NationStates Jolt Archive

Today, the Holy Empire of Kecha has begun to have some problems with the Kechan Catholic Church, apparently the leader of the KCC, a man simply calling himself Lazarus, has begun to make claims that the Catholic Faith is the only true faith, and that all non-Catholics in Kecha should be given a simple choice: Convert or die, most of the KCC seems to be following him, and those that don't don't seem to go against him either, when the Empress got word of this she told this Lazarus character to stop doing such foolish things at once, he refused, and she argued with him for awhile, she ended up resorting to a threat to shut the KCC down and make Catholicism illegal in the Holy Empire, just like the Church of The Word, Lazarus agreed to stop, and he walked away grumbling, and he has stopped as far as official statements and such go, but the KCC is making some disturbing noises, and trouble could be brewing, so the Empress maintains her threat that, if the KCC moves to enact their little proposal of "Conversion or death" she WILL shut the KCC down and outlaw Catholicism in Kecha completley.

*secretely* Belem will support the KCC movement of convert or die.

Update: It has been rumored for awhile that Lazarus, as he is called by his followers, is demanding that the Empress establish the Kechan Catholic Church as the official Church of the Empire, and illegalise all other Churches, well, so far we have confirmed the part about him wanting the KCC to be the officiall Church of the Empire, but no word on the part about outlawing other Churches.

Westerners...They are so violent. They do not understand how to find peace through meditation.

Westerners...They are so violent. They do not understand how to make peace through meditation. Yes we do, we teach the Meditative Arts, it's part of our Combat Training, how else could we produce the immense amount of emotional control required to master the Martial Arts?

Secret Message to Kecha: We will support your government against these foolish heretics, we also are sending missionaries from the Holy Church of the Gods of the Light to convert any and all willing people to the will of the Gods of Good.

OOC: basicly the worship of the Gods of Light in Dragonlance, complete with clerical magic.

Secret Message to Kecha: We will support your government against these foolish heretics, we also are sending missionaries from the Holy Church of the Gods of the Light to convert any and all willing people to the will of the Gods of Good.

OOC: basicly the worship of the Gods of Light in Dragonlance, complete with clerical magic. Secret Reply: Thank you for the support, but we require to know more of your Holy Church of the Light Gods before we allow Missionaries, we do this with every new Church trying to come to Kecha, sorry if this offends you.

IC: Of course, we will send you any information you require.

IC: Of course, we will send you any information you require. We need to know things like:

How old is it?

Structure(Rankings, etc...)?

Zealousy(Do they go around yelling at people of other Faiths, or do they let people live as they wish)?

Things like that.

To: Leaders of the Kechan Catholic Church
From: Cathedral of San Biagio, Agrigento's Catholic Diocese

We hereby invite the leaders of the Kechan Catholic Church to a monumentous summit during which we will discuss their methods of conversion and general administration. We ask that their leaders attend a meeting at a time and location of their choosing. We ask, respectfully, that this message is treated with upmost urgency and that you respond as promptly as possible. God Bless

Archbishop Alfonso Cento,
Head of the Agrigentian Catholic Church

To: Leaders of the Kechan Catholic Church
From: Cathedral of San Biagio, Agrigento's Catholic Diocese

We hereby invite the leaders of the Kechan Catholic Church to a monumentous summit during which we will discuss their methods of conversion and general administration. We ask that their leaders attend a meeting at a time and location of their choosing

Archbishop Alfonso Cento,
Head of the Agrigentian Catholic Church

To: Cathedral of San Biagio, Agrigento's Catholic Diocese.
From: Lazarus, Supreme Leader of the Kechan Catholic Church, accompanied by the Council of High Priests.

We accept your offer of a meeting, we request that you meet us in the Capital of Brandywine, in the Church known as the Hall of Catholicism, at your first opportunity"

Lazarus,
Leader of the Kechan Catholic Church, accompanied by the Council of High Priests.

