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Vladivostok Times

Russian Fleet sits vacant

Vladivostok, former Home port for the Russian Pacific Fleet, is unsure how to cope with that fleet. The government at this time is not wealthy enough to get the entire fleet re-serviced, so what do they do with the old war ships, and submarines that sit un-serviced in the Vladivostokan Harbor? Selling them could be an option, but who would actually buy dilapidated Soviet Ships, built in the 1950s-80s?

The ships are a problem, but the Nuclear Submarines are a far worse problem. Selling the Nuclear Subs would be a crime against humanity. They are far to dangerous to sell away to unstable third world governments. Yet the Vladivostokan government is far to poor to service them. Scraping the subs seems the most logical option, but the Subs are a symbol of Russian pride, and it's former military glory.

The government remains undecided, and will remain so unless a first world government actually offers to buy the dilapidated fleet, which is completely unlikely. Until the impossible happens, the decaying, impressive steel ships will sit empty, tightly bunched together in the Vladivostok Harbor.

Inspired by a real life problem that faces Russia, and the Ukraine.

I would recommend creating a museum for the ships, much like the U.S. does with old fighter planes. At least it would bring in some cash, however little. As for the nuclear subs, eh, don't know about them.

Ministry of Defense

Al Anbar understands the financial problems that is currently facing the Russian Armed Forces. Al Anbar would like to assist you in these tough times and will offer you eight hundred million (US) dollars for three nuclear submarines.

The ships are a problem, but the Nuclear Submarines are a far worse problem. Selling the Nuclear Subs would be a crime against humanity. They are far to dangerous to sell away to unstable third world governments.

Ehem, I believe Al Anbar is included in the UNSTABLE THIRD WOLD GOVERNMENT phrase. Good day...

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Al Anbar is no unstable third world country.

Ruschi will take the subs off your hands. Name the price.

Al Anbar's UN Analyse

UN Category: Psychotic Dictatorship
Civil Rights: Unheard Of
Economy: Struggling
Political Freedoms: Outlawed

That shows clearly, you are an Unstable Third World Government. We are not selling are Subs to you, for you actually USE them! They're deterents, not weapons, but your unstable government would actually use their destructive cabability against enemies. Selling them to you would be a crime against all of humanity!



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The Principality of Enyalios just might have a solution to your problem. Quite simply, we would like to hire your navy. In exchange for protecting our coast, my country would pay to refurbish your submarines.

Just because our leader likes to keep the country functioning good with his guidance doesn't mean we're a unstable 3rd world country. They would, of course, be only used to defend Al Anbar.

SURE they would! I'm not selling them to you Al Anbar!

We're not selling the subs to anyone, but Enyalios has a good idea indeed... I believe his solution is a good one. And he is not an Unstable Third World Government... They would only be used for your defence, not offensive opperations... And the Russian Flag would have to fly on them with yours, to show they're still Russian. I am definately considering Enyalios' proposal...

OOC: Suprised I wasn't called a God Moder for this thread)

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Pfft. The main language of Ruschi is Russian (though citizens must also learn English at young ages to keep in touch with the rest of the mostly English-speaking world), so we would have no problem with the Russian flag next to the Ruschic flag on the subs. And, if we buy them from you, we won't require use of your navy, either.

What if we wished to rent a certain amount of ships from your navy to defend the coasts of Al Anbar?

We're not selling the Subs.. the Surface Ships we might (Although they're crappy old things from 50s-80s) But the Subs we wont. As I said, it would be a crime against Humanity!


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Dear Vladivostok Russia.

The Adejaani Republic wishes to wade in to help you. We're willing to give you three hundred billion in "hard cash" revenue to take your old obsolete warships and cut them up.

Further, Adejaani long ago developed technology to "crack" radioactive substances, by speeding up the rate at which they undergo decay, while at the same time collecting the Helium generated by the Beta radiation for our own Helium based Fusion reactors.

As a show of good faith, we're willing to move the radioactive material "cracking" technology to your shores where you can monitor this fully and your personnel can observe the disarmament and scrapping of your obsolete warships.

