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I've noticed an increasing number of rogue states (aka n00bs and idiots) acquiring the technology of gravitics (usually without any research or trade RP), and giving it something of a bad name and 'clichéd' status through ridiculously bad RP.

Hence, I hereby propose to form the IGTA, or International Gravitics Technology Agency, something like the IAEA in real-life, except with regard to gravitics rather than atomics, and with the power to bring military smackdowns on offending nations. The idea, of course, is to restore the RP 'good name' of Menelmacar's signature technology (which I was the first nation on these boards to develop and use) and simultaneously increase the quality of RP on the boards. IC reasoning, of course, would be to prevent the proliferation of this technology to rogue states who would use it to cause trouble and destabilization and such.

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I likey. I'm in on this

"While we abstained from using gravtech, due to it´s (In our eyes) extreme vulnerability, and instead acquired a more... unique technology which allows us comparable strategic deployment capabilities (aka i tried to be creative and not to use gravstuff), we are indeed concerned about rogue states acquiring gravtech, or comparable space tech, and being a threat to the peaceful nations in the world.

We, for once, would like to be a member of this organisation, to keep the world safe."

~ Mr Morden and associates

Stop the presses! For once, we agree with our Noldor counterparts. the proliferation of these weapons is nothing short of ridiculous. Gravitics are not something to be taken lightly, in fact.

The spread of these weapons is undoubtedly the result of our example. As such, it's probably our responsibility to ensure that it doesn't get out of hand. Like nukes.

Hm… I agree with this idea, but I have to admit, I didn’t research my Hover Tanks, I simply stated a long time ago (and I was a big nation then too) that I specialise with magnetic technologies.

Iuthia uses and has been for quite some time, Gauss Weapons. It’s the only technology I really care about having. It has been used in quite a bit in some thread (with one of the best descriptions of the effect by Whispering Voices ever in the Vampire Conference).

But the Hover Tanks I claim were taken from a really old game called “War Inc.” and basically I posted a OOC history of my nation to explain how things worked and what I have… in truth I haven’t been in any wars since then (maybe 4 months?) so I think I have had adequate time to research it.

I do object to small nations just claiming it… when I started claiming slight future tech I was 550million population. I’m now 1.25 billion and I’m still pretty much the same, though I’m looking to acquire FTL drives for my fleet.

Although we have no interest into developing and/or obtaining gravitic technology, however, the spreading of gravitic technology to rogue nations is a new threat in the future ahead.

We will keep an eye, and be interested, in this organization.

Foreign Affairs Ministry

Though Dreisden does not, in any way, associate with the use of GravTech, we are supportive of the formation of a such an organization that will ensure that no rogue nation obtains a technology that wields numerous power for it to be abused.

Statement by the Dreisden Foreign Ministry

I don't have them :)

if u need help or funding turn to me :D

man ive got so much money its stupid....last time i was on here my pop was erm..... 600 million (just) now its over a billian :D

just thuink how rich i am! ^^

We totally support this idea of our Menelmacari allies, and even wish to join the said orginization. To put an end to the proliferation of gravatic technollogies to rogue states.

~ William i Eldandil Xylon of New Avalon. Emporer and King of the Empire of Diablo_NL

OOC: Hey James Adams is back!

and because of the fact that I think Menelmacar thinks I am a n00b, I will shut up and sit down.

Edit: Spelling

"While we abstained from using gravtech, due to it´s (In our eyes) extreme vulnerability, and instead acquired a more... unique technology which allows us comparable strategic deployment capabilities (aka i tried to be creative and not to use gravstuff), we are indeed concerned about rogue states acquiring gravtech, or comparable space tech, and being a threat to the peaceful nations in the world.

We, for once, would like to be a member of this organisation, to keep the world safe."

~ Mr Morden and associates

Who wants to be peaceful?

if u need help or funding turn to me :D

Hey, I have enough money to colonize Pluto by now...it's just that I like being primitive :P

OOC: It's for this reason that I retroactively changed the way my 'grav'ships - Now AKA Forcelifters. They look much like gravships to the untrained eye, but are slightly less sophisticated and more dangerous to stand underneath - work. I'm all for this idea, and would like to join IGTA.

