NationStates Jolt Archive

Rules:

The only nations that may post in this thread are:
1. Automagfreek
2. Ma-Tek
3. Ourselves
4. Any nation explicitely invited by either nation, with the approval of the Vortex Corporation.

The Vortex Corporation will act as a neutral nation here.

Conference

The Vortex Corporation hereby invites Automagfreek and Ma-Tek to hold talks over a secure connection that we will provide. The purpose of these talks is to find out the differences between them that have caused this situation. We hope they can identify several issues that they agree upon, however insignificant they might seem. Even the smallest detail can lay a foundation for an eventual solution.

So, please, use this space and time to talk to each other about what it would take to end this crisis. Please don't use big signatures or rethoric, just state your own point of view and try to talk it out.

Also, please try not to be sarcastic, insulting or cynical. The best way to go would be an objective an rational manner of conversation, which increases the probability of everybody keeping their cool.

OOC: I was previously invited by AMF...

Do you wish to renew this AMF?

OOC: Yes, Steel and Pantera are the only ones I invite.

Allright, then let's agree on the following:

Each nation gets to invite two allies to the talks. Those allies are also forbidden to use signatures. They take up too much space and are a possible distraction from what truly matters.

Ma-Tek is therefore also allowed to invite two friends to these talks. Also, it would be best if either AMF or Ma-Tek makes the next reply, and that none of the invited nations does so. So please wait until AMf or EOTED has posted, and the other one has made his first reply.

After that, post when you want. We will only interfere when absolutely necessary.

Each nation gets to invite two allies to the talks. Those allies are also forbidden to use signatures. They take up too much space and are a possible distraction from what truly matters.


Even when the Posts are IC? Not to hijack...but this isn't needed. Signatures are just that...signatures of our leaders.

The Empire formally invites Whispering Voices and the Federation of Sentient Peoples to these talks.

I am Ambassador Nejure, and I shall be the EOTED representative for the duration.

~ Ambassador Nejure

Whispering Voices will send Cardinal Matthias Schmidt to the negotiations. He is well-respected throughout the Diocesal Administration for his bringing of peace to the conflict in British Imperialism.

AMF will send Foreign Affiars Minister Hartman to the discussions.

The Federation accepts the offer of our Eternal Ally, the Empire of the Eternal Dawn to participate in these talks.

Our representative shall be Minister Currey, head of the International Relations Directorate.

From now on, it shall be his voice you hear.

Steel Butterfly will send General Rei Warheit to the meeting. Do not be mislead by his title, the young general is a very smart man and a political genious.

Allright. We would like to thank all nations involved for their pledges of support to their relative sides in this situation. Now, we would like to call upon Ma-Tek to make the first statement, as he appears to be the initiator of the current situation. Please re-state as short and comprehensive as possible, for once and for all, what your demands are and why they are being made.

Pantera has not sent anyone yet.

OOC: My apologies, the forums are giving me hell...

IC:

Pantera shall send the Dragon Prince, Rhaegar Targaryen, to speak on behalf of the Reavers. High Seat of House Targaryen and Berserker General, Rhaegar is one of the most accomplished and respected Lords in Pantera.

Each nation gets to invite two allies to the talks. Those allies are also forbidden to use signatures. They take up too much space and are a possible distraction from what truly matters.


Even when the Posts are IC? Not to hijack...but this isn't needed. Signatures are just that...signatures of our leaders.

Vortex...why can't I use a sig...

Thoughts of Cardinal Matthias, upon hearing the name of the Panteran delegate:

How on earth can I take this seriously? I really liked Martin's books, too.

He may be seen to look somewhat mournful as he takes his position, his rich robes of office replaced by a smart suit and a Bible, with a crucifix hanging prominently around his neck.

SB, because it clogs up the thread and because signatures are irrelevant here. Everybody here knows who you are, and you know who we are.

Once again, everybody please hold until EOTED makes his opening statement.