Well, as a branch of Catholocism, this nation does not support this extreme messure of "Convet or Die!" But converting to Catholocism is a good thing, so we emplore Kechans to convert.

In a way the Gods of the Light have always been worshiped all across the continent of Ansalon for over two ages before the rise of Istar. But Istar was the first nation (and later the first Theocractic-Monarchy) to organize the worship of the Gods of Good into an organized religion. For over three thousands years ever since the Holy Church of the Gods of the Light has reigned both in Istar as a political-religious power and as a guiding force in all other nations as an instructor in the ways of the Gods.

The Church has not practised force-conversion in over two millenia (people in Istar may worship however they please so as long as they do not worship the Gods of Darkness).

The structure of the Church is like this (from top to bottom)

Kingpriest: Ruler of both the Church and the nation of Istar

Supreme Priest/Priestess: Ruler of the Worship of their parton deity throught the entire network of Churches.

High Priest/Priestess: Ruler of a Mother Church that heads other churches in one particular region/province/nation

Revered Son/Daughter: Regular Priest/Priestess in the Church

Sworn Acolyte: Acolyte who has passed his/her tests and has only a year of training before taking the final vows before becomming a Revered Son/Daughter. Also a Sworn Acolyte declares a parton deity whom they will serve and worship in the Priesthood.

Unsworn Acolyte: Person who enters schooling of the Priesthood in order to try for the Priesthood, training lasts for two years before the Unsworn either choses to take the Tests or give up on becomming a Revered Son/Daughter.

Hope this helps.

Well, as a branch of Catholocism, this nation does not support this extreme messure of "Convet or Die!" But converting to Catholocism is a good thing, so we emplore Kechans to convert. We don't even like you, if the Kechans want to convert they will, if not, they won't, nothing you can do about it really.

The Church of Yevon and The Bevelle Empire gives unquestioned support to the Kechan Government agianst this fool Lazarus who would DARE threaten the People of Yevon.


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Maester Auron, Commander of the Warrior Monks
The Theocracy of The Bevelle Empire

The Church of Yevon and The Bevelle Empire gives unquestioned support to the Kechan Government agianst this fool Lazarus who would DARE threaten the People of Yevon.


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Maester Auron, Commander of the Warrior Monks
The Theocracy of The Bevelle Empire We thank the Bevelle Empire for their support, as well as the Church of Yevon.

Istar: The information you gave us will be examined IN DETAIL.

To: Cathedral of San Biagio, Agrigento's Catholic Diocese.
From: Lazarus, Supreme Leader of the Kechan Catholic Church, accompanied by the Council of High Priests.

We accept your offer of a meeting, we request that you meet us in the Capital of Brandywine, in the Church known as the Hall of Catholicism, at your first opportunity"

Lazarus,
Leader of the Kechan Catholic Church, accompanied by the Council of High Priests.

ooc: Whenever your ready, do you want to start a new thread, or keep it in this one?

To: Cathedral of San Biagio, Agrigento's Catholic Diocese.
From: Lazarus, Supreme Leader of the Kechan Catholic Church, accompanied by the Council of High Priests.

We accept your offer of a meeting, we request that you meet us in the Capital of Brandywine, in the Church known as the Hall of Catholicism, at your first opportunity"

Lazarus,
Leader of the Kechan Catholic Church, accompanied by the Council of High Priests.

ooc: Whenever your ready, do you want to start a new thread, or keep it in this one? OOC: Start a new thread for the purpose of keeping everything as straight as possible, you want to start it? or should I?

OOC: Start a new thread for the purpose of keeping everything as straight as possible, you want to start it? or should I?

ooc: This has nothing to do with me being a lazy bastard, but it is taking place in your country, so I think it would only be proper for you to start it.

Agrigento: It will simply be titled "Some Affairs Of Faith"

Update: It has been confirmed Lazarus is making demands of the Empress to outlaw all other Churches and name the KCC the Church of the Empire, it has also been confirmed she has told him where he can shove his demands and what he can do with them afterwords.

