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( http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79981 )

Nations of the world, I come to you under a grave circumstnace. Ma-tek is attempting to annex AMF for absolutly NO reason. EOTED officials still refuse to comment as to why they are lashing out againt the Empire.

For many years (several RL months), AMF has kept to itself, staying away from international incidents, and focusing on building up our naiton. We have been a peaceful nation for a long time, until New Spartha (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78035) came along, but that's another story.

EOTED has violated AMF's sovereignty by claiming that AMF is under EOTED rule. I assure you, this is far from the truth. AMF resents this blatent arrogance on behalf of EOTED, and requests that the nations of the world demand a leadership change.

I am warning all the nations of the world, because EOTED has made it clear that if you do something he dosen't like, he will come for you. That is wrong in the highest regards, and AMF urges all nations to stnad behind us, and not the mindless aggressor that is EOTED.


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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

We are confident in Automagfreek's ability to come up with defensive measures matching the intelligence and professionalism shown in their deployments of Skynet and the HOUNDs.

Rest assured that AMF stands ready to defend itself from this unjust, unwarrented aggression. AMF will amgerge victorious at any cost, and our sovereignty will be protected.

I also urge all nations of the world to watch Ma-tek closely, because if THEY view you as a threat to global stability, then you will surely be next. Together, we can end this imperialistic regime.




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Minister Hartman
-AMF Department of Foreign Affairs-

We are confident in Automagfreek's ability to come up with defensive measures matching the intelligence and professionalism shown in their deployments of Skynet and the HOUNDs.

OOC: HOUNDs no longer exist, they were dismatled awhile ago.

I note that their reasons are the same you yourselves used for the New Spartha invasion - a percieved threat. That being said, I cannot condone their actions, nor yours. A more detailed response here. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79981&start=120)

--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

I note that their reasons are the same you yourselves used for the New Spartha invasion - a percieved threat. That being said, I cannot condone thier actions, nor yours. A more detailed response here. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79981&start=120)

--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

The why, only now are they acting? Why did they not take us out a long time ago? Why are they choosing now to shove their "authority" in our face?

I find it mighty strange that EOTED all of a sudden, out of the blue, decides he wants a fight. Don't you find that strange?

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

I note that their reasons are the same you yourselves used for the New Spartha invasion - a percieved threat. That being said, I cannot condone thier actions, nor yours. A more detailed response here. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79981&start=120)

--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

Except for three little differences:
1) AMF did not make outrageous demans, he simply told NS to stop his warmongering or it would be viewed as a threat to security and rightly so.

2) AMF did not make any claimes to territory, he simply invaded and then left once the job was done.

3) AMF simply said that NS was a threat to AMF security, while EOTED is saying AMF is a threat to world security.

Quite frankly EOTED's claims that AMF is a threat to security are insane, AMF has at no time stuck his nose into EOTED business or made threats of any kind towards EOTED (which NS did and EOTED is now doing). Furthermore, I find it irritating that any time something happens EOTED suddenly jumps in and claims a threat to world security as if he owns Earth. Who's a threat to world security, hmm?

I would also like to point out that all nations that flock to EOTED's banner should know this:

By doing so, you support an imperialistic tyrnat, who is systematically eliminating those that are viewed as a threat in the eyes of EOTED. If you are a free nation, and run your country as you see fit, EOTED will come for you, make no mistake about it.

Ma-Tek think's it can police the world, well, they are wrong. Thye will never conquer the independant peoples of the world, NEVER. If AMF falls to EOTED's tyranny, other will soon fall. EOTED plans to take us out first, because we would probably be asked to intervene should Ma-Tek strike an innocent nation.

I hope the world sees what Ma-Tek is doing, and I hope something will be done, because if Ma-Tek continues to roam unchecked, they will slowly gobble up every independent, free thinking nation there is.


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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

I would also like to point out that all nations that flock to EOTED's banner should know this:

By doing so, you support an imperialistic tyrnat, who is systematically eliminating those that are viewed as a threat in the eyes of EOTED. If you are a free nation, and run your country as you see fit, EOTED will come for you, make no mistake about it.

Ma-Tek think's it can police the world, well, they are wrong. Thye will never conquer the independant peoples of the world, NEVER. If AMF falls to EOTED's tyranny, other will soon fall. EOTED plans to take us out first, because we would probably be asked to intervene should Ma-Tek strike an innocent nation.

I hope the world sees what Ma-Tek is doing, and I hope something will be done, because if Ma-Tek continues to roam unchecked, they will slowly gobble up every independent, free thinking nation there is.


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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-
You are just as tyranny as what you described EOTED as.

Honjak Ukan
Foreign Affairs Minister

You are just as tyranny as what you described EOTED as.

Honjak Ukan
Foreign Affairs Minister



"Quick, get the Grammar Director in here!" said Foreign Relations Director Gordon Newell.
"Gordon...we don't have a Grammar Bureau, or a Grammar Director," replied State Director Andrew Kreins.
"Damn," Gordon Newell replied dejectedly.

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OOC: You are just as tyranny? You must mean you are just as tyrannical.

You are just as tyranny as what you described EOTED as.

Honjak Ukan
Foreign Affairs Minister

No, I am not. Since my rise to power, AMF had only gone to war once, ONCE. We have kept to ourselves, and what we do to our own people is our business. We are not tyrannical, because we do not force our will on others.

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

OOC: You are just as tyranny? You must mean you are just as tyrannical.
OOC: English is not my first language, however, thank you for your correction :P

Supprizingly we support AMF on this... we have seen him do nothing as of late that would support such claims against him. AMF has been extreamly quite lately and this is a good thing. If there -was- a problem with them, it should have been delt with then and not now.

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Nia Starr, KSC
Head Assistant to Chaos
Empire of Eris Kallisti

OOC:
do you have a link for the remarks from EOTED about AMF?

Except for three little differences:
1) AMF did not make outrageous demans, he simply told NS to stop his warmongering or it would be viewed as a threat to security and rightly so.

2) AMF did not make any claimes to territory, he simply invaded and then left once the job was done.

3) AMF simply said that NS was a threat to AMF security, while EOTED is saying AMF is a threat to world security.

Quite frankly EOTED's claims that AMF is a threat to security are insane, AMF has at no time stuck his nose into EOTED business or made threats of any kind towards EOTED (which NS did and EOTED is now doing). Furthermore, I find it irritating that any time something happens EOTED suddenly jumps in and claims a threat to world security as if he owns Earth. Who's a threat to world security, hmm?

Whispering Voices wishes to note that New Spartha attempted repeatedly to avert war by backing down, until the actual point of invasion. Automagfreek refused to allow them to back down.

ooc:- should this turn to war...I beg you to set up some rules first for the whole thing or it will turn into another AntiResiWar mess. Thats if it becomes a war.

Whispering Voices wishes to note that New Spartha attempted repeatedly to avert war by backing down, until the actual point of invasion. Automagfreek refused to allow them to back down.

Stop spinning. Spartha stated several times that he would not back down, and that his little "ICA" would be coming for me.

Your propaganda won't work here.

OOC:
do you have a link for the remarks from EOTED about AMF?
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79981

Whispering Voices wishes to note that New Spartha attempted repeatedly to avert war by backing down, until the actual point of invasion. Automagfreek refused to allow them to back down.

Stop spinning. Spartha stated several times that he would not back down, and that his little "ICA" would be coming for me.

Your propaganda won't work here.

Not that it works anywhere else :roll:

Just everyoen knows Walten WILL assist AMF.

Thank you Walten, your assistance is appreciated more than you know.

Walten, Steel: Will the Orion Sector assist? Their assistance would be even more appreciated, and I believe that it may help draw us closer together.



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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Ardor will assist AMF as well, but as We are dealing with a war potenitally on our own lands we will not be able to send all too many forces to aid.

Ardor will assist AMF as well, but as We are dealing with a war potenitally on our own lands we will not be able to send all too mayn forces to aid.

Thank you, brother. May the Gods smile on you, and all of those that rise to the task of halting the aggression that spills from EOTED.

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Xel
-First Automata of AMF-
~Dark Queen of the Empire~

Is it me, or is AMF accusing Ma-tek of doing the exact same thing that he himself was doing a while ago?

Is it me, or is AMF accusing Ma-tek of doing the exact same thing that he himself was doing a while ago?

When? I can think of no such incidents under my rule.

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Is it me, or is AMF accusing Ma-tek of doing the exact same thing that he himself was doing a while ago?
Very exact.

I have power over Orion so I can call them up.

I have power over Orion so I can call them up.

Thank you, we are in your debt.

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

I have sent you a telegram, AMF. Please read.

Where do you stand Omz?My former allie.

I pledge everything I have to AMF, since I wish to help the nation with whatever he needs.

I have sent you a telegram, AMF. Please read.
OOC: Read and replied.

Where do you stand Omz?My former allie.
We are officially nertual in this case.

“Empire of the Emaciated Dick,” Nemerov whispered to his aids. A few smiles, a few chuckles…the emperor walks out onto the podium.

