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Universal Declaration 1] All non-human sentient and conscious species have the right to live their lives in accordance to those rights for all humans as covered by the UN charter for human rights. 2] All non-human sentient and conscious species cannot be eaten 3] All non-human sentient and conscious species are equal amongst one another and all humans 4] All non-human sentient and conscious species have the right to self-determination

[Welcome to the New Era]

Non-Human Union
1] To primarily carry out the four points of the Universal Declaration on behalf of all member citizens through the NHU ministries and resources
2] The Non-Human Union Parliament (to be based on the model employed by the EU) will primarily have control of the following ministries which will function for the purpose of the greater NHU.
· Foreign Affairs
· Taxation, Trade & Treasury
· NHU greater defence and military policy
· Agricultural policy
· Health, Public Safety and Quarantine for the greater NHU
· Cultural and Heritage policy
· Greater NHU Scientific R&D policy
· NHU Industrial regulation
· Environmental policy
· Regulation of the Banking and Finance practices

3] The Non-Human Union Bank (as based on the EU Central Bank) will function the following policies and ministries
· NHU Official Reserve
· NHU Official Interest Rate
· NHU Currency Circulation
· NHU financing
· NHU International monetary policy (lending and borrowing overseas)

4] The Non-Human Union Courts (as based on the EU system of courts) will function over the following areas
· NHU Supreme Court
· NHU International Courts
· NHU Military Courts
· NHU Rights Court
NHU District Courts (in every capital at least)

What are your opinions on robots and biological cyborgs?

Robots and rabits are both non-human so they are covered under the terms used in the Non-Human Union Declaration. Biological cyborgs would also come under this definition.

The robot and cyborg would both have to pass our rigerous testing system to determine the species self-awareness and UIQ (Universal IQ). This way 'hive' species can be covered and the rights of individuals are also protected even if individually they may not classify as being sentinent and self-aware.

Please more clearly define the terms sentient and conscious , as it stands cows, chickens and other food animals woudl be covered by your alliance. And if you come between me and my steak we are going to have trouble.

(I don't know, Celeborne - remember that time I almost served the Hell Bovinian ambassador lamb chops? :shock: )

(I don't know, Celeborne - remember that time I almost served the Hell Bovinian ambassador lamb chops? :shock: )

LOL !!! That was great, the first time a war was almost started over a menu item !

SENTIENT: having the sense of the power of perception
INTELLIGENT: the ability to reason, comprehend and function higher order processes.

to be covered a species must meet these standards.

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See - higher level funstions. Bacteria can't reason can they? Hell Bovines can, thus Hell Bovines would be covered. the point about having perception is that we are never forced to accept rocks as protected species or some such. You can test for the intelligence and perception of a species. We do this.

*In game play it's when somebody applies to join, if you can manage that then your species passes.

Could all members of the Union please star using this forum and change their currency to the Union Paw please. (unless you have a better name for us to use :).

TNHU would like to announce the tempory holiday of the Foreign Minister (aka: i have exams) but he will maintain a semi-funtioning role (aka: I will check up on events occasionally)

Adiu!

BUMP

Jeepers where has everybody gone. Perhaps nobody has anything to say...

While this endeavour may be noble in nature, we find it to be inflamatory in practice and will only cause further strain in human / non-human relations.

- press release by some obscure official

the klingon empire is interested in what appears to be an alliance, please telegram me with more info

Sketch would you like to explain your comment please? I take it you cannot be very idealistic then if you see more negatives then positives arising from the the NHU.

If all humans are connected by a similar hostory, evolution and genetics then why shouldn't indipendent and diverse species join together to act as a unified human to non-human body body which can economicly develop and scientificly advantage each other who would otherwise have to go it alone so to speak.

Please impose sanctions against the nation of the Global Market for the horrid remarks they made desecrating the Bill of Non-Human rights, which we so desperately need. As part of this sanctions movement until there is an apology (either written to this thread or voted for the UN proposal) we STRONGLY suggest sending a telegram as often as you like/ can to the Global Market condemning their comments.