Heavily Encrpyted to Transmission to KCC bounced over multiple relays:

If you require any weapons to achieve your goal of a Catholic Kecha just request them and we shall deliver.

Heavily Encrpyted to Transmission to KCC bounced over multiple relays:

If you require any weapons to achieve your goal of a Catholic Kecha just request them and we shall deliver. We could raid the stockpile of weapons used by our respective Militia units, but that is risky, we may need weapons soon, yes, but the one thing we need now is this: Advice.

*going through the same channels*


Begin a covert movement. Officially retract your statements and say Lazarus is stepping down of course he is only stepping down as a public figure. Then begin small scale terror attacks these could even be done by our agents. Nothing too big otherwise you will attract the wrath of the government too quickly.
Then have your contacts in the media blame these attacks on one of the groups opposing you. Bring your foes to each other throats and you will have control. As they battle each other and dwindle preach the true word of peace and tolerance. Then your power will be unlimited. Religion transcends the states power. You will know total control then.

*going through the same channels*


Begin a covert movement. Officially retract your statements and say Lazarus is stepping down of course he is only stepping down as a public figure. Then begin small scale terror attacks these could even be done by our agents. Nothing too big otherwise you will attract the wrath of the government too quickly.
Then have your contacts in the media blame these attacks on one of the groups opposing you. Bring your foes to each other throats and you will have control. As they battle each other and dwindle preach the true word of peace and tolerance. Then your power will be unlimited. Religion transcends the states power. You will know total control then. True, but the Kushrenadas are not known for being very soft-handed when it comes to enemies, nor are they known for kindness in general when it comes to troublemakers, Mariemaia was tough with her enemies, and so is Aidan.

they will not know who the true enemy is. Allies and Neutrals will face the wrath of the Kechan military as your power grows. The objective is not to attack the government directly but attack its foundation. Put a bomb near a school or a large business center and you grind that city to a halt in a matter of days.
When the public demands vengeance the government will deliver it to anyone who the public believes is responsible just to silence the masses.

they will not know who the true enemy is. Allies and Neutrals will face the wrath of the Kechan military as your power grows. The objective is not to attack the government directly but attack its foundation. Put a bomb near a school or a large business center and you grind that city to a halt in a matter of days.
When the public demands vengeance the government will deliver it to anyone who the public believes is responsible just to silence the masses. Well, 1 thing we do know of Aidan, she angers quickly, and she hates it when her people are unhappy, so she will strike out, but what do we do about her and her Sister and such once we have enough power to challenge the Government?


OOC: Gotta' go.

Depends on numerous factors.
1) if you have gained majority in the nation by then you can just say "you should agree with us because we are the voice of the people."
2) Even if you lack majority the government will be weakened and numerous systems can be used to collapse a regime. The people will be growing tired of the constant violence and will demand change either through civility or disorder either way you take advantage of that saying you are the champion of the people and will aid them in there quest but publically discourage violence against the government. The government will eventually collapse in upon itself.

The Important steps at the beginning is to make the KCC out to be the victim.

Depends on numerous factors.
1) if you have gained majority in the nation by then you can just say "you should agree with us because we are the voice of the people."
2) Even if you lack majority the government will be weakened and numerous systems can be used to collapse a regime. The people will be growing tired of the constant violence and will demand change either through civility or disorder either way you take advantage of that saying you are the champion of the people and will aid them in there quest but publically discourage violence against the government. The government will eventually collapse in upon itself.

The Important steps at the beginning is to make the KCC out to be the victim. I mean what do we do about her personally? kill her publicly? privatley? imprison her for the rest of her life? or just undermine her position untill the Empress is no more than a puppet?

Depends on what you can get away with at the time.
If the people hate her execute in the square.
If the people are conflicted either kill her secretely or imprison her to its benefitial to publically execute her or its too dangerous to keep her around and privately execute her.
Or if the people still look up to her make her your puppet.

