NationStates Jolt Archive

Edit: January 6, 2004
The previous endeavor, the advanced body armor project, has been completed without the help of the other nations involved. Now, this thread will be the site for several new projects, the first of which will be a new type of warship that will be able to destroy and dominate on the high seas.

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/heflin/bullet_moving.gif

This is our desired result 8)

For heat resistance, and to prevent fire the following material is an option put out by Schermo Technologies:

Kermal®
Kermel® is a polyamide-imide fibre, classified in the aramid family. It is naturally non-flammable. Kermel® fibre provides excellent thermal insulation, as well as good mechanical resistance and resistance to chemicals. The almost circular cross-section, as well as its low modulus, makes it comfortable and very pleasant to the touch.

The main problem will be not really be weight vs effectiveness; that can be handled through careful tailoring of the materials. THe real problem is achieving comfort levels that will be satisfactory and allow the individual soldier to perform in harsh terrain and conditions.

Now, Agrigento has presented us with something called kermel as a solution for insulation. We also have Silk-lite, an insulation material that has worked most effectively; a layer of gel sandwiched btwn polyester fibers, and the gel regulates and monitors the body temperature. Short of plugging in an actual computer, it is quite advanced, and worked well. However, Silk-lite may be too much to use in the body armor; it may not work when sandwiched under denser materials and is less effective in colder climes or against biological-chemical warfare conditions.

As a result, we are modifying Silk-lite and another gel, Osuku, developed by Vien Ergonomix for its insulation and projectile stopping properties.

We will also develop a new type of battle helmet, probably using the German style format in use by many countries of the world today, most notably NATO.

Acting upon the invitation of East Islandia, the Marimaian government has directed Shin Fai Armaments Systems to participate and assist with this research; Marimaia's largest non-governmental research and development department is at your disposal.

Vien Ergonomix has put forth the idea of using ceramide plates for the armor, particularly platinum ceramide, which is being used in another project, one which builds artillery pieces.

Vien Ergonomix has put forth the idea of using ceramide plates for the armor, particularly platinum ceramide, which is being used in another project, one which builds artillery pieces.

Where on the armour would these plates be used? We were thinking chest and back with forearm and lower leg plates, possibly upper-leg protection depending on how heavy the thing would get. How light is platinum ceramide anyway?

Not sure.. i have to ask my fellow artillery designers about this, but platinum ceramide may or may not be adaptable to body armor; its like sticking tank armor on bulletproof vests.

But basically, we're probably going to use spider silk; a Canadian company stuck the spidersilk gene onto the genomes of a goat instead of their goatmilk gene, which allowed them to make the spidersilk.

Also, we're probably going to weave carbon fiber with spider silk and wrap them around Kevlar, Kermel, and some other stuff... but once again, the insulation is the biggest problem.

these plates would probably be put onto the vest portion, and possibly used to plate the helmet. ANy suggestions on more materials?

Ceramide may be scrapped for this project. Instead, we have managed to weave spidersilk into a tight, formfitting garment using electrospinning (where charged solutions are sprayed onto a mold) and we have increased its strength by adding layers of weaved spidersilk.

the electrospun spidersilk wil be used as the base layer. While it has excellent protection, we're not sure that it is good insulation and good breathability.

As a result, we may consider using Silk-lite instead on the base layer.

Also, Ryogo Body Systems, a subsidiary of Vien Ergonomix has put forth Type A443, a lightweight material that, when hit with blows from knives, fists, legs, knees, and bullet impacts, can harden automatically and absorb the impact and deflect the bullet. However, A443 is not a good insulator, and must be lined with Osuku gel, to have moderate to high breathability. Also, Osuku can act as a last ditch layer to stop bullets.

So the three compeititors for a base layer or something light and flexible to be worn under the flakvest are
Silk lite
Osuku lined spidersilk
Osuku lined A443 material

http://www.lbainternational.com/images/ft6.jpg


Size To fit head size Typical weights(g)
F5/F6

Medium 54-59cm 1010 1065(PASGT)

Large 57-63cm 1085


based on a design by LBA International with a few modifications, Rugola Individual Combatant Systems of Rugola Archipelago has developed this helmet, designated the Type 4000-HD.

