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THE FEDERATION OF SUKARA

Full Title: The Federated States of Sukara

Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Imploded
Political Freedoms: Rare

The Federation of Sukara is a huge, devout nation, notable for its punitive income tax rates. Its hard-nosed, cynical population of 445 million are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich. In their personal lives, however, citizens are relatively unoppressed; it remains to be seen whether this is because the government genuinely cares about its people, or if it hasn't gotten around to stamping out civil rights yet.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, corrupt, socially-minded government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Defence, Education, and the Environment. The average income tax rate is 100%. The private sector is almost wholly made up of enterprising fourteen-year-old boys selling lemonade on the sidewalk, although the government is looking at stamping this out.

Meat is a luxury afforded only to the wealthy, the government snoops on private internet connections, citizens select which government department gets their income tax Epsilon Sovereigns each year, and all major public areas are watched by police surveillance cameras. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Sukara's national animal is the Star Lynx, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the Epsilon Sovereign.

Sukara is ranked 1st in the region and 8,904th in the world for Healthiest Nations.
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It is in light of recent events that I call an audience today. As many do know, and many do not, Sukara was recently involved in an invasion involving primarily the Kingdom of Philip II.

Due to full scale skirmishes, battles and international pressures, the imperialistic government of Philip II recalled their forces in order to prevent a war that, inevitably would have resulted in only their destruction.

Nevertheless, for about a week conflicts that leveled cities along the Sukaran-Philip II neutral zone took place, and Sukara's already hurting economy had taken a turn for the worst.

The administration of this government have taken steps to ensure that all mouths are fed, and that all can survive, but we cannot pull Sukara from the economic and political quagmire that it currently resides in. We have tried, dutifully and endlessly to bring Sukara back to at least a reasonable standard of living, but still, only the rich of our nation can put food on the tables.

We now call for international economists, advisors and or even leaders to send their best advice to assist the Federated States at this time.

Thank you for your time.

-Alexander Zakharov
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Thank you for your time.

Or not...

BUMP.

As a member of the Coalition of Anti-Capitalist Economies (CACE) we are commited to helping non-capitlaist nations improved their economies. However, we remain equally committed to ensuring that a good level of civil rights is enjoyed by the people of the world, and especially those of our trading partners in CACE. We note that Sukara does not enjoy the best civil rights record in the NS world, and ask whether plans have been made to change this.

If sukara is commited to improving its human rights record then I feel confident that we can offer valuable economic advice, and share the success of our non-capitalist approach with your people. However, as I have said, it is absolutely dependent on the desire to improve civil rights.

Regards,
Celdonian Minister of Finance.

Sukara is dedicated to civil rights to a certain extent. We offer the political concepts of John Locke, those are the rights of:
-Life
-Liberty
-The Pursuit of Happiness

We also allow the freedoms of:
-Speech (To a certain extent)
-Religion
-Assembly

Our people enjoy a lot of civil rights, but Sukara is undoubtedly a very right-wing state, favoring more government control. We don't want to give the idea that our inhabitants are oppressed, by any means.

If one was to compare Sukara to a nation, say, similar to the United States of America, Sukara would have fewer civil rights. But we do allow the "important" ones.

In any case, it is up to you on what to do regarding economic advice, though we thank you for your presence at the conference.

BUMP

From: The Incorporated States of Mushroomius
Department: Commerce Ministry

We note that this meeting has drawn our attention.

Our economy is not quite in the quagmire Sukara's is currently in, but ours is very random, very unstable.

We too, seek out advice from fellow nations regarding economics.

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Hm... this is a BUMP.

I wish to reiterate the invitation issued by Celdonia; the CACE has a great deal of experience improving nations economies and, provided your government can show a commitment to basic tenets of humanity, we would be happy to help.

We look forward to greeting your delegation to the CACE formally in Celdonia.

Tina Luten
Minister of Foreign Affairs
SeOCC

We will send a delegation to your nation to address the economic problems you seem to be having. Leading that delegation will be our own economic advisor, Milton Friedman. Dr. Friedman has overseen our economy wonderfully, and we would like to extend our help to you.

We will send a delegation to your nation to address the economic problems you seem to be having. Leading that delegation will be our own economic advisor, Milton Friedman. Dr. Friedman has overseen our economy wonderfully, and we would like to extend our help to you.

We thank the venerable nation of Cobradom for their kindness.

We will send a delegation to your nation to address the economic problems you seem to be having. Leading that delegation will be our own economic advisor, Milton Friedman. Dr. Friedman has overseen our economy wonderfully, and we would like to extend our help to you.

We thank the venerable nation of Cobradom for their kindness.

You're quite welcome. As Dr. Friedman is a high ranking and very important member of our government, we must also send along a very large security force. We request that accomidations are made to fit Dr. Friedman's needs.

Friedman, Friedman, name seems kind of familiar...

Oh, right, he's that Hayek bootlicker whose bogus neolibeal policies have worsened, not bettered, global income equality. But then he was never out to improve the standard of living of the poor, but keep the rich rich.

I'd suggest you throw Mr. Friendman out on his heinie and get the advice of a competant economist, not a pseudo science witch doctor who practicies 'pure economics,' devoid of political or sociological concerns. Then, maybe you'll get some advice you can use. You'll find some commentary on Mr. Friedman by a colleague of his here (http://www.rinfret.com/mf.html).

Ibin Khalid
Special Officer, Ministry of Politics
SeOCC (in Celdonia)

Friedman, Friedman, name seems kind of familiar...