“It has come to my attention that a certain empire feels the need to loosen its belt a bit. We of the Orion Empire understand this, due to the severe levels of fat floating around in EOTED’s unsightly skull. The intense obesity of the Ma-tek mind distorts judgment and future sight. It also causes an illusion of invincibility. I know what you’re thinking…dangerous indeed. Now, they who are stout wish to eat yet another Twinkie when they know they are already full. This final calorie is not needed for nourishment, but instead for self indulgement – fulfilling the cravings for imperialism. Beware world, for the fat ones are always hungry and seldom miss a meal. They will fight, cheat, and steal until they fill their bloated gut. Leaders of the nations, this is the kid too fat for his own good. Scold the child and take away the snacks. Beat the child and send him to his room. Put a lock on the cabinet. Cut off his food supply. Step on his throat. Cut off his air. I have touched the fire and it froze me…burn this icy bastard!”

Nemerov stepped down.

“Are you on crack?” an aid asked him. “That was the largest gathering of random thoughts and monstrous metaphors I’ve ever heard in my life.”

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

I have power over Orion so I can call them up.

Actually...I do...but...

OOC: ROFLMAO!!!!

IC:

Thank you Nemerov, your kindness will not soon be forgotten. We owe you alot for your services, and you indeed be repaid, however we can.

Now, let the heathens of Ma-tek fear the combined might of our Empires!

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Is it me, or is AMF accusing Ma-tek of doing the exact same thing that he himself was doing a while ago?

When? I can think of no such incidents under my rule.

Well, that's what I've been hearing from Nathi and Whispering Voices...

In any case, you're an ally, so support will be probable.

Well, that's what I've been hearing from Nathi and Whispering Voices...

In any case, you're an ally, so support will be probable.

Regardless, AMF had never known such peace and prosperity until I came into power. Our military retired, and our nation focused on itself, and not the problems and wars of others.

Hence, we are very disappointed in EOTED, and we thank you for the assistance.

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Stop spinning. Spartha stated several times that he would not back down, and that his little "ICA" would be coming for me.

Your propaganda won't work here.

We seem to recall the telegram you posted by New Spartha saying that "we will try to negotiate this programme's cancellation".

The original New Spartha intention before threatened can be found here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75671).

Oh, an economical bannish. How like a declaration of war that isn't ...

Then, later, New Spartha takes the madly insane action of attempting to interview AMF's allies (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75671&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=7). Well, hot damn.

If we were AMF, this statement (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76256&highlight=) would be considered a serious threat to our cheese imports. Oh, and of course - AMF doesn't recognise "human rights".

In addition, we would like to draw attention to this press release (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77362&highlight=) by AMF that is the source of all the controversy:


After massive missile strikes, bombing runs, and a huge blitzkreig style push between all Sentinel and armored forces, AMF has captured almost the entire naiton.

New Spartha's King was killed, it's military head is being taken to the Halls of the Dead, it's armies are starving locked up inside underground bunkers, poison gas infests the land due to New Spartha's attempt at killing Sentinels, and the country has been leveled.

All civilians have either been evacuated, captured by AMF forces, or killed on site. The Queen and Prime Minister are still somewhere in the country, and AMF forces will NOT allow their extraction. AMF officials are considering placing a garrison inside the destroyed territory, although a request is being sent to his regional delegate to have regional forces occupy so that NS will not spring up again.

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The New Sparthan King's bullet riddled body is paraded through the streets, impaled on a 20 foot pole. After being taken through the streets of ULE City, the King's body is being placed on the shore facing the former New Spartha territory. His decaying corpse will be placed on the highest cliff nearest the shore, to stand forever as a silent reminder of what happens when foolish nations f--- with AMF.

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For the live execution of NS's Colonel, tune in to channel 23 at 10:00 pm.


So ... impaled bodies. Live executions. Civilians killed on site.

That doesn't strike those defending AMF's actions as somewhat ... barbaric? Overzealous?

Doesn't in fact the whole scenario reek of a nation so desperate for war that it is crushing a nation that does not threaten it?


As any of you know, AMF has been in the major international scene lately. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78035&highlight=)

Earlier this thread:

For many years (several RL months), AMF has kept to itself, staying away from international incidents, and focusing on building up our naiton.

Automagfreek addresses the nations of the world earlier in this thread:


EOTED has violated AMF's sovereignty by claiming that AMF is under EOTED rule. I assure you, this is far from the truth. AMF resents this blatent arrogance on behalf of EOTED, and requests that the nations of the world demand a leadership change.
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Rest assured that AMF stands ready to defend itself from this unjust, unwarrented aggression. AMF will amgerge victorious at any cost, and our sovereignty will be protected.

however, does not acknowledge international law ... since obviously guarantees of sovereign leadership could only be acknowledged by international law. And of course, as we saw earlier, AMF doesn't acknowledge "rights".


What are these international laws do you speak of? (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75897&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30)



We suggest Ma-tek stop warmingering. You will find nothing blood and death in AMF. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79981&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=88)

Warmingering is bad, isn't it?


Too many raise thier gaze above themselves, Dreadfire. Soon we must make an example, and show them to keep thier eyes in the dirt, where they belong. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75897&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20)


If only all that were spin. If only.

Well... we didn't care previously, and we still don't care. This isn't anything for us to get involved in, despite 'claims' to the contrary.

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Chief of State
Federated Segments of Scolopendra

You did spin, alot.

New Spartha threatened us first by sending that TM, get the facts straight.

Also, you were not in that situation, so it is easy for you to judge my actions. Had you been put in the similar position, I know that things would have happened along the same lines.

Also, it was a well known fact that AMF gave other nations more than enough time to evacuate NS civilians. Those that chose to stay met an unfortunate fate.

Again, until it happens to you, shut your god damn mouth.

Congratulations. Excellent argument, firmly backed up by a huge amount of evidence.

Certainly, Whispering Voices is certain that many nations feel it their sole duty to run around evacuating citizens of nations that Automagfreek decides to begin committing atrocities upon.

Actually, we were in the situation. Our eugenics programme is ancient and our genetics and clonings programmes venerable. And guess what? We invited New Spartha to a conference to try to show them the advantages of such technology.

Congratulations. Excellent argument, firmly backed up by a huge amount of evidence.

Certainly, Whispering Voices is certain that many nations feel it their sole duty to run around evacuating citizens of nations that Automagfreek decides to begin committing atrocities upon.

Actually, we were in the situation. Our eugenics programme is ancient and our genetics and clonings programmes venerable. And guess what? We invited New Spartha to a conference to try to show them the advantages of such technology.

Where's your condemnation for New Spartha using chemical weapons on AMF troops? All you seem to do is focus on the negatives of AMF, and you seem to leave out all of the things that NS did. That my friend, is spin, and you're full of it.

As previously stated, we feel unable to condemn a country being invaded for using weapons at its disposal to attempt to disperse hostile forces upon its own soil.

Now, had New Spartha actually taken any military or paramilitary action against Automagfreek prior to invasion of same, yes you can be assured that we would condemn it.

As it is, the sheer magnitude of the 180 degree aboutface on your general stance towards large nations attempting to mould the policy of smaller nations in the cases of yourselves versus New Spartha, and then Eternal Dawn versus yourselves, continues to leave us ... bemused.

@#$%^&*!!! This is too complicated... damn fog of war. Who is spinning?

As previously stated, we feel unable to condemn a country being invaded for using weapons at its disposal to attempt to disperse hostile forces upon its own soil.

But believe me, if it happened to you, you'd be screaming about it until you were blue in the face.

Now, had New Spartha actually taken any military or paramilitary action against Automagfreek, yes you can be assured that we would condemn it.

It was abundantly clear the NS intended to "deal" with us due to our cloning program, and he insisted after being told to knock it off.

As it is, the sheer magnitude of the 180 degree aboutface on your general stance towards large nations attempting to mould the policy of smaller nations in the cases of yourselves versus New Spartha, and then Eternal Dawn versus yourselves, continues to leave us ... bemused.

Oh come off it. NS got what he deserved, bottom line. AMF has done nothing to Ma-tek to warrent such aggression, but again you fail to see that.

You attempt to sway my allies opinion on this matter is amusing.

@#$%^&*!!! This is too complicated... damn fog of war. Who is spinning?

ooc:- Both....that's %$%^ing politics for ya.

:evil: :x Damn politics.

Whispering Voices notes that it has had chemical weapons used upon its forces many times, and yet not complained.

New Spartha's capacity to do anything other than interfere with Automagfreek's broadcasts is highly doubtful. Did you see a huge alliance of people even caring what he said, much less supporting him? No.

NS got what he deserved, bottom line, in your opinion. Perhaps you damaged Ma-Tek assets or destabilised a region, making a war what Ma-Tek believes you deserve.

And, actually, we don't really mind what your allies think. Allies are allies. They'll think what you tell them to think. We're pointing out to neutral and undecided nations the truth of the matter.


OOC:
Slag, quit it with the OOC comments please. IC use of 'spin' is a cornerstone of politics. Politics without spin is just "the truth", and that's not politics at all!

Except there's one huge difference between AMF and EOTED. EOTED was never threatened by a supposed coalition whereas AMF was, can you really blame him for preempting NS before his little coalition could gather speed? Furthermore, I would have done a lot worse than AMF did if my troops were gassed by that idiot, I think AMF showed a lot of restraint given the situation and did the right thing by CM'ing the troops who commited murder.

NS got what he deserved, bottom line, in your opinion. Perhaps you damaged Ma-Tek assets or destabilised a region, making a war what Ma-Tek believes you deserve.

I am close friends with NS's region at the time, A New Begin[n]ing. They supported me removing that cancer from their region. You know not of the behind the scenes politics.

