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Don't listen to those players that tell you that war on NationStates is all RP. If any newbies here are interested in learning the real art of war, then telegram General Leire, I'll teach you how :wink:

(I'm not as inexperienced as my nation would seem to suggest :wink: )

Come on, I always see people asking how to go to war. Right here I'm offering to tell you how. TM me.

(I'm not as inexperienced as my nation would seem to suggest :wink: )

Come on, I always see people asking how to go to war. Right here I'm offering to tell you how. TM me.

Ummm...why?

-Ruhr-
Victorious...undefeated...feared

(I'm not as inexperienced as my nation would seem to suggest :wink: )

Come on, I always see people asking how to go to war. Right here I'm offering to tell you how. TM me.

Ummm...why?

-Ruhr-
Victorious...undefeated...feared
Why what?

(I'm not as inexperienced as my nation would seem to suggest :wink: )

Come on, I always see people asking how to go to war. Right here I'm offering to tell you how. TM me.

Ummm...why?

-Ruhr-
Victorious...undefeated...feared
Why what?
Why learn the non rp war? Cos thats what a lot of people want.

The Non-War RP? Explain, you are doing advertising, but you are doing the advertising of the chiropractor who says, "Come to me when you feel injured!" Give us a little example.

Probably Region Crash War.

Pfft, I know real war. I know about tactics and all that, but I don't fight wars.

The Non-War RP? Explain, you are doing advertising, but you are doing the advertising of the chiropractor who says, "Come to me when you feel injured!" Give us a little example.
Alright, fair enough. I'm looking for 10-12 eager noobs to teach the invasion/ region crashing/ defending side of the game, so that I can form a new gameplay-active region.

Probably Region Crash War.
Basically, along with defending, spying etc. A lot of people say that all NS stuff is RP, and thats not true, so I want to introduce more people to the other side of it.

Pfft, I know real war. I know about tactics and all that, but I don't fight wars.
You're an older nation here. I'm trying to appeal to the noobs who always seem to come here looking for war.

The Non-War RP? Explain, you are doing advertising, but you are doing the advertising of the chiropractor who says, "Come to me when you feel injured!" Give us a little example.
Alright, fair enough. I'm looking for 10-12 eager noobs to teach the invasion/ region crashing/ defending side of the game, so that I can form a new gameplay-active region.

Probably Region Crash War.
Basically, along with defending, spying etc. A lot of people say that all NS stuff is RP, and thats not true, so I want to introduce more people to the other side of it.

What is so fun in that? Why isn't hacking included?

What is so fun in that? Why isn't hacking included?
Cos its illegal :wink:

Region crashing is, in most cases, dumb. But that's my opinion. RPing is actually war, region crashing is just moving a bunch of nations to a region and capturing a delegate position. For what benefit? Just to say: "Ooh! I conquered your region! HAHAHAHA!"

Region crashing is, in most cases, dumb. But that's my opinion. RPing is actually war, region crashing is just moving a bunch of nations to a region and capturing a delegate position. For what benefit? Just to say: "Ooh! I conquered your region! HAHAHAHA!"

You capitalists always assume that RPing is good. This site is a chance to express our personal beliefs and what a real government should look like! A communism is ideal here!

Region crashing is, in most cases, dumb. But that's my opinion. RPing is actually war, region crashing is just moving a bunch of nations to a region and capturing a delegate position. For what benefit? Just to say: "Ooh! I conquered your region! HAHAHAHA!"
Region crashing is fun, as long as people play by the rules. And theres a matter of pride when people capture your region

Region crashing can interfere with RP, RP leaves region crashing alone. That doesn't seem fair.

I do admit to not understanding the appeal of region crashing.

Ah well, doesn't bother me, since the delegate has no access to Walmington's home region.

Region crashing can interfere with RP, RP leaves region crashing alone. That doesn't seem fair.

I do admit to not understanding the appeal of region crashing.

Ah well, doesn't bother me, since the delegate has no access to Walmington's home region.
Region crashing and rp are completely seperate. How can they interfere?