Strip the NUKE-ular subs and make them into dirty bombs...
Then make a public show of destroying them under the guise of disarmament, prompting all rival nations to follow suit...
...What to do with the dirty bombs?.....what dirty bombs?. .(shhh)

Mmmm... Offers are getting to tempting...
:?

Your terms are most certainly acceptable. In fact, if we are pleased with your service, we may do one better and pay to have your vessels modernized. What forces could you lend to our defense and what would you consider an appropriate compensation?

(I wouldn't call this Godmoding? Far from it. The idea of having plenty of ships but not enough money to sail them... That's kinda cool.)

To Texastan: :shock: :shock: :shock:

To Enyalios: We can offer quite alot of sailors, and enginiers, and ship commanders, who are familiar with these ships and subs. I'd say we can offer about, 100,000 of them. The city of Vladivostok from 1958-1991 relied entirely on the Russian pacific fleet for it's economic lively hood, so we have alot of sailors here to. We just can't pay them either :cry:

If you agree, we have a deal. Yearly rent on them would be relatively cheap, as they are old, and you would be the ones referbishing them. (I have to look for an actuall report of the Russian Pacific Fleet to find out what classes, and how many they have... Once I do, I'll post it hear, with prices for rent/buy)

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Dear god almighty! Acording to this site http://www.bellona.no/en/international/russia/navy/pacific/ Russia has..


"The Russian Pacific Fleet operates around 20 nuclear powered submarines. The Pacific Fleet submarine bases are located in Vladivostok area, several to the northeast of Vladivostok, and on the Kamchatka Peninsula. Around 70 nuclear powered submarines are taken out of service. Two nuclear surface vessels in the Pacific Fleet - one communication ship and one cruiser - are not operational and will be reportedly decommissioned."


EEEEK! That IS godmodding if I say that much... So, I'll cut it in half... 35 Nuclear Subs out of commision ($500,000,000 USD per year for rent). 10 Nuclear Subs operational ($800,000,000 USD per year for rent) two nuclear surface vessels ($100,000,000 USD per year for rent) And I guess the entire surface fleet is decomishioned and mostly scraped... or so says this site...

If this is godmodding tell me... But since they're dilapidated, outdated, and decaying, I say it isn't...

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Actually, VR (Vladivostok Russia), sell them. As you've mentioned, in the real world, the Russian ships are literally rusting away and it'll be an environmental nightmare when someone finally chips in enough money for decommissioning.

And, I believe, what the Russian Navy is doing is letting go of quite literally half their Fleet and selling that off at near any price (remember the Varyag is, from memory, being sold to a business to make it a casino).

But the further difference is, your nation is young. I say, for the foreseable future (until your population hits 100+ million), keep this naval structure. At 50 million, increase by 25%. This is what I generally preach is a good way to upsize your military by. 25% at every 50 million population mark.

I'd actually say your Naval force structure should be: two cruisers, four destroyers, four frigates, a resupply ship and maybe 10 or 12 subimarines. You can add a Kuznetzov type carrier at 50 million (pop) and double this naval force at 100 mil (pop).

On behalf of The Allied States of Lusaka, President Igomo's office wonders whether there remains any possibility of acquiring at low rates Russian ex-service vessels.

Lusaka, despite a considerable coastline on the Indian Ocean, has no true navy, merely a loosely termed "coastguard" consisting of four ASW helicopters and four Soviet Haaregradian corvettes. These vessels are stretched by the important duty of protecting vital oil tankers bringing the low price oil which keeps the nation on its feet. As a result, our ability to intercept invading naval forces is all but none existant, and even patroling our own coastline is terribly difficult.

Almost any military vessels may be of use- we have of course no flag ship, no command vessel from which to co-ordinate the little coast-guard, nothing with which to mount a serious defence.

It is recognised that we may be too slow in reacting to this situation for any benefit to come of it, but the faint possibility of perhaps aquiring even a single D/E submarine -if such things exist amongst the vessels in question- is a tempting prospect. The Allied States certainly have no desire to acquire nuclear vessels, as the nation is unwilling to manage the cost of operating such a thing, let alone the cost of mounting an offensive operation against anything more substantial than rodent infestation.