The Empire has decided after long and careful consideration that the only remaining requirement we have of AMF is that they demilitarise extensively, preferably to a level where offensive action becomes utterly impossible.

In return, we will extend guarantees to stand by AMF in a time of war, as it will be primarily our responsibility - we will have weakened them, and so we will move to protect them at need.

~ Ambassador Nejure

AMF will not lower it's military, because it is already at a non-offensive level....that is, until this incident started up.

If that's your only request, it's already been done awhile ago.

-Minister Hartman-

Maybe ambassador Nejure can clarify his stance a little, perhaps with more detailed descriptions of her demands?

AMF will not lower it's military, because it is already at a non-offensive level....that is, until this incident started up.

If that's your only request, it's already been done awhile ago.

-Minister Hartman-

"Would it honestly hurt you to lessen a bit more...for the sake of peace? Loose a few ships...gain a huge defender....?"

~General Warheit

"Would it honestly hurt you to lessen a bit more...for the sake of peace? Loose a few ships...gain a huge defender....?"

~General Warheit

It's already as low as we can afford to get it, we dare not risk cutting it back further.

-Minister Hartman-

The Reaver, Rhaegar snorts derisively at this, but holds his silence for the moment as he watches, judging the other ambassadors with cool, smokey-grey eyes.

I note that the Nation of Automagfreek already possesses powerful allies, and that with the addition of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn and the Federation as protectors, it should hardly need possess a military at all.

~Currey

OOC: Nejure is male, Vort....

[OOC: :shock: whoops! Edited]

I note that the Nation of Automagfreek already possesses powerful allies, and that with the addition of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn and the Federation as protectors, it should hardly need possess a military at all.

~Currey

OOC: Nejure is male, Vort....

I also note that with EOTED's previously hostile attitude, there is nothing to reassure AMF's safety in the unlikely event that disarmament occurs.

-Rhaegar

I note that the Nation of Automagfreek already possesses powerful allies, and that with the addition of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn and the Federation as protectors, it should hardly need possess a military at all.

~Currey

OOC: Nejure is male, Vort....

OOC: But most nations ignore space tech

IC:

Although a good offer, AMF is plenty capable of protecting itself. All we ask is that EOTED stay out of our affairs.

-Minister Hartman-

Cardinal Matthias Schmidt sits stock still, until the point when Minister Hartman finishes his last words.

"9 million genetically engineered clones and over one thousand, one hundred troop transport ships is scarcely an amount needed to defend an island, Minister Hartman. A half-million men and no troop transports would seem closer to a true 'defensive' posture, with more resources spent instead on defences against shipping and aerial assaults. 9 million men in the Armed Services is close on to nine percent - an insanely high number. It must be crippling to your economy to maintain such a large number of personnel at military standards as is."

Cardinal Matthias Schmidt sits stock still, until the point when Minister Hartman finishes his last words.

"9 million genetically engineered clones and over one thousand, one hundred troop transport ships is scarcely an amount needed to defend an island, Minister Hartman. A half-million men and no troop transports would seem closer to a true 'defensive' posture, with more resources spent instead on defences against shipping and aerial assaults."

Most of our subs and transports were given to us by the late Sniper Country. And besides, it is our government's choice and it's choice ALONE how many personnel are in the AMF military.

-Minister Hartman-

Gentlemen, before we continue, we ask that EOTED's supporting nations do not ask for concrete cutbacks in the military. We think it would be more appropriate if EOTED would be the one to bring concrete numbers to the table.

"My point, Minister Hartman, is that having close on eight percent of your populace as active soldiers is in no way defensive. And if your attitude is that your military is not open to negotiation, why indeed are we here?"

Gentlemen, before we continue, we ask that EOTED's supporting nations do not ask for concrete cutbacks in the military. We think it would be more appropriate if EOTED would be the one to bring concrete numbers to the table.

You will note our numbers are ballpark suggestions, not demands.