See! You don't even understand how deep RP can be, but already seek alternatives. Bah, humbug.

You capitalists always assume that RPing is good. This site is a chance to express our personal beliefs and what a real government should look like! A communism is ideal here!

ooc: ... you're an idiot.

See! You don't even understand how deep RP can be, but already seek alternatives. Bah, humbug.
Alternatives? If you haven't tried the region crashing warfare, you haven't experinced the full depth of NS either.

Would you say that the forums are "alternative" to building your own nation? Would you call debating "alternative" to rp? They're all different, and they are fun in different ways.

Yes, I'm sure you can have hours of fun clicking the "move nation" button, followed by typing "0MG, 1 0wn J00 @ll" in the regional forum, followed by exiling the other countries, and then typing "0MG, 1 0wn J00 @ll" a few more times.

:roll:

*has tried both*

*thinks RPing is infinitly more fun.

*adds nOOb in question to AIVD intelligence files.*

-end of statment-

*has tried both*

*thinks RPing is infinitly more fun.

*adds nOOb in question to AIVD intelligence files.*

-end of statment-

You're adding me to your intelligence files you mean?
Lol

Yes, I'm sure you can have hours of fun clicking the "move nation" button, followed by typing "0MG, 1 0wn J00 @ll" in the regional forum, followed by exiling the other countries, and then typing "0MG, 1 0wn J00 @ll" a few more times.

:roll:
If thats all you think it is, then no wonder you don't enjoy it.

A couple of people have sent me TMs. Check your boxes if you've done so.

*has tried both*

*thinks RPing is infinitly more fun.

*adds nOOb in question to AIVD intelligence files.*

-end of statment-

You're adding me to your intelligence files you mean?
Lol

I took the liberty of enlarging that tiny comment. And changing the color.

Erm... no of course I am not going to watch your every move. I actually have a life , RPing :roll:

*has tried both*

*thinks RPing is infinitly more fun.

*adds nOOb in question to AIVD intelligence files.*

-end of statment-

You're adding me to your intelligence files you mean?
Lol

I took the liberty of enlarging that tiny comment.

Erm... no of course I am not going to watch your every move. I actually have a life , RPing :roll:
Sorry.

(The lol was to calling me a noob btw)

bud-umph

Region crashing, unless both regions involved are willing participants, is immature. A bunch of friends get together in a region to have fun, then a bunch of assholes decide to jump them and piss them off; I've been on the wrong side of it, and I can say that, from the victim's point of view, that's all there is to it.

People region-crashing without consent should be warned, and then deleted and IP banned if they persist; they're taking advantage of the way the game system is designed to cause player-conflict.

Region crashing, unless both regions involved are willing participants, is immature. A bunch of friends get together in a region to have fun, then a bunch of assholes decide to jump them and piss them off; I've been on the wrong side of it, and I can say that, from the victim's point of view, that's all there is to it.

People region-crashing without consent should be warned, and then deleted and IP banned if they persist; they're taking advantage of the way the game system is designed to cause player-conflict.
What you've described is not region crashing, its griefing. When a normal (non griefing) gameplay action takes place, its usually good fun for everyone involved, even the "victims". (You can hatch plans to reclaim your region)

Almost all region crashing that I've seen or taken part in is nothing like what you described. I do not advocate griefing, and I want to teach people to play properly and not just piss other players off.

Griefing is to the gameplay side of NS as spamming and godmodding is to the forum side.

Griefing is to the gameplay side as spamming and godmodding is to the forum side.

The difference is that people can and do ingore godmodders and spammers.

What you're talking about is using what, in this context, amounts to a bug, to invade and hijack regions. The very tools you use to do this are there to stop people from doing exactly what you're using them for.

I bet you applauded the guys to stole the Half-Life 2 source code.

Griefing is to the gameplay side as spamming and godmodding is to the forum side.

The difference is that people can and do ingore godmodders and spammers.

