is justice built on sacrifice truly just?"

Heero?

"Try to believe in the world around us now!"

We of Letila, decendents of the glorious nation of Terra Pvlchra, are strongly opposed to your decision on torture. We ask that you enact an amendment to protect your people's right not to suffer cruel or unusual punishment. Your request is denied, the legalizing of torture is for the good of the people.

The good of the people? Which people? The innocent people.
~Empress Kushrenada.

I think my position could be summed by Heero:

"Is this your version of justice?"

Thank you, Heero. An our response could be summed up by my good friend Aubrey.

"Yes, yes it is"

Thank you Aubrey.
~Empress Kushrenada.


Wufei?

"Is justice built on sacrifice truly just?"
Heero?

"Try to believe in the world around us now!"

Yes, if the sacrifice is for a good, just cause.

"The more you do this, the more the sacrifices are wasted! You should know that." ~H

"The more you do this, the more the sacrifices are wasted! You should know that." ~H Everything has a price, we will restrain ourselves when possible.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Yes, you read it rightly, torture has been legalized in the Holy Empire of Kecha, this has been done for the purpose of extracting information from suspected terrorists, a special unit has been formed that will specialize in torture and information extraction, this unit is called the Geber des Schmerzes, this translates into Givers of Pain, this unit is classed as a Sub-Branch of the National Guard, methods of torture that they are trained to use are classified heavily.

Well, that's not very nice.

~ Ambassador Dejure

Yes, you read it rightly, torture has been legalized in the Holy Empire of Kecha, this has been done for the purpose of extracting information from suspected terrorists, a special unit has been formed that will specialize in torture and information extraction, this unit is called the Geber des Schmerzes, this translates into Givers of Pain, this unit is classed as a Sub-Branch of the National Guard, methods of torture that they are trained to use are classified heavily.

Well, that's not very nice.

~ Ambassador Dejure Some would say not.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Yes, you read it rightly, torture has been legalized in the Holy Empire of Kecha, this has been done for the purpose of extracting information from suspected terrorists, a special unit has been formed that will specialize in torture and information extraction, this unit is called the Geber des Schmerzes, this translates into Givers of Pain, this unit is classed as a Sub-Branch of the National Guard, methods of torture that they are trained to use are classified heavily.

Well, that's not very nice.

~ Ambassador Dejure Some would say not.
~Empress Kushrenada.

To whom are you referring?

~ Ambassador Dejure

Everybody to the monkey! Boom shacka lacka...

-Nik

"The more you do this, the more the sacrifices are wasted! You should know that." ~H
Everything has a price, we will restrain ourselves when possible.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Remember that you are fighting a war against terrorists. And, according to Treize, "Remember this for the future. A war without civility gives rise to massacres." Ending the use of torture is one such civility.

"The more you do this, the more the sacrifices are wasted! You should know that." ~H
Everything has a price, we will restrain ourselves when possible.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Remember that you are fighting a war against terrorists. And, according to Treize, "Remember this for the future. A war without civility gives rise to massacres." Ending the use of torture is one such civility. We will not put an end to it.

Yes, you read it rightly, torture has been legalized in the Holy Empire of Kecha, this has been done for the purpose of extracting information from suspected terrorists, a special unit has been formed that will specialize in torture and information extraction, this unit is called the Geber des Schmerzes, this translates into Givers of Pain, this unit is classed as a Sub-Branch of the National Guard, methods of torture that they are trained to use are classified heavily.

Well, that's not very nice.

~ Ambassador Dejure Some would say not.
~Empress Kushrenada.

To whom are you referring?

~ Ambassador Dejure You, for one, me, for another.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Then your nation shall be plagued by massacres on the grandest scale. "You're the same as Treize, claiming to fight to protect the weak. But in fact you're actually not helping to protect the weak at all!" ~H

So despite your disliking for it, you do it anyway? Does it not disturb you that you overstep the boundaries of your own morals with such ease?

~ Ambassador Dejure

The Holy Empire of Istar has used torture for thousands of years to extract information from servants of darkness, on minotaur slaves, and from enemies of the state. We see nothing wrong with it and support Kecha in their new policy.

~Kingpriest Velorn X

This just proves you're loco.

It seems the U.S.S.R. is the only objecting nation.

Well, I'm a U.S.S.R Nation and he doesn't speak for me. We regularly shoot our terrorists, whether we've convicted them in court or not. Of course, we always make sure we get in some torture before; just to see if he's any use. We might as well refuse them a trial anyway, because all the judges are appointed by me. 8)

Ma-Tek: You have no room to speak, you are a Diplomat, not a ruler.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Tiburon: how do you judge us so easily?
~Empress Kushrenada.

we used to use tourture, but that is largly unnecessary. We have a superlative police force, and anyone beliueved to have commitied a crime of greater serveity of minor theft is executed IMMEADIETLY. This has put lots of judges out of business as there are no more trials.

OOC: No reponce for me? :cry:

Ma-Tek: You have no room to speak, you are a Diplomat, not a ruler.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Tiburon: how do you judge us so easily?
~Empress Kushrenada.

"This just proves you're loco." That was to Istar.

By terrorist, I also mean the following: environmental terrorists, political opponents, critics of the government, flag burners, those who don't practice the state religion, and Osama Bin Laden types. 8)

we used to use tourture, but that is largly unnecessary. We have a superlative police force, and anyone beliueved to have commitied a crime of greater serveity of minor theft is executed IMMEADIETLY. This has put lots of judges out of business as there are no more trials.

OOC: That's a little worse than torturing a few people, how ever bad torture is..