And, actually, we don't really mind what your allies think. Allies are allies. They'll think what you tell them to think. We're pointing out to neutral and undecided nations the truth of the matter.


Well, we hold our allies in a higher regard than you do. They know us well, and they know who's right, and that's all that matters.

:evil: :x Damn politics.

bah...makes life fun

Logically, it is entirely more conceivable that AMF and allies would threaten the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, than New Spartha and ... looks around ... ally? could threaten AMF.

Logically, it is entirely more conceivable that AMF and allies would threaten the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, than New Spartha and ... looks around ... ally? could threaten AMF.

Now you're not making any sense. AMF has kept to itself for 2 or 3 months, what in the high Hell makes you think that I would lash out against Ma-tek?

Your argument is failing.

Perhaps the fact that here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78035&highlight=) you say you've been active lately? Or that your Factbook entry seems like a giant exposition of military aggression and military data?

AMF? i stand behind you with my HUGE puppet, you know that we will away's assist you in times of need

Perhaps the fact that here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78035&highlight=) you say you've been active lately? Or that your Factbook entry seems like a giant exposition of military aggression and military data?

I said I was "active" due to the NS incident and the Halls of the Dead, not because of military conquest.

Your argument is on it's death bed.

Logically, it is entirely more conceivable that AMF and allies would threaten the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, than New Spartha and ... looks around ... ally? could threaten AMF.

AMF threatening EOTED? Yeah...that's real likely to happen...

AMF? i stand behind you with my HUGE puppet, you know that we will away's assist you in times of need


Puppets. Joy.

don't worry, i only use it in extream emergancy's like if i'm invaded

AMF? i stand behind you with my HUGE puppet, you know that we will away's assist you in times of need


Puppets. Joy.

Sarcasm. Shut your mouth.

Joy? Okay, here goes...

:D :) :lol:

Enough joy for ya? :wink:

OOC: I'm staying out of this.

Takes out a E-11 Blaster Rifle and blasts Whispering Voices into a little pulp

DIE CAPITALIST DOG! :twisted:

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Takes out a E-11 Blaster Rifle and blasts Whispering Voices into a little pulp

DIE CAPITALIST DOG! :twisted:

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Hey hey back off the capitalist beating

LOL!

Perhaps the fact that here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78035&highlight=) you say you've been active lately? Or that your Factbook entry seems like a giant exposition of military aggression and military data?

I said I was "active" due to the NS incident and the Halls of the Dead, not because of military conquest.

Your argument is on it's death bed.

Presumably you mean that one select small part of it is currently being interpreted by you to mean something in a way which does not implicate you. You have neither addressed the point of the factbook (which lists military campaigns, and the current "Age of Might", and the existence of a giant torture palace), nor have you addressed the vast majority of the points we brought up earlier.

Presumably you mean that one select small part of it is currently being interpreted by you to mean something in a way which does not implicate you. You have neither addressed the point of the factbook (which lists military campaigns, and the current "Age of Might", and the existence of a giant torture palace), nor have you addressed the vast majority of the points we brought up earlier.

What I put in my Factbook has nothing to do with this! Jeez, you're trying to dig up any little thing to throw against me!

And what are these "vast majority of points" you speak of?

We look with great disfavor on any attempts to invade or carve up AMF.

Check the previous page.

We will assist our Neighbor however we can.


we shall Provide AMF with manpower,the TSD Space Navy (13 StarDestroyers) and the TSD Army


GOD SAVE AMF!

Check the previous page.

WTF are you talking about? I replied to what you said.

Here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80175&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=38).

There are a number of points - the brutality of the press release, and so on, that you have not yet addressed at all, and others that you have not addressed in any meaningful way.

Here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80175&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=38).

There are a number of points - the brutality of the press release, and so on, that you have not yet addressed at all, and others that you have not addressed in any meaningful way.

I gave a reply, you must have missed it. Sorry I didn't cover each individual point, but instead gave a rough summary.

Besides, YOU have yet to explain why you are using my Factbook info against me.

Your factbook lists a) a large number of conflicts, b) a military seemingly designed for invasions rather than defence (such a large number of transports ... ), and c) a proud description of your current age as the "Age of Might". It's being used because it serves to illustrate the points we're making.

Your factbook lists a) a large number of conflicts, b) a military seemingly designed for invasions rather than defence (such a large number of transports ... ), and c) a proud description of your current age as the "Age of Might". It's being used because it serves to illustrate the points we're making.

AMF had a violent past, but I can hardly be blamed for that, now can I? I didn't even exist in that time! And the Age of Might: so what? AMF IS mightier than it ever was, but unlike under the Kaye Administration, I do not abuse the power.


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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

AMF had a violent past, but I can hardly be blamed for that, now can I? I didn't even exist in that time! And the Age of Might: so what? AMF IS mightier than it ever was, but unlike under the Kaye Administration, I do not abuse the power.

---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-


Your very signature quote belies your statement that you do not abuse such power. Your title is "Supreme Warlord" - and that's not traditional, since the previous ruler was a president. Your choice of title.

Your very signature quote belies your statement that you do not abuse such power. Your title is "Supreme Warlord".

On the contrary. How does my statement about Damien's demeanor mean that he abuses his military power? He's been in charge for awhile, and only 1 conflict has happened, whereas Kaye caused 10 or 11.

Your argument is on life support.

Your argument is on life support.

If that is the case, it would appear your brain got cut off from it long ago.

Your title is "Supreme Warlord" - and that's not traditional, since the previous ruler was a president. Your choice of title.

Ha! Not traditional to YOU, but what if it is to us?

Your argument is on life support.

If that is the case, it would appear your brain got cut off from it long ago.

Resorting to flames, eh? I take it that your argument is dead now, seeing as you have nothing practical to say.

Now, kindly remove yourself from this thread.

Ah... the dreaded Damien Dreadfire. My God, it's been so long since The SLAGLands has had any sort of diplomatic relations with Automagfreek. And here we are now, after the Chromestar Alliance, after the HOUNDs, after the fall of New Spartha... and you, Supreme Warlord Dreadfire, on the verge of war with The Empire of the Eternal Dawn. We've come a long way indeed.

I wish to speak to you in private someday, Mr. Dreadfire--you may choose the grounds. If you would like for me to come to Automagfreek, I would be more than happy to do so; if you would like to visit SLAGTown, I would be more than happy to accomodate that request as well. In any case, I feel that the time is right for Freek-SLAGLandic relations to start up once again before one of our peoples ceases to exist altogether.

Please consider my offer; our nations have a lot of catching up to do.

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Bodyguard Barry
Acting Prime Minister
The Unblinking Eye of SLAGLandic Security
Husband to Sentient Hyper-Optimized Data Access Network
Prankster Extraordinaire
The Emerald Heights of The SLAGLands

We most certainly do, Mr. Barry. I am currently in Toke, capital city of Pantera. If you could make it there, I'd appreciate it.

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Your title is "Supreme Warlord" - and that's not traditional, since the previous ruler was a president. Your choice of title.

Ha! Not traditional to YOU, but what if it is to us?


How can it be traditional to you? Previous rulers were Dictator Automagfreek and President Kaye.

Your arguments and self-contradictions go on forever, and are becoming increasingly tiresome and ridiculous. Let alone the fact you claim that the inaugural speech containing the quote "Everywhere I go, I leave dead bodies" does not indicate aggressive tendencies.

And saying we believe your arguments stupid, Mr. Dreadfire, is a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

Your argument is on life support.

Clear!

How can it be traditional to you? Previous rulers were Dictator Automagfreek and President Kaye.

Times have changed since then.

Your arguments and self-contradictions go on forever, and are becoming increasingly tiresome and ridiculous.

You are the one that has run out of things to criticize me about, seeing as your argument is as thin as a piece of paper.

Let alone the fact you claim that the inaugural speech containing the quote "Everywhere I go, I leave dead bodies" does not indicate aggressive tendencies.

Basically, that means, "you fuck with me, and dead bodies will start springing up". It does not literally mean that when he goes to the grocery store, a trail of stiffs is behind him. "Everywhere he goes", as in the Sentinels, as in him. There is deeper meaning.

So many qualifications, alterations, and avoidances in your argument. Honestly, if you cannot admit to the vast morass of hypocrisy evident in both your actions and your words, there is nothing more that we can do to help you.

Self-deception is a not a nice city to holiday in, Mr. Dreadfire, but it is a terrible one to live in. We hope your stay is not too long.

wait?! didn't i shoot WV with a E-11?

So many qualifications, alterations, and avoidances in your argument. Honestly, if you cannot admit to the vast morass of hypocrisy evident in both your actions and your words, there is nothing more that we can do to help you.

OOC: There is nothing hypocritical about anything I've said. You're the one bringing up topics that aren't even relevant!

Self-deception is a not a nice city to holiday in, Mr. Dreadfire, but it is a terrible one to live in. We hope your stay is not too long.

Maybe for once, you should heed your own words.

Let me do a comparison, shall we?

KAYE ADMINISTRATION

Average Civil Rights: Rare-Below Average

Average Economy-Triving-All consuming

Average Political Freedoms: Unheard Of

Wars: 10

Time in power: Unknown, although the 3 or 4 different times Kaye was in power, it adds up to like 3 or 4 months.