What you're talking about is using what, in this context, amounts to a bug, to invade and hijack regions. The very tools you use to do this are there to stop people from doing exactly what you're using them for.

I bet you applauded the guys to stole the Half-Life 2 source code.
Hostility Alarm!!

1) Its not a bug, its a legit tactic and its even acknowledged in the FAQ

2) I completely disagree about the intentions of the "tools" that you refer to, as I said before, region crashing is a part of this game and its a lot of fun for everyone as long as you obey the rules

3) I have no idea what that Half-Life reference is, nor what it has to do with this thread, so I can assure you I never applauded anything involved with that.

I notice a serial spammer in NS forum at the moment. You just gonna turn the other cheek?

I notice a serial spammer in NS forum at the moment. You just gonna turn the other cheek?

The mods have deleted his acount and locked the threads.

And spammers can easily be ignored; region hijacking is much more invasive.

At the very least, the influx in hijacker posts on the region board can and often does make it imposible to communicate through that channel, as it only holds a handful of the most recent posts..

Region crashing is, in most cases, dumb. But that's my opinion. RPing is actually war, region crashing is just moving a bunch of nations to a region and capturing a delegate position. For what benefit? Just to say: "Ooh! I conquered your region! HAHAHAHA!"

My sentiments exactly.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

I notice a serial spammer in NS forum at the moment. You just gonna turn the other cheek?

The mods have deleted his acount and locked the threads.

And spammers can easily be ignored; region hijacking is much more invasive.

At the very least, the influx in hijacker posts on the region board can and often does make it imposible to communicate through that channel, as it only holds a handful of the most recent posts..
I'd point out again that regional message board spamming is a griefing action and is not allowed. Normal, legal NS war is not related to these actions.

Often, RPs depend on the geographical location of the RPers in the NS world - i.e. what region they're in. If some region-crashing idiots barge in and evict people from a region when they're in the middle of an RP war, it can totally fsck things up.

Region Crashing - Don't do it, unless you like people hating you...

Often, RPs depend on the geographical location of the RPers in the NS world - i.e. what region they're in. If some region-crashing idiots barge in and evict people from a region when they're in the middle of an RP war, it can totally fsck things up.

Region Crashing - Don't do it, unless you like people hating you...
Those kinds of region crashing are not acceptable. Only gameplay nations should be crashed. That is rule number one, and something I'll be very sure to teach people.

Damn, thats like the 3rd time the server's gone down this hour.

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March 2003 is still in the heads of some veterans of the World: anarchy has been present in every street. Blood was present on each sidewalk... the blood of the Innocent. It is in this atmosphere that a group of professional officers met to discuss the potential solution to the chaos: ATLANTIC. A solution for order, a solution for stability.

Now the ATLANTIC ALLIANCE is ready more than ever to take in charge the World. It's diplomatic corps is more than ever ready to make talks. It's Intelligence Ministry collects the most precious information for future military and diplomatic missions, taking care to archive it. It's army has learned that success is not in war, but in small and effective military operations combined with Intelligence.

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Hey! No advertising on my thread!

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Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging

So, for anyone who is interested, you should sign up to the UN and come to my region "Leires army". I'll be teaching everyone who comes here how to play war properly. (this isn't a standard recruitment drive, its just that I just can't teach people war by telegram).

bump

We don't practise no girly-slow-dance rp s---, we do real war! I'm gonna train you pathetic wimps into the best damn fighting force these NationStates has ever seen.

OK, as someone who has RP'd several wars, I take offense at the notion that RP is "girly-slow-dance s---." What does "real" NS war mean? Moving a bunch of nations and taking over the UN delegate. Oh whee. :rolleyes: What does RP war mean? Well, then you have to think about your strategy, tactics, and whatnot? What is your objective? How are you going to achieve said objective? What units of your army shall you send? Are your soldiers just going to slaughter everything alive, or are they going to be more discrete in their killing? What about treaties, alliances, and whatnot? Believe me, if (God forbid) the RP'ers and the "Leire's" of the world end up in REAL general's chairs, you know whom I'm willing to bet will be the better commanders. The RPers.