"This just proves you're loco." That was to Istar.

How DARE you speak of His Holiness in such a degrading manner? Apologise and beg for forgiveness from Paladine's Voice or suffer the Divine Punishment that shall come of this!

~First Son Palas

we used to use tourture, but that is largly unnecessary. We have a superlative police force, and anyone beliueved to have commitied a crime of greater serveity of minor theft is executed IMMEADIETLY. This has put lots of judges out of business as there are no more trials.

OOC: That's a little worse than torturing a few people, how ever bad torture is.. Our methods range from the "Slightly Unpleasant" to the "Just Plain Unholy"

Then your nation shall be plagued by massacres on the grandest scale, provoked by your own people. Your government is fighting a losing battle, fighting a war against its own people. "You're the same as Treize, claiming to fight to protect the weak. But in fact you're actually not helping to protect the weak at all!" ~H

Then your nation shall be plagued by massacres on the grandest scale, provoked by your own people. Your government is fighting a losing battle, fighting a war against its own people. "You're the same as Treize, claiming to fight to protect the weak. But in fact you're actually not helping to protect the weak at all!" ~H yours is no place from which to cast judgement.

How not so? Am I a naytion that routinely strips its own humans of their basic rights? Do I routinely destroy lives without any regard for their futures? No. Governments are created to protect citizens and their futures, not destroy them.

How not so? Am I a naytion that routinely strips its own humans of their basic rights? Do I routinely destroy lives without any regard for their futures? No. Governments are created to protect citizens and their futures, not destroy them. We protect by being brutal against those who seek to cause turmoil and chaos, and your position is not a proper place from which to cast judgement because it is your standpoint, not ours.

Is making them listen to speeches by Senator Robert Byrd considered torture?

Is making them listen to speeches by Senator Robert Byrd considered torture? Stop that you wierd person you.
~Empress Kushrenada.

hehe, actually I guess its more comedy than torture.

We just hope that noone of our scientific mission get accused of being a spy or something like that...Anyway, torture is legal in Aelosia in times of war, and in cases of horrible crimes.

Supreme ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral

How not so? Am I a naytion that routinely strips its own humans of their basic rights? Do I routinely destroy lives without any regard for their futures? No. Governments are created to protect citizens and their futures, not destroy them.

We protect by being brutal against those who seek to cause turmoil and chaos, and your position is not a proper place from which to cast judgement because it is your standpoint, not ours.

Just remember that torture is never a solution.

We just hope that noone of our scientific mission get accused of being a spy or something like that...Anyway, torture is legal in Aelosia in times of war, and in cases of horrible crimes.

Supreme ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral It might happen, let's hope not.

OOC: Interesting idea, I wouldn't know who to go after though :?:

How not so? Am I a naytion that routinely strips its own humans of their basic rights? Do I routinely destroy lives without any regard for their futures? No. Governments are created to protect citizens and their futures, not destroy them.

We protect by being brutal against those who seek to cause turmoil and chaos, and your position is not a proper place from which to cast judgement because it is your standpoint, not ours.

Just remember that torture is never a solution. I diagree, you cannot sway us.
~Empress Kushrenada.

There is no hope left for the nation of Kecha.

we here at The Dictatorship of The Crazy Karate Guy, consider torture a national past time and hobby. Quite frequently we take the homeless or abduct some foreign people in order to practice our torture methods. We applaud those nations that have begun the wonderful, family-fun practice of torture. We shall be offering free clinics on toture methods and painfully slow forms of execution for anyone interested.
-The Crazy Karate Guy :twisted:

<<secure encoded message to Empress Kushrenada>>

While I myself agree that such methods must be employed on occasion, I find it interesting that you so willingly, and so many others, felt a need to go public about it. I've found that some of the prime methods to being left alone to my own devices have been a pleasant public image, a tight-fisted control my nation and the goings on therein, and airtight spin to any unpleasantness that does happen to come to light. Why borrow trouble? There are far and away enough petty democracies hell bent on taking away the power from rightful rulers such as ourselves. I refuse to give them any more reason or access to do so.

All the same, I don't expect my methods to be those of others, and respect your decision to do as you have done. Best of luck in your endeavors, and may the cretins that have so accosted you with their so-called morality swiftly lose their taste for the hunt, and leave you to rule as you see fit.

--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

We think you all are insane fascist killers

We think you all are insane fascist killers

and your point is?

We think you all are insane fascist killers

OOC: I'm no fascist

IC:

"Why are they making this public?"

"We...don't know"

"Not a single positive effect"

"There is one. The population will fear the government"

"Contingency theory. It depends on the situation whether that is a good thing"

"Granted. We will wait and see"

(Council thoughtstream)

There is nothing to see. There is nothing to hear or speak. A blackness has enveloped Kecha.

<<secure encoded message to Empress Kushrenada>>

While I myself agree that such methods must be employed on occasion, I find it interesting that you so willingly, and so many others, felt a need to go public about it. I've found that some of the prime methods to being left alone to my own devices have been a pleasant public image, a tight-fisted control my nation and the goings on therein, and airtight spin to any unpleasantness that does happen to come to light. Why borrow trouble? There are far and away enough petty democracies hell bent on taking away the power from rightful rulers such as ourselves. I refuse to give them any more reason or access to do so.

All the same, I don't expect my methods to be those of others, and respect your decision to do as you have done. Best of luck in your endeavors, and may the cretins that have so accosted you with their so-called morality swiftly lose their taste for the hunt, and leave you to rule as you see fit.

--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion:ENCRYPTED: Thank you for wishing us luck.
~Empress Kushrenada.