True there economy is frightening but this is the best non-military action we have and lets face it. Nobody likes being unpopular on the international scene.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=The%20Global%20Market

Thread with relevant information.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1589851#1589851

We reserve the right to eat humans and to use their bones in our quaint folk-crafts.

-Gensec Khan
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/the_communist_orks.jpg

Perhaps we could show you how to make synthetic human bones. O well i guess if its all done legally what can we do? Say do you think i could buy some on discount for christmas... ;)

OOC: I'm a good friend of Wandering Argonians. I'll help you enforce these proclemations.

Please impose sanctions against the nation of the Global Market for the horrid remarks they made desecrating the Bill of Non-Human rights, which we so desperately need. As part of this sanctions movement until there is an apology (either written to this thread or voted for the UN proposal) we STRONGLY suggest sending a telegram as often as you like/ can to the Global Market condemning their comments.

True there economy is frightening but this is the best non-military action we have and lets face it. Nobody likes being unpopular on the international scene.

We shall certainly be considering any trade with that nation in the future to be unlikely. Whilst we value our neighbours sufficiently that we feel no need to join the non-human union at this stage, we would be curious to send a representative to any meeting of such. Be warned in advance that the delegation might well include some humans, who make up a small but significant minority within our nation.

"We shall certainly be considering any trade with that nation in the future to be unlikely. Whilst we value our neighbours sufficiently that we feel no need to join the non-human union at this stage, we would be curious to send a representative to any meeting of such. Be warned in advance that the delegation might well include some humans, who make up a small but significant minority within our nation"

Our thanks to our friends the MS and Anaxa.

For future reference the Non-Human Union comprises of humans as well. It is simply a union for any nations which has non-human citizens.

Am i a part of it by default?

Old Red
Leader of the Red Penguins
Co-Founder of the NHA, dissovled to form the NHU

Hi

I've made that region you asked for.
It's called 'Greenfields'
TG me for the Password.

Old Red
Leader of the Empire of Red Penguins

Thanks so much! I really appreciate the effort but unfortunetly i went ahead a while ago and made the region. Please see the TG i have sent you for a reply.

We don't like to concern ourselves with outside affairs unless we are threatened or see an opportunity, but we may consider joining the NHU at some point of time in the future, should we determine the organization to be to our advantage.

As for The Global Market, their grave insult angers all of our citizens. Don't be surprised if some of their sailors start mysteriously dissapearing from their ships at sea and offshore platforms...

The Council of Surface Affairs

Sometimes military action is the only solution.

Redscale, Argonian Chief
NHA Member (Non-Human Alliance)

Perhaps we could show you how to make synthetic human bones. O well i guess if its all done legally what can we do? Say do you think i could buy some on discount for christmas... ;) Its just not the same :cry:

We'll just continue raiding up-scale niehborhoods and fancy office towers.

Sketch would you like to explain your comment please? I take it you cannot be very idealistic then if you see more negatives then positives arising from the the NHU.

If all humans are connected by a similar hostory, evolution and genetics then why shouldn't indipendent and diverse species join together to act as a unified human to non-human body body which can economicly develop and scientificly advantage each other who would otherwise have to go it alone so to speak.

To exclude humans from an alliance which in general is there to recognize the rights of sentients is (what's the proper term?) speciesm(?) to the extreme. It is like when the human race excludes all blacks or jews, or more apporpriately in this case, whites. It is the singling out of one select group, to be the brunt of all the blame and anger. The point is not that you can't/shouldn't rally to form an economically powerful union, etc, etc, the point is that your rallying specifically to move against humans. As if all humans were bad. That is not true, plenty of humans who share the same ideals as you can be found. Of course, upon reading the rest of the posts, I now realize that my previous points are mostly invalid. But, this is what I meant when I posted earlier. I haven't been keeping up.......ramble........ramble......awkward halt of words...... :oops:

in general[/i] is there to recognize the rights of sentients is (what's the proper term?) speciesm(?) to the extreme... The point is not that you can't/shouldn't rally to form an economically powerful union, etc, etc, the point is that your rallying specifically to move against humans...

This alliance doesn't exclude humans at all. If it did then I myself would have to leave because HomoSapien sapiens are still the majority. I empathise with your point though, it's like saying only women can be feminists. (And let's hope not or again i am going to get rejected).

Also the NHU was never about being an economic union. If you look in the threads under Biotopia, The Non-Human union or just for Non-Human alliance you will find that a lengthy period where there was a more narrowed coalition of nation joining together to form a unified body against human aggression and with loose economic and political ties.

It may have and might still be the goal of some members to move against humanity but I am confident they are in the minority. The economic unity and creation of a greater political body had just been one of the benefits gained in moving into a more dynamic and progressive organization.

Of course, upon reading the rest of the posts, I now realize that my previous points are mostly invalid. But, this is what I meant when I posted earlier. I haven't been keeping up.......ramble........ramble......awkward halt of words...... :oops:

Hence this last section to my post. Please finish reading posts in their entirity before replying next time.

The empasis on the term "non-human" implies that humans are excluded. I fail to see how the term "non-human" can be construed as to imply the acceptance of human supporters of non-humans. Its like saying non-black groups (see KKK) allow blacks if they support the cause. The name of the alliance was intentionally exclusionary in nature.

The economic reference came from your earlier post -
If all humans are connected by a similar hostory, evolution and genetics then why shouldn't indipendent and diverse species join together to act as a unified human to non-human body body which can economicly develop and scientificly advantage each other who would otherwise have to go it alone so to speak.
I assumes that since you used this argument, that it applied to the situation. If not, then you example was a poor one, and invalid.

I did, it didn't make sense, perhaps I am just extremely stupid.

First of all we never made a point of what 'non-human' meant in the title. It is just a simple name used to identify a particular site where nations which would share a similar concern for a) how to run a non-human nation and b) for nations concerned about upgrading the rights of all non-humans. You continually try to link non-human with negative connotations. . That’s like saying women's studies is now going to be called 'study of a specific but non-descript study of a certain gender' to avoid exclusivity.

By continually making points about the 'exclusivity' of non-human you demonstrate your failure to understand what the NHU is all about. If ANYBODY wants to join who believes and carries out the four points of the universal declaration they can join. if they want to take up the whole Union but they can but don't have to. NEVER has it been said that fully human or human majorities cannot join. non-Human union is the name we recognise, I’m sorry if you fail to see what it Truly represents.

Also what is the problem with having an exclusive group? Do you suggest that the male rapist psychiatric rehabilitation group should drop in on the women’s rape victim group to demonstrate their openness? You failure to understand is because it is based on some rather big assumptions. Let me clarify something for you. We are not hear to harm you. We are your friends. Take us to your leader.

Please do not assume from loose evidence that we are some anti-human group seeking to wipe you all out. Anti-Human does not = Non-Human. Non-human union means union of common economic, scientific (and yes military) solidarity of a group of nations with similarities. For example Europe does not wish to overthrow the world but they have a union such as we do. Do you understand a little better now?

I understand completely, I am merely pointing out the fact that the title is exclusive. That could be taken anyway you choose. Just like your example of female rape victim group vs. male rapist group. Both groups are exclusive. There is no denying that. It is important to consider the impact that the chosen name of your group will have on people/groups who don't completely understand or even know what your about. For example, what if I called myself a NAZI - New Age Zionist Initiate (I know, I had to find something that would fit the acronym :wink: ) Nobody would stop to ask what I stood for, or what I believed in, they would just assume that I was some warmongering jew hater. I understand that your group stands for rights for sentients and all that other none such, but the goup title fails to represent that. Perhaps something like the "Conglomerate (or Union) of Sentient Species" would be more suitable - an all inclusive title, when one reads it, they will automatically know what the group stands for.

Anyways.........the comment that sparked this debate was made ICly. It was something more along the lines of scoffing at the idea. The rest of this has been OOC representation of my opinions. Its been good sparing with you, but I sense that we're not going to see eye to eye on this. So I'm going to end it and say "Carry on."

OK I see the point you are making but I wouldn't list it as a top priority. I draw the line at rather stupid titles like the N.A.Z.I example but a) I wouldn't say NHU is exactly a provocative name but if it is then this should help stimulate a flow of interest in reading the thread and thus hopefully expanding awareness, influence, etc.

It's been good to joust this out with you.

We don't like to concern ourselves with outside affairs unless we are threatened or see an opportunity, but we may consider joining the NHU at some point of time in the future, should we determine the organization to be to our advantage.

As for The Global Market, their grave insult angers all of our citizens. Don't be surprised if some of their sailors start mysteriously dissapearing from their ships at sea and offshore platforms...

The Council of Surface Affairs

As Foreign Minister I openly invite the Advanced Mollusks to investigate our organization further and we will be only to happy to provide answers to your most difficult questions. We look for diversity in our organization and your sort of unique civilisation would compliment this objective nicely. Not to mention the advantages of joining our single economic body and the trade deals we can open for you

I know this is a little out of bounds but read here.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73939&highlight=

we cannot let this happen. Will you support action to condone the activity? If military action will only work in ceasing the trade will you please support it? Our involovement however will be minimal but enough to demonstrate we do not tolerate such violations, no matter what the species.

Will you support action to condone the activity?

((OOC: I think you don't mean you're condoning his actions. The word "condone" is synonymous to "tolerate". You should say that "we do not condone this activity" more likely, unless you're supporting slavery.))

I know this is a little out of bounds but read here.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73939&highlight=

we cannot let this happen. Will you support action to anti-condone (made up word) the activity? If military action will only work in ceasing the trade will you please support it? Our involovement however will be minimal but enough to demonstrate we do not tolerate such violations, no matter what the species.

Thanks for pointing that out. I'm such a n00b at spelling while writting with a keyboard.

I would like to join this union. As i am new and want help.

As Foreign Minister i see no reason why not.
Although it would be good if our Interior Minsiter showed up to work some days [casts glance up and down very empty corridor]. He's supposed to responcible for these sort of things. And theat reminds me - where's ..... and so.

I would also like to join the union. Long live (peaceful) Lycanthropes!

As Foreign Minister i see no reason why not.
Although it would be good if our Interior Minsiter showed up to work some days [casts glance up and down very empty corridor]. He's supposed to responcible for these sort of things. And theat reminds me - where's ..... and so.

Sorry. I've been very busy with the world cup. :oops:

As interior minister of the Non-Human Union, The Grand Duchy Of Hell Bovines welcomes the nations of Rabid Liberals, Pixski, The Communist Orks and Three Fjords Pine as members of it. We strongly suggest you to join us at the 'Greenfields' region. You can telegram me, Red Penguins or Biotopia for the password. Again, welcome to the union.

Mooo IV, Duque of the Hell Bovines

Tsk, tsk HB. But i'll forgive you :D

Don;t forget Clanger is our Vice President but he wanted minimal work.

Did i give both you and RP the password to THNU 'nation'?

Tsk, tsk HB. But i'll forgive you :D

Don;t forget Clanger is our Vice President but he wanted minimal work.

Did i give both you and RP the password to THNU 'nation'?

Yes, you did. I envy Clangerland - The vice-president position is so nice! :wink:

We iz orks. We iz da greatest and da tuffest!!! We don't need your help unless you is tuff dan us. Prove it an' den we'll join you.

We iz orks. We iz da greatest and da tuffest!!! We don't need your help unless you is tuff dan us. Prove it an' den we'll join you.

Hmm yes, maybe you should go back to your caves a while longer - the bright light must be doing things to you.

BUMP

I would have to agree with this since the sebeceans are non-human but are terran. Our desendants are from a lost anceint human colony, they were known as the "Atlantians"

Interesting.

As a fairly elder nation that once faced the threat of genocidal extermination of 90% of our peoples during our nation's youth, I can sympathyse with your concerns.

I'll keep an eye on this, but have too much on my plate right now to look beyond this thread.

Since I am a member of Greenfields (formerly Xyloinia) I assume that I am a member. Despite us having a non-monetary economy, our currency would be the Union Paw, if we had a currency. We wish to have a post dedicated to the preservation of the cultures of member nations. Thank you.

Then perhaps you would like to leave a post giving a summery of your own culture following a format that us other nations can follow and use for ourselves in this thread?

This thread will be used for the formal discussion of the preposed CACE-NHU diplomatic and trade disussions.

This thread will be used for the formal discussion of the preposed CACE-NHU diplomatic and trade disussions.

Erm...

OMFG NOES ELVES ARE SOOO STUPID TO USE IN NS!!!111ONEONE

Only elves, not any other kind of non- humans, i presume?

Cry me a river Der Angst - no i'm just joking.

Anyway i was just posting to keep a record of events. I'm also putting the call out for anybody interested in joining.

"Yo! Wad up all da furry's in da house"

As a Greenfields regional member, is the Sultanate automatically considered a member of the NHU? If not, how would we apply to join? We are also uninformed as regards the CACE/NHU situation; is there a thread where discussions have taken place?

Octavius Prime
Sultan of Dire Arachnia

I would like to echo our neighbor nation's question. By living in the region, are we automatically part of the NHU? If not, how do we apply?

I would like to echo our neighbor nation's question. By living in the region, are we automatically part of the NHU? If not, how do we apply?

Yes, I think that, if you're part of the region, you're automatically a part of the NHU. But I'm not very sure about this, I'll guess you'll have to ask Biotopia about it.
Best wishes,

Whitey Bighorns, vice-duque of HB (Mooo IV is on a trip)

Yes, sorry i meant to cl;arify this yesterday but i am being pushed for time with my final final-exams in 3!!! days.

OK So the NHU has a core and an outer group. All of you belonging to the Greenfields region are automaticlly presumed to belong to the NHU.

The 'nation' of the NHU is like a federal state where the NHU administration is centered [rather like the city of Brussels but in the state of the Australian Captial Territory..never mind]

If anybody would like to take up a ministerial role in the NHU and they belong to the Greenfields region they are more then welcome. Interior Minister, Vice Chancellor and Foreign Minister are already taken.

The outer members are part of the Greater NHU and are not able to take up ministerial and do not have to accept the single currency. However they can still conduct trade and defence throught the NHU and pay a nominal tax to fund the NHU.

However outer members still have a seat in the NHU Parliment and can vote on issues. this si why it is important for them to attend the discussions in THIS THREAD. All core NHU members will be covered under any agrement and outer members simply need to ratify the treaty to gain access.

Arlis Xyria (vulpine symbiote), would like to head the department of human/non-human relations. It's job would be to defuse problems between the two, i.e., if someone was foolish enough to serve Whitey Bighorns a steak dinner, her job would be to make sure it was smoothed over with a minimum of violence.

Hmm.

Both the Foreign and Internal Ministries have similar organisations to avoid external and internal confrontations. What if we placed those two departments under your control and you headed up your very own cultural Minsitry? [ie. The arts]. We could evn call you the 'cultural ambassador'

I. Terms of Compliance

Signatories must pass and institute legislation to meet the requirements set in below within 1 year (365 days) of signing this treaty. Full compliance will be assumed from the signing of the treaty, and will be evaluated after one year. Signatories that have failed to bring their nations into compliance with the treaty will have all benefits suspended until they have met the treaty’s requirements. After the first year, any nation that fails to meet the treaty’s requirements will be placed on one year probation, with re-evaluation at the end of that year. Failure to comply with the terms of the treaty at the end of the one year probation will result in suspension of benefits until they have met the treaty’s requirements.

Signatories that meet the upper tier requirements as noted specifically will be granted Trade Primacy status. Primacy grants greater access to markets and resources, and the requests of nations with Primacy status will receive preferential treatment over base level nations. Trade Primacy status is cumulative; the more areas a nation meets upper tier requirements the greater the benefits.

Signatories are required to enforce the dictates of this treaty and may not act in a manner contradictory to the treaty. Signatories must honor the requirements the treaty places upon their nations. Signatories which fail to enforce a section of the treaty, or act in contradiction to the treaty, will be immediately suspended and must reapply for full benefits.

II. Labor Requirements


A. Wages

1. Companies operating within, or doing business with companies within, the signatory nation must pay their workers a living wage.

i. Living Wage is determined individually for all nations: it is calculated by adding the mean cost of food for the worker and one dependant, housing for the worker and one dependant, electricity, water, local telecommunications, schooling for a dependant and +30% discretionary spending.

ii. Signatories which set a Living Wage 10% or more above the amount listed above will be granted Trade Primacy.

2. Wages may not be denied for time worked. Companies found to be in violation of this clause will be fined no less than 10,000 WD a day until all back wages are paid.

3. Wages must be paid on a regular basis not to exceed one calendar month in duration. Companies found to be in violation of this clause will be fined no less than 10,000 WD a day until wages are delivered on an acceptable schedule.



B. Work Schedules

1. The work week is set at 40 hours per week. All hours from 41-60 must be paid time and a half. All hours from 61-80 must be paid double time. No worker can work more than 80 hours a week.

2. Full time workers must have health and pension plans provided by their employers or the state. Part time workers must have health plans provided by their employers or the state.

i. Full time is defined as working 30-40 hours a week, or 35 hours or more on average for a 50 week year. Part time is defined as working 15-29 hours a week, or 20 hours a week on average for a 50 week year.

ii. Signatories that set a full time work week at 35 hours or less will be granted Trade Primacy status.



C. Workplace Environment

1. No company may operate a business in a hazardous environment. Companies found to be operating inside hazardous environments will be fined no less than 50,000 WD a day until operations cease in hazardous environments.

i. In situations where hazardous conditions cannot be avoided, workers will be fully informed as to the nature and degree of risk, and companies shall have the responsibility for the implementation and maintenance of measures minimising worker risk, i.e. the provision of protective clothing and equipment; provision of adequate and appropriate training; medical and psychological support; maintenance of sufficient staff; other measures as appropriate to minimise individual exposure to a hazardous environment and increase worker safety.

2. Workers will be protected from all types of workplace discrimination and harassment, including but not limited to harassment based on gender, race, ethnicity, creed, sexual preference, or political beliefs. Companies may be brought to court on civil charges by individuals for violating this clause.

i. Workers shall not be dismissed on the ground of calling for investigation into workplace conditions. Companies may be brought to court on civil charges by individuals for violating this clause.

D. Labor Unions

1. Signatory nations must recognize unions formed for the purpose of collective representation of workers.

2. Signatory nations must take appropriate steps to ensure the ability of unions to strike, and must appoint unbiased mediators to resolve disputes if a strike continues for 60 days or more.



III. Investment Requirements

A. International Investment

1. Taxes on foreign direct investment from signatory nations will be capped at 12% in addition to local taxes. Firms must have 66% of their stock owned by local stock holders in order to be eligible for this clause. Nations which set FDI taxes at 6% or less will receive Trade Primacy status.

2. Signatory nations must institute a 1% tax on FDI, which must be spent on either education or social welfare projects. Nations which set this tax at 4% or higher will receive Trade Primacy status.

3. Investors with residence of holdings in signatory nations may only invest in holdings and nations which abide by the regulations of this treaty.



B. Domestic Investment

1. All companies must be at least 25% worker owned, either through direct ownership of stock or through stock options in retirement investment funds. Companies which are worker controlled, where workers own and vote 51% of stock, will be granted Trade Primacy status. Nations which require companies to be 51% worker owned and controlled will receive Trade Primacy status.

2. Signatory nations must regulate banking investment. Nations which make bank investment in the open stock market illegal will receive Trade Primacy status.

3. Signatory nations must regulate domestic stock markets. Nations which criminalize to felony level trading violations such as insider trading, fraud or stock manipulation will receive Trade Primacy status.



IV. Trade Requirements

A. International Trade

1. This treaty will establish four levels of trade between the CACE and capitalist nations.

i. CACE Autarchy: This level is available to CACE members only, and constitutes a non-monied, need based industrial alliance network.

ii. Primary Trade Partner: This level is the highest level available to non-CACE members, and is made of nations selected by the CACE Production and Trade Board. These nations are free to sell their goods to CACE nations and CACE nations need not seek permission to trade with them.

iii. Trade Partner: This level is available to all other signatory nations of this treaty, but CACE members must seek goods from CACE members and Primary Trade Partners first before purchasing goods from Trade Partners.

iv. Non-Treatied Nations: Nations which are not members of the CACE and not signatories of this treaty reside in this level. CACE members and Signatory Nations are barred from trading with them without explicit permission.

While the People's Republic of Corlina is almost entirely human, we thoroughly support the goals of this new organization.

...What if we placed those two departments under your control and you headed up your very own cultural Minsitry? [ie. The arts]. We could even call you the 'cultural ambassador'

Agreed, however, all those working under her get to call her, instead of "Cultural Ambassador Arlis", they may call her "Her Egotistical Ambassadorship Arlis" due to the fact that we feel such a title will go straight to her head. We also agree to the Terms of Compliance, excepting (II B 1), as our species can and will go for longer time periods, due to the fact that 'Weres need only four hours of sleep on average.

We will notify HB of the preposed changes and sign the deal to rig your new ministry into order as soon as possible. We will also negotiate a special clase be built in to allow for a comparative allowance in biological differences.

Thank you for your alterations, NHU.

BUMP

current negotiations are going well. I request a formal vote from all NHU core members on the new voting thread. A simple majority will be needed.

While we certainly support this treaty, we will not sign it. Certainly nobody in our nation works 80 hous a week, but they work for the good of themselves and the nation, not for money. It is all volunteer work, and there is no punishment for not working. It is hard to invest or pay anyone anything with a non-monetary economy, which is what we have. Though our currency is the Union Paw, we have no actual money. Also, where is the voting thread?

The Sultanate has no objection to any clause in the agreement; we do not believe that these restrictions and requirements would negatively impact on our economy, and as regards the treatment of workers, we do believe in ensuring that all Giant Evil Spiders are given a decent standard of living. The CACE agreement would not hinder us from being Evil, and so we are happy to lend our support.

SB: If nobody works 80 hours in your nation why will you not sign? The CACE is the Coalition of Anti-Capitalist Economies. So not having a currency or using it is not something they should understand or have similar systems. I think that if it is pointed out that you substitute wages for goods or services of the equivilent value, there should be no problem.

As to the voting thread. No voting can start until the amended treaty has been made [covering working hour limitations and the issue of what constitutes as 'wages']. Thank you for your time :lol:

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Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed.
Email:- Slagkattunger@hotmail.com
Slagkattunger Nation Profile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78165)
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Covered by DRI (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83705)

"Greetings, The Free Land of Slagkattunger has joined the this Union...for the time being, we will see how it treats us before we can say it's long termed.

Some questions I would liked answered...How does the International Trade treaty affect a capitalist nation like mine? Secondly my government has a warning list for our citizens, will this Union try and influence this list or will we be able to control this list without interfearance?

Thank you for time Gentlebeings."

Please explain you "warnig list" a little further.

The treaty will simply impose a minimum level of the quality of living you must offer to your workers. This of cause will have an overall positive effect on your economy as a happy, healthy, trading population is a more productive and successful one. :)

Please explain you "warnig list" a little further.

ooc:- Click on this link below, then click on the Warning list link to see it.
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Lets all go here and vote shall we?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91508