Your Imperial Majesty, Empress Aidan of the Holy Empire of Kecha,
His Most Catholic and Imperial Majesty wished it made clear that, while the Holy Empire of Finara is a Catholic Nation, we object to the use of coercion in matters of faith and to terrorism. Marthion, the Archbishop of Finara, has declared support for the radical Lazarus to be contrary to the law of God. What meagre assistance we might provide to prevent Lazarus's misrepresentations of Catholicism from sullying the name of our faith is hereby offered.
Lord Dathlin, Minister of State for the Holy Empire of Finara

to her most holy and highness, the empress of kecha,

the republic is prepared to assist you in any way you ask in your fight against these religious psychotics. we have... extensive experience in these matters.

Update: It has been confirmed Lazarus is making demands of the Empress to outlaw all other Churches and name the KCC the Church of the Empire, it has also been confirmed she has told him where he can shove his demands and what he can do with them afterwords.

This "Lazarus" should be aware that what he is proposing is against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

I am hereby sending all parties involved a copy of Dignitatis Humanae (http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V2RELFRE.HTM), the Second Vatican Council's teaching on religious freedom.

In Christ,

Cardinal Theophilius
Archbishop of Syskeyiapolis
Primate of Syskeyia

We condem the actions of Lazarus, if he is Roman Catholic he is breaking the laws of the church and if he is of another sect of catholics he is still in the wrong.

Archbishop Vorn head of the Teritoran Catholic Church.

Teritora: How are you able to jude right from wrong? Catholicism is the ONLY true Church or Faith! if you condemn me then you are no true Catholic!
~Lazarus.

Syskeyia: This document shall be studied in detail, and published nationwide, with special attention to marketing it to our nation's Catholics, thank you.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Portneria: Once it beomes necessary, we shall call you.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Finara: We shall call you once Lazarus becomes a serious problem for us, as he surley will eventually.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Belem: It might be difficult to make the people actually hate her, but it is an idea worthy trying.
~Lazarus.

I condemn you as a Judas Priest who voliates the laws of the church and tries to led the faithful astray.

Archbishop Vorn

I condemn you as a Judas Priest who voliates the laws of the church and tries to led the faithful astray.

Archbishop Vorn I condemn you Vorn! as a man who is willing to allow people to be led to other Faiths aside from the Catholic Faith!
~Lazarus.

My good record speaks for its self, I have upheld the laws of the church and the tenents of the faith. It is not those of us of the church to force our faith on others, only show them the True faith. We do not convert by the sword. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

Archbishop Vern

((OOC: What's Kecha's tech level?))

My good record speaks for its self, I have upheld the laws of the church and the tenents of the faith. It is not those of us of the church to force our faith on others, only show them the True faith. We do not convert by the sword. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

Archbishop Vern I beg to differ, it is the Empress and her heathen followers who shall die by the Sword, the Sword of Faith!

I am begining to think that the church in Kecha needed to be purified of your and those who led the faithful down your dark path. Have you no respect for the laws of the Church?

Archbishop Vorn

I am begining to think that the church in Kecha needed to be purified of your and those who led the faithful down your dark path. Have you no respect for the laws of the Church?

Archbishop Vorn

I am begining to think that the church in Kecha needed to be purified of your and those who led the faithful down your dark path. Have you no respect for the laws of the Church?

Archbishop Vorn The Laws of the Church? some Laws are made to be broken.

OOC:Lets see highly repected and well liked Conservitive Catholic Archbishop Vorn vs Lazarus an radical upstart with no real rank in the church, hmm I am sure Lazarus is not liking this challage to his Authority.

IC: You would dare voilate the sacred laws and tenents of the Church?

Archbishop Vorn

OOC:Lets see highly repected and well liked Conservitive Catholic Archbishop Vorn vs Lazarus an radical upstart with no real rank in the church, hmm I am sure Lazarus is not liking this challage to his Authority.

IC: You would dare voilate the sacred laws and tenents of the Church?

Archbishop Vorn OOC: Lazarus is the official leader of the KCC.
IC: Some Law and Tenets are foolish, and need to be done away with.

