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After a general vote has been held, here are the results:

68% voted to move to space.
32% voted to stay on Earth.

The nation of Scandinavian States has offered a planet to us, and the offer is being reviewed. However, we have discovered other planets, and we are determining whether we would rather have a planet with a cold climate, or a planet with a temperate one.

Here are the planets we have discovered:
http://hometown.aol.com/fudgecracker15/space.html

All land images are that of the top left planet, which we have currently named Palurin. It is a desirable place to live, and the city shown is one that we may possibly build there.

However, if any nations have colder planets to offer, with photographs of the surface, it would be greatly appreciated. :)

We wonder if this is not the planet once known as Irusus. Owned by a race of manevolents who once ruled several parts of the galaxy before the collapse of the Order. If so we give warning, and offer our assistance in helping you to colonize this planet. We do not ask for much more than a few thousand acres to build a base, we look to regain the stars from our fall, and have spent many years reconstructing the Lords of Creation technology.

Many of the Great Houses look to the stars as our rightful place, we offer our services to help in your quest to settle this planet. Or, to buy it from you if you decide to buy another planet.

The Republic has no indication that the planet we have discovered was once Irusus. We will refuse your offer to build a base upon the planet we will soon colonize. We have no business with you, and have never dealt with your nation in affairs. Surely you may understand. If you do not, perhaps you can look up our history-we're fairly paranoid because of past events.

~Office of Foreign Affairs.

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OOC:

I'm going to try to post a "navy" ( :roll: ) soon. Also, after I do that, I'm going to fast-forward the couple hundred years it would take to get to Palurin. Don't be surprised to see a change in government or change in structure. :wink:

As further incentive to come to Tharkad, we have several offers for you.

1) Tharkad has several mines that have a diamond that can be only found on Tharkad. Even when it is cut, polished, and finished it has a slight frosty look to it while still retaining all of the features that make a diamond recognizable for what it is. If you do come to Tharkad, two of the ten diamond mines will be yours.

2) There is a species of bear similar to Terra's Polar Bears. Given their abundance, a controlled hunting and fur trading industry has sprung up. On your country's arrival on Tharkad, your government would get 5% of the Ghost Bear habitat to do with as you please.

3) There is a an astroid belt that is absolutely lousy with heavy and valuable metals, your nation would get 10% mining rights on your arrival and settlement on Tharkad. We could also provide you with any equipment to help your mining companies start their operations in the resource belt.

We have just two things we would like for you to do:

1) Sign a mutual defense pact, to help defend the system.
2) Submit the names of ambassadors and countries they are from so that we may review them, as Tharkad is in the same system as our three (not including Tharkad) primary extra-terrestrial planets.

Scandinavian States, your offer is accepted. We will set our primary home on Tharkad. Thank you graciously. Our large Navy will be able to defend the systems sufficiently. :)

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Penguinatan Space Navy:


Pladaii Class Civilian Dropship
http://www.aniway.fi/taustakuvat/gallery1/images/ship.jpg
There are currently 800 Pladaiis in service. The number will likely be sized down after the big move.

Tyrna Class Power Supply Ship
http://www.mindspring.com/~paster/images/shipcomp.30.jpg
There are currently 25 Tyrnas in service. More may be constructed.

Fauken Class Corvette
http://sean.adventureteam.com/pages/gallery/bshell.jpg
There are currently 100 Faukens in service. More may be constructed.

Montair Class Armed Dropship
http://www.productionillustration.com/images/ffmini.jpg
There are currently 400 Montairs in service. More will be constructed.

Vistnok Class Fighter/Bomber
http://tomcapizzi.com/imagesHi/cgMech/shipRen02.jpg
There are currently 400 Vistnoks in service. More will be constructed.

Dermon Class Interceptor
http://www.drcreations.net/art/starf.jpg
The Dermon is the pride of the Penguinatan Space Navy, as far as small craft go. It is the newest and most technologically advanced spacecraft in the Navy. There are currently 400 Dermons. More will be constructed.

New Shreveport Class Transport
http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/shigeru/images/storion7-sf.jpg
The New Shreveport is a public, civilian transport intended for inter-ship travel. It can be used for surface-orbit travel, but usually is not. In the case of the Move, it will be. There are currently 400 New Shreveports. More will be constructed.

Mintaiu Class Corvette
http://www.maxoncomputer.com/images/gallery/trek.jpg
There are currently 100 Mintaius in service. More may be constructed.

Vobren Class Juggernaut
http://www.maxoncomputer.com/gallery_detail.asp?imageSrc=h_carrier_01.jpg
There are currently 10 Vobrens in service. More may be constructed.

Fualo Class Carrier
http://www.gilsostartrekschematics.co.uk/shipgallery/shipgallery5/varro.jpg
There are currently 10 Fualos in service. That number will not change. Each carrier can hold up to 400 small craft, and each Fualo is 4 km long.

