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Elves are constantly able to evade the law due to the fact that ma tek and menalmecar protects elves no matter what they do even if they are wrong. This universal diplomatic immunity based on race is going to be stopped immeditaly. Due to Acrenas hotzone between Belem on one side and Dark Terror on the other the only way for Elves to leave is through the Gulf of Belem or an Arid Windswept desert with only mountains to greet them on the otherside and then more oceans.

Unless any nations sympathetic to the Elf cause will be willing to neutralize the problem either by allowing Elves to be treated as horribily as any other minority or send them back to where they came from they will have three choices.

1) The Water
2) The Desert then the Water
3) Belem and past Belem DT

Your Call

Elves have no rights in Belem if they enter the country they will be killed not by the military, not by the police but by everyday citizens who blame them(among others) for all of lifes problems.

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Unknown concept of species: <Elf>.
Situation offers abilty to aquire//take samples of unknown species <Elf>. Aquired//taken samples may be researched//tested by <Dissector Sect> to determine value and mental//emotional//physical atributes of <Elf>.

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From: Unity Utopia.
To: Acrena.
Subject: Elves.

Pleasant day to you, sir/ma'am.

We are a private company intend of proving that under the correct and optimum circumstances all species can live togheter in small communties.

We have establised several communities already, but we wish to add residents. There for we wish to be allowed to help you with your problem as well as fullfilling our desire by 'deporting' a 100 Elves.

These Elves can simply be send by plane to one of the larger international airports outside your nation, hired transports shall then take them to the communities.
Details can surely be handled by our underlings for maximum haste.

Pleasant day, sir/ma'am.

J. Ovah.
Unity Utopia.

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E-mail send. Cover company <Unity Utopia> has been implemented.
Awaiting response from human\\animal government <Acrena>.

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<Dissector Sect>
We await the samples. Equipment for surgery and psycological testing is being prepared for new subjects <Elves>.

We will accept all your elven "criminals" as refugees in our nation. We will give them a trial by elven law. Also, if you want to deport all your elven population, we're willing to accept them. As a matter of fact, we can pay you for each elf that you deport to our country, and give you the insurance that they won't leave Aelosia again for any reason.

[ooc A long time ago, there once was a thread called "'Final Solution' to the Elvish problem?" If I could find it, i'd show it to you. Really fun thing, heh. --Felix]

Acrena you should sell the elves for 1000 dollars a head.

I blanket-ignore future tech, so I could care less about matek or menelmacar.

If you are adamant on removing a perfectly productive element of your population because of teneous species-based issues, we will be happy to take them off your hands and take them somewhere where they will be of no further concern to you.

Upon your approval we will dispatch ships to pick as many up as you are exiling.

FATHER

Don't grant your minorities immunity, just treat them equally.

Unless any nations sympathetic to the Elf cause will be willing to neutralize the problem either by allowing Elves to be treated as horribily as any other minority

The Confederacy of Ravenspire is extending an offer of asylum to minorities within Acrena. All of them.

Sakura Kitsuki

The gevernment of Thelas is deploying a grav-fleet to the international waters ajoining the Golf of Belem, any attack upon these ships will be considerd and Act of War.

With all respect to Ravenspire and Thelas, we have an interest in securing any elves who seek sanctuary as potential AO citizens. For some time we have been interested in cultivating an elven population to attempt to attain a greater species diversity, and what better way than also to provide homes for those who would normally suffer at the hands of an evidently unstable regime.

Naturally, any elves who do not desire AO citizenship will be free to pursue whatever course they like and to apply for citizenship elsewhere.

Acceptable?

FATHER

Might we point out that there is another solution? Celeborne has been specializing in these sort of issues lately, and he will be able to solve your problems:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71762&highlight=

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VTX

Anything non-human has long since been executed, or exiled into Luporum. It is very rare that they try to return, but when they do, they are greeted with a public execution.

Elves should know by now to never step foot in Iron Blood. Plenty of room in Luporum, and if not, they can play with the wolves/lions.

I just remembered this. Acrena you should sell the elves to Melkor. He'll pay top dollar for more slaves.

I just remembered this. Acrena you should sell the elves to Melkor. He'll pay top dollar for more slaves.