DREADFIRE ADMINISTRATION

Average Civil Rights: Good-Very Good

Average Economy: Frightening

Average Political Freedoms: Below Average

Wars: 1

Time in power: Over a month

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As you see, AMF has improved drastically through the Dreadfire Administration. Civil rights, economy, and political freedoms are way higher than they were before, and we have only been in 1 war since Damien came into power, which was the recent NS war.

So you see, how is Damien as bad as you make him out to be, WV?

A valid point has been missed here that I feel the need to stress.

We don't need a reason to do anything.

Perhaps it has escaped your attention, but the prime concern with providing a reason for doing something is to prevent a backlash. And, perhaps it has also escaped your attention, but a backlash is not something that overly concerns us at this time.

If the might of Arda could not breach the Empire's defences... what makes you think that we fear that you pitiful wretches could? Allies of AMF... seriously. I advise that you bow and scrap, apologize, and back down. Truly, the Empire has no desire to conquer you - but should you provide us with the oppurtunity...

~ Ambassador Dejure

"The propaganda the rogue nation of AMF uses to support it`s cause shall not blind us from the truth, nor shall it blind anyone else.

The threat AMF is cannot be allowed to exist further, so it will cease to exist.

Let`s thank EOTED for the fact that it exists."

~ Mr. Morden

"The propaganda the rogue nation of AMF uses to support it`s cause shall not blind us from the truth, nor shall it blind anyone else.

The threat AMF is cannot be allowed to exist further, so it will cease to exist.

Let`s thank EOTED for the fact that it exists."

~ Mr. Morden

Just what is the EXACT reason EOTED is going to try and take down AMF?

"The propaganda the rogue nation of AMF uses to support it`s cause shall not blind us from the truth, nor shall it blind anyone else.

The threat AMF is cannot be allowed to exist further, so it will cease to exist.

Let`s thank EOTED for the fact that it exists."

~ Mr. Morden

Just what is the EXACT reason EOTED is going to try and take down AMF?

OOC: Did you miss the post immediately above DA's? I'll make it bigger.

A valid point has been missed here that I feel the need to stress.

We don't need a reason to do anything.

ooc:- should this turn to war...I beg you to set up some rules first for the whole thing or it will turn into another AntiResiWar mess. Thats if it becomes a war.

I hope everybody realizes that this is the best thing said in this thread, as of yet.

ooc:- should this turn to war...I beg you to set up some rules first for the whole thing or it will turn into another AntiResiWar mess. Thats if it becomes a war.

I hope everybody realizes that this is the best thing said in this thread, as of yet.

If you second that motion, I third it! :)

Or do I second the motion that that is the best thing yet said in this thread?

Eh, must be both. :)

ooc:- should this turn to war...I beg you to set up some rules first for the whole thing or it will turn into another AntiResiWar mess. Thats if it becomes a war.

I hope everybody realizes that this is the best thing said in this thread, as of yet.

I concur.

"The propaganda the rogue nation of AMF uses to support it`s cause shall not blind us from the truth, nor shall it blind anyone else.

The threat AMF is cannot be allowed to exist further, so it will cease to exist.

Let`s thank EOTED for the fact that it exists."

~ Mr. Morden

Just what is the EXACT reason EOTED is going to try and take down AMF?

OOC: Did you miss the post immediately above DA's? I'll make it bigger.

A valid point has been missed here that I feel the need to stress.

We don't need a reason to do anything.


I didnt mean a reason to justify it, but are you guys looking for more land, money, or jsut trying to see who can kill who?

We don't need a reason to do anything.




WOW!!!


how much does this sound like the GODODAD???? or even teh DOMINION?


both were wiped out!

and i will join forces with ANY nation you or any member of EOTED trys to annex, and most likely resulting in youre demise and most of EOTED

i stand with AMF on this issue and my nation is quickly mobaliing the 1st, 23rd and 45th airbourne divisions with 2 wings of fighters

AMF, as result of the huge ignorefest between DT and his attackers i can devote lots more forces to thie war now.

this is going to quickly turn into a full scale war.....


and in preperation, and in the hope of being permitted into AMF territory the 3rd and 78th armoured divisons are being prepped and as many as 50,000 crew and srvice personnel are being prepped to look after all the equipment and tactical crew

with about 10,000 marines of the 67th fist

OOC:I thinkit went beyond an ignore fest Ardor.

IC:Have there been any deployments AMF?

OOC:I thinkit went beyond an ignore fest Ardor.

IC:Have there been any deployments AMF?


Yeah, glad i wasnt in it(i was away for about 2 days at a marching competition)


IC: I dont think there are any actualy deployments of foreign forces in AMF, but if their are, we should perhaps put some there as well then.

OOC:I thinkit went beyond an ignore fest Ardor.

IC:Have there been any deployments AMF?


i have not moved in any troop deployments until permission is given by AMF government


OOC: nice to see you again walten

OOC:I thinkit went beyond an ignore fest Ardor.

IC:Have there been any deployments AMF?


i have not moved in any troop deployments until permission is given by AMF government


OOC: nice to see you again waltenAhhh Mr.Adams...its been far too long hasnt it?

OOC:I thinkit went beyond an ignore fest Ardor.

IC:Have there been any deployments AMF?


i have not moved in any troop deployments until permission is given by AMF government


OOC: nice to see you again waltenAhhh Mr.Adams...its been far too long hasnt it?

yes rather it has..last time we spoke i was 600million :D

now im over a billion ^^

OOC:I thinkit went beyond an ignore fest Ardor.

IC:Have there been any deployments AMF?


i have not moved in any troop deployments until permission is given by AMF government


OOC: nice to see you again waltenAhhh Mr.Adams...its been far too long hasnt it?

yes rather it has..last time we spoke i was 600million :D

now im over a billion ^^
Atleast a month?

The last thing I remember you saying was on the GDODAD boards you were going to sue me for making your heart go boom.


IC:Has the threat level descreased at all?How are diplomatic talks?

Atleast a month?

no try 2 or 3 :D

Earlier I noted that a particular nation ought increase their intelligence budget; now I suggest that you hire better opthalmic opticians in your collective nations.

Do you not read? We stated that we did not need a reason - not that we do not have one.

Pay attention, little ones.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

Atleast a month?

no try 2 or 3 :D

atleast was the key word there.


IC: uhh is this war gonna be relatively modern or is it gonna be future tech?

The last thing I remember you saying was on the GDODAD boards you were going to sue me for making your heart go boom.


IC:Has the threat level descreased at all?How are diplomatic talks?


damn i cant even remeber that ^^

OOC: yes yesterday the doctor found out i had BRpm of 144 ^^ wen it should be aroun 70-80 ^^

i got stuck on some drug called BeaterBlocker it slows down the heart rate

IC: uhh is this war gonna be relatively modern or is it gonna be future tech?


i aint got a clue ^^

Well then I can see ones warmongering budget must be quite high....

The last thing I remember you saying was on the GDODAD boards you were going to sue me for making your heart go boom.


IC:Has the threat level descreased at all?How are diplomatic talks?


damn i cant even remeber that ^^

OOC: yes yesterday the doctor found out i had BRpm of 144 ^^ wen it should be aroun 70-80 ^^

i got stuck on some drug called BeaterBlocker it slows down the heart rate

wow, i've got a lesser degree of that, mine runs about 85-95 when its suppose to be right around 60

Well then I can see ones warmongering budget must be quite high....


1st in my region as the securest nation and 1,572 in the world ^^

wow, i've got a lesser degree of that, mine runs about 8-95 when its suppose to be right around 60

but do u have to take a drug that makes you feel sooooooooo weird?

Well then I can see ones warmongering budget must be quite high....


1st in my region as the securest nation and 1,572 in the world ^^Damn I dont remember what I am.

Well then I can see ones warmongering budget must be quite high....


1st in my region as the securest nation and 1,572 in the world ^^Damn I dont remember what I am.


it was on a cpuple of days ago ....damn 1 and a bit pages of spam ^^

where is amf? or EOTED?

wow, i've got a lesser degree of that, mine runs about 8-95 when its suppose to be right around 60

but do u have to take a drug that makes you feel sooooooooo weird?

NO, the doc just told me to try not to be stressful as much(tense), and since the last tiem i checked i have been doing lots of runnign and PT style exercises, which help me wiht stress.

wow, i've got a lesser degree of that, mine runs about 8-95 when its suppose to be right around 60

but do u have to take a drug that makes you feel sooooooooo weird?

NO, the doc just told me to try not to be stressful as much(tense), and since the last tiem i checked i have been doing lots of runnign and PT style exercises, which help me wiht stress.

i've always had a crappy heart, and i work out which has increased my lung capacity by 25% and made my heart a bit stronger....but then you find out that the bpm is soooo damn high, kinda depressing!

I will re-interate in this thread that I am suppporting EOTED, for various reasons.

I will re-interate in this thread that I am suppporting EOTED, for various reasons.


and those reasons being?


oh wait EOTED dont nead reasons do they!?!

I will re-interate in this thread that I am suppporting EOTED, for various reasons.

Have fun

To: Damien Dreadfire
From: Eric Love, Director, IDG

Many greetings to you and your proud people. We stood together against the [OOC: sadly died out...] Dark Vengence terrorists. So too, does the current adminstration of our Conglomerate wish to aid you in this time of unjust crisis. We are prepared to offer one of several contracts for the transfer of munitions, fuel, food, supplies, and/or possibly weapons systems for your protection. Although we cannot officially side with you in any conflict, nor in fact support any upcoming conflict, such a contract should prove useful to you. Furthermore, we can guarantee discretion on this matter if you can.