Mikolis Science Cruiser
http://www.subliminal-design.com/galleryimages/spacecruiser.jpg
Although not for military use, the Mikolis provides a very valuable asset to the Penguinatan Navy. Military research can be conducted on the Mikolis. There are currently 15 MSCs in service.

Vokan Class Hospital Ship
http://www.gilsostartrekschematics.co.uk/shipgallery/shipgallery1/dinaalhospship.jpg
There are 4 Vokans in service.


Alphante Class Battleship
http://www.evula.org/tnjo/ships/mc1.jpg
There are currently 10 Alphantes in service.

Mistari Class Destroyer
http://www.godrod.com/bsm/hist/images/montroq.gif
There are currently 15 Mistaris in service.

Restaa Class Fighter
http://www.novatech.net/ann/thumbnails/two/03_sm.jpg
There are 200 Restaas in service.

Borna Class Juggernaught
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Hallman/Confed/Fleet/CapitalShips/Valiant/valiant4.jpg
There are currently 2 Bornas in service. They are guards for our flagship, the PSS Miona. (seen below)

Nightingale Class Mining Ship
http://www.gilsostartrekschematics.co.uk/shipgallery/shipgallery2/nightingale.jpg
There are currently 5 Nightingales in service.

Vlanti Class Dreadnought
http://devan1.tripod.com/Pics/DREADNAUGHT.JPG
There are 4 Vlantis in service. They serve as command ships for the four fleets of the Penguinatan Space Navy. More may be constructed as the Navy grows.

Uraen Class Cruiser
http://www.kroell-net.de/opt/pictures/bsg_bop.jpg%20
There are currently 20 Uraens in service. More may be constructed.

Yeira Class Patrol Ship
http://www.cstone.net/~martan/gallery/ship.jpg
There are currently 10 Yeiras in service. They are a whopping 6 km long, a force to be reckoned with. They are heavily armed, and serve as guards for the PSS Miona.

PSS MIONA
http://www.gilsostartrekschematics.co.uk/shipgallery/shipgallery2/ordmiritminingship.jpg
This is the mother of all ships, the 6 km-long Yeira is tiny in comparison to this monster. Equipped with the latest and greatest of technological defenses, this ship rules all the Navy, and the nation. The Miona has been in construction for many years in orbit, and has recently been completed. The Miona is certainly a power to be reckoned with.

Palakin Orbit Station
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/factfiles/borg-queen-ship.jpg
This orbit station is staying above Earth, in order to protect our Earth settlements. It is capable of holding 10 corvettes at one time, and is a massive monster, at 10 km tall and 5 km wide.
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Isla de Penguinata has officially left Earth. The last of those who wished to leave have left in full. A total of 21 million decided to stay on Earth.
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OOC:

I'll post the fleets soon, I know you don't think that my entire navy is combined into one fleet. :wink:

Well, this is as good a place as any:

1. Moving a few hundred million people to another planet is a bad joke. Even with massive foreign help (Which is the only possibility to make it theoretically possible). Your population GROWS, what makes it even harder. Not only that, but the complete national infrastructure of the old nation is given up, a COMPLETELY NEW one has to be build. The socioeconomic results of moving a nation of said several million people to another planet are, in one word, ruinous, any nation that doesn`t RP it by RPing an imploded economy for several months, if possible with civil wars, the complete breakdown of social order, technological decline, etc, is staging a godmode.

Unfortunately, many NS- nations use this technique, moving to another planets, as a nice excuse for 'I hit you, but you can`t hit me!' tactics, leaving the largest part of their military on earth while moving out the civilians (Supply lines don`t matter, sure). AMF was one of the first, followed by others, including Scandinavian States.

Of course, the soldiers don´t seem to have a problem with living apart from their relatives for their, ummm, entire life. Nor does the nation have any need to defend their new planet.

Of course, it`s also nice to know one can meddle in earth affairs without fearing retribution...

Ok, I don´t know if this is intended here, but previous examples show a high chance that it will happen...

So, to put it in a simple question:

Where did you guys hang around when god gave men brains?

Edit: And for gods sake resize pictures >.<

:shock:

http://www.dragon-tails.com/folio/ship.jpg

My troop transports! *grumble**grumble*

I agree... resize the pictures for one thing... and second... don't switch technology eras suddenly... did you just suddenly give up modern tech and you wanted to recreate as future tech? Cuz that certainly wouldn't be an IC action...
And lastly... if you want real ships, come to me ;)

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ccsig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69082)

Ok, critics.

I've been planning on doing this for a while. Which means I've been planning ICly. It's not so hard to save money every day. I've taken into account all of the above, and since my people are in cryo-hubs, they won't be having too many babies. :P Those who stayed on earth, yes, the population will grow there. But for the time being, very few are actually concious and active, and even those will be put in the cryo-hubs. Kinda like shifts.

Der angst, I'm certainly not running away, putting myself in a "safe" position, or anything like that. I'm keeping two modern-tech divisions for all modern-tech conflicts. One will be on Earth, the other will be on Tharkad. I don't intend on saying "well haha! Now I'm safe, you can't hurt me!" I would never do that. A good way to hurt me would be easy-simply destroy my fleet if it were in Earth orbit, and then get a space-tech ally to crush me from there.