However, I'd like to know what the exact commitments there are, what powers the agency will have. Mass burnination of godmodders? Diplomatic protests. Mass ignorance?

On powers: All of the above. :twisted:

~Siri

This sounds more like an excuse to exclude people you don't want from having grav tech to me. Whatever happened to a simple ignore? I mean, its not like those nations who refuse to research/develop/build gravtech are going to likewise acknowledge you bringing the royal smackdown on their collective behinds. While I applaud you for choosing an RP route for this, I fear that this setup has a geater potential for abuse. It accomplishes something that can already be done, ie a simple you-can't-do-that-cause-you-were-just-made-today-IGNORED! Whereas someone who may be inclined to RP would get the same treatment as that n00b. As far as raising the bar for the RP around here........please, you all know as well as I that it wouldn't happen. Admit it, it is very hard even for a good RPer to purposely hold back and do "all the proper research and etc" when other nations zip on by in their "new" tech and laugh in his/her face for using old school tech. The only way RP could be good is if everyone started at the same level and stayed that way. This really looks like to me as just another way to creat an elitest group in NS, like every other example of those who have and those who don't.

Just my $0.02, I don't really care either way.

OOC: Sketch: When the day comes that you actually go to the effort of being creative with something instead of just pulling it out of either your ass or a TV show, and it's really cool, enough that everyone else wants it, and then really really bad RPers start making a mockery of it... come back to this thread, and you'll understand.

~Siri

[maiden post: be gentle]

I guess I'd be what you classify as a "noob" (Gods, I hate that term) having only found this site last month. That said, I'm only just discovering how much RP does actually happen on here. If you're looking to create a RP-based solution to a situation like this, you have to make the RP solution look appealing enough that people will want to engage with it.

OTOH, the world is full of idiots with keyboards, and nothing anyone can do will change that.

The key, I think, is to not get wound up about it.

Smiley!

[maiden post: be gentle]

I guess I'd be what you classify as a "noob" (Gods, I hate that term) having only found this site last month. That said, I'm only just discovering how much RP does actually happen on here. If you're looking to create a RP-based solution to a situation like this, you have to make the RP solution look appealing enough that people will want to engage with it.

OTOH, the world is full of idiots with keyboards, and nothing anyone can do will change that.

The key, I think, is to not get wound up about it.

Smiley!
OOC: Well, you seem like quite the reasonable sort, and as maiden posts go, that was pretty good. :) Presumably, were you to develop gravships, you'd have the good sense to research and construct them at a reasonable rate, and skilfully RP their deployment as well. I look forward to seeing what you're capable of.

~Siri

Though we make a limited of gravitic technology (repulsorlift mostly), we agree that some limitation to tech available to younger nations is in order.

As a rule of thumb, an arbitrary pop number of 300 million can serve as a measure, but that has to be upped or lowered on a case-by-case basis, as factors as economy( imploded=1 billion or more, even, or frightnening=250mill maybe) and even RP ability (i.e. the way the "judged" nation "sells" us how he/she acquired the technology) have to be taken into account.
As for the measures to take, We think that it also be tailored to the case and not having a "precooked" punishment.
We feel this is a good idea and we add our support, even if we are not willing to join to such agency.
(OOC: we are not forgetting the auction!!)
Even Siri has good ideas from time to time.

I do understand Menel, despite what you may think. Trust me, I've watched your gravships go from being the only one out there, to being replicated all over the forums. Why do you think that I still use the laughable Star Wars tech base? Becuase I actually am considerate enough to respect someone else's ideas. But, at the same time, I fail to see how an RP'd ignore would be any different from a regular one. Bad RPers will not acknowledge either one, and they will continue to rip ideas off of everyone. Unless you plan to DEAT(right term?) a nation for the offense, there is nothing you or anyone can do about it. Especially since this is Free Form Role Play.

As for your personnal attack on me, I do believe that was un-called for. I challenge you to find a single unique idea in these forums that cannot be found anywhere else. Your idea of gravtech is by no means as unique and personal as you would like it. You were simple the first one here to implement it. Any kind of simple web search would reveal more than a dozen other established sources for gravtech. Props should go to the first, without a doubt. But it is most certainly hypocritical to accuse someone else of lacking originality when one has not exactly displayed anything to the contrary.