OOC:True but he isn't a Archbishop, Cardinal, abbot, Visar, bishop or church elder either. I wouldn't be surpised if he was making plans to deal with Archbishop Vorn so he can't challange and possable undermine his authority, maybe blame the Emperess and his enemies for the murder.

IC:You dare think you know better than the Pope and the Cardinals?" You are treading the line.

Archbishop Vorn.

OOC:True but he isn't a Archbishop, Cardinal, abbot, Visar, bishop or church elder either. I wouldn't be surpised if he was making plans to deal with Archbishop Vorn so he can't challange and possable undermine his authority, maybe blame the Emperess and his enemies for the murder.

IC:You dare think you know better than the Pope and the Cardinals?" You are treading the line.

Archbishop Vorn. OOC: Makes me think, interesting RP base-material.

IC: And what if I am? what can YOU do about it old man?

OOC:Yes people like him do tend to try to get rid of threats to their power and Archbishop Vorn is a threat, expecally as he is highly repected and well liked and if he could make it look like the emperess and followers did it, it would boaster his standing and make the emperess look really bad.

IC:A lot more than you think CHILD. A lot more than you can even Imagion.

Archbishop Vorn

OOC:Yes people like him do tend to try to get rid of threats to their power and Archbishop Vorn is a threat, expecally as he is highly repected and well liked and if he could make it look like the emperess and followers did it, it would boaster his standing and make the emperess look really bad.

IC:A lot more than you think CHILD. A lot more than you can even Imagion.

Archbishop Vorn OOC: RP time then?

IC: You would be wise to leave me and the Kechan Catholic Church to our business.

OOC:Of course.

IC:I will not. I will not allow the Flock to be led astray, no matter where they are nor allow you to voilate the sacred laws of the church and use the mother church for your own personal gain. Not while I live.

Archbishop Vorn

OOC:Of course.

IC:I will not. I will not allow the Flock to be led astray, no matter where they are nor allow you to voilate the sacred laws of the church and use the mother church for your own personal gain. Not while I live. I will stop you.

Archbishop Vorn

OOC:Of course.

IC:I will not. I will not allow the Flock to be led astray, no matter where they are nor allow you to voilate the sacred laws of the church and use the mother church for your own personal gain. Not while I live.

Archbishop Vorn OOC: Seperate thread?

IC: Remember, you said it.
~Lazarus.

OOC: Of course, a new thread.

IC: You will be stopped. The lord shall see to it, you Judas preist.

Archbishop Vorn

OOC: Of course, a new thread.

IC: You will be stopped. The lord shall see to it, you Judas preist.

Archbishop Vorn OOC: The RP will probably take place in your nation, do you want to make the thread?

IC: The Lord is on MY side in this Vorn!

Now this is funny! They still use that outdated system of "god"?! *muffled laughter in background* oh this is too much! *falls down laughing*

~Jill Scott, Social Commentator

Now this is funny! They still use that outdated system of "god"?! *muffled laughter in background* oh this is too much! *falls down laughing*

~Jill Scott, Social Commentator You begin to annoy me Jill Scott!
~Empress Kushrenada.

Aye, and me as well, you DARE mock God!?!
~Lazarus.

Aye, and me as well, you DARE mock God!?!
~Lazarus.

*laughter, lots of laughter behind the cammera as it shakes, Jill is on the ground rolling around and cluching her stomache laughing so hard she is wheezing for air*

"Oh by Ford's 12' Phallus! That was SOOOO Funny! Thanks for the good times Lazarus! Anyway in other news the music sensation The Purple Boots are on the Top Ten Charts with their new single Booa Booa!

~Jill Scott, Social Commentator

Aye, and me as well, you DARE mock God!?!
~Lazarus.

*laughter, lots of laughter behind the cammera as it shakes, Jill is on the ground rolling around and cluching her stomache laughing so hard she is wheezing for air*

"Oh by Ford's 12' Phallus! That was SOOOO Funny! Thanks for the good times Lazarus! Anyway in other news the music sensation The Purple Boots are on the Top Ten Charts with their new single Booa Booa!