And I can't resize the pictures, I'm sorry. That's why I put "large pic warning" on the thread.

My intentions are not to become invincible. I just find the nature of being a space nation a thrill.

I'm soon to post my fleets. :wink:

:shock:

http://www.dragon-tails.com/folio/ship.jpg

My troop transports! *grumble**grumble*

Hehe. There's only so many sites on the internet. :)

OOC: What i am saying is... it is NOT an IC action suddenly buy star destroyers and Space cruisers... if 2 years ago you were using boats and airplanes...

OOC: What i am saying is... it is NOT an IC action suddenly buy star destroyers and Space cruisers... if 2 years ago you were using boats and airplanes...

Who said I *bought* them? How do you know my nation hasn't been creating them for decades?

Ah yes, secret military programs are always the best. :D

And Crimmond, I'm changing that carrier. You can keep your beloved troop transport. :P

We have a habitable planet that we think would suit your needs very well.
-Beta Pictoris I (full claim, no establishment, polar desert, Beta Pictoris system).
We claim the entire Beta Pictoris system though, so you'll either have to move there as a Xanthalian Protectorate, or buy it from us.

Xanthal, at the moment, one planet is sufficient for us. We kindly thank you for the offer, however. :)

OK... just say IDP is magically teleporting itself 500 years into the future and that's all you have to do... you don't have to do all this BS...

*sigh*
*gives up*

A shame... About all that planet is good for is habitation by cold-weather species. It has no strategic value, lies on no major trade routes... Oh well, mabye we'll test weapons on it.

OK... just say IDP is magically teleporting itself 500 years into the future and that's all you have to do... you don't have to do all this BS...

*sigh*
*gives up*

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Let's say that IdP is going to be traveling on damn ships for 500 years? What, did you think that I was just suddenly make big ships and pop up on Tharkad in a matter of NS months? I think not, that would be ridiculous.

About your criticism of my building these craft in "modern times", the NS world is much different than the real one. There are many space nations in NS, who says I couldn't be influenced by them? Who says I couldn't get the technology from them? It's possible. Maybe not in RL, but in NS, having giant colonies of bees that attack humans is possible. :P

<Global Transmission>

As the nation of Isla de Penguinata is currently at war with Whispering Voices on not one, but two fronts - assisting the slaver Resi Corporation and the rogue murderous nation Automagfreek (losing a huge number of his troops that magically appeared in Automagfreek as that nation disappeared into a black hole) - any space assets of Isla de Penguinata or engaged in business with Isla de Penguinata will be attacked.

All elements of the Whispering Voices space fleet have been notified to destroy Isla de Penguinata assets. Especially since Scandivian States has recently suffered massive losses over Automagfreek; resistance is expected to be minor.

We are of course sorry for the immense loss of troops and materiel Isla de Penguinata suffered during Automagfreek's disappearance - if only our blockades had been as effective as we hoped, those men and women might still be alive today.

OOC:
Last paragraph is only if you did take casualties from AMF's destruction. I mean, since you were landed there and all I can't see why you wouldn't - but then I don't think a nation's ever blown itself up with an entire allied army on it before. LOL.

I know I've shown this several times, but I just want to put it out there. :-P

700,000 troops armed with frag grenades and M-101s (Starship trooper gun)

20 EM-140 Beluga Frigates
40 Gauntlet Class Frigates
50 Bodkin Class Frigates

25 XEV-NAPD Destroyers

350 GMC-181 Guided Missile Cruisers
300 Fast Attack Boats
400 Bora Class Guided Missile Corvettes

10 Sentinel 4 Submarines
30 XEV-NSAS Submarines

5 XEV-NACV Aircraft Carriers (see list below)

PSS Victoria 100 F-22s, 50 Su-47s, and 50 Ospreys
PSS Republica 100 F-22s, 50 MiG-25s, and 50 Ospreys
PSS Capitalist 100 F-22s, 50 Yak-141s, and 50 Ospreys
PSS Hannity 150 XEV-FIAV Fighters and 50 Ospreys
PSS Ronald Reagan 100 F-16s, 50 MiG-25s, and 50 Ospreys

25 Support Frigates
15 Oil Tankers
100 Mark V Special Operations Crafts


300 XEV-FIAV Fighters
250 Su-47s
250 MiG-25s
250 Yak-141s
300 F-22s

200 B-52s
100 B1B Lancers
50 B-2 Stealth Bombers
50 B-3 Stealth Bombers
500 XEV-SBA Stealth Bombers
100 KC-135 Aerial Refuelers
400 C-141 Starlifters
400 C-135s
25 AWACs