~Sketch, the player

All right, fair enough. Sorry about that.

~Siri

OOC: Sketch: When the day comes that you actually go to the effort of being creative with something instead of just pulling it out of either your ass or a TV show, and it's really cool, enough that everyone else wants it, and then really really bad RPers start making a mockery of it... come back to this thread, and you'll understand.

~Siri

OOC:

AFAIK, gravitics were used by I. Asimov in his Foundation series. There might be even older references.
So taking ideas from a book is OK, but out of a TV show is not?
And something "pulled out of your ass" is your very own, original crap. I might object about the "crap" part, but not about the "original". Unless "original" means "godmodding". Then I agree: "godmodding crap" is objectionable.
But I'd daresay that "original crap" is, even, desirable. There are very few *original* ideas. I'd like to see them, even if they are crappy. I might (gasp!) copy them.

Wazzu is not a nation to lightly join treaties. In the past two centuries, we have signed three.

But at the same time, Wazzu has long worried about the proliferation of weapons and weapon technology. This proliferation, along with the prominance of the world open arms market, has lead to instability. Instability hurts trade.

While Wazzu does not posess the arch-typical gravity technology, any gravity technology is a concern of ours. We believe strongly that nations that do not develop this technology on their own are not socially ready, are not politically stable enough to have it. Therefore, should a treaty be drawn up, Wazzu would strongly consider joining it. And should a summit be held, Wazzu would most certainly attend.

-Wazzu Ministry of Diplomacy

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OOC: I have no problem with nations gaining this or any other high technology, even month-old nations, as long as they make a serious attempt to RP it.

A serious attempt means a CO-RP (Character Oriented Role Play) to develop, steal, get 'under the table' help with, or otherwise aquire said technology.

It does NOT mean: "I research this, it will be done in X days/years" or "Welcome to my storefront" or "I started with it" (unless you have a REALLY REALLY good background story, of which I have seen 1-2 in the last 6 months).

If a nation does not meet those requirements, and it is RPing that it has gravtech, then it is a fair assumption that they were involved on the recieving end of proliferation of the technology. Like any modern nation getting (or potentially getting) nuclear weapons (see Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and others), there are potential reprisals from larger, more well-to-do states.

So I see this as a very good and very realistic RP situation. The only time people from it would need to ignore someone else is when they ignored this society first. In that case, it shouldn't bother them and they are free to RP with like-minded individuals.

EDIT: Note: The IAEA is a UN organization. I hope this one won't be...it would kind of limit it.

Note2: Nod? Don't you already have gravtech, lasers, plasma, cloaking, and other things found in Tiberiun Sun?

As for your personnal attack on me, I do believe that was un-called for. I challenge you to find a single unique idea in these forums that cannot be found anywhere else. Your idea of gravtech is by no means as unique and personal as you would like it. You were simple the first one here to implement it. Any kind of simple web search would reveal more than a dozen other established sources for gravtech. Props should go to the first, without a doubt. But it is most certainly hypocritical to accuse someone else of lacking originality when one has not exactly displayed anything to the contrary.

I'll admit it, pretty much all of my technology is based off some book, game or film, though rarly the latter because of insulting movie physics (http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/index.html). I mean, here are some examples:

Guass Weapons: Stainless Steal Rat novels plus various rail gun ideas, scaled down so I don't fire rounds at near light speed, which is stupid.

Space (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1482998#1482998) Technology: All but the next peice of tech is stolen from the game "Homeworld" for the PC. I think homeworld was pretty good with it's physics and space tactics, though I changed the "Max Speed" for "Max Acceleration" for sanities sake.

Drop Pods (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63527&highlight=) and Powered Armour: Based off the best sci-fi book I've ever read, "Starship Troopers" if you saw the film and prefered it over the book, I have a bad opinion of you from the start. Good physics and some great tech ideas. Very very limited amounts of it, checked out fine with a mod.

Hover Tanks: Saw it in a old game "War Inc.", oddly enough the game tried to simulate real R&D as you went along as well as logistics. When I say Hover Tank, I am talking about tank sized vehicles which fly about 50ft high at maxium, with exception of the Hippogrith which is more of a harrier like thing. They are highly vunerable and count towards my air force, so I don't have them in bulk. They cost a bomb too.

Scaffolding (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45303&highlight=) Station: Based off the scaffolding in "Homeworld", only I built mine to construct a Carrier capitol ship, which took alot of IC time, sped up with assistance from the Vortex Corperation. Now I use it as a contruction yard/station.

After that I'm pretty much taking the rest of my figures from American statistics and bits of information people will be nice enough to tell me. I still haven't figured a army out, but I have a rough idea of most things.


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Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
More information about Iuthia.... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41124&highlight=)
Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
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Whispering Voices would like to denote its support of its ally Menelmacar in this stance designed to crush the threat of irresponsible nations.

While Ravenspire does not employ Menelmacar-style gravitics, in favor of its own model, we can wholeheartedly agree about the necessity of restricting the proliferation of these devices.

Sakura Kitsuki
Minister of Big Words

Considering the popularity of this proposal, and the wide range of players who support this new initiative, I have decided to shift my stance on this issue. While I will continue to remain wary, I will support and agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth. This is a good idea, I just have some hesitation with the results of its eventual execution.

~Sketch, the player

[ I don't think I'll be signing this 'agreement' just to ensure Menelmacar's 'good name'. ]

While we have been researching the idea of gravitics for the past two decades [ooc: which I have... grr] and turned up little, we hope that this treaty will propel that research into that area.

Thus, we sign.

--President Felix Avinn, Cheif Executive of State

t=45303&highlight=]Scaffolding[/url] Station: Based off the scaffolding in "Homeworld", only I built mine to construct a Carrier capitol ship, which took alot of IC time, sped up with assistance from the Vortex Corperation.


Confirmed. And my nation is largely based on Homeworld tech, with the addition of Ground Control and Battletech ground forces (since Homeworld does not have any). And Homeworld nations still seem to be quite small in numbers :D:D:D

t=45303&highlight=]Scaffolding[/url] Station: Based off the scaffolding in "Homeworld", only I built mine to construct a Carrier capitol ship, which took alot of IC time, sped up with assistance from the Vortex Corperation.


Confirmed. And my nation is largely based on Homeworld tech, with the addition of Ground Control and Battletech ground forces (since Homeworld does not have any). And Homeworld nations still seem to be quite small in numbers :D:D:D

[ooc: hands off them Vagyr ships thousgh... they're mine :evil: ]

While our own counter-gravity equipment is very limited in its use at this time, we agree that there needs to be some authority to answer to in order to limit the ability of rogue states to acquire gravetic technology. Gravity weapons can be more devastating than nuclear weapons- just look what gravity and a large chunk of metal can do in an ortillery strike.

Menelmacar has our support on this iniative.

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~Tsume Dragonis
~Secretary of Foreign Affairs
~Immortal Shogunate of Reploid Productions

"An interesting proposal. We will consider signing such a treaty most carefully, as it is common sense that the technology to manipulate gravity cannot fall into the wrong hands."

-Bob Pratt, CEO

OOC: Hehe. Santa Barbara has gravitic technology! I have yet to really RP the use of it in anything-- most PCC scientists distrust and are wary of the tech, so so far it dwells in underground laboratories and archived secret-info files and the occasional experimental machine here or there. BUT.... I aquired it through trade with Whispering Voices, who aquired it from Menelmacar.

The Federation of Technocratic Republics pledges it's full support towards this initiative, for the control, overseement and regulation of AntiGrav technologies.
Although we belive that the key to the development of any nation is found under the embrace of technologies, we are aware that, in cases such as this one, scientifical powers must be strictly and carefully worked with.
If rouge nations, as the Lady named them, have an easy way to aquire this tipe of advance, we may be facing unnescesary problems, that could be avoided by the implementation of an international treaty such as this one.

And just who is to determine which are rogue states and which are not, I wonder...

While we do support such an idea, we really don't care, since we don't use gravitic stuff.

OOC:

Time for some minor hijacking.

I challenge you to find a single unique idea in these forums that cannot be found anywhere else.

MSMG batteries, Spacers, artificially spinning Venus, the Saturnian Dyson Ring, isomer bombs, a living shipyard in Jupiter's atmosphere, a tesla cable and atmospheric mining complex in orbit of Uranus, artificial humans made up entirely of nanites instead of biological cells, EOTED's magnetic impetus drives, etc.

The list is even longer for things that can be found elsewhere, but only in one other place and/or without the knowledge of the person who first used it here.

continuing a moot point

Good job, here, have a cookie.......

*cough* Dune, Farscape, high efficiency energy cells, any Dyson ring theory, Andromeda, neutron bombs *cough*

Not to say no one is capable of original thought. But chances are, if your posting it here, you've gotten your inspiration from elsewhere. Besides, the point was already made, so this discussion is moot. I shouldn't even had responded..............oh well. Please delete if deemed nessessary.

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<Diplomatic Corp>
{Encryption 3857}

Garrison II High Command is very intrested in stoping the poliferation and spread of these high tech powerful weapons to smaller weaker nations, as it'd create a large monopoly among nations like ourselves, large and powerful. We would put our full support in this alliance.

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Lady Taylor
Lady of Garrison II
House of David
Lady of York

Get it up to the U.N., get it regulated, and get the Security Council in. Once you do that, and there are RULES for where and when this can be used, I'll support the measure.

Not until.

Get it up to the U.N., get it regulated, and get the Security Council in. Once you do that, and there are RULES for where and when this can be used, I'll support the measure.

Not until.

OOC: I hate to rain on your parade, but NS UN doesn't have a security council.

Get it up to the U.N., get it regulated, and get the Security Council in. Once you do that, and there are RULES for where and when this can be used, I'll support the measure.

Not until.
[ Not to mention that most people don't listen to the UN anyway. :? --Felix]

Hm, I like it. DNS will support this agency if created.

But... This cannot be an agency that denies the technologies of space-tech to younger nations just because they are young. If such regulations were in affect when we were but a wee little thing... DNS would most likely have never become the space power that it is.

The NGEN Corporation fully supports the creation of this agency, hell, we'll even help fund this agency if we are allowed to purchase one of your fine Capital Gravships.

Morgoth_Bauglir is also surprised a the lack of "OMG SIRI AND MELKOR ARE AGREEING" posts in that particular thread

*ahem*

OMG NOESZ0R SI|2I AN|) /\/\3Lk0r ARR AGR33I/\/6!!!!zor!!!one!!shiftone!!!!

Otherwise, we're game.

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Paperpusher Queen
Federated Segments of Scolopendra

As a nation who worked hard alongside others to develop our own version of gravtech, we give your idea the big 'thumbs up'.

Bureau of Strategic Development.

>>>Transmission to:Whom It May Concern <<<
||From: Kaenian Central Command, WorldDisc||
||Re:IGTA Formation ||

I offer my full support to the formation and regulation of this industry.


Citizen Caelistis
First Citizen, USSK
Kommandant, DEHC Military

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Somewhere in a lab, a gravatic test unit bumps into a wall.

Menel, go ahead.

As a nation who worked hard alongside others to develop our own version of gravtech, we give your idea the big 'thumbs up'.

Bureau of Strategic Development.

Yea, I was involved in that and have foresworn the active use of AntiGrav tech in this realm (which allows the use by a soon-to-be established 'colony' with Mega Tau far, far away).

*sigh* I hope I wont be in the catagory of... "Rogue State" for developing that sort of technology... not to mention other stuff I've come up with.

*shrugs* still... more good can come of this than bad... I agree with this proposal.

If this agency becomes a reality we will have to declare that Tarrican has in its possession the designs for a variety of fully-mature "gravship" vessels. To produce these, however, would elevate us to a league in which we have no desire to compete and in which we would soon fall behind because we... acquired... the technology wholesale and hence do not understand its theory as well as others. Hence our equipment would soon be out of date in comparison to the gravships of other nations.

Instead we have decided to integrate unique grav-tech enhancements into conventional systems which give us paradigmic enhancements to our capability without moving into an area of technology we are unable to understand.

OOC In short... I could use the tech, but its been done and I don't want to be viewed as able to face off against the big hitters like Melkor. Plus its a bit cheesey because I got did get it wholesale rather than work for it.
You wont see grav-ships from me... but you might see instances of grav-tech used in interesting (and unique) ways to enhance my forces.