~Jill Scott, Social Commentator Do I need to start calling on the Empress to order your land bombed?
~Lazarus.

I might listen to that suggestion there Lazarus.
~Empress Kushrenada.

Do I need to start calling on the Empress to order your land bombed?
~Lazarus.

I might listen to that suggestion there Lazarus.
~Empress Kushrenada.

OOC: Glad to be of help in giving them both something they agree on. :lol:

Do I need to start calling on the Empress to order your land bombed?
~Lazarus.

I might listen to that suggestion there Lazarus.
~Empress Kushrenada.

OOC: Glad to be of help in giving them both something they agree on. :lol: OOC: Thanks :lol: might want to speak fast to save yourself though :lol:

Uhh... Hello? Earth to Kecha! I'm just a social commentator for the Brave New Ford World! I'm not the freaking CONTROLLER for Ford's sake!

~Jill Scott, Social Commentator

Uhh... Hello? Earth to Kecha! I'm just a social commentator for the Brave New Ford World! I'm not the freaking CONTROLLER for Ford's sake!

~Jill Scott, Social Commentator I don't care, as far as I'm concerned, you speak for the BNFW, so please controll yourself, before you do the BNFW some irreparable damage.
~Empress Kushrenada.

After overhearing the report on Kecha, broadcasts from the Brave New Ford World are outlawed in Finara.

After overhearing the report on Kecha, broadcasts from the Brave New Ford World are outlawed in Finara. They aren't being outright banned in the Holy Empire, but they are being intercepted and censored.
~Empress Kushrenada.

After overhearing the report on Kecha, broadcasts from the Brave New Ford World are outlawed in Finara. They aren't being outright banned in the Holy Empire, but they are being intercepted and censored.
~Empress Kushrenada.

We can begin moving operatives into the country within the week if you wish. We just need some safe houses established. We can sneak in all our own equipment.

We can begin moving operatives into the country within the week if you wish. We just need some safe houses established. We can sneak in all our own equipment.

We can begin moving operatives into the country within the week if you wish. We just need some safe houses established. We can sneak in all our own equipment. We can't disguise you as Citizens, the Barcoding system is to hard to trick, being run by a sentient AI and all that, but we can establish Safehouses.

Send us some sample of the codes and we can break the algorithms.

Send us some sample of the codes and we can break the algorithms. Not possible, even if we sent you the Codes from a person's Barcode, it's beeen tried before, everyone is always captured after doing it, it's highly dangerous.

How about tourist cards or something to that effect.

How about tourist cards or something to that effect.

How about tourist cards or something to that effect. Possible, we could do something like that, we have people in the Customs Services anyway.

We will do that. We can bring in about 30 agents either all in the capitol or 3 groups in different cities.

We will do that. We can bring in about 30 agents either all in the capitol or 3 groups in different cities. All in the Capital if prefered, though we'll need to be so cautious.

they will begin arriving later this week.

OOC: should we start a new thread?

they will begin arriving later this week.

OOC: should we start a new thread? OOC: yeah, but who should start it?

OOC: well do u have security checking people going in the country? if so then u start it. if u have no secuiryt or a way around it because of the KCC ill start it at the safe house

OOC: well do u have security checking people going in the country? if so then u start it. if u have no secuiryt or a way around it because of the KCC ill start it at the safe house I'm under Martial Law right now, so I'll start it.

Belem: The link is here:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1825164#1825164

OOC: Of course, a new thread.

IC: You will be stopped. The lord shall see to it, you Judas preist.

Archbishop Vorn OOC: The RP will probably take place in your nation, do you want to make the thread?

IC: The Lord is on MY side in this Vorn!

OOC: Okay.

IC: Nay Judas Priest but I pray he shows you the light and turns you and those you would led away from the false path you preach. But intil then I will oppose and stop your madness.

Archbishop Vorn