700 T-90s
700 AAAVs
900 APCs
450 M60 Pattons
400 Paladin self-propelled Howitzer
700 T-95s
500 M3 Bradleys
500 Type 98 Chinese MBTs
400 M1A2 Abrams
400 K1A1 MBTs
350 K1 ARVs
350 K1 AVLBs
300 Uh-60 Black Hawks
200 Apache Longbows
500 Chinooks
300 Ospreys
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The naval forces have arrived about 15 miles off the coast of Automagfreek. Other forces are landing in fields all over AMF, awaiting orders from their commanders on where to move. Those same commanders are awaiting orders from Arctique City, who is awaiting confirmation from Damien Dreadfire on where to move our troops. :P

Colonel Joshua Palmer was peering through his binoculars over the horizon. His brigade had just landed, and was resting. He took the binoculars down, and looked up into the blue sky. He could see several dots, they were most certainly the dozens of spacecraft defending this godforsaken land. He turned to look back upon the earth, and realized the feat ahead of him. He turned and walked back under the army tent, where they had rigged up a crude communications system.
"Col., you've got a transmission!" Palmer wondered what it could be this time. Maybe it was a lost contigent of troops..

It appears that the enemies are massing their efforts, and the invasion is not too far off. Secure the areas you hold, until further orders are given. If a town is nearby, secure it also. If the attack should happen within the next 72 hours, the responsibility lies with your brigade of securing and protecting any civilian you can. Good luck, commander.

Palmer looked grave, and he immediately gave orders to his staff to report to the platoon sergeants. They would ready themselves, there was a town about 20 km north of their position. It was time..
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OOC: You know, I find it incredibly irritating that people can't even spell my name right, even when they get close it still isn't right.

DA: I only have a small military presence on Earth and even that's changing. I'm currently in the process of moving all of my remaining Earth assets to Tempest System.

WV: I took no losses from that attack of your for three reasons. One, I moved my fleet from AMF orbit and pretty much pulled out of the war before AMF formally accepted the Angelus peace treaty, I want nothing to do with your crusade. Two, AMF ignored the war, so I see no reason not to do so. Three, spying on a private forum is grounds for an ignore, the precedent was set during the Melkor wars, but I will only ignore your attack.

OOC:

Just b/c AMF quit, does NOT mean all my stuff magically disappeared. :x I'm preparing to bring those home (to the Arctique Island colony) soon. No known casualties were taken, as all the action occurred above the surface, not on it.

IC:

If Whispering Voices should take any action against the Penguinatan Navy while it is in such a vulnerable state, full retaliation will take place. Virtually all ships have at least some civilians on them, we did not have the time or money to create ships solely for the purpose of civilians, other than transports and dropships.

Do not attack our nation. We are simply standing up for our allies. However, we are no longer fighting alongside Automagfreek, because that nation is no more. Also, your objection to our intervention in the Rekindled Resi War has also caused our exodus of that conflict. Therefore, we are in no wars or conflicts right now.

This is to the international community: Any attack by Whispering Voices will be seen as an immediate declaration of war, and will be treated as such. If WV does attack us, we will rally with our allies to provide a swift counter-attack on WV.

Currently all ships have been set to Guarded, and will not attack unless attacked upon. We wish for no war with Whispering Voices, though we are quite concerned that they do not care.

~Office of Foreign Affairs.

WV: I took no losses from that attack of your for three reasons. One, I moved my fleet from AMF orbit and pretty much pulled out of the war before AMF formally accepted the Angelus peace treaty, I want nothing to do with your crusade. Two, AMF ignored the war, so I see no reason not to do so. Three, spying on a private forum is grounds for an ignore, the precedent was set during the Melkor wars, but I will only ignore your attack.

Aka "I don`t take losses because you suck and i`m invincible! Leave my precious ships alone!" *cry*

OOC: Stop highjacking, if you have something relevent to say then do so and leave.

Stop spamming my thread before I get it locked and ignore all of you idiots. (Excluding Scandavian (yay) States)

This is a thread about me moving to Tharkad, not a thread about how space-tech is stupid. :roll:

This is to the international community: Any attack by Whispering Voices will be seen as an immediate declaration of war, and will be treated as such. If WV does attack us, we will rally with our allies to provide a swift counter-attack on WV.

So be it. Until reparations are made in full and a public apology tendered on international broadcast for your assistance of a mad, rogue nation, your assets will be fired upon. This is your last warning.

In addition, we feel that allies will be hard to come by as the world witnesses the destruction of the rest of Automagfreek's allies.

As for Scandavian States, we laugh at their worthless space-debris.

OOC:
Scandavian States, you merely moved your fleets to a higher orbital level. Unless it was totally out of orbit, that won't change the fact you got attacked in the mass area effect of the initial barrage. You didn't pull out at all. Two, Automagfreek ignored the war because he left Nationstates. No valid reason IC, he just didn't want to play it. That would imply that you were leaving Nationstates too! Thirdly, spies exist and if a member of Chromestar happens to betray y'all - your problem. Feel free to ignore the attack, or even me entirely - just have the grace to admit that it is because you don't want to take losses.

The Republic of Isla de Penguinata was merely living up to its duty as an ally and friend to defend Automagfreek. AMF will forever be our friend, and has been for a long time. For us to apologize for coming to its aid would be an insult and act of distrust to our ally.

