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Vrak communicates with Der Angst

Vrak
04-09-2003, 21:44
Somewhere in Vrak...

translated from Vrakian

-Enter.
-Good morning Intelligence Director.
-High General.
-Well, did you catch the latest news?
-Of course. We always need to maintain a public show of support for our Klatchian neighbours.
-But what about their latest message?

We cannot exactly understand your problems. Dyelli Beybi attacked an allied nation, and commited genocide. As long as you aren`t a part their evil, criminal schemes, you shouldn`t be too worried.

Still, as this problem seems to concern you much, we can tell you as much as this demonstration should be enough, we do not intend to start any more raids against the rogue state of Dyelli Beybi.

~ Mr. Morden

-According to them, Dyelli Beybi initiated the problems Intelligence Director.
-Well, of course they would say that. It's not like they would admit to any wrong doing.
-What do you propose?
-A joint investigation between our nation and theirs. How goes the troop withdrawal?
-I hate to pull out troops, especially in Milantos and Ell, but Der Angst is an unknown quantity. They say that they won't conduct any more raids but how can we trust them?
-Indeed.

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To: Der Angst Diplomats - Mr. Morden
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Investigation

Your charges against the nation of Dyelli Beybi are of a serious nature. We propose a joint investigation between your nation and ours in order to uncover the truth. Besides, it shouldn't be too surprising that we stand shoulder to shoulder with our friends. Your veiled threats are not needed. Let us be perfectly clear, violation of our territory by your nation will be met with serious consequences.
Menelmacar
04-09-2003, 22:22
Meh, you'll find other, better friends.

~Siri
04-09-2003, 23:28
To: Vrakian High Command
From: Calarcian High Command.
Re: Pull out from Ell
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We note that your international relations with Der Angst requiered pulling back your forces from the defences of Ell against the invasion, Our naval forces are fully commited to Ell except for defensive forces remaining around Calarca. Our army is a internal defensive stucture only, however our Air force can be deployed in support of Vrakian forces should such be neccesary. We can spare portions of our A-4K Maritime strike, A-10G Close Air Support, Gr Jaguar Fast Ground Attack, and F-21 Air Superiority units of our Air force.
We see it as that we have a duty to help those other M.E.R.G nations involved in strife.
Vrak
05-09-2003, 03:53
Meh, you'll find other, better friends.

~Siri

To: Menelmacar Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: comments

Your comments are quite interesting, considering that you refused to attend the World Court which, incidentally, was hosted by us in order to head off a war between yourself and the nation of Christofi and put our nation at risk. Our nation put at risk because of you and Christofi.
Vrak
05-09-2003, 03:55
To: Vrakian High Command
From: Calarcian High Command.
Re: Pull out from Ell
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We note that your international relations with Der Angst requiered pulling back your forces from the defences of Ell against the invasion, Our naval forces are fully commited to Ell except for defensive forces remaining around Calarca. Our army is a internal defensive stucture only, however our Air force can be deployed in support of Vrakian forces should such be neccesary. We can spare portions of our A-4K Maritime strike, A-10G Close Air Support, Gr Jaguar Fast Ground Attack, and F-21 Air Superiority units of our Air force.
We see it as that we have a duty to help those other M.E.R.G nations involved in strife.

To: Calarca Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: offer of help

Your generous offer is most appreciated but we feel that we can handle ourselves at the present time. Your offer, though, will not be forgotten.
Sunset
05-09-2003, 04:06
OOC: A reminder for Der Angst - the Republic has notified SATO that it has recorded the whole war thus far from orbit. The Republic will make these recordings avaliable to those who ask.
Steel Butterfly
05-09-2003, 04:38
Meh, you'll find other, better friends.

~Siri

Like myself, Vrak :P
Der Angst
05-09-2003, 11:05
OOC: A reminder for Der Angst - the Republic has notified SATO that it has recorded the whole war thus far from orbit. The Republic will make these recordings avaliable to those who ask.

ooc: It`s not exactly like we haven`t any recordings, however, thanks ;)

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IC:

To: Vrak diplomatic corps
From: Mr. Morden, Der Angst

Subject: re: Investigation

"Believe us, we do not intend to violate the souvereign right of any nation as long as this nation doesn`t violate the souvereign rights of our or our allies nations. So, there really is no risk regarding your safety.

However, we are pleased that you actually intend to investigate instead of believing what your 'friends' say, and will gladly help you in this matter.

Perhaps, it is possible for your investigators to meet with our own in south- east Knootoss, we would guarantee a safe journey?

We could then show you the remainings of The Hague, our own recordings, etc..

---

Mr. Morden was quite satisfied. This was indeed a great chance, a great chance for further justification.

He had to need it.

He smiled, as always.

Another great day was about to come.
Alcona and Hubris
05-09-2003, 14:20
To: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
From: Outer Ministry Alcona and Hubris
Subject: Data on incident...
We are fully willing to allow an investigation and show all of our records on the incident. Also, at the moment we have obviously engaged Der Angst in an intellgence gathering misssion. All information on this matter will be convayed to Vrak but restrictions on Der Angst access will remain until this matter is resolved.
Knootoss
05-09-2003, 14:50
Brabant, south eastern Knootoss

A small airfield lay in the open land of Brabant. The concrete airstrip accompanied by a tower stood west of the river Maas, between the flat, rich meadows, the sunlit dyke roads, and the countless windmills of the Dutch levels.

But a shadow had been cast over the nation as the grey clouds could be seen approaching from the west. Still, the fighting was too far away to be heard. Too far from the beach where Brotherhood soldiers and Knootian privates were about to begin their struggle to the death for Rotterdam. Too far from the stormy ocean where the EOTED ship Semir-Randill sank down. Too far, also, from the battered capitol in The Hague.

Somehow, this airfield had escaped cruise missile attacks, and Angstian and Endlessian planes where busy refueling for another battle for the skies.

The tower had heard of a foreign delegation coming to visit Knootoss here, behind the lines in territory still held by the allies of the Democratic Republic. Nothing to do but sit and wait...

OOC: you can come in if you want to. Consider yourself to have clearence to land etc.
Vrak
07-09-2003, 13:09
Vrak
07-09-2003, 13:57
To: Der Angst Diplomats - Mr. Morden
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Investigation

Of course we are willing to investigate the matter. We are a logical people but remain loyal to our friends. As well, there is the matter of your nation taking unilateral action against the nation of Dyelli Beybi, even if the latter is found wanting.

You are invited to send a team to our capital, Vrak Prime. We can conduct the investigation in the Dome of Justice. Do you have an alternate proposal?

To: All concerned nations
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Investigation

Please forward any and all related material to this office regarding the Dyelli Beybi incident.

To: Knootoss Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Investigation

While your offer to use the airfield located in Brabant, we feel that it is too dangerous to conduct an investigation. We propose that the investigation be conducted from our capital, Vrak Prime, at the Dome of Justice.

OOC: Wouldn't you know it? The forums are back and now I'm taking off for about 5-6 days. I'll search for this thread when I come back. Feel free to telegram me if you so desire.
Der Angst
07-09-2003, 15:10
From: Mr. Morden, the associates
To: Vrak diplomatic corps
Subject: Investigation

"Actually, we wonder why the investigation should take place in Vrak, while the incident happened in Knootoss... While we are willing to send a liaison to Vrak (of course we expect that Vrak sends one to us, too), the investigation HAS to take place in Knootoss, otherwise it would be useless.

~ Mr. Morden
Knootoss
07-09-2003, 15:45
OOC: consider the Angstian message to be written on my behalf as well. I'd like you to see for yourself the situation...
Alcona and Hubris
07-09-2003, 17:52
OOC:Notes on Vrak
one: Vrak is investigating the attack on D.B. not Knootoss
two: I believe the Vrakians want an explination for the bombing of D.B.
Three: The Federated Klatchian Coast is one nation, that acts more like the Holy Roman Empire but there is a central government headed by the Vrakian King...

IC: Alcona and Hubris will send an investigative team to observe the operations of fellow FKC member states in the conflict. All information will be reported directly to the Klatchian Parliment...
Vrak
08-09-2003, 10:06
From: Mr. Morden, the associates
To: Vrak diplomatic corps
Subject: Investigation

"Actually, we wonder why the investigation should take place in Vrak, while the incident happened in Knootoss... While we are willing to send a liaison to Vrak (of course we expect that Vrak sends one to us, too), the investigation HAS to take place in Knootoss, otherwise it would be useless.

~ Mr. Morden

To: Mr. Morden
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Invesigation

We are of the understanding that the area involving Dyelli Beybi and Knootoss is currently very unsafe - that is, there is a war going on. So how does Der Angst propose to conduct an investigation with bullets flying about? Is not evidence from numerous sources sufficient to reach conclusions? We are not ready yet to dispatch a carrier group to the area in question for the mere purposes of an investigation while other means haven't been explored (satellite data, recordings from people on the ground, etc...).

Consider our liaison officer enroute to your capital. We look forward to receiving your team here in Vrak

As well, you conveniently sidestepped your response, which is your unilateral action in the bombing of Dyelli Beybi. That too is also under investigation. Do not attempt to sweep that under the carpet.
Der Angst
08-09-2003, 11:11
To: Vrak diplomatic corps
From: Mr. Morden, associates
Subject: Investigation

"Of course all satellite data, witnesses, etc. will be used as well.

However, we think an investigation cannot be completed without investigating the actual site of crime, which is in Knootoss.

So, we are forced to demand that you send inspectors to Knootoss, otherwise, further investigation would be useless.

However, our Liaison is on it`s way.

About us bombing Dyelli Beybi: Well, Dyelli Beybi started with bombing US.

We striked back, against military aims.

Thats all.

As you are one nation, as you say, perhaps you should check more often what your provinces do?

~Mr. Morden"
Knootoss
08-09-2003, 12:39
OOC: but member "provinces" of The Federated Klatchian Coast apparently can use military force against outside nations without even asking for permission. :?
Vrak
08-09-2003, 13:55
To: Mr. Morden
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Investigation

This is what we propose:

1. All relevant evidence (satellite data, etc...) be forwarded to our office. With your liason officer here, we can work on this together. You understand that Dyelli Beybi officials will have to be interviewed.

2. An on-site investigation be conducted. How do you propose the best way to conduct this chapter of the investigation - considering that there is a war currently going on? Perhaps after hostilities cease then a joint Der Angst/Vrak team could be sent.

OOC: Knootoos. Well, each country in the Coast is like a province. Sure. Just a different set-up. :wink:
Der Angst
08-09-2003, 14:04
From: Mr. Morden, Associates
To: Vrak diplomatic corps
Subject: Investigation

"We will send copies of the evidence to you. About the investigation in Knootoss: We feel confident that we can provide the neccessary security. Besides, we hope a ceasefire can be agreed on shortly."
Vrak
10-09-2003, 14:54
To: Mr. Morden
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Investigation

Our liaison officer that is enroute to your capital will be empowered to visit Knootoss. With all due respect to your confidence in providing security, we feel it necessary to provide our liaison team with a full company of Vrakian Royal Guard. We expect that this guard be accorded full access in order to protect the liaison team - especially when they go to Knootoss itself.

OOC: Hey, how exactly do you want to play this DA? Do you want this investigation to intrude upon the main thread or shall we do it here (with the main thread impacting our characters here). I'm open for ideas.
Der Angst
10-09-2003, 15:00
To: Vrak diplomatic corps
From: Mr. Morden
Subject: Investigation

"We realise how important the security of your liaison is for you, and the guards are welcome. How many exactly?

However, we finished our preparations and are confident that we have anything your liaison needs."

~ Mr. Morden

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ooc: the latter, doing this in the main thread would be... ummm... not a good idea, considering the amount of posts/ day ^_^
Knootoss
10-09-2003, 20:07
*waits for the planes to arrive*
Vrak
12-09-2003, 03:04
A modified C-157 cargo plane thunders out of a drab military airforce base located near Vrak Prime. Aboard is Special Envoy Yul Riou along with his various aides and personal bodyguards.

Yul settled back in his seat and meditated on the upcoming visit to Der Angst. He thought about all the possible diplomatic feints, parries, and thrusts that would have to be carried out. Although relatively new as a diplomatic, he has some 100 years as a police detective, prosecutor, and even judge. He looked forward to the challenge.

In another part of the plane, 36 Royal Vrakian marines along with their commanding officer were sleeping.

OOC: I downgraded it to a platoon since I doubt 100+ men will fit onto a single plane.

To: Mr. Morden
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Investigation

Our liaison officer's title and name is Special Envoy Yul Riou and will be accompanied by 36 Royal Vrakian marines with Captain Paul Irik commanding. The Special Envoy's own retinue will consist of between 5-8 people. As well, it should be noted that Yul Riou is a walrus and therefore special considerations regarding his bulk should be accounted for.
Der Angst
12-09-2003, 10:55
ooc: 100 years o.O

btw, 100+ would easily be possible, if the plane is large enough... *remembers his giant 1000 passenger planes* anyway:

---

ic:

Ambassador Susan Ivanova was still loading info about Vrak, culture, people, history, tech, on her internal harddrive.

Interesting language she though, when the language files were copied.

With her was her personal staff, two secretaries, and eight guards, six mechanically enhanced, two were telepaths.

One hour until they would reach Vrak...

---

So, there they are...

Max Scheibendorf waited in the lounge... finally, he stood up, to meet his 'guests'.

I wonder how this Yul Riou looks like... according to the description...
For a second, he smiled.