Oh, right, he's that Hayek bootlicker whose bogus neolibeal policies have worsened, not bettered, global income equality. But then he was never out to improve the standard of living of the poor, but keep the rich rich.

I'd suggest you throw Mr. Friendman out on his heinie and get the advice of a competant economist, not a pseudo science witch doctor who practicies 'pure economics,' devoid of political or sociological concerns. Then, maybe you'll get some advice you can use. You'll find some commentary on Mr. Friedman by a colleague of his here (http://www.rinfret.com/mf.html).

Ibin Khalid
Special Officer, Ministry of Politics
SeOCC (in Celdonia)

Economics isn't a political or social science. It's the best way to allocate scarce resources over a population. Income equality isn't what economists want. The goal of an economist is to curb inflation and prevent recession. Dr. Friedman's revolutionary idea that the interest rate propels consumption is one of the best things that happened to economics in the last century.

That is why we trust our economic advisor so much, and why we are willing to send him to other nations to jumpstart their economy.

Economics isn't a political or social science. It's the best way to allocate scarce resources over a population.

I'd love to hear your definition of best; it seems you're inferring that concentrating 95% of all wealth (not money but wealth) in the hands of 1% of the population is 'best.' Pareto Optimum? By god you're good!

Income equality isn't what economists want.

Really? I'll have to go to the Ministry of Economics and tell off all those silly bastards for dodging the real issues by trying to bring about this 'social justice' thing some wackos are talking about.

The goal of an economist is to curb inflation and prevent recession.

And damned if Friedman didn't do the trick! His policies have only kept infaltion rising in America for the last 30 years while the minimum wage as practically stagnated in real dollars, meaning that in the past 30 years people have lost, not gained, buying power. And perhaps you can explain what is so bad about inflation, or will you merely cite the Frankenstian change of 'Inflation... BAAAD'?

Dr. Friedman's revolutionary idea that the interest rate propels consumption is one of the best things that happened to economics in the last century.

Care to qualify that with an iota of evidence? Thought not! Have a nice day and don't forget to enjoy the sauce!

That is why we trust our economic advisor so much, and why we are willing to send him to other nations to jumpstart their economy.

Seems to me you're trying to get rid of him. Of course if you'd read the link I provided you might not be a monetarist sycophant, though if you could read at all you wouldn't be in this situation.

Toodles!

Ibin Khalid (inebriated)
Special Officer, Ministry of Politics
SeOCC (in Celdonia)

This became more heated than I had anticipated...

This became more heated than I had anticipated...

Well I apologize for my outburst, I must stop checking my work account from home.

However, I do feel quite strongly about this isse and urge you to ignore any advice Friedman might give you; his policies have been responsible for the increase of income inequality, the destabilization of economies and, of course, the enrichment of the rich.

Though I am an avowed anti-capitalist I am also an economist and a Marxist, meaning I understand that capitalism is often times necessary and the best option for countries. My goal in life is to ease the transition from capitalism to whatever comes next, be it socialism, corporate technocracy or some as of yet undiscovered theory. People like Friedman care nothing for the future and only for their rich buddy buddies, ignoring the environmental costs unchecked growth creates and the human costs of a globalized unregulated economy.

The SeOCC MoE has a long record of helping economies in all sectors, and in fact it was our MoE that told a CACE member to liberalize their economy and reopen a limited private sector. That's right, we're not dogmatic, we are objective, result based, something Friendman and his cronies cannot claim. Jigoku, it should be noted, had a significant economic uplift before the north, funded by certain capitalist nations, started a full fledged civil war for independance from the USSJ. I'm sure the MoE would be willing to offer you the same aid we offered Jigoku, and help in the development of your economy.

Ibin Khalid (hung over, slightly)
Special Officer, Ministry of Politics
SeOCC (in Celdonia)

OOC: Just because you don't agree with the real life Milton Friedman doesn't mean that he won't do anything for Sukara. As for the rest that you said SeOCC, I didn't want to jack into Sukara's help thread to debate this.

IC: Dr. Friedman's flight arrived in Sukara's capital. He walked down the steps from the plane and got into a bulletproof Bentley that had been flown in earlier. In the car also went 3 heavily armed men. Chevy Suburbans pulled up after the car and more armed guardes boarded those. They pulled off the tarmac and made their way to the Ministry of Economics of Sukara.

OOC: Just because you don't agree with the real life Milton Friedman doesn't mean that he won't do anything for Sukara.

ooc: oh he'll do something alright, run the economy into the ground. Sukara, think about my offer. the CACE knows what it's doing.

OOC: Just because you don't agree with the real life Milton Friedman doesn't mean that he won't do anything for Sukara.

ooc: oh he'll do something alright, run the economy into the ground. Sukara, think about my offer. the CACE knows what it's doing.

We have the best economy possible! You don't! Obviously, your economists are missing out on something, probably worrying about the "sticky wage" or screwing up monetary policy.

The cars pull up to the Ministry of Economics. Friedman and his guards walk inside and see people running around feverishly, thier papers all over the place. As soon as Friedman is noticed, everybody stops and looks at him reverently.

"He's the guy here from Cobradom to help us," somebody says in awe.

Another whispers, "Some people think that he's more powerful than the Emperor."

Friedman strolls to the elevator. Half of the guards go up with him and the others stay on the ground floor. They ride it to the top floor, where the Minister is sitting nervously awaiting this so-called "god" of economics.

"Good morning, Minister, where do you want me to begin?"