In addition, we feel that allies will be hard to come by as the world witnesses the destruction of the rest of Automagfreek's allies.

As for Scandavian States, we laugh at their worthless space-debris.


The nation of Whispering Voices has spoken like a true warmonger. AMF was not a danger to the world, only to you. You feared its power and might, you feared the way Automagfreek had so many friends. You were jealous and afraid of it.

Isla de Penguinata has no issues with your nation, and you have not given sufficient reason for attacking us. The only reason you have given so far is helping AMF, which is and was our duty.

If WV should fire upon any of our vessels, we will act swiftly. Our allies and friends will rally behind us, and you will face yet another obstacle in your goal of becoming the world power.

No apology will be given. We have done nothing wrong. However, we would like to talk this over, find a way to peacefully resolve it. What are your rifts with us? Why are you angry with our nation? What interest are we to you? We hope these questions may be answered, and that war may be averted. We sincerely have no desire to quarrel with your nation.
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OOC: That was pathetic, wrong, and a godmode of you to post that private message. You ICly had no idea what was going on, because it was not open to the public. We should all treat private forums as transmissions that we never even knew existed. :roll:

This is to the international community: Any attack by Whispering Voices will be seen as an immediate declaration of war, and will be treated as such. If WV does attack us, we will rally with our allies to provide a swift counter-attack on WV.

So be it. Until reparations are made in full and a public apology tendered on international broadcast for your assistance of a mad, rogue nation, your assets will be fired upon. This is your last warning.

In addition, we feel that allies will be hard to come by as the world witnesses the destruction of the rest of Automagfreek's allies.

As for Scandavian States, we laugh at their worthless space-debris.

An attack on IdPian civilians will not be tolerated. I would hate to call the ILRN in on this, because even though I do not have space assets to directly handle this, the other members do, you can be sure of that. So back off of IdP, you will not punish him for standing by his ally.

Warmonger? Nay. We sought to bring peace to the nation of Automagfreek - and were willing to allow such to be brought by the ... nation ... of Angelus, until one of Automagfreek's own allies spoke to us of this treachery, this peace of lies!

We had no reason to fear Automagfreek, having barely had any dealings with them at all. We acted entirely for reasons of compassion and mercy.

However, because we are not the warmongers - we are willing to enter into talks with Isla de Penguinata over this matter - although we suggest that you do not move any ships into orbit during the period of the talks, as our assets have been left with orders to shoot such.

Whispering Voices considers itself hostile to Isla de Penguinata because on two seperate occasions Isla de Penguinata has opposed us militarily. The war against Resi Corporation is perhaps understandable - your culture may indeed be one that approves of slavery - however siding with a nation responsible for genocide and open torture (that being Automagfreek) is despicable.

As reparations, Whispering Voices would wish to see Isla de Penguinata make an immediate, public, and indepently-confirmed donation to the Cardinal Duras Memorial Fund (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79974) of $500 billion dollars, stating to said fund the reason for its donation - an atonement of sin for standing alongside an evil nation! We hope you will agree to this - frankly - reasonable offer.


OOC:
Alright. My personal opinion is that the message boards are IC, because IC actions will happen as a result of the posts there. That might not be the exact form of a diplomatic message between Automagfreek and his allies - after all, most people play things up in public forums and just do terse messages without the pressure to roleplay in private ones - however I still think the fact it's got an IC point (I'm doing x because y) makes it IC. As does the fact Angelus denied it IC, implying that such a thing had taken place IC and needed to be denied - although that could be reading too much into the situation.

Anyway, if someone with privileges to receive Automagfreek's IC communications does so and then passes them on in exchange for not being hit in a war, that's fair game. People post telegrams that are IC all the time (although posting OOC telegrams is bad).

An attack on IdPian civilians will not be tolerated. I would hate to call the ILRN in on this, because even though I do not have space assets to directly handle this, the other members do, you can be sure of that.

We heard the same song from the allies of Automagfreek, currently drifting in dead shards through the cold, uncaring stellar seas.

This is to the international community: Any attack by Whispering Voices will be seen as an immediate declaration of war, and will be treated as such. If WV does attack us, we will rally with our allies to provide a swift counter-attack on WV.

So be it. Until reparations are made in full and a public apology tendered on international broadcast for your assistance of a mad, rogue nation, your assets will be fired upon. This is your last warning.

In addition, we feel that allies will be hard to come by as the world witnesses the destruction of the rest of Automagfreek's allies.

As for Scandavian States, we laugh at their worthless space-debris.

OOC:
Scandavian States, you merely moved your fleets to a higher orbital level. Unless it was totally out of orbit, that won't change the fact you got attacked in the mass area effect of the initial barrage. You didn't pull out at all. Two, Automagfreek ignored the war because he left Nationstates. No valid reason IC, he just didn't want to play it. That would imply that you were leaving Nationstates too! Thirdly, spies exist and if a member of Chromestar happens to betray y'all - your problem. Feel free to ignore the attack, or even me entirely - just have the grace to admit that it is because you don't want to take losses.