If there is anything over which our nations might negotiate, we are here and willing to talk.

-Office of President D.Igomo, The Allied States of Lusaka.

Mmmm... Offers are getting to tempting...
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Fine, do it your way.... and I will just sit and watch you throw away a perfekt chance to, oh I don't know, lead the world into enough of a chaotic state that even a path-etech miserable little 'othing of a 'ountry like your krap-hole could rise up and rule!!!!! I spat in your dire-rection... it should be reaching you ...... ..... .... now.
Always with your eye on the moneys... always missing the point :!:

Lets all eat Lolly's! It wont solve the problem, but our stomaches wont be dilapedated!

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The Nation of Suraksha is interested in the older warships you may have. Currently our fleet consists of only 6 sea-capable vessels (1 Cruiser, 3 Destroyers and 2 Frigates) along with assorted smaller boats. We do not want any aircraft carriers or even the subs due to lack of personnel to man them.

However, we would like to know exactly what surface ships you are willing to sell or loan- personnel and monetry assets are limited in this regard. Our coastline is limited, so size is an issue as well.

If you require aid in scrapping these vessels however, we may be able to help. Our steel and Iron production is less, and for unfettered access to perhaps 60-70% of the scrapped materials, we can assist in that regard. Our shipyard is pretty good when it comes to recycling, and for a percentage of the material, we can subsidize the cost of recylcing any vessel (except Nuclear subs and Carriers- the inlets into the lake area is too small for the latter and the former is too much of a hazard)

If the Nation of Vladivostok Russia does chose to put it's surface fleet in a museum, we will gladly purchase any and all electronic systems onboard, we are willing to pay good prices for Russial Radar especially the 'Skywatch' and 'Cylinder blanc' systems if you have it installed on any of the ships. Any PK16 chaff dispensers would also go down well as would 'Football' or 'Sideglobe' systems.
We are also willing to purchase 'Grumble', 'Gecko', 'Gadfly', 'Grail', 'Shaddock', 'Stallion', 'Sandbox' and/or 'Starfish' missiles.

We feel this would prove beneficial for Vladivostok Russia as this would maintain National pride through the creation of a maritime museum while selling off most of the expensive (and unnecessary) components.

We're not going to be selling anything as of yet. I'm going to that one person's idea to slowly update and rebuild the fleet as the population increases.

I will also at a later date (But soon) put one of the Surface Nuclear Vessels in a Museum, along with 5 differnt classes of Nuclear Subs. This Museum will be called "Russian Pacific Maritime Museum" and will hopefully feature models of the first ships built in our shipyard in the 1860s. Also included will be an entire wing devoted to the Russo-Japanese war of 1906, which we all know was an absolute disaster for the Russian navy.

This is all still in planning stages, and we wont have the budget to build it for some time. I will consider selling the non-usefull systems onbaord any vessels we put in the Museum.

As for any old Soviet Nuclear technology, or Jet technology, we're not alloud to sell them, due to UN sanctions. Hopefully they will be scraped, as soon as we can afford it...

The ships could actually be dragged off, salvaged, and scuttled, creating reefs for the underwater wildlife. Or, museums could be created out of the more important, larger vessels.
The nuclear submarines, on the other hand, could be sold to less fortunate countries who could use them, provided they're still in operating order. *hint*

Actually, as I said, only 10 are kept maintaned... The entire rest of the massive fleet is deteriorating into Enviromental disasters in our ports...

Actually, as I said, only 10 are kept maintaned... The entire rest of the massive fleet is deteriorating into Enviromental disasters in our ports...

So salvage them for scrap metal, drain their fuels and the other toxins, and scuttle them off the coast, creating natural reefs. The remaining 10 could be sold.

We would be willing to lease a few of your for several months...we are currently testing some of newer submarine designs and need a universial base platform of a working warship.

Also we would be willing to purchase some of the reator core core material or any weapons grade nuclear material you do not want to have around for some upgrading ideas.

Alcona and Hubris

(ooc: generally the concept of 'inheritances' is a little vauge around here anyway.)

(ooc) The only missile that is nuclear on my list was the starfish...and thats technically a depth charge...