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Official CENNA Charter Thread

Ma-tek
21-09-2003, 21:02
The Commonwealth of the Eternal Noldorin-Nenyan Alliance

The Charter of the Commonwealth



"Oira, Tirissa, Túra." (Eternal, Vigilant, Victorious.) ~MIDF motto

"Those who fear the darkness, have no idea what the light can do."
~Lady Sirithil nos Fëanor, LM 31857

"Watchers on the walls of Paradise." ~ IDF motto

"A single man or woman can only walk one path at once; after all, though imagination is infinite, the number of feet one can possess is not." ~Semir-randil, BD 37



Article 1: The Declaration


We, the leaders of the peoples of the Commonwealth of the Eternal Noldorin-Nenyan Alliance (CENNA), do declare to uphold and follow the ideals and regulations detailed herein wherever we are called upon to represent the Commonwealth, and to make secure the lives of our citizens, and the citizens of other, less fortunate states and nations - whether by military action, or by humanitarian aid, or by economic aid.

We, the leaders of the free peoples of the Commonwealth of the Eternal Noldorin-Nenyan Alliance (CENNA), do solemnly swear to keep to this high and noble cause for as long as our nation does remain a Member State of the Commonwealth of the Eternal Noldorin-Nenyan Alliance (CENNA), before our flag, and before our respective Peoples.



Article 2: Regulation


Section 2.1: The Security Council and the Chancellors

2.1.1. The Security Council shall meet reguarly, on the 1st of every month, or whenever a Member State calls for a decision on a crisis/situation.

2.1.2. The Security Council shall have no internal powers over the nations of the Commonwealth, excepting situations wherein amoral actions running counter to the spirit of this document are brought before the Council and passed with an ultra-majority vote of above 90% - requiring a Secondment and Thirdment of motion for mandatory vote OR joint decision by the Chancellors.

2.1.3. The Security Council members will be appointed by a method decided upon by the government of each respective government (two representatives each, with each representative getting two votes, except the Chancellors, who get six shared votes plus veto power on any motion excepting those wherein this document provides provision against said veto power).

2.1.4. The Security Council shall have the following powers:
2.1.4.a. The power of sanctions against member states who contravene the letter OR the spirit of this document (to be decided by an Emergency Summit meeting of the Council and/or the Chancellors) (requires supermajority vote of 75%);
2.1.4.b. The power and right to take economic and/or military action against a member Nation which takes military action against a non-member state without good cause (to be decided by an Emergency Summit meeting of the Council) (requires minor-supermajority vote of 65%)
2.1.4.c. To call for action by CENNA as a unified entity in special circumstances warranting the attention of the entire Commonwealth, or several members thereof. This is included, but not limited to: economic action (including sanctions), military activity, and diplomatic intervention. (Requires clear majority.)
2.1.4.d. To alter the trade benefits outlined in Section 3. (Requires supermajority vote of 75%, Secondment and Thirdment of motion to provide mandatory vote requirement).
2.1.4.e. To alter the powers outlined herein with a majority vote AND the positive votes of the Chancellors.
2.1.4.f. To call for a Commonwealth-wide referendum by a majority vote (ANY majority vote) on any issue. The vote to have the referendum becomes mandatory if at least ten percent of the Council 'seconds' the call.

2.1.5. There shall be no more and no less than two Chancellors. The Chancellors shall be, for the first twenty years of the existance of the Commonwealth, High Lord Commodore (CINCN, CINCAIR IDF; CINCAIR SATO) Semir-randil and Elentari (CINCS SATO; CINCMIDF) Sirithil nos Feanor. The Chancellors shall eternally be two members of the leading governments of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar and the Empire of The Eternal Dawn, one from each, with no exceptions. No amendmants may be made to this clause.

2.1.6. The Chancellors will have the following powers;
2.1.6.a. The power of veto over any accepted motion which does not have at least 70% backing.
2.1.6.b. Any powers or rights prescribed elsewhere in this document.
2.1.6.c. Opens meetings of the Security Council (alternately).



Article 3: Military Regulation


Section 3.1: Regulars

3.1.1. There will be no usage of WMD's in any way, shape, or form, excepting special defensive nanotech use, by any member state of the Commonwealth. Excludes plasma-based or 'conventional' kinetic weapons.

3.1.2. There will be no intentional attacks on civilian populations by any member state of the Commonwealth, except in extenuating circumstances, such as 'human shield' situations.

3.1.3. This document expressly forbids any eventual combining of the armed forces (except normal 'allied co-ordination') of the Commonwealth at any point in the future.


Section 3.2: Intelligence sharing/special services

3.2.1. All intelligence with regards to the security of the Commonwealth must be shared on demand, or as soon as possible if it has significant impact.