OOC: We didn't pull out? That's funny, I distinctly recall moving my fleets out of the combat zone entirely and would have only returned had the war gone on, which I thought was unlikely because I knew of the Angelus/AMF negotiations. My involvment in that war ended when the initial peace treaty was signed, so I'm going to just act like the attack never happened, because I have another fleet in Tempest and believe me when I tell you that your fleet won't come out of it alive if you restart a war I don't even want.

IC:

Our policy is as such: we urge IdP to issue an appology, they don't have to mean it, it just has to be issued. We note though that Whispering Voices seems to be starting a war over a nation that doesn't exist and does so on the intelligence of another nation. We flatly deny any statements being publicly made to the effect that said intelligence indicated.

On two separate occasions, you attempted to attack my allies. I should be the one attacking you right now, not the other way around. However, our troops never fired a single shot on yours, nor did they ever see your forces.

We do not approve of slavery, and never have. The Resi Corporation does not support slavery outright, and I'd like hard evidence of that. Your stretching of other facts lead me to believe that this is a blatant lie.

We refuse to donate any money to this "fund", which we do not believe is fully accurate, and we don't trust it. We are gladly donating $250 billion to the Red Cross and Red Crescent each. Those are both charitable organizations, and we are happy doing it. However, we do not do it in the name of "atonement for standing alongside an evil nation," nor in the name of "reparations". We do it for peace and prosperity, and to help mankind in general.

If you don't accept this, then it's obvious that peace is not your goal.

~President of Isla de Penguinata.

OOC:

I have to go. I'll be back later. Keep it goin' though. :)

Having received the transmission of the Isla de Penguinata, we have the following things to say:

Stretching of facts? You insult us by accusing us of lying now, despite the fact you claim to want peace almost as much as we?

We are not affiliated with the Cardinal Dumas Memorial Fund excepting in that our nation's official religion is Catholicism. You may confirm this by noting the fact that we were present neither in the foundation of said Fund nor the religious conference from which it sprung. That is where the money should go, as that is the term for peace.

Peace is our goal, however a peace of our choosing - since both times, you were the aggressor - sending in forces against evils that we had already deployed to fight against.

We also note to Scandavian States that the nation did exist and its disappearance does not excuse its defenders.

OOC:
Alright. Quick note to Scandavian States: your post does not say you were leaving the combat zone entirely. What it does say is that you broke orbit and then moved around Star League space (Automagfreek, and Neo Wu which is very close). Please quit with the threats OOC - it's pretty self-evident which side won and lost this war. Casualty reports are still awaited (although, to be honest, not expected) from the rest of your side, and should be pretty horrific.

OOC: It also said that a general message was issued that any attack against Star League ships over Star League space would be considered an act of war, that means we're pretty much done with the war unless someone actually attacks. Now, you'll notice that that post was one of my last in the war thread, does that not tell you I was done with the war? Why don't you be like Vortex Corperation and make peace stick? Now, I'm going to ignore the attack for the simple reason that I haven't been in that thread and had no chance to even preempt you. If you want to start a new war over the fact that I supported an supported an ally by attacking both fleets then go ahead, but keep in mind that you'll also be attacking civilians as we are completing our move to Tempest System.

Anyways, this is derailing the thread, if you still want to talk then send me a T-gram.

The Penguinatan government merely made those statements about lies, because it is the way we feel.

However, a peace of your choosing is inappropriate. You are no better than our nation, and we do not live by your standards and your beliefs. We are a sovereign nation, that has done nothing but supported its allies. To bring war to us is to decry our right to be a nation.

The fund that you suggested deemed inappropriate for our needs, because we deem the Catholic Church corrupt at the time. We wish the best for the people who are suffering, not the best for those who "deserve" administrative pay. Therefore, we donated to the Red Cross and Red Crescent. Yet you deem this as not sufficient? Are we not working for a peace between us, not a peace dictated by your terms?

We do want peace, and we do apologize for the loss of soldiers, equipment, etc. that you may have suffered during the brief time of conflict. Though we never did fire a shot, and never directly attacked your troops, we understand that it may have contributed somewhat to losses on your part. Therefore, we are sorry.

~Office of Foreign Affairs.

This discussion has become repetitive. The peace should be of our choosing because our side is both morally correct - in the destruction of an evil state - and victorious.

You still deny the evil of Automagfreek? Here ... let us refresh your memory with these images (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1684665) broadcasted to New Spartha that our monitors recorded. Interesting they coincided with the public opening of a new torture chamber, no?

How can you deny the evil of Damien Dreadfire's regime? How can you say that we are no better than you, you who support a regime capable of inflicting such graphic torture?

That is why the peace needs to be on our terms. Your terms are ... corrupt. As for corruption in the Catholic church, the Memorial Fund of Cardinal Duras is not part of that Church but a seperate and monitored charitable institution, with auditors.

And we thank you for apologies for our losses, however we have suffered no casualties due to enemy fire.