[ooc: i didn`t bother to write the landing process, who cares, anyway?]
12-09-2003, 12:17
btw, 100+ would easily be possible, if the plane is large enough... *remembers his giant 1000 passenger planes* anyway:


Umm.... Aern't Vrakians giant intelligent walruses, 100 Vrakian men would be a bit much for a plane, even if 100 Homo Sapiens men are nothing to the same plane.
Alcona and Hubris
12-09-2003, 14:41
btw, 100+ would easily be possible, if the plane is large enough... *remembers his giant 1000 passenger planes* anyway:


Umm.... Aern't Vrakians giant intelligent walruses, 100 Vrakian men would be a bit much for a plane, even if 100 Homo Sapiens men are nothing to the same plane.

OOC: Only the ruling class or about 5% of the population are Wal-Vrakian as my government labels them. The rest are homo sapians...
Der Angst
12-09-2003, 14:48
ooc: i i though it wasn`t meant literally... just that this guy was extremely... fat...

How the hell am i supposed to RP seriously with Walruses T_T

Well, i will try...
Alcona and Hubris
12-09-2003, 14:58
ooc: i i though it wasn`t meant literally... just that this guy was extremely... fat...

How the hell am i supposed to RP seriously with Walruses T_T

Well, i will try...

How do you rp with elves or various other creatures...hell we(nation states) have clones, goddesses, and Orcs running around...sentiant Walruses are not that problemematic...
Der Angst
12-09-2003, 14:59
ooc: i i though it wasn`t meant literally... just that this guy was extremely... fat...

How the hell am i supposed to RP seriously with Walruses T_T

Well, i will try...

How do you rp with elves or various other creatures...hell we(nation states) have clones, goddesses, and Orcs running around...sentiant Walruses are not that problemematic...

Imho there is a BIG difference between a Walcus and an Elf... well, perhaps it`s just me...

*Prepares for comedy relief*
Alcona and Hubris
12-09-2003, 15:12
ooc: i i though it wasn`t meant literally... just that this guy was extremely... fat...

How the hell am i supposed to RP seriously with Walruses T_T

Well, i will try...

How do you rp with elves or various other creatures...hell we(nation states) have clones, goddesses, and Orcs running around...sentiant Walruses are not that problemematic...

Imho there is a BIG difference between a Walcus and an Elf... well, perhaps it`s just me...

*Prepares for comedy relief*
OOC: They are the most anal retentive race on NS...just don't try to seduce one...like our intrepid Wombat News reporters**shudders**
Vrak
13-09-2003, 01:16
ooc: i i though it wasn`t meant literally... just that this guy was extremely... fat...

How the hell am i supposed to RP seriously with Walruses T_T

Well, i will try...

How do you rp with elves or various other creatures...hell we(nation states) have clones, goddesses, and Orcs running around...sentiant Walruses are not that problemematic...

Imho there is a BIG difference between a Walcus and an Elf... well, perhaps it`s just me...

*Prepares for comedy relief*

OOC: Der Angst, one of the main reasons why I made the ruling class a race of highly intelligent, sentient walruses is to remind myself not to take NS too seriously. Besides, Scolopendra, Kalessin, Australian Marsupials, etc... (the various World Court threads) didn't seem to have a problem at all roleplaying with them. Yul himself is around 1500 kg FYI.
Vrak
13-09-2003, 01:16
ooc: i i though it wasn`t meant literally... just that this guy was extremely... fat...

How the hell am i supposed to RP seriously with Walruses T_T

Well, i will try...

How do you rp with elves or various other creatures...hell we(nation states) have clones, goddesses, and Orcs running around...sentiant Walruses are not that problemematic...

Imho there is a BIG difference between a Walcus and an Elf... well, perhaps it`s just me...

*Prepares for comedy relief*

OOC: Der Angst, one of the main reasons why I made the ruling class a race of highly intelligent, sentient walruses is to remind myself not to take NS too seriously. Besides, Scolopendra, Kalessin, Australian Marsupials, etc... (the various World Court threads) didn't seem to have a problem at all roleplaying with them. Yul himself is around 1500 kg FYI.
13-09-2003, 02:25
ooc: i i though it wasn`t meant literally... just that this guy was extremely... fat...

How the hell am i supposed to RP seriously with Walruses T_T

Well, i will try...

lol, At least you know what a walrus looks like, playing Kallessin or other drangons or stranger beasts like elves, you have to go by what the books and ilustrators show, you may be thinking of a Anne McCaffery dragon, all smooth skin like a dry dolphin, while another my be thinking of the dragon as a DragonLance type, sleek and scaled, while another my be thinking spiky and angular, while a chinese player may be thinking of a furry red sausage with teeth and wings.

Elves are just as bad, are they pointy ears and 7 feet tall, pale and slim wearing bright silver/mithril armour? or 5 feet, slim and with brownish green skin and wear green with bows? or the same height as men and indistinguishable other than their ears and blonde hair LOTR style? or are they weird critturs with silver hands and one eye like the Irish myths of the Tuatha Du Danaan?

Orcs? well you can't go far wrong with big, green and with bad breath, they're probably the easiest to play with... lol
Vrak
13-09-2003, 05:59
OOC: They are the most anal retentive race on NS...just don't try to seduce one...like our intrepid Wombat News reporters**shudders**

OOC: I prefer to think of them as bureaucratic-minded and logical. :wink:
Knootoss
13-09-2003, 15:11
OOC: back to topic, can the investigation start?
Vrak
13-09-2003, 16:07
So, there they are...

Max Scheibendorf waited in the lounge... finally, he stood up, to meet his 'guests'.

I wonder how this Yul Riou looks like... according to the description...
For a second, he smiled.

Yul Riou waddled into the lounge area as per the Der Angstian guide. He was accopanied by a sizable retinue: four large men which had "bodyguard" written all over them, a youngish blonde haired man (OOC: empath), and a small, calm man carrying a briefcase. Yul himself was wearing a multicoloured hat and his razor-sharp pointed tusks were capped with ceremonial balls. Following this group were twenty four six heavily armed Vrakian marines lead by a grim-faced Captain.

Upon seeing Max rise Yul bowed and, with a soft but unmistakable growl, said, "Greetings, Max Scheibendorf."

Outside on the tarmac near the C-157, twelve marines were seen establishing a temporary bunker composed of sandbags. A large machine gun could be seen mounted. A T-90 tank rolled out and took up position near the bunker.

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Ambassador Susan Ivanova was still loading info about Vrak, culture, people, history, tech, on her internal harddrive.

Interesting language she though, when the language files were copied.

With her was her personal staff, two secretaries, and eight guards, six mechanically enhanced, two were telepaths.

One hour until they would reach Vrak...

The designated landing strip had been cleared of traffic. The Der Angstian plane was allowed into Vrakian airspace and was accompanied by four MiG-29 fighters. The reception party considered none other than Orith Hagwonak, brother of Ipshi Hagwonak, and a full fledged Ambassador in his own right. With Orith there were two empaths and a full company of heavily armed Vrakian marines.
Der Angst
13-09-2003, 21:05
"I`m honored to meet you." Max Scheibendorf looked curiously at Yul.

Interesting... people.

"I think you will find the preparations satisfying... your hotel is also the place where we installed the headquarters for the investigation, to make things easier. If you would follow me?"

---

Meanwhile, a civilian employee of the airport run towards the bunker that had been set up near the plane:

"He... HE! You can`t do THAT! This is a [i]civilian airport, damnit! You blockade traffic and scare passengers!"

---

Ivanova and her staff looked curious at the Vrakian party.

"Orith Hagwonak, i presume? Susan Ivanova, special ambassador of Der Angst, it`s a honour to meet you."

---

ooc: I originally wanted to immediately bring your empaths into play, but i know little of their abilities.. work they 'automatically', or need they to 'trigger' their counterparts actively? Do they read emotions or active change them, or both, etc etc.?
imported_Kalessin
14-09-2003, 00:47
OOC: They are the most anal retentive race on NS...just don't try to seduce one...like our intrepid Wombat News reporters**shudders**

OOC: I prefer to think of them as bureaucratic-minded and logical. :wink:

OOC: No..I think Alcona and Hubris has gotten it about right!
Vrak
14-09-2003, 07:01
"I`m honored to meet you." Max Scheibendorf looked curiously at Yul.

Interesting... people.

"I think you will find the preparations satisfying... your hotel is also the place where we installed the headquarters for the investigation, to make things easier. If you would follow me?"


Yul and retinue followed Max. The four bodyguards positioned themselves so that they would be able to respond instantly to any threat. The Vrakian marines followed closely behind.

===

Meanwhile, a civilian employee of the airport run towards the bunker that had been set up near the plane:

"He... HE! You can`t do THAT! This is a [i]civilian airport, damnit! You blockade traffic and scare passengers!"


A Vrakian lieutenant levels his gun at the incoming employee and said, "Take up this matter with the Special Envoy and your government. The bunker stays until we hear otherwise."

===

Ivanova and her staff looked curious at the Vrakian party.

"Orith Hagwonak, i presume? Susan Ivanova, special ambassador of Der Angst, it`s a honour to meet you."


Orinth bowed low and replied, "Welcome to Vrak. If you would follow me we can go to your hotel and you can then relax. Then we can begin our investigation at the Dome of Justice itself." Orinth grinned pleasantly to Susan and gestured to the waiting armoured limousines. The Vrakian marines, however, didn't seem especially welcoming at all even though their weapons were at their side (i.e. not pointing at your people).

Susan's retinue were divided up in that there were no more that three members together in each limo with an equal number of marines. The rest of the marines followed in humvees and troop transport trucks as they made their way to the central core of the capital, Vrak Prime.

OOC: Ah...I haven't used these empaths for a while. Anyhow, they can detect emotions (and falsehood) but cannot influence them. They themselves are strongly resistant to outside attempts of control. The hotel that Susan and staff will be staying at will be ultra-luxurious but no more than 4 per room. The rooms themselves will not be beside eachother but have a room between them. As well, each room will have at least 2 guards ouside the doors rotating in 4 hour shifts. Basically, one section of the floor at the hotel has been set aside for your visit.

Vrak Prime itself is a huge (20 million+) city and is mostly composed of dome-like structures. There are, of course, skyscrapers, of which your hotel is one.
Der Angst
14-09-2003, 12:19
It took them ~ half an hour to reach the hotel.

The city the Vrakian 'guests' could see was quite... interesting. Three km high skyscrapers, the giant tunnels that led to the huge underground parts of the city... It was an fascinating, although not a pleasent view.

Finally, they arrived.

"I think we can meet in one hour to discuss our problems, make yourselve familiar with your chambers, if you will follow your guidiances..."

[ooc: you have 31 people there... one room for Yul, one for each of his two more important (or so it seems) attendants, one for his bodyguards, and six for the marines. All quite luxurious.]

When he was alone, he went to his own attendants, sighing.
"Twenty- four marines... what do they think we are? Iesus Christi?"

And if this wasn`t enough, he got another call...

[...]
"WHAT?"
[...]
"Yes, yes, of course, we will talk this over with their delegation... yes, the bunker will be removed.,.. NO! Not by YOU! By themselves."
"Huh?"
"It`s just... don`t ask."

---

*waits for Susan to arrive whereever they are heading too*
Vrak
14-09-2003, 15:18
It took them ~ half an hour to reach the hotel.

The city the Vrakian 'guests' could see was quite... interesting. Three km high skyscrapers, the giant tunnels that led to the huge underground parts of the city... It was an fascinating, although not a pleasent view.

Finally, they arrived.

"I think we can meet in one hour to discuss our problems, make yourselve familiar with your chambers, if you will follow your guidiances..."


Yul bowed to Max and replied, "I'm quite sure the provided accomodations will be satisfactory. If there is nothing else, I look forward to meeting you within the hour."

The Vrakian marines waited for their room assignment. After a brief exchange with Yul (in Vrakian), the Captain assigned his men guard duties.

====

*waits for Susan to arrive whereever they are heading too*

The ride through the bustling city was uneventful. Huge domes could be seen along with smaller domes that appeared to be various small shops along the road. Skyscrapers also could be seen and soon the entourage drew close to one. It was of simple, yet elegant design. The limousines went to a back entrance and soon pulled to a stop.

"Welcome to the Tusk Hotel," explained Orinth, "if you would follow me?"

Orinth lumbered out first, nodded to a marine that looked like a Major who quietly spoke into his mic. Orinth gestured to Susan and then they all followed the Vrakian officer. The marines flanked the entire retinue and they made their way into a special entrance.

...

At the entrance to their rooms, Orinth explained the room arrangments. Susan noticed, with some concern, that the rooms her team would occupy would not be right next to eachother but rather spaced out with two rooms in between. Presumably for all these marines thought Susan.

Orinth then said, "Shall we meet in, say, two hours and then go to the Dome of Justice to discuss this, ah...difficulty?"

OOC: Susan and team are on the twentieth floor. Not bad, but there are some building in the way that partially obstructs a broad, expansive view.
Der Angst
14-09-2003, 16:09
Orinth then said, "Shall we meet in, say, two hours and then go to the Dome of Justice to discuss this, ah...difficulty?"


"That would be perfect." Susan smiled, and then went into her room.

Incredible security. Perhaps they think we are suicide bombers?

Then she watched out of the window.

"Yeah. Incredible view. So much... concrete."
"Feels familiar, doesn`t it?"

Susan ignored the grinning telepaths.

Finally, i get to leave DA, to see something new, and thats the result.

She jumped on the bed, trying to rest for some time.
Alcona and Hubris
14-09-2003, 17:32
To: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
From: Ambassador of Alcona and Hubris to Vrak Prime
Subject: Data and Information on Der. Angst Attack
Due to the recent unplesentness with Der Angst
we would like to send Captain Banes of the ARN with out data on the bombing incident to answer any questions either party may have on the incident.

Ambassador Lock
Stradtgrave of Pasmar
Vrak
14-09-2003, 17:37
To: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
From: Ambassador of Alcona and Hubris to Vrak Prime
Subject: Data and Information on Der. Angst Attack
Due to the recent unplesentness with Der Angst
we would like to send Captain Banes of the ARN with out data on the bombing incident to answer any questions either party may have on the incident.

Ambassador Lock
Stradtgrave of Pasmar

To: Ambassador Lock
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Investigation

Excellent. We look forward to receiving the good Captain.
Alcona and Hubris
14-09-2003, 18:33
Captain Albert Banes of the ARN was in his kaki's. First, they were comfortable, Second most stewardesses warmed to a man in uniform. Unfortunatly, those days were now over...very much over...

I said 'yes', well I love her, it's not like were that diffrent are we? Who am I kidding, I joined the Navy for adventure, now I'll spend my days...well doing this... He thought as he looked out of the airliner's window, down on city below as the plane made it's final turn for a landing...

Well first class is nice, of course I don't have much longer for me to ever sit on a commerical flight again...

He shifted his arm to deal with the handcuffed breifcase next to him...and settled back for the landing.

Vrak Immigration is going to be fun, hell they check my credentials every time I fly back in there...like I'm going to suddenly not be on the embassy staff and still have a diplomatic passport...

The speaker above noted "Ladies, Lords and Gentlemen, Welcome to VrakPrime..."
Vrak
15-09-2003, 04:46
Captain Giorut waited patiently near the customs control booth at Vrak Prime’s main airport. The sight of a fully-armed officer did not seem to bother regular Vrakian citizens disembarking but less militarized nations were somewhat startled.

Banes should be along shortly he thought. Although he never met Banes before he was sure to pick him out of the various passengers that were now streaming in.

====

A knock on the door woke Susan Ivanova up.

“Room service,” said the food delivery person (OOC: the proper name escapes me at the moment)

The door opened and in wheeled a cart laden with various kinds of food. One section was devoted to some unusual looking seafood that appeared to be still…moving.

Accompanying the delivery person was Orinth himself who, with a brisk wave of his flipper, dismissed the delivery person.

Orinth began, “I trust that the food will be satisfactory. Once you’re done we can make our way to the Dome itself. We’ll be taking a chopper and avoid the traffic.”

With that he turned and waddled out.
Alcona and Hubris
15-09-2003, 14:26
Banes waited as the Vrakian noblewoman was finally wheeled out of the central 'pool' in first class and down the gangway. The stewdess was chatting with him, and playing with her hair..."Ah so, do you want to meet for drinks...later." the blond asked, his grey eyes turned to look at her blue and he said "I'm afraid that I'm engaged..." She looked at the wiry 5'-11" officer with brown hair and thought Damn, all the cute ones are taken, and he looks good with that little gold creature on his collar

Albert shook his head disembarking here always is fun He followed down the gangway and into the customs lobby, and walked towards the far right booth, they tended to have the most competent paper pushers. He stood in line behind a family of tourists...who were looking at an armed Vrakian officer at the control booth...I hope Maggie isn't late again, and I wonder who's trying to sneak into Vrak now?
Der Angst
15-09-2003, 15:01
"Interesting..." Ivanova looked at the 'moving' food, with a face, that to describe would be simple impossible.

"And tasty." came it from a corner of the room, where one of the telepaths enjoyed the meal.

Ivanova looked away, disgusted.

Fifteen minutes later, she and her staff, left the rooms, heading for the helipad.

---

It was now 55 min after they had arrived at the hotel, and a maiden arrived at Yuls room:

"I hope you are satisfied with our services." She said with her lovely smile. "However, it seems the time for the meeting has come, if you and your personal staff would follow me? Ah, and btw, Mr. Scheibendorf has told me that the local psychic sensor building is inactive for the time of your visit, he does not intend to invade your privacy." She looked curiously at the Walrus in front of her. Really. Really strange people.
Vrak
15-09-2003, 15:55
Albert shook his head disembarking here always is fun He followed down the gangway and into the customs lobby, and walked towards the far right booth, they tended to have the most competent paper pushers. He stood in line behind a family of tourists...who were looking at an armed Vrakian officer at the control booth...I hope Maggie isn't late again, and I wonder who's trying to sneak into Vrak now?

Captain Giorut caught Banes' eye and began walking purposefully towards him. His pistol was fully sheathed and he smiled as he walked, being mindful of the nearby tourists apprehension. Careful, mustn't scare visitors.

====

"Interesting..." Ivanova looked at the 'moving' food, with a face, that to describe would be simple impossible.

"And tasty." came it from a corner of the room, where one of the telepaths enjoyed the meal.

Ivanova looked away, disgusted.

Fifteen minutes later, she and her staff, left the rooms, heading for the helipad.

The Ka-32T was on its final warm-up when Ivanova and crew drew topside. Orinth said to them in a loud voice above the helicopter's roar, "I apologize for the cramped fit, but the journey is quite brief. There are more helicopters enroute to pick up the rest of your staff Susan Ivanova. Forgive me, and I should have asked this before - but how do you want me to address you Susan Ivanova? Miss or Mrs?"

[insert answer here]

Soon, the helicopter lifted off with Susan, a telepath, a guard and Orinth making their way to the Dome...

OOC: Can't seem to find out exactly how many people a Ka-32T can haul here. Sorry.

====

...."However, it seems the time for the meeting has come, if you and your personal staff would follow me?...

Yul and his staff followed the maiden. As they exited the room Yul exchanged the barest of comments to the Vrakian Captain who then arched his eyebrow.
Alcona and Hubris
15-09-2003, 16:45
Captain Giorut caught Banes' eye and began walking purposefully towards him. His pistol was fully sheathed and he smiled as he walked, being mindful of the nearby tourists apprehension. Careful, mustn't scare visitors.



Now what? thougt Banes as he watched the Vrakian Captain walk towards him.

His vision caught the young girl in front of him trying to hide behind her mother. He was hesident to step out of line, for all he knew the guy was about to ask for directions to the best coccnut shrimp place in Pravata...

"Ah Captain, is there something I can do for you?" He asked as the man walked up to him

Why do these guys unnerve me so? Oh yeah the nation is three times our size and growing faster, What did Liz say "Don't piss off the Wals...they may just sit on you"...very good advice

OOC: Yes I know the Captain is not Wal-Vrak
Vrak
15-09-2003, 16:56
"Ah Captain, is there something I can do for you?" He asked as the man walked up to him...

Captain Giorut stopped and scrutinized Banes.

"Captain Banes? Please come with me. I've been assigned to escort you to the Dome of Justice. We can breeze through customs control once you show them your ID and I work my charm. I realize it's a hassle but these days...." his voice trailed off briefly then he caught himself, "Anyhow, it's quite urgent that you come. I trust your flight was pleasant?"

Giorut smiled to the little girl who managed to overcome her fright and gave a shy smile back.

OOC: Wal-Vrak. I like that. :) Wal-Vrak. Wal-Mart. Wait a minute...What do classify the regular humans as?
Alcona and Hubris
15-09-2003, 17:24
Captain Giorut stopped and scrutinized Banes.

"Captain Banes? Please come with me. I've been assigned to escort you to the Dome of Justice. We can breeze through customs control once you show them your ID and I work my charm. I realize it's a hassle but these days...." his voice trailed off briefly then he caught himself, "Anyhow, it's quite urgent that you come. I trust your flight was pleasant?"

Giorut smiled to the little girl who managed to overcome her fright and gave a shy smile back.

OOC: Wal-Vrak. I like that. :) Wal-Vrak. Wal-Mart. Wait a minute...What do classify the regular humans as?

"Huh, Oh the meeting with Der Angst is now..." He looks up at the cealing for a moment,I wonder if shooting a Ambassador is a capital offence?
He looks back at the Vrakian "Well good I just have my travel kit. Lead on.."

OOC: Well here we get into a problem of defining races....first, the term Vrakians is used to either refer to all Vrakians or just the humans. Walrus Vrakians has tended to be shortened to Wal-Vrak in writting (pronouced Wall-ver-rack). Neither term is considered derogatory while the terms "Wadlers" and "Vak-Drones" are.

Example: The Vrakians are pissed about the Der Angst attack (refers to all citizens of Vrak)
The Vrakian is very drunk (would refer to a human citizen of Vrak since)
The Wal-Vrak is very drunk (would refer to a walrus citizen of Vrak, and a much greater danger to the bar's continued existance) Obviously the derogatory terms are used by people who are in an annoyed state...such as the Skavern and the Adel who vanished into the mists of time...
Vrak
16-09-2003, 02:05
The limousine picked up speed as it turned onto a major freeway. Captain Giorut detected Bane’s unease and offered a fumbled apology and sympathy.

“Yeah. Politicians always making us running around, eh? Oh well.”

The sky began to turn grey, forecasting a cold rain.


OOC: For derogatory, don't forget "sea pigs". AM came up with one. :)
Alcona and Hubris
16-09-2003, 02:47
IC: Banes answered back, "Well, actually the Ambassador isn't much of a politician at all. Vrak is a Royal Privy post, not a Grand Chamber post. Diffrent appointment system. The problem is that he was told to 'groom me.' Ever feel everyone had things figured out long before you...my sister takes me to 'get some culture' and I hit on a pretty girl. Next thing I know I'm looking at being a diplomat for the rest of my life...All I can hope is they don't ask about their fly boys, wait till they here about that..." He realizes he's babling..."Uh sorry, lot on my mind the last day or so..."
He looks out the window, Hmm, tonight is squid night at the embassy

OOC: Actually Sea Pigs is a kids cartoon show in A&H with a group of pirate pigs looking for hidden treasure and such along the coast of Karv. They are chased by a crew of rabbits led by a Walrus, the Walrus is usually right, but the rabbits screw things up...and the pirates are dim wits...
Der Angst
16-09-2003, 09:55
"I apologize for the cramped fit, but the journey is quite brief. There are more helicopters enroute to pick up the rest of your staff Susan Ivanova. Forgive me, and I should have asked this before - but how do you want me to address you Susan Ivanova? Miss or Mrs?"

"Oh, Miss will do it." Susan smiled, although not without some ulterior motives. "Well, lets go."

---

"Ah, Ambassador Yul, glad to see you here in time..." Originally, Scheibendorf intended to shake hands, but quickly realised that this would be a bit... difficult, and instead choosed to bow his head.
"Anything is ready, so, lets begin..." He pointed at the materials that were spread over the table, or, rather, over the complete room. With Scheibendorfer were one telepath, one guard, and half a dozen guys which seemed to be concentrated on sorting the materials (vids, maps, satellite footage, etc) and who looked rather... boring.
Vrak
16-09-2003, 13:12
The helicopter ride over the city was pleasant but brief. Below, Susan could see millions of cars darting about and thousands of domes with the occassional skyscraper. As well, there were greenbelts but not as much as her own capital (OOC: some liberties here). Soon, they neared a fairly large dome enclosed in a square. That is, each side of the square was actually a wall measuring half a kilometer long topped with massive battlements and what appeared to be various kinds of modern weaponry.

Orinth exclaimed, "The walls are what's left of an ancient fortress many eons ago. This is where the last Great Blood War was fought between us and the Evil Polar Bears. You can still see some scratch marks on the outer part of the walls."

The helicopter soon set down, and Orinth followed Susan out. He turned and said, "Please follow me Miss Ivanova. We are presently trying to contact The Djel representatives and are also expecting an Alconian rep soon."

====

Yul bowed and chuckled slightly. "I realize it must be a bit awkward to greet beings that don't have arms. Hence the bow of which you did admirably. Ah...the evidence. Let's get to it, shall we? But first, I'd really like to hear your take on the whole situation Mr. Scheibendorfer."
Der Angst
16-09-2003, 13:51
ooc: some liberties is good, considering that my own capital has less green than Tokyo :P

---

ic:

Interesting history... 'Evil Polar Bears' Susan though, watching the dome.

After they landed, she quickly followed Orinth to the place where the investigation was to be held.

---

"Well, our opinion is quite simple: Due to satellite footage and the information the Knootian forces gave to us, the following seems certain:

1. Dyelli Beybi send in a transport plane on a 'mission of mercy', while, at the same time, a Dyelli Beybi fleet was send to a position near Knootian waters.

2. The plane turned out to be manned with SpecOps who tried to take over the Airport, but failed. While trying to escape with their transporter, the machine blew up.

3. After that, Dyelli Beybi ordered an attack on Knootoss, saying Knootoss attacked 'civilians' on that Dyelli Beybi transporter. His fleet hit Knootian territorial waters, and fired at Knoocap/ The Hague, for ~ 10 minutes. The aims weren`t military aims, but civilians. Civilians who died in this attempt of genocide.

4. Following this attack, we decided to strike back: The first aim was the Dyelli Beybi fleet, which was destroyed nearly entirely. (ooc: a few ships surely survived, considering the size of the fleet) The second aim was to make clear that we do not appreciate attacks on innocent civilians. So we started a bombing raid on Dyelli Beybi, although, unlike Dyelli Beybi, we didn`t try to murder civilians, but instead aimed at targets of military importance.

5. Is where we are now.

Of course, i assume you have your own view of what happened."