Minor problem, Menelmacar, and myself, will stop any transports before they get to Impirium waters. Bajon learned that.

so youll kill the elves in the process.

Galdania will accept an criminals, and they will be tried under Galdanian Law. If they have been deported for their race, ethnicity, or species, they will be allowed to either stay in galdania as citizens, or sent to Menelmacar, or any other nation they wish to go to.

Well if you can't sell them to Melkor then: kill them, dump their bodies in the ocean, and pretend like nothing ever happened.

I would urge you to think rationally about this situation before acting. Three options are presented to you by various parties, release the elves into our asylum, attempt to sell them as slaves or merely kill them. By releasing the elves into asylum you remove the problem which provoked you to begin this course of action in the first place. By attempting to sell them you do stand to make a small amount of money. However, given the number of elf-friendly regimes likely to act, it is probably not worth the danger involved. As for just killing the elves, that is pure insanity, gaining you nothing except the anger of other nations, and we would urge you not to listen to the deranged ramblings of Iron Blood on the matter anymore.

Please allow us to intervene and remove your problem for you by taking away the elves. We will guarantee they will cease to be your problem forever.

All details are negotiable and I welcome the opening of a dialogue between us.

FATHER

I would urge you to think rationally about this situation before acting. Three options are presented to you by various parties, release the elves into our asylum, attempt to sell them as slaves or merely kill them. By releasing the elves into asylum you remove the problem which provoked you to begin this course of action in the first place. By attempting to sell them you do stand to make a small amount of money. However, given the number of elf-friendly regimes likely to act, it is probably not worth the danger involved. As for just killing the elves, that is pure insanity, gaining you nothing except the anger of other nations, and we would urge you not to listen to the deranged ramblings of Iron Blood on the matter anymore.

Please allow us to intervene and remove your problem for you by taking away the elves. We will guarantee they will cease to be your problem forever.

All details are negotiable and I welcome the opening of a dialogue between us.

FATHER

If you don't like elves, why don't you just let Menelmacar or EOTED take them?

Last time I checked, Menelmacar had a "Send Us All the Elves You Don't Want" policy.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Well if you can't sell them to Melkor then: kill them, dump their bodies in the ocean, and pretend like nothing ever happened.

I don't recommend you to follow this course of action. Also, I recommend the Iron Blood to stay away from this situation and stop saying aggresive statements. This is an advise, just for now.

The Elves from what we read of them are an honorable race, a rare sight indeed. However the same can't be said for their cousins, the Eldar.

Iron Blood has been added to the Gravitic Battle Fleet Whistlestop Tour. They should expect a 'visit' within the next few weeks, provided they do not rethink their policies quickly.

Acrena, we will take the Elves in question off your hands. Assuming you're actually telling the truth about them being criminals, then you'd probably be plenty happy to make them our problem.

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Might we point out that there is another solution? Celeborne has been specializing in these sort of issues lately, and he will be able to solve your problems:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71762&highlight=

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VTX

OOC: Thanks for the comercial.

Yes, we would be more than happy to take these people off of your hands. They will be transported off world so you will not have to worry about them returning. We already have a sizable elvin refugee population. We will assume all the cost for the transportation. We await your word.
Should you decide to allow us to pick them up please let us know how many we can expect so we can make the proper arraingments.

Thank you.

I just remembered this. Acrena you should sell the elves to Melkor. He'll pay top dollar for more slaves.OOC: He would, but he's left NS for a while.

The transmission opens showing Princeps Senatus Kopinski behind his desk, a neat slab of marble, covered in data pads, papers, a large collection of pens, a life size and very realistic statue of a raven in flight holding the confederate flag, and assorted other desk ornaments and insignia. He is leaning back in a high backed chair in front of another version of the confederate flag, this one with strange script running down the sides.

"Hello, Iron Blood, Belem and other elf haters. I really must know this, what have elves ever done to you? Have you nothing better to do than blame your ills on elves. There are plenty of elves here, and we have yet to suffer any problems because of this.