OOC: It says it's encrypted, which means the same thing as secret.

We laugh at using synthed sounds like that as a reason to go to war, our sound techs have assured us that the sound patterns of the screams are not producable by human vocals. As it is, there are several high-end halloween products that have better and more realistic sound quality that are sold within our country, I'm afraid you're going to have to do better to convince us and probably IdP as well.

We laugh at using synthed sounds like that as a reason to go to war, our sound techs have assured us that the sound patterns of the screams are not producable by human vocals. As it is, there are several high-end halloween products that have better and more realistic sound quality that are sold within our country, I'm afraid you're going to have to do better to convince us and probably IdP as well.

Encrypted? It appeared on every television and net browser in the country. ROFL.

And our sound engineers - very experienced, given our production of a celestial choir - and graphic engineers too have told us all images and sound are authentic.

OOC: You need to read that post again, the only image that appeared was a red skull and crossbones, you have no proof that the sounds were real.

Really? Then I think that your sounds techs need a different kind of experience, our techs have experience with proprietary sound software and high-end computers that are used during interrogations of special subjects, we have a pretty good idea of what kind of noises can and cannot come from a human source. Of course, errors from techs in the specializations that you have cited are forgiveable, the experience and specialization of our techs is rare indeed.

However, our main concern is not with the minute details of the audio but your single-minded determination to restart a war that should be allowed to die peacefully.

On that note, now that IdP has indicated that he intends to move to a Star League planet, IdP is now considered a protectorate state and any attacks against IdP civilian ships or their escorts will prevoke an... unpleasant reaction from us.

Our sound technicians are correct. Yours are incorrect. Independent nations' sound technicians can verify this.

Your Star League is irrelevant, as is Isla de Penguinata's current membership of it. They will negotiate, or they will be attacked - whether or not we have to smash Scandavian States by ourselves to do so. Simply joining another alliance during a war to get protection from your enemies is not considered a reason by any sane country to escape from said war.

Our demands are hardly taxing - a charitable donation.

I won't repeat myself, but if you persist then I'm afraid there will be consequences.

I won't repeat myself, but if you persist then I'm afraid there will be consequences.

Your threats neither fill us with fear, nor trepidation. Perhaps mild amusement, given your cowardly abandonment of Automagfreek, but that's it.

You have no stomach for the consequences of attempting to bail Isla de Penguinata out of the situation in which they have put themselves.

Then you are both foolish and stupid. The first rule of warfare is that the defender has a 10:1 advantage and that hasn't changed since the days of siege warfare. If you doubt this, then please gather up your courage and attack.

As for AMF, we explained earlier that we were aware of the Angelus peace proposal and AMF's willingness to abide by it.

If you doubt this, then please gather up your courage and attack.

Are you utterly incapable of reading our prior transmissions?

When Isla de Penguinata launches space ships, we will attack them - whether or not your paltry forces are around at the time. You are the ones seeking to get involved in said conflict, so get involved already.

* * *

And high above, the monitoring satellites kept up their watch for Isla de Penguinata craft.

OOC: From what IdP's posted, it's five hundred years in the future for him, so you didn't have a chance to intercept his vessels. So if you still have a grudge against him five hundred years in the future, then by all means do something about it.

IdP: Just a note, Tempest System is only 30 lightyears away from Sol System.

PNN reports:

The call to aid can no longer be ignored.

Due to events that are transpiring with alliances and within the internal structure of a mutual organization, Pyrrhus has issued the following call.

"We cannot and will not stand idle not a second longer. The call of peace has failed. Forces have threatened allies and the peace process, no solution is in reach. It is clear what enemies pose danger and a real threat to our Nation and interests.

A full mobilization is hereby in effect and the implementation of the Charter of Phyrric for Miltary Service 1882 (selective service/draft) is in immediate order.

A total recall of diplomats and ambassadors have been made from Whispering Voices. All diplomats and ambassadors from Whispering Voices are hereby expelled from Phyrric and have 24 hours to vacate the embassies or become known as prisoners of war.

All leave is hereby denied and all service personnel are to report immediately to their assigned posts and commands within the next 24 hours. 1,500,000 troops are to be mobilized by the weeks end with another 1,500,000 to be activated within the month. Reservists of 750,000 are now assigned to active duty. Draft will call another 2,500,000 to be sent to training by months end.

Travel to and from Phyrric is hereby advised against. All ports, air or sea have been closed to enemies of the state. Trade embargos are in full force against Whispering Voices."

Further information to be provided when available.

Looks nice, IDP.

The "evidence" you provided was meager at best, and has been carelessly discarded.

Automagfreek has been an ally of ours for many, many years, and our government could not turn our position on a dime. We do not regret our decision in supporting Automagfreek, simply because of these terms.

Our demands are hardly taxing - a charitable donation.

We gave $500 billion in total to charity-The Red Cross and Red Crescent. We consider this very charitable, and surely it is enough to push the two organizations into a greater realm of helping humans, elves, and others.