3.2.2. Warning must be given of special services operations to Commonwealth allies in the event of war.


Section 3.3: Orbital Strikes

3.3.1. Orbital strikes are prohibited under the Charter, excepting situations where all other possibilities are exhausted, and/or military projections (to be presented to the Council in an Emergency Session) strongly suggest lower civilian casualties where such action is taken.

3.3.2. Defensive orbital strikes are not prohibited.

3.3.3. Illegal orbital strikes will result in the confiscation and/or destruction of all orbital assets possessed by the member state enacting said orbital strikes, to be decided by a majority vote of the Council. The Chancellors may not veto any majority vote in this situation, excepting situations wherein said veto vote is followed by a Secondment and Thirdment by two member states that are strictly not involved in the situation leading to said illegal orbital strikes.



Article 4: Political Regulation


Section 4.1: Heads of State

4.1.1. No head of state may claim to be a spokesperson for the Commonwealth. With each issue, a spokesperson will be allocated by the Council, from the Council, by merit. This clause does not apply to the Two Speakers.


Section 4.2: Announcements

4.2.1. No government, entity, nation, or state that has membership of the Commonwealth may make any announcements regarding the Commonwealth without first seeking Council approval.


Section 4.3: Internal Politics

4.3.1. The Commonwealth Charter expressly forbids interaction between the Council and any political parties inside any member state. Any such action will be considered corrupt, and will result in the ejection from the Council of the appropriate member. No member is allowed to be the head of, or have allegiance to, any political party in any political entity inside the Commonwealth.

4.3.2. The Council may not interfere in member state politics unless said interferance adheres to any other Article, Section, or Clause of this document.



Article 5: Trade


Section 5.1: Advantages

5.1.1. Every member state must maintain at least a 20% trade ratio with other Commonwealth nations, in order to maintain flexibilty.

5.1.2. Said trade ratio may be maintained with any member states, but at least 2% of the 20% must be maintained with Menelmacar andEOTED, individually.


Section 5.2: Disadvantages

5.2.1. Any nation breaching the trade regulations of the Commonwealth will face a 50% fine of the percentage of trade that Commonwealth nations lost as a result of the breach of rules.



Article 6: The Commonwealth And Other Alliances/Organisations


Section 6.1: Conflicts of Interest

6.1.1. A Conflict of Interest is defined as any instance in which a member state is bound by a policy either by another organization or its own government, which requires it to act in a fashion non-compliant with either the Charter or with stated CENNA policy.

6.1.2. In the event of a Conflict of Interest between this organisation and another organisation that any member state was an existing member of BEFORE the signing of this document may activate Clause 6.1.3 of this document to avoid said conflict of interest. This includes alliances, trade pacts, and similar diplomatic documents.

6.1.3. Any member state that considers itself in a CoI situation may petition the Council for a 'Suspension of Membership' vote. This will not prevent said member state from acting inside the Commonwealth in trade circles, but will prevent said member state from voting at the Council for the decided amount of time.

6.1.4. If a member state does not take appropriate action to prevent a breach of this section, then the Commonwealth may move to punish the nation in a fitting manner (that does not damage the civilian population).


Section 6.2: Alliances

6.2.1. Any alliance/alignment between the Commonwealth and any other organisation is strictly prohibited excepting on a strictly temporary basis. This document does not prohibit the alignment of member states with other alliances/organisations, wherever that does not cause a CoI with this document, so long as said alignment is pre-existing before the signing of the Charter by said member state.

6.2.2. If any CoI is uncovered at the admission of a member state by that member state, they must bring said CoI before the Council immediatley, with no exceptions. Failure to do so will result in a denial of application, or, if the situation applies, ejection from the Commonwealth with zero tolerance. Re-admittance will then be prohibited for six years. This clause does not apply to Menelmacar or EOTED, who are considered permanent and founding eternal members, in line with the spirit of this document.

6.2.3. Nation-to-nation external alliances are not prohibited by this document in any way, shape, or form.



Article 7: Application For Submission to the Commonwealth


Section 7.1: Application Rules

7.1.1. Any nation under any circumstances may submit application to become a Commonwealth member, and, if accepted, may not renege on said submission for a period of six years.

7.1.2.a. Any potential member must submit a detailed history of actions and/or internal governmental arrangements.

7.1.2.b. Said submission must follow the prescribed system to be decided by the First Security Council of the Commonwealth, at the first meeting. (To Be Ammended Upon Decision)

7.1.3. No prospective member may join the Commonwealth without joint consent by the Empire of The Eternal Dawn and Menelmacar.

7.1.4. Any prospective member must uphold the Charter, and agree to uphold the Charter, no matter the situations produced or problems incurred via said upholding of the Charter.

7.1.5. Any prospective member must agree to submit to decisions made by the Commonwealth.

7.1.6. Any prospective member must submit a referendum to their population upon acceptance of application. Any prospective member that receives a 'No' decision to said referendum will be denied access to the Commonwealth.