Scheibendorf stopped, watching Yul. He didn`t exactly think Yul would appreciate this point of view, however, what else could he do? That [i9was[/i] what happened, and he wasn`t really willing to alter the facts in a few Yul would appreciate.
Vrak
16-09-2003, 14:20
Yul fixed Scheibendorf with a cold gaze and replied in the same, earlier growl, "Let's see what the evidence shows, shall we? I came here with an open mind in that I have no prior knowledge of this entire event. Perhaps I should have asked your opinion later."

OOC: Got any handy links Der Angst?
Vrak
18-09-2003, 01:27
Yul and his team looked at the pile of “evidence” (vids, maps, satellite footage, etc) and thought to himself, I thought these people would have had this all sorted out already.

OOC: I’ll also dig through the links and see what I can come up with.
Der Angst
18-09-2003, 11:30
ooc: didn´t really had the time (ok, i simply was to... lazy) to do it yesterday, did it now:

---

ic:

"Oh, of course we can back it up..." Scheibendorf looked curiously at the othert men in the room, and their response was quick enough:

Here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1344011#1344011) we have the Knootian reports of what happened with Dyelli Beybi`s 'aid'. Unfortunately, we do not have footage, but i`m sure a short visit in Knootoss can clear everything up.

Here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1344385#1344385) we have another report...

Here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1362767#1362767) a nice propaganda broadcast...

Here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1400243#1400243) satellite footage from the fleet and Knoocap being fired upon. The territory sensors were even able to get more detailed footage from the shells hitting Knoocap.

And more footage. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1415770#1415770).

Does this count as 'evidence', Mr. Yul?"
Vrak
19-09-2003, 00:44
Yul, refusing to be baited by Scheibendorf's condescending tone, instead turned his great head and focused on the evidence at hand without comment. His brow furrowed as he began viewing the Knootian reports.

OOC: Ah...gimme some time to take a look at the links. Thank you for providing them.
Vrak
22-09-2003, 07:10
Special Envoy Yul Riou turned to Max Scheibendorf and remarked,

“All very interesting but I’m reminded of the communiqué that a certain Mr. Morden sent to our office. Ah…here it is:

About us bombing Dyelli Beybi: Well, Dyelli Beybi started with bombing US.

We striked back, against military aims.

Thats all.

I don’t see evident of Dyelli Beybi bombing you. The Antonov landed at where… Schiphol international airport which is in Knootoss, correct? So how is it an attack upon your territory?

Perhaps the team in Vrak will reveal more of the story. I’m ready to visit the affected area in Knootoss if you are so inclined.
Der Angst
22-09-2003, 11:33
"With bombing US, Mr. Morden meant our, troops, and our allies (mainly civilians) in Knootoss, Knoocap. See... We and Knootoss ARE allies. When the bombing begun, we were part in a military campaign to free Knootoss from the Dominion. An we regard bombings of our troops our our allies as attacks on US. Simple." He hesitates for a moment, then continues. "However, visiting Knootoss should be a good idea. We can fly everytime."

[ooc: as describing entering the plane, flying, and landing is imho unneccessary... it`s up to you, if all is done, you can mention that we 'just arrived' at Knootoss.]
Vrak
22-09-2003, 15:54
[ooc: as describing entering the plane, flying, and landing is imho unneccessary... it`s up to you, if all is done, you can mention that we 'just arrived' at Knootoss.]

OOC: Agreed. But I don't know Knootoss well enough to describe it so...I'll bump it over to you. :)
Knootoss
22-09-2003, 16:36
OOC: muchos info on my nation on www.knootoss.tk, also imagine this is a beefed up version of the Netherlands.
Vrak
23-09-2003, 06:25
In Knootoss…

The joint Der Angst/Vrak team landed in Knootoss at its capital. Needless to say, the evidence provided by Der Angst troubled Yul Riou. But then again, he thought, this is evidence only from them and Knootoss. There must be third party evidence that I can secure.

Yul looked around at the old buildings and canals. Such a pleasant-looking place.

Back in Vrak…

Both Susan Ivanova and Orith Hagwonak viewed the evidence for a third time, peppering eachother with questions and debating the finer points of the footage.

“Really Miss Ivanova,” exclaimed Orith in exasperation, “I still would like some kind of third party evidence here. That’s why the Alconian rep should be here shortly. As well, this still does not remove the fact that you carpet bombed the entire nation of Dyelli Beybi. What would you do if you were us? We were prepared to commit an all-out attack upon your nation. We may have lost, but your extreme response was uncalled for. Besides, I’ve yet to see any evidence that back up your claim that the bombing on Dyelli Beybi was a SATO sanctioned action. Even if it were, that would mean the costs of compensation wouldn’t have to be shouldered by you alone.”
Der Angst
23-09-2003, 10:15
They quickly drove to The Hague. The view was... pleasent.

Actually, there wasn`t much left of The Hague, the city, once one of the most beautiful places in Knootoss, lay in ruins.

Scheibendorf said nothing, when they drove through the barely usable streets, and left Yul alone with the 'pleasent' view...

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/ba005532/index.jpg

Along the streets, busy working on cleaning them from the wreckage, were countless civilians. Although help arrived daily, many of them were still clothed in rags. One could see the hard faces of young, once happy young girls, who lost their parents during that day...

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/ba007667/index.jpg

Finally, they arrived. Further evidence was shown. Grenades that haven`t exploded when they hit their targets, 32cm 'Giants', of Dyelli Beybi origin. Intercepted and decoded communications between the Dyelli Beybi command and it`s fleet. And, most importantly, survivors of the (mostly) destroyed Dyelli Beybi fleet.

"Now we just have to wait for Knootoss footage of the Airport- incident... I hope they come fast enough."

---

“Really Miss Ivanova,” exclaimed Orith in exasperation, “I still would like some kind of third party evidence here. That’s why the Alconian rep should be here shortly. As well, this still does not remove the fact that you carpet bombed the entire nation of Dyelli Beybi. What would you do if you were us? We were prepared to commit an all-out attack upon your nation. We may have lost, but your extreme response was uncalled for. Besides, I’ve yet to see any evidence that back up your claim that the bombing on Dyelli Beybi was a SATO sanctioned action. Even if it were, that would mean the costs of compensation wouldn’t have to be shouldered by you alone.”

Susan forced herselve to smile, although she grew slightly impatient. "Well... i can understand your interest for third party evidence. I`m pretty sure The Territory, which used sensor drohnes above Knootoss without actively acting in the battles, is acceptable for you, although it`s a SATO- member? Anyway, I, no, we are absolutely willing to accept 'third party' 'evidence' from Klatchian nations as well." She hesitates, in growing anger. "Besides, i can`t remember our forces carpetbombing anything. It was an attack of ~550 bombers, which carried about 10000 tons of missiles, means ~ 2000 tons of explosives. This missiles were used on a rather large part of the Dyelli Beybi coast. They were aimed at military aims [ooc: yes, i know, there was a chance of about ~10% that the aims were really civilian, and a 10% chance that the aim was missed, but hey, our intelligence is not perfect :P] on quite a vast area. Thats hardly what i would call 'Carpetbombing' esspecially not carpetbombing of a complete nation. Not to mention that we do not have the ressources to stage such an atrocity.

As for SATO... well, see, we informed SATO beforehand, and nobody was against it. And actually, to strike back when being attacked is somewhat... natural. And to be honest, we do not intend to rewrite the rules of engagement just to pleasure the Klatchian coast, as impressive as your ressources are." Finally, she stops, and silently congratulates herselve to have kept control.
Vrak
24-09-2003, 01:45
OOC: Huh? I wasn't sure that the Hague was hit but another coastal area. Yul would have had different thoughts if he saw all that. I'll go back and take another look.

edit: Okay. Took a look and DB did shell the capital. But the capital of the Netherlands is Amsterdam, not The Hague. Sorry Knootoss, which city is your capital in NS?

(OOC) They're firing 320mm shells from over the horizon. In total there are 170 II/320 mm cannons in the fleet. The II/ 320 fires about 2 shells a minute, meaning that in 10 minutes the Capitol will be hit with 3,400 shells, each large enough to knock out a building.

Anyhow, it doesn't change anything since I said the plane landed at the capital. Yul should see damage so may I re-edit his reaction? And the italics are meant to be Yul's thoughts - unless you're scanning him, in which case the empath might have sensed it. I'll t-gram you on the empath abilities since I just got an update.
Der Angst
24-09-2003, 10:05
ooc: Nope, i din´t scan Yul, the part about third party was with Orith, who obviously said it :)

At least i don`t find a part where Scheibendorfer mentioned that thrid party stuff towards Yul o.O

As for Knootoss... Afaik Amsterdam is the capital, but the government is in The Hague (RL), for Knootoss in NS... Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, etc. merged to one megacity. The Hague is actually the place where the government resides.

And, due to the fact The Hague is destroyed, i assumed the plane landed somewhere inside Knnocap (Said Megacity), but outside the destroyed The Hague.
Vrak
25-09-2003, 01:01
"Now we just have to wait for Knootoss footage of the Airport- incident... I hope they come fast enough."


Yul Riou looked at the devastated city without comment. His staff empath was undertaking countermeasures in order to prevent stray raw emotions from affecting him.

“Show me more,” he said to Max, “Are there any military installations in The Hague?”

====

Finally, she stops, and silently congratulates herselve to have kept control.

Orinth replied, with a soft yet unmistakable growl, “It is interesting to note that not only was the Dyelli Beybian fleet destroyed but that SATO’s appetite for destruction was not sated. Therefore the targeting of the Klatch was deemed appropriate and, you own admission, unhindered. Is this what we can expect from other SATO nations? Of course it is natural to strike back but one would think that the elimination of the said fleet would have been enough. Did other nations involved in the conflict, such as the Brotherhood of Nod, have their homeland attacked? It seems that this “SATO” feels it can act with impunity towards the FKC.

A request to The Territory shall be sent to from our office. As well, we still await the arrival of the Alconian representative. Perhaps further evidence can shed more light upon this unfortunate incident.”

OOC: It “The Territory” the actual name of the nation? That is, the one located in the “Africa” region.
Alcona and Hubris
25-09-2003, 14:52
Captain Banes walked down the hall following his escort...
Elizabeth was right, this place reminds me of of the underground facilites at Habat, then again we don't have canals running down the middle of the hall The escort opened a door and the Captain entered the room.

The wiry frame stood in his kaki uniform with the golden griffen emblem on his shirt. His blue eyes took in the scene...obviously they are not getting along
Vrak
26-09-2003, 01:39
Orinth turned as Captain Banes strode in.

“Ah…Captain Banes. This is Miss Susan Ivanova, head of the Der Angstian (OOC: right adjective?) delegation sent to investigate this incident. I’m Ambassador Orith Hagwonak.”

The walrus bowed low and then said,

“Perhaps we should break for some refreshments?”
Der Angst
26-09-2003, 13:35
ooc: OOC: It “The Territory” the actual name of the nation? That is, the one located in the “Africa” region. Correct.


ic:

Orinth replied, with a soft yet unmistakable growl, “It is interesting to note that not only was the Dyelli Beybian fleet destroyed but that SATO’s appetite for destruction was not sated. Therefore the targeting of the Klatch was deemed appropriate and, you own admission, unhindered. Is this what we can expect from other SATO nations? Of course it is natural to strike back but one would think that the elimination of the said fleet would have been enough. Did other nations involved in the conflict, such as the Brotherhood of Nod, have their homeland attacked? It seems that this “SATO” feels it can act with impunity towards the FKC.
"Actually, it`s a sad but true thing that in war, you tend to destroy your enemy before he can hit you... we preferred not to wait until the next fleet arrives at Knootoss, and actually, we think we were quite successful. I`m sorry, but if you believe random attacks on random enemies ´don`t cause appropriate answers, well, i`m sure i can help you in awakening from this beautiful dream. Anyway, there is another question... what about the POW´s? Afaik you should have a few of our pilots, while we have quite an amount of Dyelli Beybi POWs... i`m sure an exchange can be arranged shortly?"

---

“Show me more,” he said to Max, “Are there any military installations in The Hague?”


"I don`t know of any, of course Knootian officials will be able to give you more detailed answers, if this should be neccessary."

---

“Ah…Captain Banes. This is Miss Susan Ivanova, head of the Der Angstian (OOC: right adjective?) delegation sent to investigate this incident. I’m Ambassador Orith Hagwonak.”
“Perhaps we should break for some refreshments?”

Ivanova gave a short nod to the Alcona Hubrian delegate, without saying a word. Obviously, she wasn`t yet sure what the meaning of his presence was.
Alcona and Hubris
26-09-2003, 14:18
I'm alone...they didn't throw me off the deep end...they threw me into into the center of the damn sea... Barnes thought as he sat down in the chair
He is a little unnerved at all of this and says..."Yes, your lordship I would enjoy refreshmensts myself" Stall until you can figure out what the hell they are talking abouthe says to himself...
Vrak
29-09-2003, 03:30
"I don`t know of any, of course Knootian officials will be able to give you more detailed answers, if this should be neccessary."

"Of course it is necessary otherwise I wouldn't have asked. Very well, it looks like we need to contact the necessary Knootoss officials," replied Yul.

====

Orinth let the "beautiful dream," comment slide. No sense it getting worked up to their baiting, he thought.

"Regarding the POWs Miss Ivanova, we suggest you contact Dyelli Beybi. We are here to investigate the incident in question only and your nation's response."