The helmet can be made from either Tetramid, with either carbon fiber or Teijin Twazon (a Japanese material) along with a thin lining of Silk-lite or Osuku insulating gel, a specially developed, high strength, lightweight ceramic composite lined with tough polymer, a ceramic composite shell with carbon fiber lining, or a Kevlar layout with a lining of boron filaments.

in all cases, Osuku gel will be used.

ALso, we are considering developing a spidersilk outer liner that has pockets for insertable composite impact panels and camoflage aids.

Another layout being considered:

http://www.lbainternational.com/images/paratroop.jpg



Rugola Individual Combatant Systems

Here are the compeititors for the layout of the basic vest:

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Rugola Individual Combatant Systems

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A high strength vest that has multiple features, including ballistic inserts, manueverability, groin guards, and collar, this suit is currently in use wit several branches of local and National Special Response Groups.

Can be adapted to military use.
Vien Ergonomix

http://www.lbainternational.com/images/300main.jpg

this layout has been put forth by Lotus Systems International (here modeled by a rather disgruntled white guy :lol: ). May be modified, and a removable collar, extended shoulder pads, and ballistic inserts are all standard features.

Lotus Systems International

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/isragor/1.jpg

produced by S1 Systems Dynamix, this vest has not been put into service but is being considered for use with the Islandian Police Special Response Group. WIth ballistic inserts, multiple pockets, and a layer of densely woven spidersilk ringing vital areas, this vest has undergone preliminary tests and has been shown to have excellent strength to weight ratio.

These are some of the layouts put forth by EI companies. While S1 Dynamix violated rules in the fact that they put forth an experimental layout with experimental features, we have decided to let that slide and move on to the next round. For the most part however, we will overlook their material features and try to concentrate on the strengths of their design.

It must be resistant to all forms of attack, including blades to bullets.

http://www.lbainternational.com/images/vest.jpg

Scudo SpA. of Agrigento offers this helmet design:

http://www.lbainternational.com/images/PASGT.jpg

Slightly off topic but...


Mark III Technologies would like very much to join your group. We have had great sucess in areas such as reinforced fibre development and energy dispersment equipment (i,e it absorbs all the energy of the bullet, rather than taking the impact-if you understand)
We feel we would be a good compnenet in your resaerch and Development team.
Please consider this.
Thank you.

Seeing also that no one subjected designs for a modified, modular buoyant flakvest, Rugola Individual Combatant SYstems has offered the following vest:

http://www.lbainternational.com/images/400main.jpg


Vien Ergonomix put forth this swimmer suit:

http://www.lbainternational.com/images/400swimmer.jpg


http://www.pointblankarmor.com/military/drysuit.jpg

Ryogo Body Systems' Combat Swimmer Suit, currently being developed for Islandian Marine Forces.

Slightly off topic but...


Mark III Technologies would like very much to join your group. We have had great sucess in areas such as reinforced fibre development and energy dispersment equipment (i,e it absorbs all the energy of the bullet, rather than taking the impact-if you understand)
We feel we would be a good compnenet in your resaerch and Development team.
Please consider this.
Thank you.

Consider yourself in. But first, may i ask, are u willing to let more of your companies in? We are only lingering on armor and ballistic protection for a few more days (or weeks) and we will soon move on to create digitised systems (talk to Agrigento about this), then mayb new tech systems (helmet mounted sights, etc).

So this really is a long term endeavor. Otherwise, if you're willing and you want to be a part of the long term research also, then thats fine with us. But we want to know first tho.. so yea.

Shin Fai Armaments Concern (formerly known as Shin Fai Armaments Systems) offers these designs:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/422380/armour.JPG

the design includes multiple pockets, as well as detachable collar, throat and over-the-shoulder protection, plus a detachable groin protector.

They also present this helmet design:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/422380/helmet1.JPG

OC-23 IR-NV Hybrid Goggles and Rifle scopes, designed by Bordo Principale Technologies and already equipped as the standard NV loadout for all Agrigento Armed Forces - even adapted for vehicle and aircraft roles as well - will be the first part of our Land Warrior system.

The System is made by combining Infared illuminators with a high resolution 4th generation intensifier tube, providing one of the brightest and sharpest images available. Combine this with all glass optics specially coated to absorb light and you have an incredible combat aid.

http://www.spy-equipment.co.uk/Night_Vision/NightVisionAnalysis.gif

Now, we will select the layout design.

just one problem
How do we vote FAIRLY?

Shit.. alrite fine, i guess we'll do it this way.

Everyone make your vests with any composite materials you choose, and then we'll engage in ballistic tests and see who wins and whut works and wut doesnt.

just a few materials you can choose from (add to the list if you want):
Osuku gel
Spidersilk
Kevlar
Carbon fiber
boron
kermel
silk-lite
A443
ceramides?

good luck... turn in all for ballistic testing in a few weeks.

Slightly off topic but...


Mark III Technologies would like very much to join your group. We have had great sucess in areas such as reinforced fibre development and energy dispersment equipment (i,e it absorbs all the energy of the bullet, rather than taking the impact-if you understand)
We feel we would be a good compnenet in your resaerch and Development team.
Please consider this.
Thank you.

Consider yourself in. But first, may i ask, are u willing to let more of your companies in? We are only lingering on armor and ballistic protection for a few more days (or weeks) and we will soon move on to create digitised systems (talk to Agrigento about this), then mayb new tech systems (helmet mounted sights, etc).

So this really is a long term endeavor. Otherwise, if you're willing and you want to be a part of the long term research also, then thats fine with us. But we want to know first tho.. so yea.

Mark III Technologies (MT3), are honoured at being accepted into your organisation, and hope this will be a long and productive endevour.
However, there will be no need to add additional companies, as MT3 cover most regions of technology and enhancement.
If a region is found where we do not have research, we would be more than happy to extend our studies to cover it.
Once again, we thank you.

Shit.. alrite fine, i guess we'll do it this way.

Everyone make your vests with any composite materials you choose, and then we'll engage in ballistic tests and see who wins and whut works and wut doesnt.

just a few materials you can choose from (add to the list if you want):
Osuku gel
Spidersilk
Kevlar
Carbon fiber
boron
kermel
silk-lite
A443
ceramides?

good luck... turn in all for ballistic testing in a few weeks.#

Hmmmm, I wonder, Mark III Technologies has developed fibres of its own to withstand high pressure and basicaly be the toughest arround, but remaining lightweight.

Carbon Silk X3-The first of our projects, compiled molceule by molecule to create the perfect evironment for an energy transfer.
The kinetic energy from an incoming bullet can be transfered into other types of energy, reducing the impact of the bulet severly.
Used by the Assault teams of Pablicosta untill 1994.

Lucite O2-The preliminary lining for the energy hole in Pablicosta. Basicaly we dug a great big mother of a whole through the crust, and harnessed geothermal energy from the flowing lava beneath us. However, to keep the whole open, and to stop it throwing out milions of gallons of molten lave everyday, we developed LO2. It keeps a 2 and a half mile whole in the earth open, what more do you want?

Spun Kevlar II-Kevlar is taken and reversed, seperated into parts, which are then individualy spun at speeds of 500,000 Revolutions Per Minute.
The fibres that did not break down were put into a second spinner, all togethor, and forged togethor creating Spun Kevlar at level II. The solid product is then melted under extreme temperatures, and poured into a mould, were it sets in arround 0.25 seconds.

All of the above are available to be tested immediatly in vest form.
We hope we are of help.

The entries from EI are all ready for ballistic testing.
Knives, guns, penetration rounds, and such are being shipped to the Individual Combat Test Center in EI (unless someone wants to do it somewhere else).

We would have suggested our testing facility Deep Heat, but sure we can get to your site, three vests are being airdropped, along with a single T-90 tank and crew, also armed with a large array of weapons including shock sticks, M-17's and Knives.

We will drop just outsude the nearest town to the facility, so please warn the citizens that their will be military movement. Thank you.

http://www.angelfire.com/ill/agvamps/Luposolo.bmp

we can also test at your site if you wish, Pablicosta.
But in any case, testing will commence immediately at our facility.

we can also test at your site if you wish, Pablicosta.
But in any case, testing will commence immediately at our facility.

No no, we feel very sure that tests will be carried out at the same standards at both facilities.

this is wuts on the agenda so far; feel free to add on.

Pistol testing
Knife testing (thrown, stabbing)
testing with high powered sniper rifles
explosive testing
comfort testing
weatherproofness
fire and heat testing

looks fine to me :lol: :lol:

alrite... so should we make up our own results?

hello? Any1 there? Any ideas?

Being that no one has posted in this thread, all tests have been declared successful after days of testing and we are looking for a way to integrate all this materials into lightweight battle armor.

When i say days of testing, i mean that we haul out our troops and put them on bitch duty and make them wear the vests through the jungle, snow, through desert, mountain, city- then we take them off, stick them onto testing mannequins, and fire at them.
We also duplicate each vest (courtesy of our materials department, to the last fiber) and conduct heat testing, blunt trauma, and wacking it really hard. We also dunk them in water, throw them near sources of heat-basically we abuse the hell out of them.

And hey, the designs worked. Need i say more?

:D

alrite... on to the next thing...
um.. wut shoudl the next thing be anyway?

well, camelbacks will be integrated into the Lupo Solo, or a similar water bladder system. more durable of course. Won't react too well to bullets though... :idea:

O yes, that reminds me; i had wanted to do something about food and food packaging.

The East Islandian military uses prepackaged meals along the lines of MREs used by the US armed forces, but our packaging is slightly different; it is in several small blue bags, vacuum sealed and bulletproof, made of a dense carbon fiber weave and metallic thread. Cooking them is a big problem, as many times, our troops simply eat the rations right out of the bag, even in times when it tastes better when cooked. So how would we cook the food?

O and AG, we can bulletproof ur Camelbaks with a super light Spidersilk weave that is extremely cheap to produce.

Defense Initiative Three: The Creation of a super-warship

"We're pulling out all the stops on this one; we need a highly survivable ship, with immense firepower and excellent defense, but at the same time we also need a solid, well developed craft that will be able to be deployed with a minimum of maintenance in the most extreme of climes."
-Admiral Kye Ku-soong, Head of Acquisitions and Testing Department, Islandian Forces Command.

*******
For now, most development will be talked about on the thread, except for some little parts and details on the more secretive parts of our design.

****
Design and Concept Facility 1
North Current Naval Technologies
Undisclosed location twelve km outside Hu-kasa, capital of Islandia

A small, swift catamaran, made its way over the shimmering tropical sea, cutting through the waves wiht a minimum of effort before pulling up at the dock. After it was secured, twenty well dressed people stepped off and were quickly rushed into the nearby buildings by heavily armed and armored Marines. Afterwards, the catamaran was quickly let up, and sailed inside one of several secret caverns that served as temporary storage areas.
Several km behind it, a larger, heavier twin-hull freighter sailed towards another docking area, this time in a protected bay ringed by SAM emplacements, cruise missile batteries, and bombproof Spidersteel bunkers. A cargo door opened in the middle section of the catamaran, and the precious cargo was quickly loaded into crates and brought inside.

Overhead, J37 fighters patrolled, while several more catamarans of the Second Flag Reserve Corps roamed the crystal clear, blue-green tropical water. The sea was sufficiently shallow and clear enough that, by day, it was almost impossible to get in via submarine or airdrop.

The engineers, once inside the safety of the triple reinforced Titanium-X Alloy beams and interwoven Spidersteel strands, breathed a sigh of relief before jumping to work.
*************

Tests are being conducted on multi-laminate armor, similar to the type found ont he Japanese Type 90 tank, as backup armor plating.

It had been determined that the hull will be made of spidersteel, basically the material spiders use to make webs.
Now, before anyone goes off and claims this or disputes this, let me remind them that nearly all my ballistic protection suits and body armor, reinforced bunker plating, and vehicles-all these use spidersteel.

And it is trademarked, so no one is allowed to use it wihtout my permission. NO ONE, and that goes for YOU, BONSTOCK ESPECIALLY!

Besides, you still have to extract it via an efficient, easy method that allows for mass production.

Ok back to the thread.

Hudecia is a small nation so our weapons program wil be (understandably) smaller than yours. However, we would like to propose the Avro Arrow as a super-fighter for us. I have a military alliance with another nation to provide me with these fighters.

A quick preview - can travel at Mach 3.5 easy, large internal missile bay (can hold a nuke if needed), better maneuverability than the F-18s, and low cost of maintenance.

As for super-warships, I can do some research/testing of new detection devices.

Imagine firing hundreds of armor piercing rounds at a large bulkhead of spidersteel.

Not working very well. The armor piercing stuff that is.