Please let me know how this offer appeals to you.

Sincerely,

E. Love, Director
International Developments Group
PrattCo Conglomerate

I will re-interate in this thread that I am suppporting EOTED, for various reasons.


and those reasons being?


oh wait EOTED dont nead reasons do they!?!

OOC: For the OOC reason that Menelmacar would kill me if I helped Auto. read some of my interactions with Menelmacar and you will get it

[OOC: No more off-topic posting, please. And nobody post any OOC comment after this without bothering to post something relevant IC first. Anything else will be considered hijacking, and will result in me whinging at you.]

I simply cannot believe the levels of posturing and blatant stupidity that this has reached. How in god's name some of you ever managed to rise to power is beyond me. I'm shocked. Truly. And that isn't an easy thing to accomplish.

First and foremost, may I remind you ladies and gentlemen that all EOTED has done is make a declaration, and tossed out threats in response. On the other side has been extremely poorly chosen responses, railing at the ridiculous claims put forward by EOTED, and for the love - military mobilization?

It is time to put aside your big guns, stop the posturing and threats, and come to the negotiation table before this spirals further out of control than it already is. I offer myself as mediator of you wish, as I have no vested interest in either nation, nor favor for either. That, and you need a cool head here - something I see is all too lacking at the moment.

Stop the threats. Cease the mobilizations. Call in your hounds - both of you. They are more of a threat at this point than yourselves, all of them yapping and puffing up their chests in support of your causes. Do not let this end in violence. There has been enough of that already.

Empress Rialla and EOTED - if you truly have the interests of stability at heart, you will hearken to these words. Damien Dreadfire and Automagfreek - if you truly wish for peace, and to prove yourselves in the eyes of your peers, put away your venom and agree to talks. For the good of all involved I say put down your guns and speak with some civility to one another.

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--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

It has always been the posture of our government that diplomatic means to a settlement are possible until the first shot is fired by our enemies. However, we would remind the Dread Lady that our poor reactions are because this so-called "document" is hostile and inflammatory in nature. While we will always support AMF, we would hope that Damien realizes that by talking this through and not firing the first shot that we would win a more thorough victory than can be achievable on any battlefield. If there is to be war, I hope it will not be because my allies fired first.

PS- It is always prudent to mobilize forces when the possibility of conflict exists, if nothing else it signals that military action is not out of the question.

*Bookmark*

Yes if you dotn mobilize your troops before somethign happnes then your most likely going ot be hit arder and take more damage than your attacker.

The Empire wishes only for stability and peace - and this entire scenario serves only to display why that wish is needed so greatly. The world falls into barking and scratching with claws at the merest mention of a potential conflict; the sides line up, and the swords come out.

Well, the Empire of the Eternal Dawn has news for you all: all of you hunger for war. All of you hunger for power, and the spoils of war.

And in the same breath, you decry others for wanting the same. Surely this is hypocritical?

And so I return to the primary point of this whole exercise. Stability and peace. None of you care for it - none of you are interested in it. Why should you be? Stability breeds sloth, I'm sure you believe; but what does war bring, pray tell?

We were most kind in allowing AMF a chance to respond. It would have been far simpler - and far less expensive, I might add - to simply drop IDF GF crack troops in his capital. The battle would have lasted minutes alone, AMF would have fallen - and none of you would have had the chance to voice your petty, childish views with the world as a stage.

Yet we did give you that chance. And you have squandered it.

The Empire, however, is not without mercy. We are willing to enter negotiations, with several key points - which we will not voice at this time - being the primary goals of those negotiations.

However, we do feel the need to warn that this offer will be the only offer made; refusal will result in...

...well, I don't need to lay it out in black and white for you, do I?

Finally, though, I would like to note that the support of our allies in this matter has been most welcome; and we have been most impressed by the ability of the Lady Nathicana to continue her honourable efforts towards a peaceful resolution to this situation.

~ Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II

( http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79981 )

Nations of the world, I come to you under a grave circumstnace. Ma-tek is attempting to annex AMF for absolutly NO reason. EOTED officials still refuse to comment as to why they are lashing out againt the Empire.

For many years (several RL months), AMF has kept to itself, staying away from international incidents, and focusing on building up our naiton. We have been a peaceful nation for a long time, until New Spartha (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78035) came along, but that's another story.

EOTED has violated AMF's sovereignty by claiming that AMF is under EOTED rule. I assure you, this is far from the truth. AMF resents this blatent arrogance on behalf of EOTED, and requests that the nations of the world demand a leadership change.

I am warning all the nations of the world, because EOTED has made it clear that if you do something he dosen't like, he will come for you. That is wrong in the highest regards, and AMF urges all nations to stnad behind us, and not the mindless aggressor that is EOTED.


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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-


Hahaha... And AMF attacked me once for no reason... OMG. Now he is whining about being attacked for no reason.

Why don't you get Dragonisia to help ya and summon 17 million troops at the enemy beaches, huh? No can do. Nobody believes that crap anyhow.. :D

This message shows the Empire for the decievers they are. First, the Empress says that the empire wishes for stability and peace, then they turn around and threaten AMF and do so in a most arrogant manner. Then the Empress says that they are willing to come to the negotiating table, yet they say that their offers are not to be refused or military action will result. This song the Empress sings is beautifully done, but in the end it shows she and her empire are just Sirens enticing people to their death for the EOTED's self-righteous goals.

If the Empire and specifically the Empress wishes to learn to negotiate what they want instead of expecting it to be handed to them then they are welcome to do so. Be warned we know the difference between true diplomatic efforts and the pretense of such that most children are extremely skillful at, we will not be lead astray.

Talking this through? Do mine eyes decieve me? Nearly all I've seen are returned threats, curses, and a general lack of decorum from Damien and his allies, and the allies of EOTED as well in many cases. This being my first interaction with him and others, I admit I come away from it less than impressed. I hope, as do you, that this changes. I'm highly disappointed in many of you, and will make no bones about it. Talk indeed. For many of you the first reactions were to fire up your weapons as well as your mouths.

I had expected more from the leadership of EOTED, but it seems my expectations were a bit high there as well. Of course they work their spin on this, as does AMF, and all the allies on both sides. The time for fighting for public approval is past. The time for serious talks and a putting aside of political posturing is now.

All of us hunger for war, you say? I beg to differ. All the same, I thank you for your gracious words on my behalf, and I will continue to sue for peace until it has become apparent my efforts are in vain. I could not in good conscience do less.

As such, my offer stands. I await response from Damien, and again urge those allies and hangers-on to back down. Prudence, you say? It would be more prudent to work towards settling this rather than rattling your sabers. Ill prepared? I would suggest your contingency plans faulty in that case. I know mine are ready, willing and able to defend our nation should it come to that, regardless of our peaceable efforts. I find the thought of you warmongering nations being caught so off-guard laughable at best.

In addition, I offer that the excuse to sink to similar levels simply because your opponent has is no excuse at all.

--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

Well, the Empire of the Eternal Dawn has news for you all: all of you hunger for war. All of you hunger for power, and the spoils of war.


I have only gone to war for just causes and even then I did not relish it. I do not hunger for power, I have all that I ever aspired to. I do not take the so-called spoils of war, I only seek to prevent another incident from occuring, that and that alone has ever been my victory conditions.

Do not presume to speak for me, for you do not know me so well as to do so and if you did you would be making more of an effort to avoid war.

No matter, if any type of invasion of AMF take place, the Empire of Ardor will assist AMF in any way necesary, even if it comes down to total desruction of all parties included.

No matter, if any type of invasion of AMF take place, the Empire of Ardor will assist AMF in any way necesary, even if it comes down to total desruction of all parties included.

That stance - complete obliteration - is of course exactly the responsible kind of action we'd expect from such a nation.

No matter, if any type of invasion of AMF take place, the Empire of Ardor will assist AMF in any way necesary, even if it comes down to total desruction of all parties included.

That stance - complete obliteration - is of course exactly the responsible kind of action we'd expect from such a nation.

That happens to be Ardorian policy, if we were to go down, then it would be in our mind that their government would ot survive. just policy

No matter, if any type of invasion of AMF take place, the Empire of Ardor will assist AMF in any way necesary, even if it comes down to total desruction of all parties included.

That stance - complete obliteration - is of course exactly the responsible kind of action we'd expect from such a nation.

I believe he means that none of us will surrender, if we go down then so do our enemies. Are you so dedicated to your cause? Are you prepared to reap what you sew?

No matter, if any type of invasion of AMF take place, the Empire of Ardor will assist AMF in any way necesary, even if it comes down to total desruction of all parties included.

That stance - complete obliteration - is of course exactly the responsible kind of action we'd expect from such a nation.

I believe he means that none of us will surrender, if we go down then so do our enemies. Are you so dedicated to your cause? Are you prepared to reap what you sew?

Yes, we are prepared to do exactly that.

But, make no mistake, that course of action is only as we are in utter disaray, and are certain to be annexed or destroyed as well.

No matter, if any type of invasion of AMF take place, the Empire of Ardor will assist AMF in any way necesary, even if it comes down to total desruction of all parties included.

That stance - complete obliteration - is of course exactly the responsible kind of action we'd expect from such a nation.

I believe he means that none of us will surrender, if we go down then so do our enemies. Are you so dedicated to your cause? Are you prepared to reap what you sew?

Yes, we are prepared to do exactly that.