You sound like someone who will enjoy NS2, as it will actually allow "wars" to actually do stuff to your country (in the term of game stuff).

That's all for now.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Having done both types of war, I say that region crashing is fun if you have the attention span of a gnat and you particularly value the strategy in clicking on the "endorse" and "move to a new region" links.

RP'd wars gives you stories and plots and characters that you still have afterwards. It's basically interactive creative writing or worldbuilding. Oh yeah, and Nation Simulation.*

What do you have when you've 'conquered a region?' NOTHING. The original players, if they're not into that sort of thing, will either find a way to remove you or leave you all alone.

And even if they do neither, you have no power over them, you've won nothing. You've got yourself a digital space that you're probably not welcome in. Congratulations! Only nine thousand more to go before you WIN THE GAME11!1!111!

*see: "Nationstates- the nation simulation game." This is the game you were looking for, right?

http://chriszs.f2o.org/atlantic/aaad1.jpg (http://chriszs.f2o.org/atlantic/)

March 2003 is still in the heads of some veterans of the World: anarchy has been present in every street. Blood was present on each sidewalk... the blood of the Innocent. It is in this atmosphere that a group of professional officers met to discuss the potential solution to the chaos: ATLANTIC. A solution for order, a solution for stability.

Now the ATLANTIC ALLIANCE is ready more than ever to take in charge the World. It's diplomatic corps is more than ever ready to make talks. It's Intelligence Ministry collects the most precious information for future military and diplomatic missions, taking care to archive it. It's army has learned that success is not in war, but in small and effective military operations combined with Intelligence.

Be part of the team. Join the fight (http://chriszs.f2o.org/atlantic/)

We don't practise no girly-slow-dance rp s---, we do real war! I'm gonna train you pathetic wimps into the best damn fighting force these NationStates has ever seen.

OK, as someone who has RP'd several wars, I take offense at the notion that RP is "girly-slow-dance s---." What does "real" NS war mean? Moving a bunch of nations and taking over the UN delegate. Oh whee. :rolleyes: What does RP war mean? Well, then you have to think about your strategy, tactics, and whatnot? What is your objective? How are you going to achieve said objective? What units of your army shall you send? Are your soldiers just going to slaughter everything alive, or are they going to be more discrete in their killing? What about treaties, alliances, and whatnot? Believe me, if (God forbid) the RP'ers and the "Leire's" of the world end up in REAL general's chairs, you know whom I'm willing to bet will be the better commanders. The RPers.

You sound like someone who will enjoy NS2, as it will actually allow "wars" to actually do stuff to your country (in the term of game stuff).

That's all for now.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia
The factbook entry is just a bit of fun, some RP as a grumpy boot camp CO.

And of you think there are no tactics in gameplay war, then you clearly haven't played it in any depth.

Having done both types of war, I say that region crashing is fun if you have the attention span of a gnat and you particularly value the strategy in clicking on the "endorse" and "move to a new region" links.

RP'd wars gives you stories and plots and characters that you still have afterwards. It's basically interactive creative writing or worldbuilding. Oh yeah, and Nation Simulation.*

What do you have when you've 'conquered a region?' NOTHING. The original players, if they're not into that sort of thing, will either find a way to remove you or leave you all alone.

And even if they do neither, you have no power over them, you've won nothing. You've got yourself a digital space that you're probably not welcome in. Congratulations! Only nine thousand more to go before you WIN THE GAME11!1!111!

*see: "Nationstates- the nation simulation game." This is the game you were looking for, right?

This post yet again shows the lack of understanding and patience that people have with the other side of the game.

bump

Okay, I've got a couple of people in the region, but I need more UN members. If you're willing to send your nation there, you may well get the delegacy of Leires army.

Crap, is the time weirdness back again?

Having done both types of war, I say that region crashing is fun if you have the attention span of a gnat and you particularly value the strategy in clicking on the "endorse" and "move to a new region" links.