Gentlemen, before we continue, we ask that EOTED's supporting nations do not ask for concrete cutbacks in the military. We think it would be more appropriate if EOTED would be the one to bring concrete numbers to the table.

You will note our numbers are ballpark suggestions, not demands.

I was not referring to your reply. I was merely pointing something out for the future.

~Nejra Paktu

"I guess it remains up to me to point out the obvious. These discussions are meaningless, at the moment.

Why doesn't the Empire of the Eternal Dawn reduce its own fucking armed forces? As of this moment, I have yet to see anything that shows me they are in a position to make demands of the Sentinels, or vice versa."

-Rhaegar

"I guess it remains up to me to point out the obvious. These discussions are meaningless, at the moment.

Why doesn't the Empire of the Eternal Dawn reduce its own f--- armed forces? As of this moment, I have yet to see anything that shows me they are in a position to make demands of the Sentinels, or vice versa."

-Rhaegar

Exactly. Should not the aggressor (in this case, EOTED) be the one reducing their military?

With nations like Ma-tek openly trying to draw us into war, it's no wonder why we have such a large percent of military personnel.

-Minister Hartman-

"Lord Rhaegar, one more use of profanity will force me to remove you from this conference, without the chance for AMF to bring in a new support nation. Please be careful with your choice of language"

~Nejra

The Empire suggests a disarmament to a figure of two million combatants, with all troop transport facilities to be scrapped within twelve months.

~ Ambassador Nejure

"I guess it remains up to me to point out the obvious. These discussions are meaningless, at the moment.

Why doesn't the Empire of the Eternal Dawn reduce its own f--- armed forces? As of this moment, I have yet to see anything that shows me they are in a position to make demands of the Sentinels, or vice versa."

-Rhaegar

Exactly. Should not the aggressor (in this case, EOTED) be the one reducing their military?

With nations like Ma-tek openly trying to draw us into war, it's no wonder why we have such a large percent of military personnel.

-Minister Hartman-

Ah, but you see, there are the details you leave out. You had those troops well before the current situation.

They are not related in any way to EOTED's recent actions, are they?

The Empire suggests a disarmament to a figure of two million combatants, with all troop transport facilities to be scrapped within twelve months.

~ Ambassador Nejure

Please allow AMF to reply to this first before anything else.

The Empire suggests a disarmament to a figure of two million combatants, with all troop transport facilities to be scrapped within twelve months.

~ Ambassador Nejure

Unacceptable.

We suggest that EOTED's military force be cut down, and not AMF's.

Ah, but you see, there are the details you leave out. You had those troops well before the current situation.

They are not related in any way to EOTED's recent actions, are they?

One day, out of the blue, Ma-tek decides to drop in, maing outrageous demands of the Empire in an attempt to draw us into a war.

Had we not previously had such a high number of combat ready troops, who's to say that Ma-tek wouldn't have taken advantage of that fact?

Thre are many nations that dislike AMF, and a large standing military is neccessary if we are to protect oursleves and our people.

-Minister Hartman-

The Reaver waves a hand dismissively and laughs,"Remove me from this conference? This farce was your idea, I merely point out what is readily apparent to anyone who would look: That there is nothing to discuss.

I piss on what you feel is proper language, but perhaps I can explain things clearer, without the use of 'profanity'.

These fools claimed to be ready to 'annex' Automagfreek. They boasted it would be immediate, and unnegotiable. However, when we bare our own fangs, they quiver and sue for peace.

From where I sit, we are back to square one. With them doing nothing. And the Blood Pact remaining defiant. Reduce armed forces in the face of threats? That is the obscenity."

-Raegar

But again, protection does not require transports. Transports are used only for offense.

~Currey.

Might we propose that the participants also consider a treaty that limits the offensive capabilities of Automagfreek to a certain extint, which might be more acceptable than actually downsizing their military?

~Nejra

But again, protection does not require transports. Transports are used only for offense.

~Currey.

If war is upon us, being an island nation, we must be able to have an offensive force. The large number of transports in neccessary should war come upon us.

AMF cannot only be allowed to play defense in a conflict, and you know that. If a nation decides to fight us, then we will bring the fight to them, and not sit with our thumbs up you-know-where because you feel it's right.

-Minister Hartman-

We are not the aggressors. If you recall, we have made no aggressive action.

However, as we are, as ever, eminently merciful... the Empire will cut its ground forces by the same numerical level that AMF cuts their military forces by.

We are gracefully willing to cut our forces by six million troops, and hold to our offer of protection for AMF against potential aggressors.

~ Ambassador Nejure

We are not the aggressors. If you recall, we have made no aggressive action.

However, as we are, as ever, eminently merciful... the Empire will cut its ground forces by the same numerical level that AMF cuts their military forces by.

We are gracefully willing to cut our forces by six million troops, and hold to our offer of protection for AMF against potential aggressors.

~ Ambassador Nejure

Regardless, you instigated this whole situation.

AMF does not need your protection, and we don't even require you to cut your military.

All we ask is that you forever more stay out of AMF's business, as AMF has ALWAYS stayed out of yours.

-Minister Hartman-

We came in good faith, expecting you to do the same, Minister Hartman. But instead you insult us with your blatent refusal to even consider that there might be interest for all concerned?

You are worried about the Empire's supposed 'warlike tendecies,' just as we are worried about your aggressiveness. A one to one cut back, with a one sided offer of protection, which you are under no obligation to return, is a long way from us wiping out that military.

Do what you will, it is your nation. But we have lowered our requests in good faith, and I ask that you negociate in the same.

I would hate to think we are all wasting time and bandwidth at this conference.

~Currey.

Honestly, AMF did nothing to warrent what Ma-tek did, so why should we have to pay the price for their actions? How is that fair to us to have to decrease our military size? We did nothing, so how can you sit there and say that we must suffer because of Ma-tek?

If that's the case, AMF will go around bullying others just so they will have to decrease their military. :roll:

-Minister Hartman-

That is the whole point of this exercise, Hartman. To prevent AMF from bullying others. Please either be reasonable, or these negociations will end.

~Currey.

That is the whole point of this exercise, Hartman. To prevent AMF from bullying others. Please either be reasonable, or these negociations will end.

~Currey.

Since the Dreadfire Administration came into power, AMF hs kept to itself, and has slowly backed out of international troubles. How can you say that we will go around bullying others? If anything, you're bullying us to comply with these bogus terms. Ma-tek should be the one who has to pay the price, not us.

I do not think we are begin unreasonable in asking that the finger be pointed at the real culprit (Ma-tek) and not us. Besides, we are negotiating with Ma-tek, and not Sentient Peoples.

-Minister Hartman-

The young general sat idle as the insults flew across the table at each other. He shook his head.

"Frankly...I don't see the difference in whether or not both of you cut down a certain number, or if neither of you cut down anything. Ambassador, the Dreadfire administration appears to not want your protection. It would probably be a good idea not to keep offering them. By "putting him under your protection" you are doing just what he doesn't want...being above him and making him owe you something in return. You would be the "master" then and him the lesser of the two nations."

Warheit cleared his throat.

"As for you not being the aggressors..."

Smiling, the general took a sip of his water.

"Indeed, you have not made any aggressive military action. Yet nevertheless you are the aggressor. How can this be you ask? You told AMF, without any prior notice, that you possessed their nation. You told the world that you were innocent and graceful for not wanting to harm anybody. Did you really think that AMF would just accept this? Of course not. You expected AMF to get fired up and talk of war...and then you played your card. You became to your allies the one being "attacked", attempting to blind the inter-galactic community to your plans. It didn't work, and now you're backpedaling, trying to still get something out of this mess. It won't work. We will not stand for it."

~General Rei Warheit

You're 100% right General.

And that is why we will not comply with any demilitarization demands, for we are the one being wronged, not EOTED.

-Minister Hartman-

The Panteran slams a hand down on the table, nodding his agreement furiously,"Hear hear! Well said, General!"

-Rhaegar

"So, by that token, Minister Hartman, I take it that you are unwilling to meet any demands placed upon your nation? That, in fact, you are not here to negotiate at all?"

Minister Heartman, you have repeatedly stated that AMf has withdrawn from the international scene as much as possible, with the intent to not get involved in international crises. Now, we might have a solution with which you can not only prove that such is your policy, but it might also allow this crisis to end.

AMF will be forbidden to wage war for a period of 40 years, except when attacked first, or when defending an official ally (one with which official ties have existed since before this crisis). Also, when defending an ally, AMF will only be allowed to place military forces on the territory of that ally, not on the territory of the agressor, thus limiting its interventions to a defensive stance. If AMF succeeds in obeying this treaty for 40 years (a.k.a. 40 RL days), EOTED acknowledges AMF as a non-warmongering nation and drops his claims.

Now, a third, neutral nation will be needed to check AMF's actions and report on them truthfully. During this crisis, we ourselves have found that the Dread Lady Nathicana has been one of those that desired peace, instead of (cold) war. We consider her perfect for the job, as she has no official ties with either of you, as well as a respected reputation.

Please, tell us what you think of this possibility. And remember, gentlemen, that we are trying to prevent a war of unseen proportions here. Just think what would happen if the major alliances of our time would all get involved. None of us would survive.

~Nejra Paktu

Cardinal Matthias looks scornful. "'Dread Lady' Nathicana? Her weasly manipulations of the situation and veiled insults to both sides scarcely suggest her as a candidate for neutrality. If we're going to chose someone neutral - and this discussion is in no way any indication that I support this proposal, because I do not - at least let's find someone who is actually neutral."

Cardinal Matthias looks scornful. "'Dread Lady' Nathicana? Her weasly manipulations of the situation and veiled insults to both sides scarcely suggest her as a candidate for neutrality. If we're going to chose someone neutral - and this discussion is in no way any indication that I support this proposal, because I do not - at least let's find someone who is actually neutral."

Cardinal, the proposal is intended for EOTED and AMF. Please abstain from further comments until they have considered it. One thing though: DLN has joined neither side in this conflict and condemned both their actions. What other prove of the fact that she won't join the side of either nation would you need?

(which is, a rethorical question)

~Nejra Paktu

"The purpose for which the allies of those two countries are here is to give opinions and suggestions to said countries. Not being psychic and not having had pen and paper provided, I fail to see how such can be provided without actually speaking. A neutral nation would be one not currently involved at all, I hasten to add. Given the eventual decision rests with the Eternal Dawn and Automagfreek, it scarce makes sense to tender our opinions after they've had to decide, does it?"

He gives Nejra a polite smile and sips from a glass of water.

Nejra arches an eyebrow. "Yes, you're right. My apologies."

After which he awaits the responses from AMF and Ma-Tek.

Minister Heartman, you have repeatedly stated that AMf has withdrawn from the international scene as much as possible, with the intent to not get involved in international crises. Now, we might have a solution with which you can not only prove that such is your policy, but it might also allow this crisis to end.

AMF will be forbidden to wage war for a period of 40 years, except when attacked first, or when defending an official ally (one with which official ties have existed since before this crisis). Also, when defending an ally, AMF will only be allowed to place military forces on the territory of that ally, not on the territory of the agressor, thus limiting its interventions to a defensive stance. If AMF succeeds in obeying this treaty for 40 years (a.k.a. 40 RL days), EOTED acknowledges AMF as a non-warmongering nation and drops his claims.

Now, a third, neutral nation will be needed to check AMF's actions and report on them truthfully. During this crisis, we ourselves have found that the Dread Lady Nathicana has been one of those that desired peace, instead of (cold) war. We consider her perfect for the job, as she has no official ties with either of you, as well as a respected reputation.

Please, tell us what you think of this possibility. And remember, gentlemen, that we are trying to prevent a war of unseen proportions here. Just think what would happen if the major alliances of our time would all get involved. None of us would survive.

~Nejra Paktu

Utterly unacceptable. There are many forms of aggression, and not all of them are militarily based. Therefore, I must note that without a reduction in the size of the AMF military (which is, I might note, woefully overbloated for a nation that apparently is not aggressive, and has no clear direct enemy against which to guard it's borders) that we will be forced to examine other avenues of... persuasion.

We will not escalate matters to open warfare, but as I pointed out moments ago, there are many forms of aggression - many of which do not involve the military at all.

~ Ambassador Nejure

[OOC: NOTE: I am turning this down for largely OOC reasons. Basically, 40 RL days for me is 40 NS days - not forty years. I play in real-time, and I will not accelerate time in the Empire just for a treaty. So that really can't work.]

Look, these suggestions are getting utterly ridiculas.

All AMF wants is to be left alone, bottom line. Dreadfire does not et oof at throwing military might around, regardless of anyone's opinions. He did not want to go into New Spartha, but he felt he had to, because New Spartha was directly threatening AMF and it's assets.

Contrary to popular belief, AMF is not a trigger happy nation, at least not now. So, how about I make an offer, seeing as everyody else is throwing their $.2 around.

AMF and Ma-tek will forever more disassociate themselves. AMF and EOTED will not interact in any way any more, and if a certain situation arises (AMF on one side, EOTED on another) both parties WILL avoid contact with one another as much as possible

-Minister Hartman-

OOC: Yes, this is basically another BitchFest protocol.

The young general sat idle as the insults flew across the table at each other. He shook his head.

"Frankly...I don't see the difference in whether or not both of you cut down a certain number, or if neither of you cut down anything. Ambassador, the Dreadfire administration appears to not want your protection. It would probably be a good idea not to keep offering them. By "putting him under your protection" you are doing just what he doesn't want...being above him and making him owe you something in return. You would be the "master" then and him the lesser of the two nations."

Warheit cleared his throat.

"As for you not being the aggressors..."

Smiling, the general took a sip of his water.

"Indeed, you have not made any aggressive military action. Yet nevertheless you are the aggressor. How can this be you ask? You told AMF, without any prior notice, that you possessed their nation. You told the world that you were innocent and graceful for not wanting to harm anybody. Did you really think that AMF would just accept this? Of course not. You expected AMF to get fired up and talk of war...and then you played your card. You became to your allies the one being "attacked", attempting to blind the inter-galactic community to your plans. It didn't work, and now you're backpedaling, trying to still get something out of this mess. It won't work. We will not stand for it."

~General Rei Warheit

"You know, just before I switched on the trimensional system which allows it to seem as if you fine people are all present with me," and Nejure waves a hand, including everyone but General Rei Warheit in that statement, "I was viewing INN, and happened to hear something that a school child said on this whole affair. Shall I tell you what he said?"

Nejure makes a show of taking a long, careful sip of water, holding up his other hand to indicate that it would be unwise to interrupt - he isn't finished, and the question was rhetorical.

"I'll tell you indeed," he continues, "the child said, 'When my mummy and daddy finish shouting at each other, sometimes they talk about who started it and why, and then they just start all over again with the shouting.' I recall that the reporter visiting the school didn't quite understand why the child was saying that, but I think the meaning is clear - even if the child herself did not understand the words she used. Out of the mouths of babes, indeed. 'You started it!' 'No, you started it!'"

He snorts derisivley. "Please. If I were so disposed, I could easily point out that EOTED actions in this situation have not been aggressive, but in fact, have been assertive - I trust I do not have to explain the complex word to you? Good. Yet I feel that would be pointless. Instead, I move that we ignore all such questions as to who is responsible for what and who is the aggressor, and instead perhaps try to move forwards? It is said that when one stands still, one is truly moving backwards, after all. And behind us lies only a war of words; to continue is to escalate. And I believe you," pointed look at the AMF delegate, "do not wish that to happen. You have more to lose."

Alright, I'm tired of semantics. I'm tired of you twisting everything we say.

Hartman stood.

From now on, you stay the hell out of our business.

And with that, Hartman walked out.

Look, these suggestions are getting utterly ridiculas.

All AMF wants is to be left alone, bottom line. Dreadfire does not et oof at throwing military might around, regardless of anyone's opinions. He did not want to go into New Spartha, but he felt he had to, because New Spartha was directly threatening AMF and it's assets.

Contrary to popular belief, AMF is not a trigger happy nation, at least not now. So, how about I make an offer, seeing as everyody else is throwing their $.2 around.

AMF and Ma-tek will forever more disassociate themselves. AMF and EOTED will not interact in any way any more, and if a certain situation arises (AMF on one side, EOTED on another) both parties WILL avoid contact with one another as much as possible

-Minister Hartman-

OOC: Yes, this is basically another BitchFest protocol.

Nejure rolls his eyes, clearly not favouring that option at all. "Please. Do you seriously believe that the Empire of the Eternal Dawn would be willing to merely wander away after devoting so much public attention to this? I suggest you consider that which you ask before you ask it; this is no compromise. This is simply...."

He makes a show of seeking the words.

"...an arrogant attempt to divert us from our chosen path. Unacceptable."

[OOC: Yeah, but there's a difference: an EOTED - AMF war would not result in planetary destruction.]

While the delegates are leaving the conference one by one, Paktu realizes what just happened. There had been a small chance that this conference could work things out. At least, that was what the Daiamid thought. Apparently, they had been too optimistic.
The recordings of the conference were sent to those who had participated in it. In the case of AMF and Ma-Tek, an additional message was included.

Thank you for your time. The fact that you were willing to talk, might be a sign that this crisis still has possible peaceful solutions. However, we fear the next step may very well be violence.

We can not stop you from inflicting death and pain at each other. That is your own decision. But when the smoke rises high above your cities, when women cry over their slain husbands and sons, and when innocent corpses lie bloody and battered across your lands, realize that you had an opportunity to prevent the bloodshed.

Each of you seems to have the illusion that sovereignty, power and wealth are greater goods than human life. Please recall that it is ever so easy to destroy. The true challenge will always lie in creation. Realize that violence and destruction are always the easy way out.

~The Council

Cardinal Matthias watched Hartman walk out, a pitying expression on his face. "Still," he mutters afterwards, "the intelligence level of the room just quadrupled with that man leaving. Good day, Prince Rhaegar, General Warheit."

He left.

Producing a flask of brandy from inside his cloak, Rhaegar drinks deeply and nods his approval before offering it around the table to the remaining diplomats,"That dinna go quite as well as expected."

Currey's hologram flicked out. They were done here.

***********

High over head, the fighter wings moved closer to the formerly AMF satellites, to guage a response.

Flight Officer Oxtoby wondered what would happen when they started dragging the satellites in for reprogramming....

Flight Officer Oxtoby wondered what would happen when they started dragging the satellites in for reprogramming....

Then the Orion Sector Alliance will destroy your craft.

Flight Officer Oxtoby wondered what would happen when they started dragging the satellites in for reprogramming....

Then the Orion Sector Alliance will destroy your craft.

I'm sure walten can take care of this

Flight Officer Oxtoby wondered what would happen when they started dragging the satellites in for reprogramming....

Then the Orion Sector Alliance will destroy your craft.

I'm sure walten can take care of thisYes I most certainly will.

Cspalla will send the 8th Star Fleet to suport OSA forces in this situation.

This thread is ended. Let it die.