But, make no mistake, that course of action is only as we are in utter disaray, and are certain to be annexed or destroyed as well.

That was directed at WV, but we believe the same as you.

Talking this through? Do mine eyes decieve me? Nearly all I've seen are returned threats, curses, and a general lack of decorum from Damien and his allies, and the allies of EOTED as well in many cases. This being my first interaction with him and others, I admit I come away from it less than impressed. I hope, as do you, that this changes. I'm highly disappointed in many of you, and will make no bones about it. Talk indeed. For many of you the first reactions were to fire up your weapons as well as your mouths.

I had expected more from the leadership of EOTED, but it seems my expectations were a bit high there as well. Of course they work their spin on this, as does AMF, and all the allies on both sides. The time for fighting for public approval is past. The time for serious talks and a putting aside of political posturing is now.

All of us hunger for war, you say? I beg to differ. All the same, I thank you for your gracious words on my behalf, and I will continue to sue for peace until it has become apparent my efforts are in vain. I could not in good conscience do less.

As such, my offer stands. I await response from Damien, and again urge those allies and hangers-on to back down. Prudence, you say? It would be more prudent to work towards settling this rather than rattling your sabers. Ill prepared? I would suggest your contingency plans faulty in that case. I know mine are ready, willing and able to defend our nation should it come to that, regardless of our peaceable efforts. I find the thought of you warmongering nations being caught so off-guard laughable at best.

In addition, I offer that the excuse to sink to similar levels simply because your opponent has is no excuse at all.

--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

Lady Nathicana, the Empire feels that it has been most gracious. There have been many times that we would have been well within our rights to begin full strikes against a number of those nations that have seen fit to insult, threaten, and otherwise act in an absolutely barbaric manner towards us. We have not responded with weapons, but with words. The Diplomatic Corps must respond, however, I note, with equal strength to the statements by our... adversaries... or the danger exists that weakness will be percieved.

When dealing with primitives, you understand (and I do not speak of intellect, but of society and culture), one has to be careful with the signals one sends out; they are prone to frequent misunderstanding, and often resort immediately to aggression.

Recent events would seem to support this viewpoint.

~ Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II

Some people feel they are too important for negotians...negotiatians...diplomacy.And then what are we to do?

I believe he means that none of us will surrender, if we go down then so do our enemies. Are you so dedicated to your cause? Are you prepared to reap what you sew?

No, we firmly expect to attempt to improve the world despite the warlike savages that inhabit it - for their own good - without suffering any consequences at all!

Some people feel they are too important for negotians...negotiatians...diplomacy.And then what are we to do?

We stand our ground and hope the aggressors see the folly of their actions and words.

I believe he means that none of us will surrender, if we go down then so do our enemies. Are you so dedicated to your cause? Are you prepared to reap what you sew?

No, we firmly expect to attempt to improve the world despite the warlike savages that inhabit it - for their own good - without suffering any consequences at all!

OOC: The sarcasm is not appreciated

Great, so you understand that it is more than likely that several billion people are likely to die and that a few hundred million are going to be yours. If you don't, then I suggest that you rethink your stance on this war.

Some people feel they are too important for negotians...negotiatians...diplomacy.And then what are we to do?

We stand our ground and hope the aggressors see the folly of their actions and words.Thats we weve(AMF's Allies) have been doing.

Great, so you understand that it is more than likely that several billion people are likely to die and that a few hundred million are going to be yours.

We don't think that's very likely to be the case, really.

Some people feel they are too important for negotians...negotiatians...diplomacy.And then what are we to do?

We stand our ground and hope the aggressors see the folly of their actions and words.Thats we weve(AMF's Allies) have been doing.

I am one of AMF's allies and if were up to me we'd be at the negotiating table already, settling grievences. I am not yet ready to plant my feet and draw my sword, although I acknowledge that it is at this point more than likely.

Scandavian States, I don't think so. While you have been ranting, others have been busy at Irc, debating on the issue, sending t-grams to AMF and EOTED etc.

And exactly what have you done? All you do is run around and tell everybody how prepared you are to go down fighting. And you are constantly allowing yourself to be provoked by what others say. If you'd stop that and take some constructive action to actually do something to prevent an all out war, then you could say what you have just stated.

Scandavian States, I don't think so. While you have been ranting, others have been busy at Irc, debating on the issue, sending t-grams to AMF and EOTED etc.

And exactly what have you done? All you do is run around and tell everybody how prepared you are to go down fighting. And you are constantly allowing yourself to be provoked by what others say. If you'd stop that and take some constructive action to actually do something to prevent an all out war, then you could say what you have just stated.

Unfortunately I don't use IRC and really don't care to. And you would have me not react to what other's say? I think you forget who's on the defensive here. Besides what would you have me do? I am truly all ears, give me a suggestion and I'll do my best to try to implement it. About the only thing I can think of is negotiations and I'm not a independent third party so it wouldn't be proper for me to host or mediate them.

I simply cannot believe the levels of posturing and blatant stupidity that this has reached. How in god's name some of you ever managed to rise to power is beyond me. I'm shocked. Truly. And that isn't an easy thing to accomplish.

First and foremost, may I remind you ladies and gentlemen that all EOTED has done is make a declaration, and tossed out threats in response. On the other side has been extremely poorly chosen responses, railing at the ridiculous claims put forward by EOTED, and for the love - military mobilization?

It is time to put aside your big guns, stop the posturing and threats, and come to the negotiation table before this spirals further out of control than it already is. I offer myself as mediator of you wish, as I have no vested interest in either nation, nor favor for either. That, and you need a cool head here - something I see is all too lacking at the moment.

Stop the threats. Cease the mobilizations. Call in your hounds - both of you. They are more of a threat at this point than yourselves, all of them yapping and puffing up their chests in support of your causes. Do not let this end in violence. There has been enough of that already.

Empress Rialla and EOTED - if you truly have the interests of stability at heart, you will hearken to these words. Damien Dreadfire and Automagfreek - if you truly wish for peace, and to prove yourselves in the eyes of your peers, put away your venom and agree to talks. For the good of all involved I say put down your guns and speak with some civility to one another.

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--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

Nemerov glanced at the picture he was given of Nathi. He shook his head.

"EOTED is making claims that AMF is currently their's. I do not see how AMF can put down their arms. They must fight for themselves...especially now that Ma-tek has destroyed any chance for diplomacy."

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

I understand it is difficult to negotiate when having ties with one of the parties involved. I'm in the same situation, but I'm still trying some things. But never mind. If you think your current behaviour (and you are not the only nation who seems to think that) helps the situation, please carry on :(

Talking this through? Do mine eyes decieve me? Nearly all I've seen are returned threats, curses, and a general lack of decorum from Damien and his allies, and the allies of EOTED as well in many cases. This being my first interaction with him and others, I admit I come away from it less than impressed. I hope, as do you, that this changes. I'm highly disappointed in many of you, and will make no bones about it. Talk indeed. For many of you the first reactions were to fire up your weapons as well as your mouths.

I had expected more from the leadership of EOTED, but it seems my expectations were a bit high there as well. Of course they work their spin on this, as does AMF, and all the allies on both sides. The time for fighting for public approval is past. The time for serious talks and a putting aside of political posturing is now.

All of us hunger for war, you say? I beg to differ. All the same, I thank you for your gracious words on my behalf, and I will continue to sue for peace until it has become apparent my efforts are in vain. I could not in good conscience do less.

As such, my offer stands. I await response from Damien, and again urge those allies and hangers-on to back down. Prudence, you say? It would be more prudent to work towards settling this rather than rattling your sabers. Ill prepared? I would suggest your contingency plans faulty in that case. I know mine are ready, willing and able to defend our nation should it come to that, regardless of our peaceable efforts. I find the thought of you warmongering nations being caught so off-guard laughable at best.

In addition, I offer that the excuse to sink to similar levels simply because your opponent has is no excuse at all.

--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

Lady Nathicana, the Empire feels that it has been most gracious. There have been many times that we would have been well within our rights to begin full strikes against a number of those nations that have seen fit to insult, threaten, and otherwise act in an absolutely barbaric manner towards us. We have not responded with weapons, but with words. The Diplomatic Corps must respond, however, I note, with equal strength to the statements by our... adversaries... or the danger exists that weakness will be percieved.

When dealing with primitives, you understand (and I do not speak of intellect, but of society and culture), one has to be careful with the signals one sends out; they are prone to frequent misunderstanding, and often resort immediately to aggression.

Recent events would seem to support this viewpoint.

~ Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II

“You sir, disgust me. Look beyond your arrogance and see the error in your ways. Those who speak unashamedly of themselves find too late that prudent silence is wise. Please Miss, hold your tongue.”

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

Talking this through? Do mine eyes decieve me? Nearly all I've seen are returned threats, curses, and a general lack of decorum from Damien and his allies, and the allies of EOTED as well in many cases. This being my first interaction with him and others, I admit I come away from it less than impressed. I hope, as do you, that this changes. I'm highly disappointed in many of you, and will make no bones about it. Talk indeed. For many of you the first reactions were to fire up your weapons as well as your mouths.

I had expected more from the leadership of EOTED, but it seems my expectations were a bit high there as well. Of course they work their spin on this, as does AMF, and all the allies on both sides. The time for fighting for public approval is past. The time for serious talks and a putting aside of political posturing is now.

