NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Instead of making a new thread for everything, I'll stick everything here. Not godmoding, I plan to have these all finished in about a month (31 days).

IC:

1.) Trojan Class Battleship
Speed: 32 Knots
Main Armament: 12x ETC 16-inch Guns
Secondary Armament: 8x ETC 5-inch Guns (4x on each side)
VLS Tubes: 232x VLS tubes (108x SM-3MR, 72x ESSM-2, 36x TRO-32, 16x VLASROC)
Anti-Missile: 4x RIM-232 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) system
Anti-Submarine: 16x Warrior Mk 50 600mm supercavitating torpedoes
Anti-Ship: 36x Dagger Missiles (six sextuple launchers)
MLRS: 4x MLRS six-packs (48x missiles) with 2x ATACMS Block IIA missiles per side (16x ATACMS)
Close-In Weapons System: 8x 20mm Phalanx systems
Aircraft: 4x SH-60F Sea Hawks
Horsepower: 380,000
Cruise Missile: TRO-32 Land-Attack Kinetic Cruise Missile
Other: 2x 70mm SeaSlammer HYDRA rocket launchers (1x on each side)

2.) XS-3000 Red Lightsaber
When deactivated, a lightsaber appears as a polished metallic handle, about 24-30 centimeters long, lined with control studs. At the press of a button the energy contained within is liberated and forms as a shaft of pure energy about a meter long. The saber hums and scintillates with a distinct sound. Its shimmering blade is capable of cutting through almost anything, save for the blade of another lightsaber.

3.) MA5B Assault Rifle
http://www.ogresnet.com/halo/pics/w_assultrifle.jpg
Effective Range: 1000 feet
Payload: 60 rounds
Weight: 7 lbs.

The MA5B is a gas-operated, magazine-fed assault rifle. It fires 7.62 millimeter (.30 caliber) armor-piercing rounds. Rate of fire is limited by a soldier's ability to aim, fire and change magazines. Short, controlled bursts, rather than fully automatic fire, tend to be more accurate and generally saves bullets. The rifle also has a Digital Ammunition Counter and Compass. Because the rifle still fires rounds that have an impact, it is a favorite of all manner of soldiers. The only disadvantage is probably its lack of specially made features for it. However, if one is looking for a sturdy, reliable assault rifle, this is it.

4.) M90 Shotgun
http://www.ogresnet.com/halo/pics/w_shotgun.jpg
Effective Range: 200 feet
Payload: 12 slugs
Weight: 7 lbs.

The M90 is a pump-action magazine-fed (dual tubular non-detachable type) weapon. It fires 8 gauge magnum (3.5") rounds. This weapon is very useful against targets at close range and may be used to engage several targets simultaneously at long and medium range.

5.) S2 AM Sniper Rifle
http://www.ogresnet.com/halo/pics/w_sniper.jpg
Effective Range: 5000 feet
Payload: 4 rounds
Weight: 13 lbs.

Another gas-operated magazine-fed weapon. It comes also with a smart-link scope with a 2x and 10x magnification. As an added bonus, the scope comes with a nightvision capability making for one of the best, top of the line quality, precision sniper weapons. Its huge 14.5 millimeter (.57 caliber) fin-stabilized round makes for excellent range and which can drill through many surfaces. Because of the unique round the rifle fires, silencers and flash suppressors cannot be added to the weapon. Though silencers and flash suppressors cannot be added to the rifle, it still is a personal favorite of assassins and military snipers the world over.

6.) M19 SSM Rocket Launcher
http://www.ogresnet.com/halo/pics/w_rocket.jpg
Effective Range: 5000 feet
Payload: 2 rounds
Weight: 20 lbs.; 25 lbs. fully-loaded

The M19 is a man-portable, shoulder-fired rocket launcher that is self-loading; it has two major components, the launcher and the magazine. The magazine (the expendable part of the launcher) contains two 102mm shaped-charge, high-explosive rockets. It is designed for fast, easy detachment when having to reload. When the magazine is in, the twin barrels revolve in a circle (similar to a revolver pistol) and switch position so the magazine can drop the second rocket into the barrel ready for firing. The launcher also comes standard with a simple scope capable of 2x magnification.

7.) M12 LRV Warthog
http://echo419.forerunners.org/IMAGES/Renders/warthog_preview.JPG
Crew: 1-3
Weight: 3.25 tons

The M12 Light Reconnaissance Vehicle is fast and maneuverable, but prone to rollovers during hard cornering. A three-barreled, 12.7 millimeter M41 LAAG machine gun is mounted in the back. An armed passenger significantly increases the vehicle's anti-infantry capability.

8.) Priam Class Troop Dropship
http://echo419.forerunners.org/IMAGES/Renders/pelican_preview.JPG
Crew: 3 (plus up to 21 passengers)
Weight: 75 tons

The Priam Class Troop Dropship is extremely versatile, with room for up to 21 troops and a Warthog LRV slung under the tail. Its engine configuration gives the pilot precise control over the craft's maneuvering; it is capable of VTOL, as well as rotating in place. The Priam's armament consists of two 70mm heavy chainguns mounted on the wings, one 30mm minigun underneath the nose of the dropship, and two missile pods with four Hellfire air-to-surface missiles each.

9.) Aegean Class APC Dropship
Crew: 3
Weight: 90 tons

The Aegean Class APC Dropship is extremely versatile, with two pods capable of carrying two Zeus I APC's each attached to the belly of the ship or 40 passengers per pod. Its engine configuration gives the pilot precise control over the craft's maneuvering; it is capable of VTOL, as well as rotating in place. The Aegean's armament consists of two 70mm heavy chainguns mounted on the wings, one 30mm minigun underneath the nose of the dropship, and two missile pods with four Hellfire air-to-surface missiles each.

10.) Zeus I Armored Personal Carrier
Crew: 3 (plus up to 20 passengers)
Primary Armament: One 90mm electro-thermal-chemical cannon
Secondary Armament: One 12.7mm low-recoil armor-piercing machine gun
Weight: 22 tons
Maximum Speed: 65 miles per hour

11.)AT-AT Walker
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/diagram/walkers/watat.jpg

Height: 16 meters
Crew: 3
Weight: 200 tons

An All-Terrain Armored Transport walker's moveable "head" section contains the command cockpit, with room for the commander, pilot, and gunner. It also houses all the walker's weapons.

The AT-AT's main weapons are two 90mm electro-thermal-chemical cannons mounted beneath the head, on the "chin." Two 50mm cannons mounted on each side of the head provide supporting fire. They can be independently rotated for different targets. The head can rotate as much as ninety degrees right or left and thirty degrees up or down for a large field of fire. While the walker is slow in turning, this extensive field of fire enables the AT-AT to provide cover to its seemingly unprotected flanks.

AT-AT walkers have an immense armored body section that carries two M12 Warthog LRV's and up to forty troops. To unload troops, AT-AT walkers kneel three meters above ground level and sliding ramps on the main body section extend to the ground for exiting personnel and vehicles.

Beneath the main body section are the AT-AT's two immense drive motors. Four massive legs propel the walker at up to a top ground speed of thirty miles per hour, although this is possible only on flat, stable terrain.

Lucius Marcus
-The Trojan Empire-

I'm interested in purchasing some of those Warthogs once you get them researched. (ooc-and am I the only person who can drive those damn things? They never roll for me... maybe it's the PC controls...)

Agreed.

--Lucius Marcus

If you want Phalanix can be your supplier for the MA5B. Which is curently the main assult rifle for the CDF. Also the M90 is curently used as well in Phalanix which we would offer to supply you with aswell

Troy wishes to supply itself with the MA5B and M90.

Lucius Marcus
-The Trojan Empire-

Well then early warning the clips on the MA5B runn out very quickly in a heavy fire fight

OOC: I know, I've played Halo. :wink:

OOC:I love the Needler and the Shotgun and the Ghost

OOC: Shotgun ownz. But back to RPing. :P :wink:

Head-Bumps thread.

*sigh* Another bump, until I can use these weapons... :D

Anymore comments?

Guess not. :? :cry:

Battleships are expensive, add a longer ranged SAM to yours, like the SeaSparrow. The last thing you want is to lose an expensive vessel because an enemy aircraft got in too close. On the otherhand battleships got loads of armor and can probably survive under direct bombardment for at least a little bit.

SAM added...

Hektor: Am I to infer that this is the place for general commentary on your defence establishment? If so...

1.) What level of technology do you employ? You seem to be using everything from late 1930's to Star Wars.

2.) Where is your country: land, water, space?

3.) Describe your society and government:

4.) How important is international trade to your economy?

5.) Do you employ conscripts? Long-service professional? Short-term volunteer? Every man a soldier?

6.) What are your strategic goals?

7.) What is your operational doctrine?

8.) What is your tactical doctrine?

Hektor: Am I to infer that this is the place for general commentary on your defence establishment? If so...

1.) What level of technology do you employ? You seem to be using everything from late 1930's to Star Wars.

2.) Where is your country: land, water, space?

3.) Describe your society and government:

4.) How important is international trade to your economy?

5.) Do you employ conscripts? Long-service professional? Short-term volunteer? Every man a soldier?

6.) What are your strategic goals?

7.) What is your operational doctrine?

8.) What is your tactical doctrine?1.) Semi-future (notice the Star Wars weapons are "modernized")

2.) Land

3.) a.)Government - Monarch with an advisory council (Council of Elders); House of Commons is the representative body, however, the king can override or veto any action made by the house.
b.)Society - ? People are second to the economy (although they do have freedom of speech and freedom of religion)

4.) Very important at the current time.

5.) ? You have the choice to join the military or not during non-draft times, but drafts are held regularly.

6.) ?

7.) ?

8.) ?

Can the house override a veto?

What percentage of the population has seen service? For how long?

What percent of your armed forces are draftee? What composes the rest?

Can the house override a veto?

What percentage of the population has seen service? For how long?

What percent of your armed forces are draftee? What composes the rest?1.) No (rendering it mostly useless in the end), thus it is only used to dupe the populace into thinking that Troy is democratic. Most Trojans are not taught in school the the checks and balances portion of the government. NOTE: once a law is made; only the house (with 2/3 majority) can repeal it OR all 12 Elders vote to repeal the law.

2.) Currently Troy houses a large military, with 1.5% of the population in the military at all times. I would say perhaps 1 out of every 15 Trojan males serve at least one year of service in their lifetime. However, an average soldier is serves at least 7-10 years.

3.) 1/20, however drafts are only held after the standard amount of training for the previous draftees is completed (or longer).

So really, you don't ave a draft, but a universal militia system. This brings us back to Q(6): What are your strategic goals, ie what do you have so many men under arms for?

Classified. :wink:

Uhhhh....

To fight the Achaeans (Greeks) and several other nations later on. Sorry, I cannot reveal anything else.

Where, when and how? To achive what? What do their armies and navies look like? In RL this would all be readily available to anyone who cared to look.

1.) Invasion of Greece

2.) At least one RL month

3.) By dropships and several naval escorts

4.) For more land; retribution

5.) Will be similar to mine; semi-future technology (looking for some people to RP the Greek factions (Achaeans, Argives, Lacedaemons, Ithacans, Phaecians, Cretans)

Updated.

1.) If you have the tech for space-based military operations, H2O naval units (except submarines) are obsolete. Dump the battleships.

2.) Work on orbital fire-support, such as brilliant crowbars or particle beam.

3.) Are you just accross the Hellspont from them? If so, dump the dropships and focus on cheaper forms of transportation.

4.) For an offensive war of this sort, your massive wad of half-trained conscripts will be virtually useless. Stop wasting money on them and focus on a professional army.

5.) I assumed their tech was roughly equal to your, but what sort of milittary/naval organizations do they have? How are they raised, trained, led, equiped? Are they designed for offensive or defensive operations? What are their strategic goals and operational/tactical doctrine? Do you expect to fight them in the city or country?

6.) What are the relative strengths and weaknesses of your opposing forces? Of the opposing states?

The last is the most important thing. Without answering these questions, you cannoit hope to create and implement a viable strategy.

1.) Not space-capable (that is, no space navy)

2.) N/A

3.) We have transport vessels also and they're across the Aegean Sea

4.) Done.

5.) a.) Same as mine; b.) Same as me mostly; c.) Defensive; d.) Who cares?; e.) Both

6.) We have AT-AT Walkers - they don't; they have a better airforce than me.

q5: I'm not talking about what equipment they use, but how they fight wars. Do they take te offensive, or do they entrench and wait you out? Do they believe in dominant maneuver, or dominant firepower? Decisive battle or attrition?