RP'd wars gives you stories and plots and characters that you still have afterwards. It's basically interactive creative writing or worldbuilding. Oh yeah, and Nation Simulation.*

What do you have when you've 'conquered a region?' NOTHING. The original players, if they're not into that sort of thing, will either find a way to remove you or leave you all alone.

And even if they do neither, you have no power over them, you've won nothing. You've got yourself a digital space that you're probably not welcome in. Congratulations! Only nine thousand more to go before you WIN THE GAME11!1!111!

*see: "Nationstates- the nation simulation game." This is the game you were looking for, right?

This post yet again shows the lack of understanding and patience that people have with the other side of the game.

Thats nice that you think so, but please tell me exactly what it is you think I don't understand. As for patience well of course, I don't have infinite amounts.

I thought "Real War" was about making the enemy yield to what you want them to do. With region crashing you can't make the natives do anything, you can kick them out, but then you get deleted for greifing.

I know a little about the whole region crashing thing because I've had to defend against numberous crashers who don't seem to know a thing about organised attack.

I don't like region crashing... I've got some people in my region who know a ton about it and help defend us, but otherwise I keep out of it becuase it's really OOC. It doesn't represent real war in NS, just a ton of helicopters moving a ton of nations to outnumber other UN nations and claim they are the real power of a region.

At least in the RP wars we have you have to concider RL logistics, figures and research real wars so we know what we are talking about. You guys to me represent a load of people who play Quake and form "Tribes" or whatever... it's not my thing.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
More information about Iuthia.... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41124&highlight=)
Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
Urbanites Region (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)

At least in the RP wars we have you have to concider RL logistics, figures and research real wars so we know what we are talking about. You guys to me represent a load of people who play Quake and form "Tribes" or whatever... it's not my thing.
Who are the RPers in that analogy?

Thats nice that you think so, but please tell me exactly what it is you think I don't understand. As for patience well of course, I don't have infinite amounts.

Well, its this part really

Having done both types of war, I say that region crashing is fun if you have the attention span of a gnat and you particularly value the strategy in clicking on the "endorse" and "move to a new region" links.
Theres more to region crashing than just that. If thats all you think it is, you clearly don't understand it properly, that was my point.

Who are the RPers in that analogy?

The relatively small percentage of Role-Players who post on these boards and remember they are not invincable, I'll admit it, we have as much idiots in these forums as you guys have to deal with in your region crashing.

Not that I'm implying that region crashing is for idiots, I've seen the planning that goes into some of the operations, but it's all really too OOC for me, it is a game in it's self, but it doesn't seem realistic, nor does it have a interesting storyline... I suppose you could have a history... but it doesn't feel like NS to me.

I personally see region crashing as a nuisence... unfortunatly quarter of my region play the game just to stop region crashing. Apparently I've also been put in charge of defence operations... though personally it's something I'm going to let others organise.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
More information about Iuthia.... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41124&highlight=)
Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
Urbanites Region (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)

Eh? Seocc and SeOCC? :shock:

Thats nice that you think so, but please tell me exactly what it is you think I don't understand. As for patience well of course, I don't have infinite amounts.

Well, its this part really

Having done both types of war, I say that region crashing is fun if you have the attention span of a gnat and you particularly value the strategy in clicking on the "endorse" and "move to a new region" links.
Theres more to region crashing than just that. If thats all you think it is, you clearly don't understand it properly, that was my point.

Well, I was using exagerration to make the point that there's a finite amount of variability in region crashing, and thus it wears thin. If you like I see there's aspects of social psychology in the marshalling of players to do things, the timing of attacks and picking the right targets, strategy in escaping the wrath of mods by following the rules, a general sense of group-hunting human happy goodness. But really, you can get that kind of interest in any number of clan-oriented games. Or even nation sims that are just more geared for that, like Earth2025.

Looking back, I might have realised that this wasn't the best forum to post this thread in.

Ah well, you live and learn.

Bump because I've got a bit of interest in this region.