Section 7.2: Application Decisions

7.2.1. Any application must undergo due consideration by a Security Council meeting, and/or by a duly formed Commission to decide the merit of the said application.

7.2.2. If the Council deigns to form a Commission to decide the merit of the application, the Council is not bound by the Commission's findings with regards to the application, but must give due consideration to said findings in at least a one hour sitting and presentation of evidence by the Chairman of said Commission.



Article 8: Enforcement


Section 8.1: Procedures and Penalties

8.1.1. Any member state not following the letter or the spirit of this document (as determined by the two Eternal Member States, being First Signatories and Draft Members) will face one of several possible measures, depending on severity of breach (as determined by vote of the Council, excluding the nation in question);
8.1.1.a. Immediate and unequivocal retraction of the action in question, if possible.
8.1.1.b. A 'state fine', to be determined by vote of the Council.
8.1.1.c. Expulsion.

8.1.2. The procedure for expulsion shall be as follows;
8.1.2.a. In order for expulsion to occur, both Chancellors and one other member of the Council must be in agreement.
8.1.2.b. At least 60% of the Council must vote for expulsion.
8.1.2.c. If a 'Yea' decision is reached, the Council will then vote on an 'exclusion period', disqualifying the expelled member for a certain period of time. (Presuming no conflict with another, preceding portion of this document.)

8.1.3. Neither Menelmacar nor EOTED may be expelled from the Commonwealth.


Article 9: Closing Declaration


With the solemn and humble approval of the Peoples of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar and the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, we do declare the Commonwealth of the Eternal Noldorin-Nenyan Alliance Charter to be appropriately read, measured, and weighed.

With all in balance, we,

the Elentári Sirithil nos Fëanor of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar

and

the Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II of the Nenyan Empire of the Eternal Dawn

submit our signature.

May the course of the Commonwealth be sailed well, and our paths remain forever true.



Article 10: Procedure for Amendments


Section 10.1: Basic Procedure

10.1.1. Amendments must be passed by the prescribed method inside the appropriate Article, Section, or clause of this document.

10.1.2. If no provision is made for amemdments, but amendment is not strictly prohibited, then refer to Section 10.2.

10.1.3. All amendments are to be added to Article 11, and the original document is to be maintained in it's identical original state excepting Article 11.

10.1.4. No amendment may breach the spirit of the Charter, with the 'spirit of the Charter' to be decided by the Chancellors when and whenever said amendment is passed. The decision to agree the amendment or the nullification of proposed amendment by the Chancellors may only be taken once the amendment is first passed by the Council, under the regulations prescribed inside the relevant Article, Section, or Clause - or in Section 10.2 - of this document.

10.1.5. Upon passing of any amendment referring to general populations inside any member state, or all member states, referendums must be held inside that/those/all state(s) before final addition of the Amemdment to Article 11.


Section 10.2: Unprescribed Procedure To Be Followed For Non-Specific Amendment Procedure Inside Certain Articles, Sections, or Clauses of This Document

10.2.1. If there is no amendment procedure prescribed inside the relevant Article, Section, or Clause, and amendment is not strictly forbidden, then the following procedure must be taken. In such an event, the amendment is to be passed by an ultra-majority vote of 90%, within the groundrules prescribed in Clause 10.1.4. Addition of the amendment will follow the ruling in Clause 10.1.3 (and 10.1.5 if required).



Article 11: Amendments

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Ma-tek
21-09-2003, 21:06
[OOC: The CENNA Board, in all it's glory, may be found here:

http://s2.invisionfree.com/CENNA/index.php? ]
21-09-2003, 21:11
i nukX0r aLL 0f j00, b00m, i r teh w1nn3r! :twisted:
Thelas
21-09-2003, 21:26
OOC: as soon as I find out what happens to Theallas and my government (and for how long I am a puppet of Menelmacar!) I will consider joining.

Menelmacar when youread this POST HERE: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1604999#1604999 !!!
21-09-2003, 21:31
Tag

(need to read charter, write application, debate with allies, and then some :? )
Menelmacar
22-09-2003, 21:31
In a surprise turn of events, Whispering Voices has become the first nation to officially apply for membership to CENNA. While surprised, Chancellor Semir-randil and I have decided to accept the application, in hopes of improved relations and peace between our nations. Thusly it is our pleasure to welcome the nation of Whispering Voices to the Commonwealth.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/sirithil/sirithilnosfeanor.gifLady Sirithil nos Fëanor
Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
"If it is to be war between us, it shall be war to the knife and the knife to the hilt."
~Foreign Minister Duke Paolio, The Outlands
We Love the Iraqi Information Minister (http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com)
Clicky-clicky!
22-09-2003, 21:34
<Press statement from High Councillor Lucy Myers>

"It is the pleasure of the Dominion of Whispering Voices to accept the welcome of the glorious Commonwealth's leaders to the Commonwealth itself. We hope that this will usher in a new era of friendly relations between countries, both on a political and a personal level."
Ma-tek
23-09-2003, 00:13
The Empire of The Eternal Dawn welcomes Whispering Voices into the Commonwealth with open arms, and expresses its pleasure at this signal of a new era of peaceful co-operation between our great nations.

~ Chancellor Semir-randil (High Lord of Ma-tek, EOTED representative to CENNA)
imported_Diablo_NL
28-09-2003, 16:33
ooc: Technically. Wasn't I the first member?
Ma-tek
28-09-2003, 17:02
ooc: Technically. Wasn't I the first member?

Well, I'd suggest that Diablo_NL was accepted prior to the actual signing of the Charter, and thus, as Sirithil said (with key words highlighted in bold type):

In a surprise turn of events, Whispering Voices has become the first nation to officially apply for membership to CENNA...

Thusly, Diablo_NL was the first accepted member - but as the Charter was yet to be signed by EOTED/Menelmacar, Diablo_NL did not 'officially apply'. Make sense?]
Ruhr
28-09-2003, 17:05
Well, I am debating joining.

This is just a *Tag* post.
Ruhr
28-09-2003, 19:47
Yep. Where do I submit an application?
Ruhr
28-09-2003, 20:50
Ok, I submitted an application.
imported_Sentient Peoples
28-09-2003, 22:56
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Melkor Unchained
28-09-2003, 23:01
"Can I join? AHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHA!

Seriously. Anyone who takes it upon themselves to apply for this poorly conceived amalgamation of sycophants deserves all the scorn we can muster. It sickens me to see more and more people get on their knees to plant a wet french kiss on EOTED's overstretched anus. Siri's too."

--Jay Reaven
28-09-2003, 23:05
Contragulations to all parties.

While we respect the positions and commitments of all the member nations, we feel we must express our concern for the further empowerment of an Elven-dominated hegemonic force. We are certainly pleased that the member states have proven to be less dangerous than we had previously estimated, in particular the inscrutable Lady Sirithil, we must confess this union causes us no small concern.

Respectfully,
Damodrea the Inductor
High Commandante
Lavenrunz
28-09-2003, 23:06
The Empire of Lavenrunz applies to join CENNA.

- Aurora von Konigsmark, Foreign Minister
Ma-tek
28-09-2003, 23:07
"Can I join? AHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHA!

Seriously. Anyone who takes it upon themselves to apply for this poorly conceived amalgamation of sycophants deserves all the scorn we can muster. It sickens me to see more and more people get on their knees to plant a wet french kiss on EOTED's overstretched anus. Siri's too."

--Jay Reaven

Ah, Mr. Reaven. I see your master no longer attempts to cross wits with me; a disappointment. At least Lord Morgoth had some ability to formulate clever stroke, parry, and riposte; you, I fear, do not.

Perhaps, I suggest, Mr. Reaven is quite jealous; clearly, he desires to feel the press of warm lips against...

Well, I'm sure you comprehend. And truly, I do not desire to be as vulgar as my barbarous friends from the Imperium.

Really, Mr. Reaven. Surely you can do better, hmm?

~ Chancellor Semir-randil
Melkor Unchained
28-09-2003, 23:13
"Can I join? AHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHA!

Seriously. Anyone who takes it upon themselves to apply for this poorly conceived amalgamation of sycophants deserves all the scorn we can muster. It sickens me to see more and more people get on their knees to plant a wet french kiss on EOTED's overstretched anus. Siri's too."

--Jay Reaven

Ah, Mr. Reaven. I see your master no longer attempts to cross wits with me; a disappointment. At least Lord Morgoth had some ability to formulate clever stroke, parry, and riposte; you, I fear, do not.

Perhaps, I suggest, Mr. Reaven is quite jealous; clearly, he desires to feel the press of warm lips against...

Well, I'm sure you comprehend. And truly, I do not desire to be as vulgar as my barbarous friends from the Imperium.

Really, Mr. Reaven. Surely you can do better, hmm?

~ Chancellor Semir-randil

"Hey, pick up a newspaper and you'd learn pretty quick that I've been one of Lord Melkor's mouthpieces for several years now--since shortly after your bastard friends shot down the Nargothrond for god knows what reason. He seldom deigns to answer the queries of pathetic rabble such as yourself." He shrugged. "Or any of you subhuman Nenyan scum, for that matter."

--Jay Reaven
Ma-tek
29-09-2003, 00:22
Better to be 'subhuman Nenyan scum' than to be the puppet of one who is afraid to speak for himself, eh?

Now, why don't you run along and play, little one? You gain nothing by crossing swords with us; nothing but embarrasment, that is. Surely you clearly see that, hmm? Perhaps that is what drives you; you seek to remedy past embarrasments at our hands.

Yes... yes, that must be it.

~ High Lord Commodore Semir-randil
Menelmacar
30-09-2003, 06:02
The Empire of Lavenrunz applies to join CENNA.

- Aurora von Konigsmark, Foreign Minister
Approved, of course!

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/sirithil/sirithilnosfeanor.gifLady Sirithil nos Fëanor
Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
Chancellor of the CENNA Commonwealth
"Do you realize you're trying to sell resources to Menel-ma-f***ing-car? They have a resource base larger than Melkor's ego."
~Advisor Julius M. Razak, Foot-to-Ass Section, Scolopendra, to Belem
We Love the Iraqi Information Minister (http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com)
Clicky-clicky!
30-09-2003, 06:38
"Wait! Wait! Let's just call ourselves SNATO!"

~DJ Moins, "Capital Punishment FM - Radio to die for"
imported_Diablo_NL
30-09-2003, 08:23
The Empire of Lavenrunz applies to join CENNA.

- Aurora von Konigsmark, Foreign Minister
We approve of course aswell.

~ William
Melkor Unchained
30-09-2003, 11:35
Better to be 'subhuman Nenyan scum' than to be the puppet of one who is afraid to speak for himself, eh?

Now, why don't you run along and play, little one? You gain nothing by crossing swords with us; nothing but embarrasment, that is. Surely you clearly see that, hmm? Perhaps that is what drives you; you seek to remedy past embarrasments at our hands.

Yes... yes, that must be it.

~ High Lord Commodore Semir-randil

"Silence, you twisted wretch. You claim your betters are 'afraid to speak for themselves!' Folly! Does not Rialla speak for herself? Get off your high horse and get back to playing housemaid to your Empress.

At least we know who wears the pants in the Empire of Eternal Dawn, now don't we?"

Melkor, Lord of Darkness
He who Arises in Might
Emperor Eternal of the Imperial Dominion of Melkor Unchained, Lord and Master of Arda
http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/melkor.jpg
Roania
30-09-2003, 11:46
Um, Menelmacar... have I been roped into this thing? Because Tor tg'd me a while back and said that as his protectorate/ally I'm also your ally.
Tor Yvresse
30-09-2003, 12:14
oocWell Ro it's more a case that you have to behave as her ally. Then hope hey return the favour. I can't make Menelmacar Foreign policy, and no, this is I think a seperate entity that dosn't need you to join to be there allies.

IC At the moment we are considering the relative merits, and problems of joining this alliance, we do not like Large over reaching alliances on the whole, but with so many cultural ties and Trade relations with the nations involved, may be willing to make an exception.

We shall give the matter more serious thought.
United Indiastan
30-09-2003, 12:27
"Can I join? AHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHA!

Seriously. Anyone who takes it upon themselves to apply for this poorly conceived amalgamation of sycophants deserves all the scorn we can muster. It sickens me to see more and more people get on their knees to plant a wet french kiss on EOTED's overstretched anus. Siri's too."

--Jay Reaven

After hearing of this statement, the only sounds that can be heard coming from the Governor-General's office for quite some time are bursts of laughter and the sound of clapping.
Der Angst
30-09-2003, 12:58
ooc:

Did all nations that apply for membership read the charter?

Esspecially this parts:

The Commonwealth of the Eternal Noldorin-Nenyan Alliance

5.1.2. Said trade ratio may be maintained with any member states, but at least 2% of the 20% must be maintained with Menelmacar andEOTED, individually.

8.1.1. Any member state not following the letter or the spirit of this document (as determined by the two Eternal Member States, being First Signatories and Draft Members) will face one of several possible measures, depending on severity of breach (as determined by vote of the Council, excluding the nation in question);

8.1.3. Neither Menelmacar nor EOTED may be expelled from the Commonwealth.

If yes... why do your throw away your souvereignity that willingly?

(And that from a nation that sold 51% of itselve... oh well... yes, i am a hypocrite, and?)
United Indiastan
30-09-2003, 13:20
ooc:

Did all nations that apply for membership read the charter?

Esspecially this parts:

The Commonwealth of the Eternal Noldorin-Nenyan Alliance

5.1.2. Said trade ratio may be maintained with any member states, but at least 2% of the 20% must be maintained with Menelmacar andEOTED, individually.

8.1.1. Any member state not following the letter or the spirit of this document (as determined by the two Eternal Member States, being First Signatories and Draft Members) will face one of several possible measures, depending on severity of breach (as determined by vote of the Council, excluding the nation in question);

8.1.3. Neither Menelmacar nor EOTED may be expelled from the Commonwealth.

If yes... why do your throw away your souvereignity that willingly?

(And that from a nation that sold 51% of itselve... oh well... yes, i am a hypocrite, and?)


SCORE:

Der Angst: 1

CENNA: 0
Tor Yvresse
30-09-2003, 14:25
Indeed it is for this reason that we are in deep concerns over applying for entry. Although we understand the spirit of the text it appears almost to be that in joining we would becoming lessened in many areas, our soverign powers given away to a larger organisation, controlled by two powers. We have no issues with these two powers and hold Menelmacar to be a great state and friend, a leader for the Elven Community beyond doubt.

Still to surrender our soverignty is a hard concept fo us to accept, and so the debate rages within the Council.
Aelosia
30-09-2003, 15:07
The Empire of Aelosia applies to join CENNA. We will represent the Sindarin people.
30-09-2003, 17:48
ooc:

Did all nations that apply for membership read the charter?

Esspecially this parts:

Actually, that benefits me. I'd be buying Menelmacari grain at the moment anyway for emergency stores, this way I get it cheaper.

looks around

Oh and elves rock. *cough*
Ma-tek
30-09-2003, 18:52
Better to be 'subhuman Nenyan scum' than to be the puppet of one who is afraid to speak for himself, eh?

Now, why don't you run along and play, little one? You gain nothing by crossing swords with us; nothing but embarrasment, that is. Surely you clearly see that, hmm? Perhaps that is what drives you; you seek to remedy past embarrasments at our hands.

Yes... yes, that must be it.

~ High Lord Commodore Semir-randil

"Silence, you twisted wretch. You claim your betters are 'afraid to speak for themselves!' Folly! Does not Rialla speak for herself? Get off your high horse and get back to playing housemaid to your Empress.

At least we know who wears the pants in the Empire of Eternal Dawn, now don't we?"

Melkor, Lord of Darkness
He who Arises in Might
Emperor Eternal of the Imperial Dominion of Melkor Unchained, Lord and Master of Arda
http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/melkor.jpg

Mmm. Easy to provoke into making a personal response, aren't you, Lord Morgoth?

You are not deserving of the Empress' attention.

~ High Lord Commodore Semir-randil
Ma-tek
30-09-2003, 18:58
The Empire of Lavenrunz applies to join CENNA.

- Aurora von Konigsmark, Foreign Minister

The Empire wholeheartedly supports the application of the deeply respected Empire of Lavenrunz.

~ Chancellor Semir-randil
Ma-tek
30-09-2003, 19:16
Indeed it is for this reason that we are in deep concerns over applying for entry. Although we understand the spirit of the text it appears almost to be that in joining we would becoming lessened in many areas, our soverign powers given away to a larger organisation, controlled by two powers. We have no issues with these two powers and hold Menelmacar to be a great state and friend, a leader for the Elven Community beyond doubt.

Still to surrender our soverignty is a hard concept fo us to accept, and so the debate rages within the Council.

The Charter specifically protects sovereignty. The Commonwealth functions both as a trading alliance, a guaranteeing of aid in times of crisis, and as a protection of the sovereignty of internal politics - not to mention the advantage of a forum in which to debate and decide foreign policy en masse.

Of course, this is not an official Commonwealth statement, but, rather, the Empire's official stated opinion of the qualities of the noble document in question.

~ Ambassador Relhatti
Aelosia
30-09-2003, 19:21
The Empire of Aelosia applies to join CENNA. We will represent the Sindarin people.

Can anybody answer me?
30-09-2003, 19:26
The Empire of Aelosia applies to join CENNA. We will represent the Sindarin people.

Can anybody answer me?

Private message to the rest of CENNA as it stands:

"Please, no. No more elves. We've got too many new applicants as it is!"
Aelosia
30-09-2003, 22:10
The Empire of Aelosia applies to join CENNA. We will represent the Sindarin people.

Can anybody answer me?

Private message to the rest of CENNA as it stands:

"Please, no. No more elves. We've got too many new applicants as it is!"

OOC: OK, I get it...kind of humiliating anyway. :oops:
30-09-2003, 22:19
It's nothing personal. We'd get rid of the oth ...

Oh! Hi Siri! :oops:
Roania
01-10-2003, 00:56
oocWell Ro it's more a case that you have to behave as her ally. Then hope hey return the favour. I can't make Menelmacar Foreign policy, and no, this is I think a seperate entity that dosn't need you to join to be there allies.

IC At the moment we are considering the relative merits, and problems of joining this alliance, we do not like Large over reaching alliances on the whole, but with so many cultural ties and Trade relations with the nations involved, may be willing to make an exception.

We shall give the matter more serious thought.

OOC: Right. I was worried for a second, because without chemical weapons I'd be in trouble. As my motto says, Only those that work in the darkness can truly know the light.

IC: We shall give this the gravest consideration.
Menelmacar
01-10-2003, 03:13
The Empire of Aelosia applies to join CENNA. We will represent the Sindarin people.
Approved.

OOC: Sorry for the delay, I was at school. And then moving the last of my stuff from my apartment back to my parents' house. And then entertaining grandparents. Busy day. :P

~Siri
ADK Mars
01-10-2003, 03:46
Although we are a colony of ADK, we would like to put forth an application.
Aelosia
01-10-2003, 20:10
Oh thanks. We're pleased and honored of being part of CENNA
Menelmacar
02-10-2003, 04:23
Well, technically you're not in CENNA until Chancellor Semir-randil also approves. Unless he has done so in the last few hours. ;) You also need to do up a little factbook sort of thing about your nation, detailing its history and government.

~Siri
Tor Yvresse
02-10-2003, 11:02
After some very serious thought we have decided to tender our official application to join CEENA, if a few points can be clarified for us. The Trade requirements will, we hope, in no way interfere with pre-existing free trade Agreements, while we will endevor to keep to the Trade requirements we will not do be able to join should this interfere with the martian Free Trade Agreement. We hold that pre-existing treatys must be considered above a Treaty you are considering to sign.

Secondly we need assurances that we may still conduct our own military actions free of, and independent from outside interferance, if we should choose. A Certain opertunity shall soon present itself to the Council, one we fully intend to take advantage of, it is a private matter of the Council and one that we will not be seeking outside aid in. If further information on this opertunity is sought, then we shall provide it only in a secure format, preferably through the use of Couriers, for this is a Top Secret Project of the Tor Yvressian people.
02-10-2003, 11:05
Something smells fishy about this charter...
Aelosia
02-10-2003, 11:07
Fishy?...Why fishy?
02-10-2003, 11:25
Too much control seems to be given to the founding nations. If I read that charter correctly (it was a few days ago that I read it, but IIRC) the founding nations essentially gain some control over the other not-so-priviledged members.
Aelosia
02-10-2003, 11:42
In foreign affairs we have a motto "The big country makes suggestions to the small country, and the small country just listens", I agree with you, but this is how politics are, and we accept it. Anyway, the chapter is fair, you lost some control over your country, but gain the support of a stronger nation.
Tor Yvresse
02-10-2003, 13:03
We will give however one assurance on the planned Military Operation, it will in no way lead to a war with a soverign nation state. We plan simply on reclaiming some.... lost propety.

((OOC Hmm although a Player has volunteed to play the enemy they are engaging it is with the understanding that it is not the playrs actual nation, just him the player.))
Steel Butterfly
02-10-2003, 17:34
OOC and I guess IC: I too would like to join...although I am rather busy right now, without time to write a good IC post. Please consider my signing up as an offer.
02-10-2003, 20:56
In foreign affairs we have a motto "The big country makes suggestions to the small country, and the small country just listens", I agree with you, but this is how politics are, and we accept it. Anyway, the chapter is fair, you lost some control over your country, but gain the support of a stronger nation.

No, the Overlord has made it quite clear that we will not be joining. Wretchengard does not trust the EOTED or Menelmacar, and is quite comfortable in Arda. But good luck to you all. Enjoy the loss of your sovereignty everyone.

Arman Grimwald
Lord of Foreign Relations
Ma-tek
02-10-2003, 21:27
The Empire will neither approve or deny the entrance of Aelosia (yet), as we do not possess enough information to be certain that their admittance is wise.

For example, we require information on the nature of the recent civil war in Aelosia, and request reassurances that Aelosia is, in fact, now stable.

~ Chancellor Semir-randil

[OOC: Will talk to you 'bout this on IRC, yon Siri.]
Ma-tek
02-10-2003, 21:36
In foreign affairs we have a motto "The big country makes suggestions to the small country, and the small country just listens", I agree with you, but this is how politics are, and we accept it. Anyway, the chapter is fair, you lost some control over your country, but gain the support of a stronger nation.

No, the Overlord has made it quite clear that we will not be joining. Wretchengard does not trust the EOTED or Menelmacar, and is quite comfortable in Arda. But good luck to you all. Enjoy the loss of your sovereignty everyone.

Arman Grimwald
Lord of Foreign Relations

I note that the CENNA Charter specifically makes an effort to protect the sovereignty of all member states.

However, we are all entitled to our own opinions, no?

With the Wretchengard statement appertaining to a lack of trust in mind, therefore...

I note that the Empire would be willing to engage in peaceful discourse with the nation of Wretchengard, in order to attempt to move towwards a better relationship between our two peoples; and perhaps lay the foundations of a more trusting friendship.

~ Ambassador Dejure

* * *

After some very serious thought we have decided to tender our official application to join CEENA, if a few points can be clarified for us. The Trade requirements will, we hope, in no way interfere with pre-existing free trade Agreements, while we will endevor to keep to the Trade requirements we will not do be able to join should this interfere with the martian Free Trade Agreement. We hold that pre-existing treatys must be considered above a Treaty you are considering to sign.

Secondly we need assurances that we may still conduct our own military actions free of, and independent from outside interferance, if we should choose. A Certain opertunity shall soon present itself to the Council, one we fully intend to take advantage of, it is a private matter of the Council and one that we will not be seeking outside aid in. If further information on this opertunity is sought, then we shall provide it only in a secure format, preferably through the use of Couriers, for this is a Top Secret Project of the Tor Yvressian people.

I wholeheartedly endorse the Tor Yvressian application, but note that only unwarranted military action is forbidden by the Charter; should a valid (in the view of the Council) line of reasoning be given, military action is not prohibited in any way, shape, or form.

Protection of sovereign rights, after all, is a 'two way street' - and applies to all nations, and not merely the nation that happens to be using the phrase at any particular moment of their choosing.

~ Chancellor Semir-randil

* * *

OOC and I guess IC: I too would like to join...although I am rather busy right now, without time to write a good IC post. Please consider my signing up as an offer.

[OOC: I'll pretend this was an IC post, then, for now - if you could just come back and edit this into a wholly IC post at a later point, that'd be helpful. ;)]

IC:

Despite certain misgivings, the Empire will consider this application with all due respect and honour. We will consult certain parties before making a decision, however.

~ Chancellor Semir-randil
02-10-2003, 21:54
double
02-10-2003, 21:58
No, the Overlord has made it quite clear that we will not be joining. Wretchengard does not trust the EOTED or Menelmacar, and is quite comfortable in Arda. But good luck to you all. Enjoy the loss of your sovereignty everyone.

Arman Grimwald
Lord of Foreign Relations

I note that the CENNA Charter specifically makes an effort to protect the sovereignty of all member states.

However, we are all entitled to our own opinions, no?

With the Wretchengard statement appertaining to a lack of trust in mind, therefore...

I note that the Empire would be willing to engage in peaceful discourse with the nation of Wretchengard, in order to attempt to move towwards a better relationship between our two peoples; and perhaps lay the foundations of a more trusting friendship.

~ Ambassador Dejure


Upon re-reading the charter, I can say that it does appear to have sections to protect sovereignty. Not to say that we agree with the document in question, but I apologize for my mistake.

As for peaceful discourse between our nations, that would depend entirely on what you have in mind. As you are well aware, the relationship between our two nations has not been one of smiles and flowers. We fought in the invasion of Ax-turath, and are currently involved in factions that are, lets say, not the best of friends. While we are always happy to improve relations with any nation, I must stress that Wretchengard's loyalties are first and foremost to Arda.

Arman Grimwald
Lord of Foreign Relations
Ma-tek
06-10-2003, 23:41
The Empire of the Eternal Dawn has, after intense discussion and debate throughout our society, decided to tentatively approve the Steel Butterfly application to join CENNA.

However... we will shift our vote in accordance with Menelmacar, if this becomes necessary, in order to maintain unity at this early stage of the development of the Commonwealth of the Eternal Noldorin-Nenyan Alliance.

Pending the above condition, the People of the Empire will be honoured to greet you into the Commonwealth with open arms.

It is our driving motivation under our new leadership to ever seek paths to peace, and to do so with all the more gusto when it concerns nations with which we have lacked good relations with in the past. We look forward to future, closer interactions between our two great nations.

~ Chancellor Semir-randil
07-10-2003, 21:52
After extensive debate with other nations, and long discussions between the various councils and their chairmen, the Vortex Corporation has decided to apply for CENNA membership. The reason behind this is the desire to establish a tight trading base, on which the Corporation will be able to fall back in times off economical downfall.

Also, the Corporation largely agrees with the political views of several member nations, most notably DNL. Therefore, we present to the CENNA council: our application.

Factbook:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1612625

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The Vortex Corporation High Council
Imperial Alliance
Corporate Coalition
Templar Alliance
SATO
WTE
SFN

”We bring new worlds to Life”
10-10-2003, 08:08
Hello?
Ma-tek
10-10-2003, 20:25
After extensive debate with other nations, and long discussions between the various councils and their chairmen, the Vortex Corporation has decided to apply for CENNA membership. The reason behind this is the desire to establish a tight trading base, on which the Corporation will be able to fall back in times off economical downfall.

Also, the Corporation largely agrees with the political views of several member nations, most notably DNL. Therefore, we present to the CENNA council: our application.

Factbook:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1612625

==============================

The Vortex Corporation High Council
Imperial Alliance
Corporate Coalition
Templar Alliance
SATO
WTE
SFN

”We bring new worlds to Life”

We apologize for the delay; at any rate, we most definitely approve.

~ Chancellor Semir-randil
10-10-2003, 22:08
We thank you for your support. Of course, we understand these things take time.