As for Acrena, I must ask you, what gives you the idea that the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, or Menelmacar, protects elves even if they commit crimes? While elven crimes are rare, we have never had interference from either state in our legal process. However, if you are convinced that these people are criminals, we are perfectly happy to offer the usasge of our judicial system in devining their guilt or innocence. Thank you for your time."

The transmission ends with a long shot of the confederate supreme court, just to drive home the point.

From the desk of General Dreedle -

I don't see what everyone is getting so uptight about. There's no such thing as elves and anyone who says otherwise is a Tolkien-obsessed madman wearing Mr. Spock ears.

From the desk of General Dreedle -

I don't see what everyone is getting so uptight about. There's no such thing as elves and anyone who says otherwise is a Tolkien-obsessed madman wearing Mr. Spock ears.

IC: At this point masssive plans for sending Thelasian Elves to Slutbum Wallah are being drawn up.

OOC: So you IGNORE Menelmacar and Melkor and EOTED?

"We of the Jingoistic of Berserker urge Acrena to rethink its policy concerning elves. It is perfectly acceptable to arrest and try elves who have committed crimes. We have a few high profile cases involving elves, and we have recieved no problems from Menelmacar.
Why? I believe it is because Menelmacar has confidence in our judicial process. The law should be blind to race and creed.

However, if you are prosocuting them simply for being elves, that is unacceptable and will make you powerful enemies."

"And one other thing. If you wish to survive in the international scene, I suggest you disregard the advice from such foolish countries as Belem and its likes."

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Jingoistic States of Berserker

From the desk of General Dreedle -

I don't see what everyone is getting so uptight about. There's no such thing as elves and anyone who says otherwise is a Tolkien-obsessed madman wearing Mr. Spock ears.

IC: At this point masssive plans for sending Thelasian Elves to Slutbum Wallah are being drawn up.

OOC: So you IGNORE Menelmacar and Melkor and EOTED?

OOC: Why not? He has that right. There are 70 000+ other nations our there.

OOC: So you IGNORE Menelmacar and Melkor and EOTED?

OOC: Actually, he doesn't have to becuase he posted it IC. His nation could just believe that elves are a myth or people that are a little obcessed.

Iron Blood has been added to the Gravitic Battle Fleet Whistlestop Tour. They should expect a 'visit' within the next few weeks, provided they do not rethink their policies quickly.

Acrena, we will take the Elves in question off your hands. Assuming you're actually telling the truth about them being criminals, then you'd probably be plenty happy to make them our problem.

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Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
Chancellor of CENNA
"If it is to be war between us, it shall be war to the knife and the knife to the hilt."
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"See?, that's why I'm proud of being her ally", says the ShadowPrince Kithail to the gathering of nobles.

"Why?, just because she's going to attack another country urged by her imperialistic desires as all Feänorians are?", says the Paelisi House representative, a black haired elf maiden, clearly from Teleri heritage.

"No, just because she will stand for elvenkind no matter what. She's the last hope for us, the elves, to regain our former glory. Is that understood?"

The rest of the nobles remained silent, nobody dare to oppose the word of the ShadowPrince.

From the desk of General Dreedle -

I don't see what everyone is getting so uptight about. There's no such thing as elves and anyone who says otherwise is a Tolkien-obsessed madman wearing Mr. Spock ears.

IC: At this point masssive plans for sending Thelasian Elves to Slutbum Wallah are being drawn up.

OOC: So you IGNORE Menelmacar and Melkor and EOTED?

OOC: Nope. I have conducted deals with Menelmacar in the past and I barely ever have to ignore anyone.

Let me explain.

Slutbum Wallah is a 100% human country, surrounded on all sides by 100% human countries, with very little contact outside it's own region of Clan Sfiera, who's population is 100% human.

The elves were chased out centuries ago, magic was forgotten and everying magical with it. The official government position is that magic doesn't exist and that magical races are just "Tolkien-obsessed madmen wearing Mr. Spock ears".

In a more sensible country, this would make dealing with countries such as Menelmacar rather difficult but in Slutbum Wallah we compensate by having a very small cadre of people who know the truth and make up the rest of the knowledge gap using lack of communication between departments, creative misunderstanding, spontaneous combustion of paperwork and the famous ability of Slutbum Wallah citizens to ignore race, colour and creed as long as money is involved somewhere.

The result is that we conduct brisk trade with non-human races whilst ignoring the fact that they exist.

From the desk of General Dreedle -

I don't see what everyone is getting so uptight about. There's no such thing as elves and anyone who says otherwise is a Tolkien-obsessed madman wearing Mr. Spock ears.

IC: At this point masssive plans for sending Thelasian Elves to Slutbum Wallah are being drawn up.

OOC: So you IGNORE Menelmacar and Melkor and EOTED?

OOC: Nope. I have conducted deals with Menelmacar in the past and I barely ever have to ignore anyone.

Let me explain.

Slutbum Wallah is a 100% human country, surrounded on all sides by 100% human countries, with very little contact outside it's own region of Clan Sfiera, who's population is 100% human.

The elves were chased out centuries ago, magic was forgotten and everying magical with it. The official government position is that magic doesn't exist and that magical races are just "Tolkien-obsessed madmen wearing Mr. Spock ears".

In a more sensible country, this would make dealing with countries such as Menelmacar rather difficult but in Slutbum Wallah we compensate by having a very small cadre of people who know the truth and make up the rest of the knowledge gap using lack of communication between departments, creative misunderstanding, spontaneous combustion of paperwork and the famous ability of Slutbum Wallah citizens to ignore race, colour and creed as long as money is involved somewhere.

The result is that we conduct brisk trade with non-human races whilst ignoring the fact that they exist.

OOC: I will tell Theallas never to go to Slutbum Wallah, he does not react well to being called a "Tolkein Fanatic Wearing Spock Ears, in fact, Theallas considers Mister Tolkein to be one of the few Humans who remembered thhe ancient histories.

OOC: I will tell Theallas never to go to Slutbum Wallah, he does not react well to being called a "Tolkein Fanatic Wearing Spock Ears, in fact, Theallas considers Mister Tolkein to be one of the few Humans who remembered thhe ancient histories.

OOC: No loss to us. Theallas would never be able to enter Slutbum Wallah anyway. The elven species agreed to put a "quarantine zone" around Slutbum Wallah almost a century ago when all elves within the country were exteminated by Imperial command. The elven nations at that time lacked the strength to annihilate the Madrigan Empire (As Slutbum Wallah was called then) so they just raised a magical quarantine around the country preventing elves from entering and getting hurt. There's still 9002 years to go before it expires.

Other than that we've managed to have relatively productive trade with the country, we just need to drop stuff off at the border. ;) Relations used to be bad but they improved greatly when we arranged for an exchange of cultural relics. They got the standards of the Madrigan Legions back, and we got a Palantir, among other things. \^_^/

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Other than that we've managed to have relatively productive trade with the country, we just need to drop stuff off at the border. ;) Relations used to be bad but they improved greatly when we arranged for an exchange of cultural relics. They got the standards of the Madrigan Legions back, and we got a Palantir, among other things. \^_^/


Is that what it was?

:shock:

Well I'll be damned.

The Confederacy of Acrena has decided after carefull deliberations of it's options.

The course of action will be as follows-
-Any elf suspect of being engaged in criminal activities will be put on trial by courts of other impartial nations. Should they be deemed guilty, they will be sold to other countries as laborers for a fixed period of time depending upon the individual case.
-"Incurable troublemakers" will be put into exile with no allowance to board any of the ships willing to take them off land.
-Any elves who are currently in Essential positions will be given the option of either leaving immediately or staying until matters have been tied up.
-All other elves will have thier estates liquidated for a fair price and will leave by any means they wish by the time the last trial finishes of the "incurable troublemakers".

Wise choice. We will support you in any way we can, taking the exiled elves as refugees and sends legal support in the trials. If you allowed it of course.

-"Incurable troublemakers" will be put into exile with no allowance to board any of the ships willing to take them off land.


Erm we are confused placed into Exile but not allowed to leave... how does that work?

Elves do not live in TIN, so we've never had a problem. The most exotic race we have are Taiidanians.

We've had elven tourists in the past, but if an elf commited a crime here, (s)he would be prosecuted like anyone else. and there is no longer a death penalty here, so at the most they'd spand their lives in prison.