Without knowing this about them, you cannot hope to be victorious.

q6: Again, you are mistaking equipment for the things that really matter. Do they have better soldiers? Small unit leaders? Superior generals? More bodies? Better training? SOF capability? Command and Control? Intelligence gathering?

In which of these areas do you or they have an advantage?

*Sigh*

5.) Whatever is necessary... :roll:

6.) Equal to me except for superior air force leaders

You're not following me, are you Hektor? Nations choose strategic and tactical doctrines based on cultural preferences, not strict logic. The nations of WWII were all fighting for their lives, yet each followed very different strategic precepts.

The Germans sought the decisive battle, as prophecied by Moltke. The French put their faith in fortification, which they believed had dominated WWI. The Japanese sought fait acompli, perhaps a holdover from feudal warfare. And the US carried out a war of attrition, as demonstrated by Grant and Sherman.

In the present day, the USSR has sought to reprise it's victory in WWII by creating and exploiting breaktroughs to attack lines of communication. Further, they sought to force German surrender by threatening cities, and to make terms with the French by agreeing to stop at the Franco-German border.

Until about 20 years ago, the US had no real doctrine. Faced with no losable land, a political situation that prohibited defence in depth, and a dubious ally (with seperate nuclear arsenal) to the rear, we muddled through with a "doctrine" generally referred to as "fight like hell for three days, then go nuclear.

The US Army's current operational doctrine is essentially Patton's, which is odd considering he had a crappy tank while we have one of the best. Nevertheless, the air-land battle, and dominant fire and maneuver is his, and it works very well for a mounted force. Unfortunately, we are now trying to shoehorn this doctrine into a counter-insurgency venue (Stryker Brigade) for which it is uniquely unsuited. This last would be obvious to a Royal Army veteran of the Maylay Rebellion, but the US Army cannot stomach abandoning it's vehicles.

And on and on....

Get the picture?

OH...

MY...

DEAR...

GOD!

I do not care! You know where my strategy comes from? When I'm on the battlefield... that's when strategy is needed. Want to know the strategy of the Greeks? I don't know! I plan on having someone RP as them! Now, what kind of free-form roleplay is it if I say to that player: you can't use your own strategy, you must do this and that and not do that.

My basic strategy? Deploy 20 or so AT-AT (800 troops, 40 Warthogs) with light aircover and blow the enemy to pieces until it is deemed necessary for the ground troops to unload.

If not: I'll use my dropships. For more heavy combat operations, Aegeans will be deployed; for more lighter and standard operations I use the usual Priams.

Navy? Since I have a small airforce, battleships will be utilized often along with submarines. Happy?

And BTW, it's Hector. :wink:

That's not a strategy, it's barely an outline of tactics. The RP issue is valid, but it's pointless to design a force until you know something about the people you're fighting.

And I'm sure it's Hektor... :wink:

Alright then, what strategy would you suggest?

Also a few points on Troy's military:
1.) Based on true honor (meaning we do not torture POW's, suckerpunch soldiers on the battlefield, etc., most of the time)

2.) Commanders are chosen by military ability, not by nobility or royalty

3.) As I stated, we use a heavy armored attack with fewer ground troops.

And yes, Hektor is ancient Greek, but since all this has been translated into modern English, it's Hector. Either way works. :wink:

Troy has received 48 billion USD in funds. 40 billion shall go to the development of the above military projects and further training of soldiers. 4 billion shall be donated to enhance the already strong education system. The rest shall remain in the national treasury.

King Priam
-The Trojan Empire-

OOC: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81170&start=20

Have you considered the terrain? Greece is mountainous, generally unsuited for armor/cavalry action. Further, most of it is within te littoral zone, giving the advantage to the person who maneuvers from the sea.

Design accordingly.

Have you thought about were your enemies will be fighting, urban or rural. Most records of inter-city Greek warfare indicate that it took place outside te cities proper, though they did get pillaged afterward.

Design accordingly.

Greece is very close to the Asian mainland, and several disputed islands lie between. The agean is a very small sea, always within reach of a land base.

Design accordingly.

10-4.

Oh, and... we may be updating, but I'm a traditionalist :wink:

tag for later use.. some of these things I use, some I don't