Trays of food arrived, laden with seafood and, perhaps to Ivanova's surprise, some cold meats. Orinth, sensing Bane's hesitation said,

"Come Captain. Help yourself and then we can get down to what you have to offer."
The Territory
29-09-2003, 15:01
OOC: That's us - request away.
The Territory
29-09-2003, 16:04
Transport



A hypersonic transport launches from Port Harcourt, escorted by two Falcon fighters and four Peregrine drones. Aboard it men and women, some of who remember the day when this trip would have meant twenty-odd hours in a widebody subsonic tracking around the worldcurves. Also, computing and data storage materials of some sensitivity.



The great dart reshapes itself on approach, flares and touches down with a scream of tires and thermal dumps; the fightercraft stand on their tails and boost for orbit. There is no flame, but a small amount of thunder.



Ground



Out step a team of TSA spooks... er, diplomatic personnel, bulky metal briefcases at the ready. They tend toward being short, compact and muscular, dark-skinned and cat-graceful. Those in the team who don't comform to the stereotype are still in peak physical condition and graceful in a subtly different manner. They wear TAF khakis and open shoulder rigs as appropriate.



The short, dark and compact leader steps up to the reception committe with a smile that carefully doesn't show teeth. "Anwar Winter, Territory Security Agency."
Alcona and Hubris
29-09-2003, 19:17
"Ah well, I was sent with a visual presentation of the incident in question...our radar returns on the aircraft approaching the Delbi coast, launching an missle attack on the coastal defenses and then returning home. I also have our interviews with some hostages we have in custody. The most startling fact was that even though they were fighting Fasta Benj they didn't even attempt to strike at the major port or military facilites of that nation when they were right in the same neighborhood."
He shakes his head, "I can give you three diffrent assesments that are running around about why but...perhaps you can enlighten us?" His eyes seem to lock on to the Der Angst represenative.
Vrak
30-09-2003, 01:58
“Welcome to Vrak Mr. Anwar Winter. I’m Captain Giorut. Sorry for the…uh…circumstances of our two countries meeting. Perhaps the sun will shine in the future, eh?,” remarked Giorut as he cast his eye to the cloudy sky, “Anyhow, would you prefer to go to your hotel now and refresh yourselves before going to the Dome or do you wish to jump right into the investigation?”

The waiting limousines quietly started their engines while the escort Vrakian marines, astride their Vodniks manned their machine guns.


OOC: GAZ 39371 Vodnik is the Russian equivalent of the American hummer, FYI. Sure hope Anwar is a guy because I'm guessing on the salutations. :)
The Territory
30-09-2003, 14:07
Winter clicks his heels and bows. "We are at your disposal, Captain Giorut." Reasonably unmangled name for a rather awful Afrikaans/German/assorted accented English. "Perhaps it would be best if we proceeded to get our equipment set up in the Dome and give a preliminary briefing. We will have to maintain a constant guard on some of the gear - regulations, you understand. Shall we?"





OOC: Yep, he is - I think his brother is named Sekani and his sister Raziya just to add to confusion. Well, they're not here. ^_^ Anyways, the names are Egyptian which may say something about the Territory. Or not.
Der Angst
30-09-2003, 14:25
[...]I also have our interviews with some hostages we have in custody. The most startling fact was that even though they were fighting Fasta Benj they didn't even attempt to strike at the major port or military facilites of that nation when they were right in the same neighborhood."
He shakes his head, "I can give you three diffrent assesments that are running around about why but...perhaps you can enlighten us?" His eyes seem to lock on to the Der Angst represenative.

"Of course i can." Susan smiles. "We prefer to concentrate our actions on single aims, a tactic that is proven to be superior." She hesitates, then continues: "However, i`m worried by the use of the word 'hostage'. I`m sure you mean 'Prisoner of War'?"
Vrak
30-09-2003, 15:41
At a military airbase...

Captain Giorut led The Territory team to the waiting limos and soon they were heading towards the Dome. The Vrakian marines followed in their Vodniks.

At the Dome of Justice...

While Ivanova and Banes locked horns, Orinth received a message from an aide that whispered into his ear. He nodded and then turned.

"Ah...it appears that The Territory has answered our request and has graciously sent a team with more evidence. They should be arriving shortly.

OOC: Short post, sorry. A little sleepy.
Alcona and Hubris
30-09-2003, 16:36
Single aims? So you attack one enemy and leave the other to retaliate? He silently thinks, then replies.
"I'm afraid I don't understand. You sent a massive air attack against one enemy, yet didn't act in any manner to stop a second naval force from Fasta Benj? It almost appears that you wanted to bring the entire FKC in on the war, or that you attempting to break up the Delybian Empire..." I bet they knew that Fasta wasn't as defenseless as Delybi had been left
"As for your desire to have them be P.O.W.'s I'm afraid I don't recall your declaration of war against either the FKC or the Grand Duchy of Alcona and Hubris, which leaves only a few other options.

They can be defined as pirates but then you wouldn't like the result of that category.

They could be labled as spys, but then they would find a much harsher treatment, which leaves us with the hostage catagory."

Oh f*** I better explain fast he thought with sudden clarity

"The definition of a hostage is the category of people who don't have a home nation that we are at war with, or a mercenary. In both cases they are forced to understand that they will no longer engage against us if they are released, known as their Pardon. If they break it, they will be delt with very harshly. As for the traditional 'fee of release' I'm sure we can make it an insignificant amount upon some overall terms between the FKC and SATO."
Der Angst
01-10-2003, 10:05
"I'm afraid I don't understand. You sent a massive air attack against one enemy, yet didn't act in any manner to stop a second naval force from Fasta Benj? It almost appears that you wanted to bring the entire FKC in on the war, or that you attempting to break up the Delybian Empire..."

Ivanova forces herselve to smile, although inside, she is about to explode. "Well, perhaps it seems like we choose our targets in other ways than you would choose. Thats it. I really cannot see what is your problem? Do you want to fight wars with the guarantee that your homeland isn`t attacked? I`m sorry, but that is NOT possible. Face it: Our attacks were within the generally accepted rules of engagement, Unlike Dyelli Beybi`s. If you can`t understand That, well, then you defibnitely have the wrong job."

"As for your desire to have them be P.O.W.'s I'm afraid I don't recall your declaration of war against either the FKC or the Grand Duchy of Alcona and Hubris, which leaves only a few other options.

They can be defined as pirates but then you wouldn't like the result of that category.

They could be labled as spys, but then they would find a much harsher treatment, which leaves us with the hostage catagory."


"Well, I recall a declaration of war by Dyelli Beybi, as public broadcast. Due to the fact that we didn`t Alcona and Hubris, but Dyelli Beybi, your argument is invalid. You have two possibilities: 1. The Klatchian coast is ONE nation, that would mean that you were in war with us by Dyelli Beybi`s declaration of war. This makes them POW`s. Or 2. Dyelli Beybi acted outside the Klatchian federation, this makes your attack against our aircraft illegal, as they didn`t commit an act of war against Alcona and Hubris, and we would demand reparations and the immediate release of the hostages. Your choice." She grins, a certain evil look in her face.

The definition of a hostage is the category of people who don't have a home nation that we are at war with, or a mercenary. In both cases they are forced to understand that they will no longer engage against us if they are released, known as their Pardon. If they break it, they will be delt with very harshly. As for the traditional 'fee of release' I'm sure we can make it an insignificant amount upon some overall terms between the FKC and SATO."

"See above. Either, YOU commited an act of war against us, or the complete Klatchian coast did it. Again, your choice. And it is NOT up to you to demand certain guarantees from our soldiers. And one other thing: If you think you can blackmail us to pay for an release that, by means of international laws, should have happened long ago, you are very much mistaken." She hesitates, her eyes burning. "I`m not sure if i should consider your ridiculous arguments an offense, but beware: I`m subtle, and quick to anger..."
The Territory
01-10-2003, 15:27
At a military airbase...



Captain Giorut led The Territory team to the waiting limos and soon they were heading towards the Dome. The Vrakian marines followed in their Vodniks.


Most of the Territorials aren't big on small talk - Winter is the main exception though his main interest appears to be Vrakian architecture.

[OOC: bit tired here as well so may as well skip to the briefing. Some kind of auditoium OK?]
Vrak
01-10-2003, 15:57
After passing through the massive Outer Wall, the Territory delegation entered the Dome of Justice proper. It was, from the outside, a dome 100 meters high with a 200 meter diameter and made of stone and concrete. Inside, however was different for it had the layout and complexity of an office building. As well, the canals allowing the walrus-kind to travel to and fro was unique.

Captain Giorut led Mr Winter and staff to the meeting room. Upon entering, they could all feel the tension as they heard Orinth reply to Ivanova,

"You seem to labour under an misimpression that many people outside the Klatch fall victim to. Think of it in terms like this; the FKC is one nation, yes, but there is much freedom given within the constitution, even in foreign affairs. So will a single nation such as Dyelli Beybi is free, for the most part, to commit their troops in overseas adventures the FKC will, most assuredly, unite together for a common defense. Really no different than, say, your own single nation committing troops overseas and yet if someone attacked you, would it be unreasonable to assume that nations within Sisgardia would not lend you aid? It boogles my mind as to why some people have difficulty with this simple concept. This hardly makes Alcona's response with their aircraft illegal. Defending a friend is illegal nowadays? Perhaps in your land but not in the Klatch.

But I suppose now that you will say, "Ah ha, what about the POWs?" Well, let's just say that any sensible nation will generally weigh the pros and cons regarding treatment of captured enemies and possible repercussions. I would say that Dyelli Beybi will treat these 'POWs' within accepted rules of engagement. Mind you, I would say that the general consensus within the Klatch is that UN interference is frowned upon."

OOC: The meeting room is of sufficient size to accomodate a middling size meeting. I doubt any more people will show up.
Alcona and Hubris
01-10-2003, 17:47
Okay, she did not take that well
"I know that you may find that annoying, but then we were not formed to please you. We have no coherent foreign policy, we have several states that have fallen into civil war, hell there is a massive history of inter-state conflict. Now you demand that either we follow the Delybian Empire into war, bascily highjacking all of the FKC to the Tsar's policy, or we renounce the existance of the FKC as a nation? Why do you think that joining the FKC is so inviting?

The ability to have massive repercussions if someone retaliates is a very big selling point. Is the Dominion any diffrent?"

He then turns and looks at the Vrakian for a moment. "As for the present status of those in custody of Alcona and Hubris, well they have fallen into a crack in our system due to the screwed up nature of the situation. Someone forgot to ask the question...

If the territorial integrity of the FKC is violated, but for perhaps viable reasons then...what happens to any personel of that country who are captured?

As for the Pardon system, it is a device from the 18th century. A little outdated, but they never have to accept the terms of their pardon, and generally they are released when the 'conflict' is over if they don't. At the moment, peace has been declared between the Dominion and SATO, but what is the situation between the FKC and SATO?

Until things were cleared up, well...the military stuck them away trying to keep them from being demanded by the Empire to become P.O.W's under the Tsar's control. We would have felt troubled if they had been handed over, then eaten by a croc while escaping. They have very large crocs in that part of the world, I'm sure that a group of men and woman who had achived such successes against would have found themselves on a river bank in a isolated location...without any weapons to defend themselves...Of course, at present they are enjoying Alconian Hosptiality, waiting for us to stop bickering about their status and for you to just ask for their release, not a man eating croc near them."
Vrak
02-10-2003, 01:20
“Ahem,” said Captain Giorut, clearing his throat, “May I present Mr. Anwar Winter of the Territory Security Agency."

Orith (OOC: I keep spelling his name Orinth or Orith. Damned Vrakian names!) turned his great head and bowed.

“Let me extend my deepest appreciation Mr Winter towards you and your nation for coming. Hopefully the evidence that you brought can help us understand things more clearly. I am Ambassador Orith Hagwonak.”

OOC: Ah…I’ll contact Knootoss too.
The Territory
02-10-2003, 15:33
In the background two Territorials begin to set equipment up; jacking cables into briefcases, opening one and unfolding displays. Three others stand around the equipment looking alert. After remarkably little fuss, a film display is adhering to much of one wall and going trough a quick self test.





Heel click and bow, that Winter makes look very much not like a jackknife Prussian thing. "I hope we can provide some clarity, sir. As a matter of fact we are all pleased to visit your country. You see, we are also a multispecies culture."
Vrak
02-10-2003, 15:36
"Interesting," remarked Orith, "Please proceed."

He gazed at Ivanova and Banes and said, "Let us observe what Mr. Winter has, shall we?"
The Territory
03-10-2003, 10:37
"Very well. Please observe. Timescale starts at one in one thousand."



A map of a fairly large region, with Knootoss to the right.



"This is where D.B. naval forces enter the theater. Their wakes can be seen in low-resolution photography and radar data from weather satellites basically since leaving port - we can go over that data later. Not being military authentication is less strict, though."



As the D.B. ships close the scale lessens. Several times the accompanying closeup images are updated. There is assorted maneuvering. Then the timescale drops to one in one.



"At this point there is no high-resolution optical camera on the D.B. ships. They are ships, pretty much anything they can do will be obvious from thermal blooming you can't miss if you keep even a low-resolution camera on. Firing begins with single ranging shots... now."



Flares of 320mm cannon.



"At this point we see other assets coming on line as the D.B. fleet becomes more active. Higher resolution cameras, orbital defense radars and collated data from the drone swarm. Note that the shells are present in radar and thermal data."



Lines growing toward the Hague, multiplying as the ranging shots approach target.



"After this point, we can simply observe the flares, follow the shells, note impact location and match that with imagery taken in the same timeframe and with surveys made later."



Winter's voice is quite dispassionate as the recorded impacts continue.



"As for data integrity, our hardware is not available for inspection but the data is. Backing the datasets up should take a day or two. The authentication methods used are public knowledge, I've brought the relevant articles and specifications."
Der Angst
03-10-2003, 12:57
...

"We are absolutely aware of the 'Klatchian constitution', or whatever you call it, the problem is, in fact, your hypocrisy when using it. You seem to think it`s a shield, to cover behind when something goes wrong, and that is, unfortunately, not true."

In this moment, the territory delegation appears, and Ivanova gives them a short nod. Finally, someone sane.... she thinks.

Listening to the Alcona and Hubris ambassador, Ivanova can`t hide her (slightly sarcastic) smile. "My my, is this a threat? Believe me, i would rather fear for the crocs than for our people... Anyway, giving your people freedom in foreign affairs while being a single nation seems to be a bit of... well, a risk. As you can see by the fact that we are all here, together."

She glanced at the Territory delegates, and decided that it was time to stop.

"However, i think we will see the truth shortly."
Alcona and Hubris
03-10-2003, 14:43
The Captain (OOC: who is not an ambassador) looks at the data being presented and humps..."Bloody twits...what is the tactical advantage of that...typical of them...what the hell did they expect to achieve? Force SATO to it's knee's..." He rolls his eyes in the back of his head.

"You know, I'm afraid that you would never be able to tell the diffrence between the Royal Alconian Navy and the D.B. forces at this distance, or even Vrakian. And what is the resolution on that system? One of the most important things is to understand who is who is your enemy, who is neutral, and who is trying to be helpful" He isn't looking at the Territory representive during this comment, but Der Angst represenative.
Knootoss
03-10-2003, 17:59
The Hague, Knootcap
The representatives from Der Angst and Vrak were walking through the Indian neighbourhood of The Hague. This neighbourhood had been hit hard, and little remained of the old quaint housing. To the right and left of the delegation people were clearing up and gathering their belongings from the ruins. The party was making its way to the ruins of the ministry of Defence further down the road. There, in the warroom below the ministry a meeting had been planned with General de Kaste and some Knootian officials

The Angstian named Max Scheibendorf looked around as they saw the entrance to the ministry: Interesting view... well, rebuilding the nation will make jobs, so it`s not all that bad... "Ah, general de Kaste... I assume you know why we’re here?" The general nodded. Yul Riou bowed to the Knootian officials waiting near the entrance and said, “I’m Special Envoy Yul Riou representing the nation of Vrak. I’m honoured to meet you.” General de Kaste, who had combed his moustache, shook the flipper and hand of both Riou and Scheibendorf. "Good to meet you both" The old Knootian general also looked at Yul intently, as he had never seen the sentient giant Walrus like that. "Is there anything you need to be accommodated here Sir?” he asked. "Ah," replied Yul, "I think I can manage." The general rubbed over his upper lip, as his moustache itched: "Well then, gentlemen, please follow me." Scheibendorf commented as they went inside: "It’s an honour... impressive work you have done, considering what happened just so shortly ago..."

The men were led though an underground bunker complex under the ministry. As they walked though the well-lit halls the Knootian general commented on its design: "this baby was built to be completely NBC-free. You may have noticed the entire ministry on top being destroyed, yet this bunker held." He turns his head to see if the others are listening. Yul dips his head once to indicate that he was indeed paying attention. Scheibendorf listens interestedly, although not really convinced if this is useful or not. "Well... we don’t really pay attention to bunkers, we care more for speed... cultural think, I presume." De Kaste replies enthusiastically: "Well, it did work for us. The Dominion did not even notice it. This thing simply has to be safe. Our central CAESAR computer system is stationed here, as well as military high command. Obviously we did not expect our capital to be attacked still." He continued to lead to both men around as they passed a small elevation in the hallways and moved towards a side wing of the bunker: "I suppose, Knootians never had much fondness of the entire rapid strike concept." "Well... the result can be seen above us... anyway, I think there are more pressing matters than war stories?” Scheibendorf said. The Vrakian Envoy gave a sideway glance to Max and slightly grinned. Max noticed the grin, not really sure how to react, and decided not to react at all. De Kaste remained enthusiastic: "Patience please, Mr. Scheibendorf, we will be there momentarily." They passed another security port. "Authorisation De Kaste Gamma 54", the old general said tediously. The female voice of CAESAR could be heard resounding in the hallways: "Authorisation approved. Please enter."

The three walked though the port and entered a small meeting room. A round table has been arranged for and there is coffee and tea waiting. Yul asked, "Ah, would it be okay if a larger coffee mug be provided for myself? I don't know how my colleague Jur can manage champagne glasses but I'm all flippers." Max Scheibendorf sat down and replied: "I’m sure the Knootians have anything necessary, considering they are free for everyone..." General de Kaste nodded and pressed a button under the table: "CAESAR; arrange for the catering to bring a larger mug please. And tell them to be a straw too."

Yul planted himself near the table, occupying a good portion. The Knootian General sat down as well, and cuts to the case. "Well gentlemen, what did you want to talk to me about?" Max eyed Yul: "Well, I think it’s this gentleman who has quite a few questions for you."

Yul asked, "Well, I'm glad to see that you're a straightforward human. So I shall be with you as well, are there any military installations in your capital Knootcap?” The general frowned: "Ah, I had heard that was the source of a dispute. Well, to tell you the truth we do have military bases around the city. The closest one from here is on the border between The Hague and the border with the village of Wassenaar. The first troops against the Dominion were mobilised from there." His face became serious as he lowered his eyebrows: "But the Dyelli Beybians did not target military bases, they targeted the entire city."

Max added: "Oh, and btw... any footage on the DB Transporter incident, which led to the declaration of war, would be nice, too, as we weren’t able to acquire anything of that sort."
"Ah, Max. You are referring to the civilian Dyelli Beybian aircraft landing at the airport, correct?" said Yul "Indeed. As far as we know, that decides on who is responsible for the war, Knootoss or Dyelli Beybi." Yul answered hesitantly: "Hmmm, that is certainly a key part within the investigation." De Kaste frowned even more now and eyed both men gloomily: "Well, obviously the Dyelli Beybians were responsible. They advanced on our coast with a huge fleet, and then demanded that a plane land on Schiphol. "Apart from the fact that it was a violation of our airspace, that they sent an invasion fleet to supposedly do that clarifies their intentions." If you need proof, an Endlessian satellite picked up the inner workings of the plane. They were clearly preparing to attack." Max asked the General: "Satellites that can probe into a plane's frame at rest?" "Yes, but I am sure you are familiar with SATO capabilities."

Yul said: "Yes, they sent the plane to pick up DB citizens within your capital." De Kaste coughed: "in the interest of peace we agreed, but the plane was in fact loaded with military units: troops, tanks. And they engaged local military that had been assigned there..." "…Any civilized nation would hardly refuse that request, would they? I think military units could be justified since, as I understand it, your country's security situation was deteriorating rapidly" De Kaste snivels: "Sir, do you consider a carrier fleet to extract some citizens "justified"?" The walrus replies thoughtfully: "I suppose it depends on the situation and how many civilians need to be evacuated. I don't think probing into a plane's interior will necessarily mean the intent is known." General de Kaste gets argumentative: "In fact, the plane was filled with military units. I doubt that these citizens would even fit inside. And the situation on the airport was even stranger. They simply refused to acknowledge or communicate."

Max Scheibendorf decided to intervene and changed the subject, cutting off any reply: "Of course, I’m sure the Knootians have recordings of the communications for Mr. Yul?" De Kaste’s tone became more professional: "Yes we do. In fact we were contacted by the Endlessian embassy about this beforehand,” the general said as he handed Yul a tape
Yul looks at the tape intently: "And how do I know that this tape hasn't been altered?"
Max quickly said: "You can test it. Alterations can always be found." "Hmmm, of course."

"Do you have any further questions?" the old general asked Yul. The walrus thinks: "For now, no. May I contact you if something comes along further in the investigation?” He wavers: "Actually, I have one more question. Can you show me any shells that impacted that show they came from the Dyelli Beybian fleet? He added: "I wonder if all the shells exploded or if there are some that didn't upon impact."

"There were thousands of shells. A team of experts from CACE is busy disarming them.
Celdonians I believe. I'm sure we can have one sent over. What do you want to know about them really?" Yul: "I would like to see the shell before it is send over. Well, I want to see if those shells are the ones that Dyelli Beybi uses." Max shrugged: "We can surely find some of them outside..." De Kaste thought for a second: "Oh, you can walk over to the team disarming the shells if you want to. But I am on a tight schedule. Tanya could go with you." "Very well General, that would be acceptable."

De Kaste pushed the button again: "Tanya, please come here will you? I'd like you to show the Vrakians some of the shells that landed in The Hague." Over the intercom a faint "Yes Sir, will be right there." could be heard. He continued: "If you stumble on more questions just contact the ministry of defence and mention my name. Or if you only need intelligence information the AIVD is at your disposal. Their effectiveness is not as renowned as that of the Monahoose but they do their job." "occasionally, if they stumble on something by accident", he added in his mind. The Walrus stood up: "Thank you General. You've been most helpful and I'm sure a swift end can be reached soon. After viewing the loading of the shell I have to make my report in Vrak."

The general showed Scheibendorf and Yul out, and they saw a beautiful young woman waiting for them. She introduced herself as special assistant Tanya: "Gentlemen? I heard you wanted to see some shells?" The young woman asked, smiling charmingly at Scheibendorf. Yul replied formally: "Greetings Special Assistant Tanya. Yes, I would like to see them and inspect the transfer of them." The party was led aboveground and they smelled the fresh air again. However they could also smell the unpleasant odour of smoke that still hung over the city. "I suppose we'd best just visit the disarmament team.” Tanya said as she took a turn into a small street at a brisk pace. "Well... if they’re all as beautiful as you are...” Scheibendorf commented. Tanya blushed slightly. "Thank you,” she says as she winks to the Angstian. Scheibendorf smiles at Tanya. What a nice woman... wonder when I could visit Knootoss again.

Yul gamely followed the pair. As the delegation went on, they passed another small side street were workmen were shovelling away rubble out of what used to be a house. Only the first floor remained, and he entire front had been ripped off. Scheibendorf noticed the workmen had Asian features and were speaking in Xiuangese. 'Not bad... exploiting CACE labour force to concentrate on more important areas...', he thought. Yul looked about and thought to himself this devastation hardly compares to our own Great Blood Wars

"We should be here momentarily", Tanya said. A small building that is only slightly damaged came in view. She turned her head to see if she wasn’t going too fast. She noticed Yul the giant Walrus is lagging a bit behind. Yul said: "Don't worry on my account." as he heaved his great frame over the rubble. "Okay then", Tanya said as she smiled politely. She then exchanged a quick look with the Angstian and her eyes tingle. Scheibendorf returned the look, somewhat amazed. The beauty of war...

They entered the small building and saw shells piled up against the wall. Celdonian and Knootian safety experts were working together on disarming them. Tanya nodded to one of the Knootians and then turned to Yul: "Will one of these do?" Yul nodded, "Certainly." "Would you prefer a disarmed one or one that is still active?” she pointed to another pile. Yul growls, "A disarmed one is preferable I would think." Scheibendorf grinned: "Oh... where’s the thrill of battle using a safe one?" Tanya chuckled: "You're funny". Yul replied, "Your concern is touching Max. I'll do well to remember it."

Tanya approached one of the Knootians and they entered a rapid conversation in Dutch. After a minute or so the Knootian stepped on a forklift and moves one of the shells. She then turned to Scheibendorf and Yul: "This man will move the shell to the airport. You can accompany him if you'd like? The Vrakkian Special Envoy turned to Tanya and remarked, "Thank you for your assistance. You have been most...helpful." "May we see each other in the future... under... more pleasant circumstances." Scheibendorf winked to Tanya.

The delegation makes way for the airport…
Der Angst
03-10-2003, 18:12
"You know, I'm afraid that you would never be able to tell the diffrence between the Royal Alconian Navy and the D.B. forces at this distance, or even Vrakian. And what is the resolution on that system? One of the most important things is to understand who is who is your enemy, who is neutral, and who is trying to be helpful" He isn't looking at the Territory representive during this comment, but Der Angst represenative.

Ivanova is well aware of the sarcasm, but doesn`t care to much... "Indeed. Thats why we should listen to The Territory, as it`s surely willing to help you. Anyway, communications can be backtraced. And we have of course proof of the DB fleet communications, meaning that we have proof that the fleet of the Territory pictures is indeed the Dyelli Beybi fleet... if you want to risk a look..."

She searches for a moment in her materials, then shows the captain the graphs, pictures, and calculations with which the origin of the communications was traced back, as well as decodings of the encoded messages.

[ooc: both possible in RL, since, ummm, WW1 or 2. Of course, the decodings to find out it`s really Dyelli Beybi took some time, luckily, the war is over since a few days, so we had the time :))
Alcona and Hubris
03-10-2003, 18:55
OOC: It was far less sarcastic and more dead serious...
IC:
She as dense as basalt He realizes...I try to give hints but only me falling on the f**** floor and asking for forgiveness is all she wants...women...I wonder if she's actually a Dellbyian agent in disguise He just shakes his head and looks at the scene, "Listening is a skill" is all he says, with no emotion.

OOC: Nothing technically wrong with what she said...but the comment was not *really* about that.
Vrak
04-10-2003, 20:19
Back in Der Angst...

Yul supervised the loading of the disarmed shell onto his transport plane as well as the tear down of the temporary bunker. Soon, he will be leaving for Vrak with the evidence that he managed to acquire and meet up with his colleague Orith at the Dome of Justice.
Der Angst
04-10-2003, 20:34
"Finally..."

The airport personal was relived.

"This damn tank... our guests were more than distracted..."
"Well, at least, we have had an exotic view..."
"Yeah... can`t believe we made half a million with selling "Watch the sentinent walrus!" tickets..."
Vrak
04-10-2003, 20:36
OOC: Ugh. You had cameras follow Yul around? He was the only walrus there. :)
Der Angst
04-10-2003, 20:50
OOC: Ugh. You had cameras follow Yul around? He was the only walrus there. :)

ooc: You didn`t notice the racks beneath the airfied with a few tens of thousand people behind them? :P
Vrak
04-10-2003, 20:52
OOC: Guess not. :P Besides, isn't it time for Ivanova to blow a gasket yet?
Der Angst
04-10-2003, 21:05
OOC: Guess not. :P Besides, isn't it time for Ivanova to blow a gasket yet?

Not yet, but i look forward to it ;)
The Territory
05-10-2003, 01:10
"You know, I'm afraid that you would never be able to tell the diffrence between the Royal Alconian Navy and the D.B. forces at this distance, or even Vrakian. And what is the resolution on that system? One of the most important things is to understand who is who is your enemy, who is neutral, and who is trying to be helpful" He isn't looking at the Territory representive during this comment, but Der Angst represenative.

At this, Winter makes a discreet gesture and some of the higher-resolution pictures reappear.

[OOC: There's generally a quite low resolution, but individual objects have at some times had better pictures taken of them. So there might be a number of high-res pics of a ship, showing things like numbers, flags, crewmembers... and a continuous record of the object's movements.]
Vrak
05-10-2003, 06:31
In the skies…

The modified C-157 wings its way back to the capital Vrak Prime. A trouble Special Envoy, along with a platoon of heavily-armed marines near Vrak with their cargo of evidence. On the ground, arrangements are being made to transfer the cargo to the Dome of Justice.

At the Dome of Justice…

Orith pays keen attention to the exchange between Captain Banes and Ms. Ivanova and also the neutral testimony from Mr. Winter. I really do wonder why this Ivanova thinks we are hypocritical. Do not other nations within a region ask fellow regional members for help if they are under attack? Do not fellow nations band together for a common defense? Our behaviour is no better or worse than countless others. She is hung up on legalities and therefore she is foolish.
Vrak
06-10-2003, 00:59
Orith, after viewing the actions of the Dyelli Beybian fleet then asked Mr. Winter, “Do you suppose you could show us which targets the 550 bombers from Der Angst struck Dyelli Bebyi? I really would like to know if they were precision strikes with their 2 000 tons of explosives. I would also like to see if only military targets were struck. As well, it is nice to know that Der Angst admits that they are currently unable to carpet bomb an entire nation but they probably could carpet bomb a certain area of Dyelli Beybi – such as this instance the coast. Remember, this strike by Der Angst was just one strike. I wonder what degree of cruelty they are capable of if they came back for a second one.

OOC: Just a reminder of Der Angst’s ooc remarks about this: [ooc: yes, i know, there was a chance of about ~10% that the aims were really civilian, and a 10% chance that the aim was missed, but hey, our intelligence is not perfect ]
Alcona and Hubris
06-10-2003, 01:08
"You know, I'm afraid that you would never be able to tell the diffrence between the Royal Alconian Navy and the D.B. forces at this distance, or even Vrakian. And what is the resolution on that system? One of the most important things is to understand who is who is your enemy, who is neutral, and who is trying to be helpful" He isn't looking at the Territory representive during this comment, but Der Angst represenative.

At this, Winter makes a discreet gesture and some of the higher-resolution pictures reappear.

[OOC: There's generally a quite low resolution, but individual objects have at some times had better pictures taken of them. So there might be a number of high-res pics of a ship, showing things like numbers, flags, crewmembers... and a continuous record of the object's movements.]

The captian just nods at the images. "Very little overlap in Naval equipment. I think we only share some similar battleship designs with Vrak. A simple edge detection on your original images would likely show the diffrences in classes, and who's navy it belongs to."

OOC: Read a paper on trying to do that with low resolution images, never got much of anywhere the last time I knew...
Der Angst
06-10-2003, 10:32
ooc: actually, a certain area to carpetbomb wouldn´t exceed the size of, say, Berlin. Remember, bombers are very small, while nations are very big.

Not to mention that a single carpetbombing isn`t 100% successful, you need to come back at least one time to guarantee complete destruction. And that is, if there are fortunate circumstances which make the bombing easy.

This also means that i really didn´t carpetbomb the coast... several targets were hit... ships, facilities, etc. Normally by more than one missile, but widespread, so not more than a few (ok, sometimes a few dozen ^_^) explosions in relatively small areas, with rather large areas between this smaller areas where nothing happened.

Now for an ic excuse for an ooc post...

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ic.

Ivanova took a sip of her cold water, trying to calm down...
The Territory
07-10-2003, 15:10
Orith, after viewing the actions of the Dyelli Beybian fleet then asked Mr. Winter, “Do you suppose you could show us which targets the 550 bombers from Der Angst struck Dyelli Bebyi? I really would like to know if they were precision strikes with their 2 000 tons of explosives.



"M. Orith, I'm sorry to say that we'd only have very low resolution imagery of the D.B. coast at that time, and none of it here." A shrug. "Basically weather satellite data. Pinpointing fires to within a few dozen meters should be doable, and there'd be hints as to what was burning. But it'd not be as well authentivated as the military data you see here."



The captian just nods at the images. "Very little overlap in Naval equipment. I think we only share some similar battleship designs with Vrak. A simple edge detection on your original images would likely show the diffrences in classes, and who's navy it belongs to."



OOC: Read a paper on trying to do that with low resolution images, never got much of anywhere the last time I knew...



Winters replies, not even having the decency to look annoyingly smug. "Ah, these high-resolution images are originals captured by low flybys, reconnaisance aircraft or the like Some enhancements done..."

A gesture and somewhat inferior images appear, "But the original files remain. We don't have a continuos high-resolution record, but confusing ships would involve some highly improbable technology. Once they entered our drone umbrella, there was pretty much no room for mistaking identity."



[OOC: The continuous record barely shows objects smaller than ships, call it 10m*10m resolution at worst and it varies - it's a very dispersed system. There's a lot of higher-resolution images as well, from when an asset with better cameras was scheduled to look at the ships and from when they did something noteworthy like firing. Some lag on the latter of course.

The obvious weakness is in tying high-res imagery to the continuos observation - but there is a lot of authentication involved. Almost as if the system's designers expected people inside the system to try to abuse it as a matter of fact.

The sizes of the datasets involved is obviously obscene, as is the presence of thought control and/or a very accomodating AI, sapient or not.]
Alcona and Hubris
07-10-2003, 16:15
"Oh yes, yes...I guess your low resolution is a bit low for the edge detection of some craft. Your system is just dependent on having drones do close in idenfication vs once source identification. I think I should note that we all agree that is the Deyllian fleet. One of their typical formations actually." The Alconian just waves off the argument, as though a tanget he wasn't really intrested in.

OOC: 10m by 10m resolution?? That seems a bit low for what most cameras digital cameras are capable of even at high temperal resolution. I'd have thought 1m by 1m would be realistic...
Vrak
08-10-2003, 06:59
Orith looked at Ivanova and then remarked,

“Well, we don’t have to decide everything today. I expect my colleague Yul Riou should be back in a day or two with some more evidence. Then the FKC will be able to make a decision.”

"M. Orith, I'm sorry to say that we'd only have very low resolution imagery of the D.B. coast at that time, and none of it here." A shrug. "Basically weather satellite data. Pinpointing fires to within a few dozen meters should be doable, and there'd be hints as to what was burning. But it'd not be as well authentivated as the military data you see here."

Turning to Mr. Winter Orith said, “That would be fine. Let’s all see what you have. I’m sure we could compare the fires to a map of Dyelli Beybi and make some educated guesses.”
The Territory
08-10-2003, 15:45
"Oh yes, yes...I guess your low resolution is a bit low for the edge detection of some craft. Your system is just dependent on having drones do close in idenfication vs once source identification. I think I should note that we all agree that is the Deyllian fleet. One of their typical formations actually." The Alconian just waves off the argument, as though a tanget he wasn't really intrested in.



"Very well Captain - then I would contend that all that remains to argue for is that the recordings of firing and trajectories are authentic and consistent with Hague footage and surveys. Do you concur?"



Turning to Mr. Winter Orith said, “That would be fine. Let’s all see what you have. I’m sure we could compare the fires to a map of Dyelli Beybi and make some educated guesses.”



Again a restrained gesture. "We are downloading processed data now. Can we assume for now that it is authentic and proceed with analysis." He turns to Ivanova. "Do you have any objections to us providing low-quality data on the bombing, Commander?" [OOC: Or whatever rank, will edit.]



OOC: 10m by 10m resolution?? That seems a bit low for what most cameras digital cameras are capable of even at high temperal resolution. I'd have thought 1m by 1m would be realistic...



[OOC: It's slightly pessimistic, but I think a guaranteed 10m*10m resolution (generally single meters) is reasonable for this sort of system. It uses enormous numbers of cheap high-altitude microdrones as primary gatherers and huge processing power to tie the data together, and there are other assets that provide high-quality data. The system has a good framerate, is massively redundant and reasonably economical, and I think it's fairly cool use of ubertech.



Limiting it to that resolution is also an OOC decision - I guess I could claim better but the Perfect Eye In the Sky Tied To AI Brains thing can get godmodish. And it's supposed to be cheap. Well, cheap as such things go...



But then, I'm not a real computer scientist. :D
Der Angst
09-10-2003, 09:57
Again a restrained gesture. "We are downloading processed data now. Can we assume for now that it is authentic and proceed with analysis." He turns to Ivanova. "Do you have any objections to us providing low-quality data on the bombing, Commander?"

"Oh... no, not really. Although i doubt we will see much, considering the widespread, relatively small explosions."
Knootoss
11-10-2003, 19:37
*curious BUMP*
Vrak
13-10-2003, 01:17
....
Vrak
13-10-2003, 01:18
"Oh... no, not really. Although i doubt we will see much, considering the widespread, relatively small explosions."

“I wonder how any civilians would feel about the 'small' explosions,” Orith wondered aloud.

OOC: Actually, I’m waiting for the Territory to explain the footage and analysis here. Then I think we could probably wrap this up soon.
The Territory
13-10-2003, 10:46
Winter appears to ponder for a while. "I would contend that the data from the Knootian theater speaks for itself regarding D.B. actions. The imagery relating to the Angstian bombardment of D.B. is far inferior, however." Pictures showing very blurred thermal signatures of fires.



"We can map those fires and what appears to be damaged areas in later footage onto earlier surveys, though. Not 100% reliable, but good enough to work the statistics and see what the emphasis of the bombing was."



A brief analysis appears.



[OOC: That would look like:



35 Petroleum stores

12 Military airfields

115 Railroad switches

24 Bridges



Or whatever was appropriate. And depending on how good Angst targeting was, there'd be things like.



4 Public schooling (?)

<Blahongan> Embassy

45 We don't know what the hell this is but it looks civilian.]
Vrak
14-10-2003, 02:07
Orith pondered the analysis from The Territory representatives.

“Very interesting,” murmured Orith, wondering what his Alconian colleague would say.
Der Angst
14-10-2003, 10:03
Ivanova once again sipped from her water, waiting for the reactions from her Klatchian hosts...

Damn, i knew this new optical guidiance didn`t work as well as this Kusanagi assholes said.
Alcona and Hubris
14-10-2003, 14:57
The captain didn't say much other than..."And not one hit on a naval yard, factories yes, fuel oil yes, and a good number of...civilian buildings. And it appears wipping out some of the younger arosocracy with those two schools." Finally, he turns and looks at the Vrakian..."Can I speak in private with you for a moment."
Vrak
14-10-2003, 15:20
Orith replied, "Of course."

Then turning to his remaining guests he said,

"Would you please excuse us for a moment? As well, if you require anything please let my aide know."

At this, a man who had been at Orith's side during the proceedings waved. Orith and Captain Banes then exited into the hallway.

OOC: Not too unreasonable to think that a fairly high-ranking government official such as Orith would have some dudes hanging around.
Alcona and Hubris
14-10-2003, 16:40
Captain Banes closed the door behind him...and looked at the water channel down the center of the hall. "It is obvious to me that their attack was not an exercise in tactical removal of a threat. But retribution for the attack of the Imperial Fleet. I see two problems here, with what the Imperials did at Knotoss was over the top. And Der Angst response was far more restrained, but still my future In-Laws are not going to think that we should allow such attacks against the Coast to go on. But the Tzar and his empire are a liability in this, they need to have been punished for such a flagrant act."
Vrak
15-10-2003, 15:02
Captain Banes closed the door behind him...and looked at the water channel down the center of the hall. "It is obvious to me that their attack was not an exercise in tactical removal of a threat. But retribution for the attack of the Imperial Fleet. I see two problems here, with what the Imperials did at Knotoss was over the top. And Der Angst response was far more restrained, but still my future In-Laws are not going to think that we should allow such attacks against the Coast to go on. But the Tzar and his empire are a liability in this, they need to have been punished for such a flagrant act."

Orith studied Banes carefully and then, after a deep sigh, replied,

“And what should we do Captain? Begin a war? This would be something that I’m sure the Der Angstians would relish and leave ourselves further vulnerable to external threats. Dividing the Klatch over this issue is not something that should be done. There must be other options open. I don’t trust these Der Angstians one bit. But at least they were diplomatic enough to respond to our initiative for a joint investigation.

I would suggest that a POW exchange take place. As well, I’m sure the Der Angstians would like us to pay some form of compensation to the Knootian government, but then again, that is not for Der Angst to decide. Let Knootoss ask if they are so concerned. As for the bombings on Dyelli Beybi, I agree with your assessment with the evidence that The Territory provided. So it comes down to a number crunching game. We could either demand compensation for the civilian targets that were hit in Dyelli Beybi or both sides could call it even and just walk away.

As for future behaviour of Klatch nations, well, we could leave that up to constitutional matters. Frankly, I’m still puzzled as to why other nations seem to think we behave so differently than they do. I’m sure a nation from Sisgardia would call upon their regional members for help if they found themselves in deep water, so why should we be any different? And what does that slip of a girl know about war? Vrak has, for the first time in many year enjoyed a period of peace. Before that, it was the Great Blood Wars, of which she knows nothing about. Anyhow, what do you think?
Alcona and Hubris
15-10-2003, 20:28
Note I'm ignoring the constituional question in this. "I'm afraid Der Angst assumes a level of responsiblity to us in this. Which is why they can't see the diffrence in the trees in forest. Like most people she sees things through the lens of her own cultural institutions. I doubt if she could even name the first Holy Roman Emporer, let alone understand the poltical dynamics of such a decentralized government. Our power is vested in the States, not the nation as a whole."
He opens the case he was carrying and pulls out a sheet. "This was a decoded communication that I found especially prertinant." He points to a line of text, "They see each State as a province, nothing more than an appendage to the central government. In reality, the central government is the mass appendage of the States. Designed to protect us from outside aggressions and ourselves. On their world veiw, They assume that Parliment turned a blind eye to the matter. I doubt if she has ever read our constituion" He shakes his head.

"In truth, Parliment was so divided over the issue that it was deadlocked. Not even the hot head in there could seriously want a four billion population nation being brought into the fight against them. I've been trying to hint that Alcona and Hubris is sympathetic, but I might as well be trying to cut basalt with a butter knife, as get through any suggestions into that skull of hers. I'm not sure what Der Angst should have done, a little more diplomacy pre-attack may have just gotten Parliment to ignore the attack, or even present this evidence to the President, he may have actually called Parliment back to vote for a Military Attaintment of the Imperial forces (OOC: This is based on my recent workings of the constitution see FKC board) The vote wasn't there before hand, but even the Durkians would have thought the mass bombing was signs of bad military judgement." He sits on a bench used by retainers waiting outside the offices.
"Hell, I say that the damage is a wash...we offer the consideration of a full FKC non-agression treaty to Der Angst. As for reperations, the Tzar is going to inflate his, and Knotoss is in bed with Arda, which will piss of Lords of War to no end. I have no care to put those two in bed together, tell Der Angst to place it's funds in it's ally, not paying some round rosie of retributions and heated arguments over inflated costs."

OOC: You have had more conversation with Der Angst, but did he/she even look at the regional page before attacking?
Vrak
16-10-2003, 01:09
“Hmmm,” murmured Orith, “A full non-aggression treaty would have to be with the entire region of Sisgardia with the FKC. But I’m sure that would take a long time to go before each of our respective governmental systems. Either way, I care not for how Der Angst, or anyone else for that matter, views how the FKC governs itself. The FKC is a product of its own cultural, military, and political development and if Der Angst is even slightly respectful of a nation’s sovereignty then they should leave it at that. I am amused at how these other nations try to level charges at the FKC while realizing that their own region could be guilty of the exact same behaviour. To me, that is hypocritical.

“And you are right about Der Angst not seeking a diplomatic solution. Basically, their bombing action is signaling that they think the Klatch cannot take care of its own members. I’m sure they justify it by “rules of engagement during war” but they risked drawing the entire Klatch into that conflict. That slip of a girl doesn’t know how much danger they were really in. And as if the FKC doesn’t have other allies it can call upon. Bah.

“Anyhow, I support a full non-aggression treaty with the region of Sisgardia but if Ms. Ivanova balks, then I suppose to move the process along, a non-agression treaty with; Der Angst, Knootoos, Vrak, Alcona and Hubris, Dyelli Beybi, and Fasta Benj would be fine. I need to include Fasta since they were also involved in the Knootian affair. I think we can leave SATO out of it for now. As well, I believe if we don’t ask for reparations from Der Angst then Knootoss should not ask for any from us. So perhaps we shouldn’t bring it up.

It is rather convenient that The Territory is here. Perhaps they can act as some kind of witness to any kind of pact that is formed. At least a rough draft can be drafted – maybe even today.”

Orith sighed again.

“Well, shall we go back in?”

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OOC: You have had more conversation with Der Angst, but did he/she even look at the regional page before attacking?

OOC: Do you mean our own regional board? I don’t know. Mind you, the FKC website and FKC forums came quite a bit after the whole Knootian thing. Der Angst? Comments?
Der Angst
16-10-2003, 10:12
ooc: When i attacked (I checked the regional board before), i didn`t see a map... in the end, i was told that DB is right in the middle of the coast, so i at least think it was ok/ possible... But it is correct, i should have asked beforehand :/

ic:

Ivanova watched her hosts come back. She wasn`t exactly in a good mood. This doesn`t exactly work out as planned... Hell, i`m not born as a diplomat...

"Ah... so, have my honoured hosts made a decision?"
Vrak
17-10-2003, 00:57
Vrak
17-10-2003, 01:06
OOC: To be fair, Der Angst did communicate to me on IRC about the layout of the Klatch and I didn’t have a map link handy. I’m thinking here, Alcona, of Fasta’s map that was temporarily stored on your server. Basically, I told him that Dyelli Beybi was to the south of Vrak and possibly quite far from any Vrakian interceptors. So I…uh…just let him go ahead and bomb – since I don’t know what kind of defenses DB had. I apologize to DB and Fasta since I obviously didn’t consult with you guys (but then Der Angst did post that his bombers were on the way leaving some time for any telegrams to work things out). As well, the FKC site and forum boards weren’t up yet at that time.

Still, I think it worked out in the end here.

IC:

Orith looked at Ivanova and sighed. His great head then turned to the Territory representatives and finally to Captain Banes.
Alcona and Hubris
17-10-2003, 14:58
OOC: Well, yes. I'm not really dissing Der Angst OOC. The reality is Banes is pissed because a) The Alconian Military really doesn't trust the Tzar or the Empire. b) Der Angst acting as though we were in collusion with the Tzar, c)The oportunity lost by Der Angst, for the punishment that Der Angst would prefer.

IC: The Captain sat down and looked at the Vrakian expectantly.
Vrak
20-10-2003, 06:25
Orith sighed and then began,

“Well, what I’m about to offer will still need to be approved by the Klatchian parliament, but it would be a starting point:

1) an exchange of POWs be done in an expedient manner.
2) a non-aggression treaty be signed between the region of Sisgardia and the FKC.

What say you, Ivanova?”
Der Angst
20-10-2003, 09:03
"That sounds... good.

Except that DA does not have a leading position in sisgardia, so it will take time until the second part can be fulfilled."
Vrak
20-10-2003, 09:13
“Hmmm, well, I see,” replied Orith, “Why not take this proposal back to your respective region and then we can work out the details then? I’m sure that our government would be willing to downgrade the current threat level towards your nation if you leave with this proposal.”

Orith then raised himself up more and said, “Now let us cast this away from our minds. This political wrangling has made me hungry and I wish to eat. If you all are inclined, then follow me to the banquet room.”

With that, Orith began to waddle out.
Der Angst
20-10-2003, 09:27
"Well, of course i will try to persuade Diablo_NL and FTR to accept the offer. However, success or not, is not predictable."

Orith then raised himself up more and said, “Now let us cast this away from our minds. This political wrangling has made me hungry and I wish to eat. If you all are inclined, then follow me to the banquet room.”


Oh my, i wonder how he will eat...

"Good idea. I`m sure all of us need some rest... and food."
Alcona and Hubris
20-10-2003, 14:49
The captain says nothing but follows....

OOC:This would be a situation where a "superior" ambassador is exchanged Vrak.
Vrak
20-10-2003, 23:09
OOC: My thoughts exactly. But Orith could basically make a report to the Klatchian Parliament - or at least through on of the Keys.
Der Angst
21-10-2003, 09:10
ooc: Sisgardian leadership is informed, reactions are still... expected.
Vrak
23-10-2003, 01:28
OOC: Okay Der Angst. We're discussing it too.

IC:

Meanwhile, a C-157 modified transport plane touched down at a military airbase. Special Envoy Yul Riou exited the plane along with his staff while the shell was gently eased out and taken to a nearby shed.

Home again, thought Yul.
Knootoss
23-10-2003, 14:24
OOC: we would be willing to sign a non-agressionpact too but I actually would like compensation for the damage done from the FKC. Sorry for the short post - little time left.
Vrak
23-10-2003, 16:12
OOC: Any compensation asked by Knootoss would have to be balanced by that of what Der Angst did to Dyelli Beybi. Besides, the investigation itself was only limited to the Der Angst bombing. Are you in Sisgardia Knootoss?
Alcona and Hubris
23-10-2003, 16:30
A) What D.B. did. That tatical nightmare of an attack is not on my list of things that I really have any desire to associate with. (that is sort of IC comment)

B) Knottoss, We feel it would be better for Der Angst to support your rebuilding efforts while D.B. is allowed to fund it's own rebuilding as a measure of punative responsiblity. We would be willing to reconstruct any bridges destroyed out of our own pocket with our own building contractors as a sign of good faith towards the people of your nation.
Der Angst
24-10-2003, 10:29
Very ooc: Knootoss, i`m simply unable to succeed in a conflict with the Klatchian coast (And even if i was able to do it, i wouldn`t want yet another horribly expensive conflict), so i am, well... unlikely to support your motion for reparations as they (although morally on a weak position) can enforce their interest in me rebuilding their stuff... and i don´t want to do that ;)
Knootoss
24-10-2003, 10:47
OOC:
If you want to do it like that...

*Expects funds coming from Der Angst then as development aid or something* :P
Der Angst
24-10-2003, 11:24
OOC:
If you want to do it like that...

*Expects funds coming from Der Angst then as development aid or something* :P

We already own significant parts of your economy. No 'aid funds', but we are interested in fast rebuilding ;)
Alcona and Hubris
24-10-2003, 14:42
IC non character: Um well you took the wrong path Der Angst. (In terms of our constituion) But we are willing to help rebuild any non-military structures unfortunatly it has to be our construction crews.

IC: character: Banes recives a phone call, and disappears for a few minutes. He returns but has a hankerchief of some kind tied up into a bundle. He stops next to Ivanova and says..."Can you hold this for a moment?" Handing her the bundle as he bends down to tie a shoe.

The bundle feels slightly heavy and shifts if it was several objects of metal. He rises again and hold out his hand expectantly...
The Lords of War
26-10-2003, 21:48
[tag] for later intelligence
Der Angst
26-10-2003, 22:01
"Ummm... sure."

She holds the bundle for a few moments, then gives it back.

Wonder what was in it... shrapnels?
Alcona and Hubris
26-10-2003, 22:23
He turns towards Ivanova and then opens the bundle. It contains eight gold coins with what appear to be heads of some women or men on one side and a large Griffen spreading it's wings on the other.

Very formally he begins, "In the name of His Grace, Alexander III of Alcona and Hubris I accept this payment of ransom for those individuals in employ of your nation who have been held by the Royal House. You may make arangements for their departure from the Residenz of Torrhall. They will need to present the Warrants of their Release." He seemes to then wink at her, and rewrap the coins.

He relaxes obviously while doing the task and says..."The warrants are on their way here for me to sign...."
Vrak
27-10-2003, 09:52
OOC: Still waiting for more FKC members to respond in our forums Der Angst. Just so you know. 8)
Der Angst
27-10-2003, 11:34
Now THATS an interesting... action. For a moment, Ivanova is, like, shocked by the 'clash of cultures'. While she understands what had been done, it is hard for her to actually understand why it was done. It was an action so far away from Angstian thoughts, it was simple... fascinating.

However, after a moment, the regains her stance.

"I... I am glad it worked out so well... in the name of the associates, i want to thank you, may our future relationships be... better than the past."

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ooc: I still didn´t get any responses from my UN delegate/ regional founder, so... ;)
Vrak
04-11-2003, 01:53
OOC: Just tying this one up…

At the airport Orith saw both the Der Angst and The Territory representatives off. Captain Banes was also present.

“Thank you for coming to our land. Perhaps a future visit under less trying circumstances are in order. For now, the final decision rests with our respective governments. But I would be remiss in my duties if you went away empty-handed.”

A quick flip of the flipper and two aides stepped forward, each carrying a small, finely-crafted box. Each aide presented the box to Ivanova and Wintes respectively.

“A small token of our appreciation,” said Orith, “And now, have a safe journey back.”

With that, he turned and climbed into his limousine and rode back to the Dome.

OOC: The contents can be whatever you want, but something expensive, harmless, and not alive. Maybe some fine oils, a hunting knife, etc…