All of us hunger for war, you say? I beg to differ. All the same, I thank you for your gracious words on my behalf, and I will continue to sue for peace until it has become apparent my efforts are in vain. I could not in good conscience do less.

As such, my offer stands. I await response from Damien, and again urge those allies and hangers-on to back down. Prudence, you say? It would be more prudent to work towards settling this rather than rattling your sabers. Ill prepared? I would suggest your contingency plans faulty in that case. I know mine are ready, willing and able to defend our nation should it come to that, regardless of our peaceable efforts. I find the thought of you warmongering nations being caught so off-guard laughable at best.

In addition, I offer that the excuse to sink to similar levels simply because your opponent has is no excuse at all.

--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

Lady Nathicana, the Empire feels that it has been most gracious. There have been many times that we would have been well within our rights to begin full strikes against a number of those nations that have seen fit to insult, threaten, and otherwise act in an absolutely barbaric manner towards us. We have not responded with weapons, but with words. The Diplomatic Corps must respond, however, I note, with equal strength to the statements by our... adversaries... or the danger exists that weakness will be percieved.

When dealing with primitives, you understand (and I do not speak of intellect, but of society and culture), one has to be careful with the signals one sends out; they are prone to frequent misunderstanding, and often resort immediately to aggression.

Recent events would seem to support this viewpoint.

~ Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II

“You sir, disgust me. Look beyond your arrogance and see the error in your ways. Those who speak unashamedly of themselves find too late that prudent silence is wise. Please Miss, hold your tongue.”

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

'Sir'? 'Miss'? I will give you leave to correct your errors - but correct them quickly, for the Empire is fully willing to launch our full strength at you for such insults. The People will not stand for anything less, in response to an attack on their very essence.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

I understand it is difficult to negotiate when having ties with one of the parties involved. I'm in the same situation, but I'm still trying some things. But never mind. If you think your current behaviour (and you are not the only nation who seems to think that) helps the situation, please carry on :(

No, not never mind. I'll be damned if I'm going to give up when I see a real chance for peace, I'm generally a reasonable person so long as whoever is speaking to me isn't being a pompous ass. I'm more than willing to work with you, but I need something to work with. Do you not agree that if we manage to engineer a diplomatic solution it would be like snatching victory from the jaws of defeat? Besides, I was dead serious about casualties in the billions, both sides are going to get hurt bad if this war happens.

Sorry, double post.

So you make more threats Ma-Tek?I could easily (Along with steel :wink: ) involve the Orion Sector Alliance in this.

No, not never mind. I'll be damned if I'm going to give up when I see a real chance for peace, I'm generally a reasonable person so long as whoever is speaking to me isn't being a pompous ass. I'm more than willing to work with you, but I need something to work with. Do you not agree that if we manage to engineer a diplomatic solution it would be like snatching victory from the jaws of defeat? Besides, I was dead serious about casualties in the billions, both sides are going to get hurt bad if this war happens.

Check your telegrams please. I'll explain some things

Give 'em hell AMF!

"My apologies for not knowing what to call you...I am not sure who I am talking to when I send a message to your empire...and therefore I am not sure of the receiver of my message's gender. I cannot however, apologize for my view on your actions. The being said, I am not about to go to war for a new friend (AMF) or against a new opponent. The people don't want it...but more importantly I do not. Do what you want against AMF...but be prepared for the backlash. I have more allies though...and less people want me destroyed. Annex the galaxy...go ahead...but turn your barrells against the Orion Empire and and be assured that a disaster beyond your imagination will occur."

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

First off, thank you to James Adams for putting aside our past differences, I hope this wil bring us closer together. And thanks to Santa Barbara as well.

Now, onto Ma-tek.

The Empire will not participate in talks, becuase there is no point. Either Ma-tek leaves the Empire alone, or there will be problems. We are NOT under your control, EOTED, and we will never submit to any "rules" of yours.

And by the way, don't you dare underestimate me and the Sentinels, that is the WORST mistake you can make. Your attempt to annex the Empire has failed, and we will not submit to your harsh terms, and that's the bottom line. Hence why talks aren't neccessary, because we will not negotiate with a nation that will only put sanctions on us, it's not going to happen.

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

The Duchy would like to take this opportunity to express its neutrality on this issue. However, I am also quite sickened by actions on both sides. While I do agree with Mr. Dreadfire on some points, I am appalled at the military mobilizations in AMF allied countries. Are you so thirsty for war? Exhaust all diplomatic possibilites before preparing your armies.

Henri Golovko
Grand Duke and High Pontiff
Grand Duchy of Anaguum

The Duchy would like to take this opportunity to express its neutrality on this issue. However, I am also quite sickened by actions on both sides. While I do agree with Mr. Dreadfire on some points, I am appalled at the military mobilizations in AMF allied countries. Are you so thirsty for war? Exhaust all diplomatic possibilites before preparing your armies.

Henri Golovko
Grand Duke and High Pontiff
Grand Duchy of Anaguum

We are only preparing our defenses.

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

"No point for talks?"

Damien Dreadfire, while we are sickened by EOTED's defiance, we would like Mr. Dreadfire to know: even if AMF is invaded, AMF deserves to be now.

Please, Dreadfire, have some mercy, and give in peace. Do you want death?

This is a voice of nertuality and peace.

Foreign Affairs Ministry

First off, thank you to James Adams for putting aside our past differences, I hope this wil bring us closer together. And thanks to Santa Barbara as well.

Now, onto Ma-tek.

The Empire will not participate in talks, becuase there is no point. Either Ma-tek leaves the Empire alone, or there will be problems. We are NOT under your control, EOTED, and we will never submit to any "rules" of yours.

And by the way, don't you dare underestimate me and the Sentinels, that is the WORST mistake you can make. Your attempt to annex the Empire has failed, and we will not submit to your harsh terms, and that's the bottom line. Hence why talks aren't neccessary, because we will not negotiate with a nation that will only put sanctions on us, it's not going to happen.


Damien, EOTED has stated it won't shun violence to enfore his claims. That, at the very least, is a good reason to negotiate. Not to prevent annexation, but to prevent war.

"No point for talks?"

Damien Dreadfire, while we are sickened by EOTED's defiance, we would like Mr. Dreadfire to know: even if AMF is invaded, AMF deserves to be now.

Please, Dreadfire, have some mercy, and give in peace. Do you want death?

This is a voice of nertuality and peace.

Foreign Affairs Ministry

"And give up the rule his nation simply for peace? Please Omz...if that is how you think...I will own you by next week. "

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

Damien, EOTED has stated it won't shun violence to enfore his claims. That, at the very least, is a good reason to negotiate. Not to prevent annexation, but to prevent war.

And I see we come full circle AGAIN. There is no use in negotiating, because we wil remain a free and sovereign, and that's the bottom line.

Why should I have to negotiate? For what? To keep my own damn country?

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

"And give up the rule his nation simply for peace? Please Omz...if that is how you think...I will own you by next week. "

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

Our point is not to have AMF given in to EOTED's terms, Mr. Nemerov. Our point is that Mr. Dreadfire could at least show some coopreation with the peace process that will be happening.

Foreign Affairs Ministry

Our point is not to have AMF given in to EOTED's terms, Mr. Nemerov. Our point is that Mr. Dreadfire could at least show some coopreation with the peace process that will be happening.

Foreign Affairs Ministry

I am cooperating. I keep my country the way it is, and that's that.

Where's the problem?

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

I am cooperating. I keep my country the way it is, and that's that.

Where's the problem?

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Sometimes miracles can happen.

Even if EOTED is still keeping the terms, at least show some will for peace. There may just be a way to both avoid war and annexation.

Foreign Affairs Ministry

"And give up the rule his nation simply for peace? Please Omz...if that is how you think...I will own you by next week. "

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

Our point is not to have AMF given in to EOTED's terms, Mr. Nemerov. Our point is that Mr. Dreadfire could at least show some coopreation with the peace process that will be happening.

Foreign Affairs Ministry

"EOTED has claimed that they control AMF...I really think this is past peace if AMF wishes to keep his nation."

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

The Republic of Tiburon will not attack any nation unless and until it or its allies are attacked. I'm not launching a pre-emptive war. Never. Sorry, AMF, but if you're gonna strike first, you'll have to wait until EOTED strikes back for Tiburonese assistance.

I am cooperating. I keep my country the way it is, and that's that.

Where's the problem?

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Sometimes miracles can happen.

Even if EOTED is still keeping the terms, at least show some will for peace. There may just be a way to both avoid war and annexation.

Foreign Affairs Ministry

I'm sure Damien's more than willing to let peace prevail, provided that EOTED gives their legit demands. I now damn well that crap that's posted isn't it.

"EOTED has claimed that they control AMF...I really think this is past peace if AMF wishes to keep his nation."

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Empire of Steel Butterfly
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII
Orion Sector Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

Well, not entirely.

If we are under EOTED rule, then consider this open defiance.

AMF will remain it's own independant entity, regardless of what this evil Elven peoples thinks. I will not see the AMF peoples bow down to these ruthless oppressors. If Ma-tek decides they want to take us by force, they will be in the fight of thier lives. If they decide to do nothing, then all is well, and peace wins the day.

This all rests on Ma-tek now. Should they try to invade, AMF and allies stand ready.
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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

First off, thank you to James Adams for putting aside our past differences, I hope this wil bring us closer together. And thanks to Santa Barbara as well.

Now, onto Ma-tek.