Elves do not live in TIN, so we've never had a problem. The most exotic race we have are Taiidanians.

We've had elven tourists in the past, but if an elf commited a crime here, (s)he would be prosecuted like anyone else. and there is no longer a death penalty here, so at the most they'd spand their lives in prison.

Erm, we hate to sound like we have a major problem with this we don't, you are applying your laws fairly and equally across the board. But are you really prepared to keep say a Noldorian Elf locked up for ever? Many elves are in fact Immortal Perhaps a different sentence would work better, if only for your nations future Jail Budget. (As we could see a time when your GREAT GREAT Great ancestors have an entire Jail house full of Nolodrians simply because they never die.)

Perhaps say 150 Years imprissonment for Crimes that would require life, that is well over the Human lifespan but saves your ancestors a lot of expense.

Farseer Council

Elves do not live in TIN, so we've never had a problem. The most exotic race we have are Taiidanians.

We've had elven tourists in the past, but if an elf commited a crime here, (s)he would be prosecuted like anyone else. and there is no longer a death penalty here, so at the most they'd spand their lives in prison.

Erm, we hate to sound like we have a major problem with this we don't, you are applying your laws fairly and equally across the board. But are you really prepared to keep say a Noldorian Elf locked up for ever? Many elves are in fact Immortal Perhaps a different sentence would work better, if only for your nations future Jail Budget. (As we could see a time when your GREAT GREAT Great ancestors have an entire Jail house full of Nolodrians simply because they never die.)

Perhaps say 150 Years imprissonment for Crimes that would require life, that is well over the Human lifespan but saves your ancestors a lot of expense.

Farseer Council

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Supreme ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral

Perhaps say 150 Years imprissonment for Crimes that would require life, that is well over the Human lifespan but saves your ancestors a lot of expense.

Hm… it makes sense I suppose, after all why would you want have to keep paying upkeep for a prisoner for over 150 years. Once that sentence is complete you can ask one of these elven nations to take them.

Oddly enough, Iuthia has yet to revoke an archaic law stating that you can exile traitors via catapult… though the odds of that law ever being used are slim. The few incredibly rare crimes that are committed are often crimes of passion, which can be treated effectively over time.

Perhaps say 150 Years imprissonment for Crimes that would require life, that is well over the Human lifespan but saves your ancestors a lot of expense.

Hm… it makes sense I suppose, after all why would you want have to keep paying upkeep for a prisoner for over 150 years. Once that sentence is complete you can ask one of these elven nations to take them.



Indeed that was our intention, those that merit life are not our concern for avoiding them getting that sentence except we spotted a potential problem.

As a side point Tor Yvresse-Mars hands out Percentage of Average life span sentences, Nolodrian Elves present a unique problem so for them we simply hand out the same sentence as they would get if they where Eldar, it avoids that whole headache. So for example say a violent attack on a person that does not lead to death, the Judge may hand out a 20% sentence, which to a Human of say 80 years average life span would mean 16 Years but to an Eldar with 5000 Years average lifespan means 1000 Years.

Obviously well over our recommended 150 there but, that was just a ball park figure we put up anyway to a nation that does not have a large number of Elves and therefore dosn't need a system in place for determining how it will proceed. We do have a large mixed population of varying Lifespans and determined that 16 Years to a human is a lot, 20% of their life to an Eldar it's not even 1% of their life.

Actually to be honest we are misrepersenting the situation here, an Eldar will not recieve a Prison sentence for a crime, not due to any feelings of Racial superiority etc, but because well...

That long period of imprissonment would be a danger to the greater community and to the person involved, a danger that they might give in to She-Who-Thirsts and be possesed by a Deamon leading to all sorts of problems. rather an Eldar who commits a crime requiring is restricted to Tor Yvresse itself for the duration and their list of path choices is limited for the duration to those that promote happy and peaceful feelings such as gardening.

((OOC Wow that got complicated I started of writing this with the basic premise of Percentage sentences and was about to post it as simply that, but then I used an Eldar as an example and immediatly warning flags hit me, a 1000 years imprissonment with nothing to do... erm thats an open door to Slannesh, not a good thing at all. so it grew and grew.))