It is very..questionable..that you are so tyrannical in your desire for peace. It is not a peace that you want, it is a empire without shots. We have apologized, and we have donated. You have asked for no more.

Isla de Penguinata did not join the Star League at the last moment. We had joined it before you stated your threats for attacking us, therefore making us a part of the alliance before your threats were made. Therefore, it is relevant.

Phyrric, please do not mobilize your forces as of yet. Peace is still available, and our government refuses to throw away such an attractive option.

OOC:

I'm guessing my ships have been traveling for about 200 years now. I'm FFW a lot, but I don't want to take a RL month just to get to Tharkad. :? Foreign policy has remained the same, and will until my stuff lands. Also, SS, can you please TM me specifics, like the crops I may be able to grow, minerals, is there water? You know, stuff like that. :wink: :)

The point is that the charitable donation is made to a proper charity. Neither the Red Cross nor the Red Crescent exist in any meaningful way in this world (they certainly have never attracted the attention of Whispering Voices), hence the desire of our government to see donations to an extant, proper charity.

As the wronged party (defending Automagfreek with the vast plethora of evidence against their rulership is obviously wrong), the charity will be the one of our choice or simply discarded.


OOC:

This timeline is messed up, in that I intended to shoot your ships the moment they took off and had satellites watching for them, heh. I'd either request that you give me a chance to shoot them on the way up (since I posted an intention to do so pretty much as soon as I found the thread). That or I have to bring the Legacy away from bombarding Tersanctus' ship yards.

So Whispering Voices considers the Red Cross and Red Crescent without meaning? WV does not respect the lives they save and the people they help?

Simply because your nation is involved with other charities does not mean we should have to donate to those charities. The Red Cross and Crescent have helped millions for many, many years. They are the ones who immediately respond to distasters, struggling to save as many lives as possible? But no meaningful purpose? We beg to differ.

However, in the name of peace, we donate $500 billion to the charity you suggested. We hope that this may bring peace between us.

OOC:

If you had read the post about my Navy, at the bottom you would see that it stated that all Penguinatans that wished to leave had left, and that was a couple of RL days ago. Therefore, if you had read, then you would realize that you weren't going to be able to catch me as I went up. :roll:

If you're still going to attack me (even after I have met your demands), it's going to have to be someplace close to the Star League, as the Penguinatan Navy is now 1 RL day from its final destination-Tharkad.

end OOC.

IC:

Isla de Penguinata is requesting that a Scandavian fleet may be able to escort us the rest of the way, and that our arrival be prepared for. We plan to land on Tharkad at 5:30 pm United States CST on 22 Oct. We once again thank SS for its hospitality and friendship shown in this recent situation.

If the nation of Isla de Penguinata can point us to previous activities of the Red Cross or the Red Crescent, we may acknowledge their usefulness. However, as stands, we await official confirmation from the Cardinal Duras Memorial Fund of your donation. Upon such confirmation, your assets will be allowed to go in peace.

OOC:
Well safe to assume I had you KOS during the war period however, and would have shot any of your space ships just to be on the safe side.

The choice of Cardinal Duras fund is because there is no nationstaates red cross or red crescent that I know of. Just one post on the Duras fund sending the requisite amount however and WV will be happy.

We assume that you are taking as straight a line as is possible, is that correct? If so, we'll be sending out the Expeditionary Reconnaissance Fleet and the Expeditionary Strike Fleet (they used to be our Terran fleets) to escort you the rest of the way home. The Tharkad Strike Fleet and the Tharkad Defense Fleet will be standing by to recieve you and in case of trouble are prepared to send help.

OOC: WV, I assume you are familiar with both fleets. If you still feel the need to attack then I suggest you go over the stats and if you need an exact breakdown of the numbers and types of battlegroups involved then I can do so.

IdP, if you are going to RP your dropships landing on Tharkad there is a massive dropport in an open area well away from the towns. We'll be sure to have spotlights and guidance beacons going on full output so there won't be any foul ups.

About that fund, I believe I just donated 2/3 of my defense reserves. With IdP now a member of the Star League you should find that my donation is more than adaquete for your demands (like 40x more).

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1889629#1889629

Above is where we have donated the money to the Fund. We are pleased that this issue has been resolved peacefully, and may we go our separate ways, until you decide to intervene with another ally of IdP. :lol:

OOC:

Know that I'm usually not so passive, and that I would've fought to the bitter end this past summer. But quite frankly, I don't have enough time to be able to run a good war RP, and I don't feel like warring right now anyway.

Also, I'm in the Star League now, and I'm about to make a thread on our landing of Tharkad.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1889993#1889993

Excellent. You may colonise without fear of retribution for your actions, having proved a dedication to peace and goodness.

To: Ambassador of IdP
From: Minister of Defense:

If access has been granted, the forces of Phyrric will be put on an order to stay and POW's released. Establish the validity of this.

Phyrric, please return to a neutral or friendly state with the nation of Whispering Voices. Peace has been achieved, and conflict avoided. There is no need for your forces to be on high alert anymore. :)

agreed, stand down with WV, no action, no harm