The Empire will not participate in talks, becuase there is no point. Either Ma-tek leaves the Empire alone, or there will be problems. We are NOT under your control, EOTED, and we will never submit to any "rules" of yours.

And by the way, don't you dare underestimate me and the Sentinels, that is the WORST mistake you can make. Your attempt to annex the Empire has failed, and we will not submit to your harsh terms, and that's the bottom line. Hence why talks aren't neccessary, because we will not negotiate with a nation that will only put sanctions on us, it's not going to happen.

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Underestimate? My dear friend, we underestimate nothing. You overestimate your ability to defend yourself from an Empire by far your superior in all areas; if you wish, we can easily prove it...

...however, that runs contrary to our aims in this situation... at this time. You will sit down, and you will talk. Furthermore, you will listen. You will sit down, talk, listen, and agree to the terms we present without fail. I can however state categorically that the Empire will drop all claims to ownership of AMF, providing that certain other requirements are met by AMF.

Then, you will call your dogs off, and they will go slobber elsewhere. Lastly, once you have agreed to the terms, you will issue a humbling, respectful apology.

Once this is done, and only then, will we take the Imperial Intercontinental Kinetic Missile Launch Grid offline, and cease targeting AMF and their allies.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

The Problem has been stated. You are a rogue nation. You are now being supported by many nations, dictators all, who are only seeking a good fight, or perhaps revenge because of earlier losses to the Might of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn.

We wish you to cooperate, to reassure us that your nation is not rogue. And yet you do not do such. Instead, you mobilize yourself and many other rogue, petty states for war. These are not the actions of a peace loving country.

Until such time as you show yourself willing to negociate, our fighters will remain in orbit with your satellites, and we will remain prepared to support our allies, the Empire of the Eternal Dawn.

http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/currey.gif Johnathan Currey, Minister, International Relations Directorate
The Federation of Sentient Peoples (http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/)
Federation Roleplay Policy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55186)

Underestimate? My dear friend, we underestimate nothing. You overestimate your ability to defend yourself from an Empire by far your superior in all areas; if you wish, we can easily prove it...

...however, that runs contrary to our aims in this situation... at this time. You will sit down, and you will talk. Furthermore, you will listen. You will sit down, talk, listen, and agree to the terms we present without fail. I can however state categorically that the Empire will drop all claims to ownership of AMF, providing that certain other requirements are met by AMF.

Then, you will call your dogs off, and they will go slobber elsewhere. Lastly, once you have agreed to the terms, you will issue a humbling, respectful apology.

Once this is done, and only then, will we take the Imperial Intercontinental Kinetic Missile Launch Grid offline, and cease targeting AMF and their allies.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

I am trying....to..keep...my...composure...

LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY, LITTLE ELVEN PERSON: We will not negotiate, BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE!

Stop thinking yourselves so superior, you still bleed and die like the rest of us. You do not own us, nor shall you ever, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD NOW. Our "dogs of war" will not lash out unless you do, and believe me, lashing out against the Empire would be suicide.

BOTTOM LINE: We will remain free, and NOT under your rule.

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---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

We urge Damien to sit down for talks, we have it on good authority that EOTED's true demands are not so harsh.

I'd help you AMF, but I am modern tech.

I'd help you AMF, but I am modern tech.

So am I.

I'd help you AMF, but I am modern tech.

AMF is modern tech.

AMF, please check your telegrams

I'd help you AMF, but I am modern tech.

AMF is modern tech.

Yeah, like slightly post-modern tech. But we still use swords and such as well.

Underestimate? My dear friend, we underestimate nothing. You overestimate your ability to defend yourself from an Empire by far your superior in all areas; if you wish, we can easily prove it...

...however, that runs contrary to our aims in this situation... at this time. You will sit down, and you will talk. Furthermore, you will listen. You will sit down, talk, listen, and agree to the terms we present without fail. I can however state categorically that the Empire will drop all claims to ownership of AMF, providing that certain other requirements are met by AMF.

Then, you will call your dogs off, and they will go slobber elsewhere. Lastly, once you have agreed to the terms, you will issue a humbling, respectful apology.

Once this is done, and only then, will we take the Imperial Intercontinental Kinetic Missile Launch Grid offline, and cease targeting AMF and their allies.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

I am trying....to..keep...my...composure...

LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY, LITTLE ELVEN PERSON: We will not negotiate, BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE!

Stop thinking yourselves so superior, you still bleed and die like the rest of us. You do not own us, nor shall you ever, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD NOW. Our "dogs of war" will not lash out unless you do, and believe me, lashing out against the Empire would be suicide.

BOTTOM LINE: We will remain free, and NOT under your rule.

http://invisionfree.com:54/40/9/upload/p3403.jpg
---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

If you'd calm your blind rage for just a moment, and read that transmission again, you'd see that they are offering for you to keep self rule.

But again, your warlike tendancies and rage blind your reason.

http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/currey.gif Johnathan Currey, Minister, International Relations Directorate
The Federation of Sentient Peoples (http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/)
Federation Roleplay Policy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55186)

Underestimate? My dear friend, we underestimate nothing. You overestimate your ability to defend yourself from an Empire by far your superior in all areas; if you wish, we can easily prove it...

...however, that runs contrary to our aims in this situation... at this time. You will sit down, and you will talk. Furthermore, you will listen. You will sit down, talk, listen, and agree to the terms we present without fail. I can however state categorically that the Empire will drop all claims to ownership of AMF, providing that certain other requirements are met by AMF.

Then, you will call your dogs off, and they will go slobber elsewhere. Lastly, once you have agreed to the terms, you will issue a humbling, respectful apology.

Once this is done, and only then, will we take the Imperial Intercontinental Kinetic Missile Launch Grid offline, and cease targeting AMF and their allies.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

I am trying....to..keep...my...composure...

LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY, LITTLE ELVEN PERSON: We will not negotiate, BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE!

Stop thinking yourselves so superior, you still bleed and die like the rest of us. You do not own us, nor shall you ever, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD NOW. Our "dogs of war" will not lash out unless you do, and believe me, lashing out against the Empire would be suicide.

BOTTOM LINE: We will remain free, and NOT under your rule.

http://invisionfree.com:54/40/9/upload/p3403.jpg
---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Underlining... bold text... capital letters... My, you must be serious.

Although, perhaps if you were to pay attention, you would realize that we are no longer claiming that you have lost the right to remaining a free and sovereign state. In fact, you have no idea what our terms are; quite irrational of you, therefore, to continue this decidedly aggressive attitude of yours. Really, for one who claims not to be primitive, you truly do not show that to be so.

Our patience is... sizeable... but not infinite.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

Underlining... bold text... capital letters... My, you must be serious.

Although, perhaps if you were to pay attention, you would realize that we are no longer claiming that you have lost the right to remaining a free and sovereign state. In fact, you have no idea what our terms are; quite irrational of you, therefore, to continue this decidedly aggressive attitude of yours. Really, for one who claims not to be primitive, you truly do not show that to be so.

Our patience is... sizeable... but not infinite.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

I have been paying attention, whereas you have not.

I'M STATING that until you do something about it, AMF will remain free, bottom line. The peace process rests solely in YOUR hands, not ours. We want to remain free and unoppressed, and we shall do so for all time.

Aggressive attitudes? Bah....sometimes that the only way to get stuff into your heads, I swear....

http://invisionfree.com:54/40/9/upload/p3403.jpg
---Damien Dreadfire---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
"Everywhere I go, I'm always leaving dead bodies..."
-Damien Dreadfire inauguration speech-

Yeah, and ours isn't. I have a suggestion for you, how about you list your damn demands and be done with it. Quite frankly I'm getting tired of your dancing around and I have a pretty good idea of what you want, so you can understand how AMF feels.

AMF:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1795699#1795699

I have been paying attention, whereas you have not.

I'M STATING that until you do something about it, AMF will remain free, bottom line. The peace process rests solely in YOUR hands, not ours. We want to remain free and unoppressed, and we shall do so for all time.

Aggressive attitudes? Bah....sometimes that the only way to get stuff into your heads, I swear....

And yet, you still do not listen. To quote Relhatti "we are no longer claiming that you have lost the right to remaining a free and sovereign state."

Therefore, you are simply agreeing with us, partially. We have stated you will remain free. You have stated you will remain free.

Okay. We agree on something.

This is a good place to start. Now, why don't you come to a table where the remaining requests of the Imperial Government can be presented and discussed?

http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/currey.gif Johnathan Currey, Minister, International Relations Directorate
The Federation of Sentient Peoples (http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/)
Federation Roleplay Policy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55186)

*Points to link above*

AMF I think reasonably speaking you CANNOT expect to be on the higher moral ground here. That's crap and you know it. Your leader is, by your own description ruthless and practical, if you saw a threat to your power wouldn't you just stomp it out?

Take that same cold mindset and apply it to Ma-Tek viewing you and I think you will find the reason for attack there.

Personally I hate and like both of you so I am staying out of this one but seriously this should be one helluva fight.

AMF I think reasonably speaking you CANNOT expect to be on the higher moral ground here. That's crap and you know it. Your leader is, by your own description ruthless and practical, if you saw a threat to your power wouldn't you just stomp it out?

Take that same cold mindset and apply it to Ma-Tek viewing you and I think you will find the reason for attack there.

Personally I hate and like both of you so I am staying out of this one but seriously this should be one helluva fight. :evil: