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is your nation old, well known in the forum and do you have mod and/or UN status/delegacy?
then you may be a superpower!

OOC: i'm conduction a little test to see who are the superpower nations of NS

I only have UN status, and my monks till p4n u all!!!!!!1111

I've been around off-and-on since about January. I have a population of 1.52 billion, but I don't have much influence. So not a superpower yet.

think it depends on RP more then anything doesnt it, jsut cause you are in teh UN should mean nothing, i mean isnt also based on the region, i mean i am in a massive EU style alliance called VAscilia county [its a region located on mars] and we have rped and doen all sorts of stuff, i wonder if our region together counts as a superopwer more then our individual nations???

just to clear it up:

only 1 superpower nation exists in the real world
the USA

their military is so powerful that they could fight the whole continent of africa (no offense intended)

I'm almost there. Just 250 million more people. I'm well known (I think) and I have a powerful military and frightening economy.

OOC: I'm pretty big, but I have no influence whatsoever, so I'm out.

OOC:
Super-power is a term with a lot of meaning depending on what context it's used in. Super-powers on Earth? Melkor Unchained comes to mind. Super-power on Mars? I would have to say Sunset is the regional super-power. But it's all about context. Can you call Melkor Unchained a super-power without his vast alliance? Yes, though he would likely slip into a global super-power status if those alliances were taken out of the picture. With them he is a system super-power.

Tannelorn is right though - you are not a super-power if you don't RP and RP well. Those who build uberships and 'control' multiple star systems may well think they are - but when MU comes knocking, will their ubership buddies back them up? Likely not. Part of it is just the whole cascading alliance scenario, but another part of it is that he is a good RP'er.

<----Diplomatic/trade superpower. ;)

Kind of like Anaguum, except I'm probably half his size. I'm too lazy to check. Anyhow, I'm not super active in the forum, but off and on. You must remember, however, that you can have a population of 23 million and be a powerbroker in the forum, but you'd still be regarded as one of those Libya-type nations.

Can I be a superpower when i hit a billion. I think it would apply. I wouldn't be up to those 2 or 3 billion super powers, but oh well.

Addendum: That would be a super-power 'in the context of the forums'. Some nation's feel it makes them a superpower to have a lot of endorsements, as they can then force their will on a region.

I am no superpower... but I like to think that nobody hates me... and on the NS forum... thats hard to do.

Does anyone hate me? :(

*is not a superpower, but many people seem to mistake him for one*

We all luv you, Bloc. *big Platonic chaste hug*

I like Wazzu's standard.

Why are Menelmacar and Melkor_Unchained superpowers? Because nations flocked to them, followed their lead. Not just puppet nations, but nations owned/operated by other players. This is the same thing that made the leaders of GDODAD superpowers, or the trium of the Triumverant of Yut.

Superpowers are those nations that the nations of other players will follow.

Being a mod doesn't grant you super-power status. For example, I'm pretty sure I could take SLAG in a fight. In his insane jealousy over my vastly superior military thinking and guitar playing he might delete me though...

Emphasis added to ensure that this is understood as a jest and not one of those ad hominems. Is that an infection or something? :)

I've got the money and the military to be a power, but my policies are rather isolationist so I'm out.

no, China is the other superpower...they could fight the whole continent of north america at teh same time. I saw a Pentagon Projection of just how long the American fleets sent ot fight china wwuld last. China has sophisticated comps and missiles now and they have an air force made up of missile interceptors....at around ten thousand mach 2 planes....simply put the U.S. fleet according to their own projections would last 15 minutes or less....it would simply be a matter of too many to fight...and the quality is not that much worse [note i saw a dogfighting training excersice where a german Super Phantom, which is essentially what the Chinese top interceptor is, shot down 10 planes, by hanging back and firing deadly accurate missiles]and the EU is also a super power, the EU dollar, the Euro is worth more then the american dollar now, and their aremy total is probably 5 times greater, and for the last ten years they have been upgrading the whole armies. The last time U.S. did that [remember most budget is spent on bombs] was 20 years ago, now they simply do upgrades to extend the life of the units, much like the russians are doing. and Remeber Russia is about to join the EU
So superpowers
no 1 EU they are a massive superpower together and should be grouped as a whole
no 2 China...its economy is fast growing and their pop is huge....they make almost as much as america
no 3 America two years ago it was no 1, now its economy is crashing not due to war or terror, but to a WTO ruling that all people in all countries must be paid 3.50 an hour american....this has cut over 2 thirds of americas profit, due to Bush's neglect of the economy...it only hurt that bad because bush is incompetent, sabotaged the high tech industry [which has moved to canada and is making us super rich now!!!] in favour of oil.
once you get a new leader U.S.A. will probably be back at number two.
pushing china back to 3
no 4 Russia....if it came to war....dont mess with russia their money menaas nothing in war...its about pride to them otherwise they arent a superpower anymore....unless someone is dumb enough to invade [that is no one but terrorists]

Being a mod doesn't grant you super-power status. For example, I'm pretty sure I could take SLAG in a fight.

If superpower status is determined strictly by military size, then yes. However, who's to say I won't bust out some mad tactics and completely pwn you via pure RP ability?

Remember, as Nathi says... it's not how big it is; it's how you use it.

Anyway, The SLAGLands is largely a pacifist state, so if superpower status is going strictly on military, I'm out damn near immediately.

In his insane jealousy over my vastly superior military thinking and guitar playing he might delete me though...

Only for your guitar playing.

Tannelorn, you forgot one key fact when dealing with the China/US issue. Will to fight, will to win. A million men armed with AK-47s and crappy moral isn't much against two hundred thousand highly motivated men. Look at Vietnam, look at Afghanistan. Superpowers can, and have been defeated. Size is not the biggest factor in a fight.

Point two:
German population at the onset of WWII - 85 million
British population at the same time - 46 million.

And who won the Battle of Britain?

(slightly ooc/ic overall)

I don't claim 'superpower' status ... but I do note that for some odd reason, I've managed to navigate troubles rather well, draw other older, stronger nations to my causes, influence others, and get away with murder ... literally ... and generally get my way.

Does the Power of Successful Bluff count? Or is it more the Smooth Operator bit I've been accused of? *grins slyly*

--Nathi

(ok, ok ... it's the Olivia pics, isn't it? ;) )

yes exactly my people are coordinators from Gundam SEED, well basically..so they are smarter...i of course would RP it out, such as the commanders are all given free reign to take advantage of their superior mental abilities and that sort of thing...of course i would never just declare it, i would RP it out and i unlike some would concede defeat when out done...though someone saying they send 20 million people in to the main tunnel to Tannelorn.....they would all die....in the news it would say 20 men kill entire army something like that lol, So in closing someone like Belem whom thinks he is a superpower would get bitch slapped by me, whereas someone i respect we would havea good war, most liley where no one really wins lol. Mainly i always think of the War as Fun RP and practice for writing....its no fun when the other side slaughters the other side and i like to have fun....So Colonial style or WW 2 style wars are always fun, basically two evenly matched opponents going to warm who respect each other and no how to RP is the best thing ever....I dont care if someone thinks they area super power....act like it is all i can say...then i will respect it....if other people see you as one, then you are....if other people see you as a twerp....then you are...

That's it SLAG! I'm calling you out. Right here, come on.

No, I really do love you SLAG. In a purely heterosexual way. Purely, truely I swear it.

....and the EU is also a super power, the EU dollar, the Euro is worth more then the american dollar now, and their aremy total is probably 5 times greater....
I'm not going to argue about how the Chinese tech but about the EU.
I love this exageration: "The US has a larger military presence in Europe, than Europe does."

Other things to note: Persian Gulf War I:
Iraqi forces outnumbered Allied forces. They still lost. Horribly.
This is the greatest quote: "In 100 hours, Iraq went from having the 5th largest Army in the world, to the 2nd largest Army in Iraq"

man, I need to RP more
too bad I don't really visit the RP forums much

I like Wazzu's standard.

Why are Menelmacar and Melkor_Unchained superpowers? Because nations flocked to them, followed their lead. Not just puppet nations, but nations owned/operated by other players. This is the same thing that made the leaders of GDODAD superpowers, or the trium of the Triumverant of Yut.

Superpowers are those nations that the nations of other players will follow.

I've been referenced/quoted...W00T!!!

**hides in shame after the script kiddie type** :)

no no Akilliam i am saying that the chinese actually have a well trained and motivated army. right now they are number one for power...but they dont like to get involved in world affairs, as i should have said.....if china was invaded....but yes the U.S. gov, has a better idea of what their armed forces are like then us, and thats what tehy said. But actually BAttle of britain....Canadian pilots formed Bomber command in Canadian Planes...we built hte british air force and gave them supplise, so its more lie 62million because we were their and more ready the nanyone else, you see in 1936 Neville chamberlain had a secret meeting with Laurier....basically Canada started to arm, our army went from 200 000 to 600 000 in 6 weeks and we started to build all the tanks and planes...so the numbers were reasonable even [though hitler had allies in Romania, Finland, Hungary and Italy, as well as japan, who held up much of our military strength, 1 million french/brit/Can. Soldiers were in South east asia alone, and we lost 500 000 of them at teh beginning when the tiger of malaya conquered south east asia, and we lost another 50 000 trying to take it back [we never did not till the end of the war, and those troops put down the Viet min, precursor to viet cong and NVA under british command WW 2 Jap soldiers were brainwashed to follow any officers commands, it was very useful as it geve teh british commanders a bunch of higly qualified troops after the surrender to stop the commies in brit territories] their is always a nother side...the germans were wll motivated too.,....by revenge....had their motivation been something other then freedom for your homeland.....i dont know what amy have happened and i shudder to think what may have happened[ have the nazi war songs were about getting back at the british and Canadians for kicking them in ww 1]
hehe yes but the iraq army was built out of everythign they could get their hands on and trained poorly, The europeans have been upgrading heaviliy since the end ofthe cold war and tanks liek the new leopard 2 and the leclirc are utlra high tech and able to kill two or three m1's at a time...they were designed too....but the Chinese stole a whole lot of american and canadian military tech....its a little known fact but All the american targetting comps are made in Canada in Ontarios under GMC [GM canada its owned by our government] and a few subcontractors...the chinese spies stole missile designs and Canadian comps they have the same systems in the F 22 and Apache in thier hinds and fighter....and its our comps that make our stuff so good...

That's it SLAG! I'm calling you out. Right here, come on.

Very well....

FIRE THE REALLY FREAKIN' HUGE CANNON OF JUSTICE!

http://rpstudios.ian-justman.com/junk/CGgoods/RFHCoJ.JPG

CONGRATULATIONS, AKILLIAM! YOU HAVE BEEN SQUISHED, COURTESY OF...

No, I really do love you SLAG. In a purely heterosexual way. Purely, truely I swear it.

...aw, hell, not again...

no no Akilliam i am saying that the chinese actually have a well trained and motivated army. right now they are number one for power...but they dont like to get involved in world affairs, as i should have said.....if china was invaded....but yes the U.S. gov, has a better idea of what their armed forces are like then us, and thats what tehy said. But actually BAttle of britain....Canadian pilots formed Bomber command in Canadian Planes...we built hte british air force and gave them supplise, so its more lie 62million because we were their and more ready the nanyone else, you see in 1936 Neville chamberlain had a secret meeting with Laurier....basically Canada started to arm, our army went from 200 000 to 600 000 in 6 weeks and we started to build all the tanks and planes...so the numbers were reasonable even [though hitler had allies in Romania, Finland, Hungary and Italy, as well as japan, who held up much of our military strength, 1 million french/brit/Can. Soldiers were in South east asia alone, and we lost 500 000 of them at teh beginning when the tiger of malaya conquered south east asia, and we lost another 50 000 trying to take it back [we never did not till the end of the war, and those troops put down the Viet min, precursor to viet cong and NVA under british command WW 2 Jap soldiers were brainwashed to follow any officers commands, it was very useful as it geve teh british commanders a bunch of higly qualified troops after the surrender to stop the commies in brit territories] their is always a nother side...the germans were wll motivated too.,....by revenge....had their motivation been something other then freedom for your homeland.....i dont know what amy have happened and i shudder to think what may have happened[ have the nazi war songs were about getting back at the british and Canadians for kicking them in ww 1]

Can anyone actually read this?

BTW: I consider Wazzu to be a regional power, but not a world superpower.

no, China is the other superpower...they could fight the whole continent of north america at teh same time. I saw a Pentagon Projection of just how long the American fleets sent ot fight china wwuld last. China has sophisticated comps and missiles now and they have an air force made up of missile interceptors....at around ten thousand mach 2 planes....simply put the U.S. fleet according to their own projections would last 15 minutes or less
The Pentagon also did a similar projection in 1990 on wether we could successfully defend Saudi Arabia from an Iraqi invasion, and free Kuwait.
The simulation predicted that it could be done, but would cost us dearly with American deaths estimated in the high thousands.

The war happened, the war ended. And we lost approx. 148 people.

Moral of the story: You can't predict a war.

Also, most tactics from the Pentagon relating to war against China are based around defending Taiwan from Chinese invasion. Long backstory there.

ooc sorry when writing on this stupid thing without my glasses i cant catch mistakes and my reading glasses [i have astigmatism] arent around....sometimes i miss when i mess up my spelling on this interface

I feel really bad now. SLAG has squished me. With a really large pic no less.

*grovels at SLAG's feet* Forgive me master! I meant no harm!

Do you thumb your nose at me sir?
I do thumb my nose sir, but not at you sir
Do you quarrel sir?
Quarrel sir? No sir.

ooc predictions always take in to account that the enemy is as wel trained as our troops, that i know but the truth is,the americans trained the Iraqi army to take out Iran....so the Americans would know what to expect...the truth is the Army training was not equiv to the allies, due to the defeat in the Iran Iraq war's effect on Iraqi morale...the War is still going on in Iraq right now...and the end isnt in sight....so i see that this war may also not be over as predicted. trust me i do understand, but war against china....also defending S korea....turns out China will most likely be an ally soon anyways....but they are a lot better off then a lot of people think they are....and their is no way the west could conquer them...unless they wanted to be conquered...and the mass majority of chinese dont care about their government but about their country and traditions....go learn about filial piety........the war would be a very bad thing for anyone involved...but the point i was trying to make is simply.....the U.S. is not the only "super power" but the EU and China are as well.

Am i a superpower

OOC:

So perhaps international intrigue is part of being a super power?

There are a few very large and militaristic nations (with frightening economies) in my home region of Nasicournia and that of our allied region--A New Begining--as well. Many of our nations are also wonderful RPers too...but we all do most of our RPing on our own regional forums, instead of the NationStates forum.

So I wonder, then, do we/will we have any super powers in Nasicournia? We do, at least, have a lot of fun. ;-)

It seems that NS forum prowess may be a factor, as well.

Superpowers:

Imperial Forces *Me*
Russain Forces
Pure Evil
Brotherhood of Nod
Xerlox *Hate me to say it, seening he's a dipwit.*
Iesus Christs

Theres more, but I can't name them.

Self Admitted Godmodders:

Imperial Forces *Me*
Russain Forces

Theres more, but I can't name them.

If you have to say your a superpower you obviously aint ;)

Am i a superpower

Most people don't take former pop bug nations as supowers.

Self Admitted Godmodders:

Imperial Forces *Me*
Russain Forces

Theres more, but I can't name them.

If you have to say your a superpower you obviously aint ;)

1.348 billion people
Frightening Economy
High Defence buget *not to say the more you spend, the better, but it helps*
income tax of 46%
Super power Allies

Self Admitted Godmodders:

Imperial Forces *Me*
Russain Forces

Theres more, but I can't name them.

If you have to say your a superpower you obviously aint ;)

1.348 billion people
Frightening Economy
High Defence buget *not to say the more you spend, the better, but it helps*
income tax of 46%
Super power Allies

You missed the part where you actually suck but hey your stupid I'll let it slide......

Superpowers:

Imperial Forces *Me*
Russain Forces
Pure Evil
Brotherhood of Nod
Xerlox *Hate me to say it, seening he's a dipwit.*
Iesus Christs

Theres more, but I can't name them.
Bah, Praetor can take on half of that list single handedly...

Superpowers:

Imperial Forces *Me*
Russain Forces
Pure Evil
Brotherhood of Nod
Xerlox *Hate me to say it, seening he's a dipwit.*
Iesus Christs

Theres more, but I can't name them.
Bah, Praetor can take on half of that list single handedly...

Praetor isn't very fourm active, so he doesn't count.

no, China is the other superpower...they could fight the whole continent of north america at teh same time. I saw a Pentagon Projection of just how long the American fleets sent ot fight china wwuld last. China has sophisticated comps and missiles now and they have an air force made up of missile interceptors....at around ten thousand mach 2 planes....simply put the U.S. fleet according to their own projections would last 15 minutes or less....it would simply be a matter of too many to fight...and the quality is not that much worse [note i saw a dogfighting training excersice where a german Super Phantom, which is essentially what the Chinese top interceptor is, shot down 10 planes, by hanging back and firing deadly accurate missiles]and the EU is also a super power, the EU dollar, the Euro is worth more then the american dollar now, and their aremy total is probably 5 times greater, and for the last ten years they have been upgrading the whole armies. The last time U.S. did that [remember most budget is spent on bombs] was 20 years ago, now they simply do upgrades to extend the life of the units, much like the russians are doing. and Remeber Russia is about to join the EU
So superpowers
no 1 EU they are a massive superpower together and should be grouped as a whole
no 2 China...its economy is fast growing and their pop is huge....they make almost as much as america
no 3 America two years ago it was no 1, now its economy is crashing not due to war or terror, but to a WTO ruling that all people in all countries must be paid 3.50 an hour american....this has cut over 2 thirds of americas profit, due to Bush's neglect of the economy...it only hurt that bad because bush is incompetent, sabotaged the high tech industry [which has moved to canada and is making us super rich now!!!] in favour of oil.
once you get a new leader U.S.A. will probably be back at number two.
pushing china back to 3
no 4 Russia....if it came to war....dont mess with russia their money menaas nothing in war...its about pride to them otherwise they arent a superpower anymore....unless someone is dumb enough to invade [that is no one but terrorists]

China is no superpower. Real world super powers must have the ability to take on the world themselves. The US has the abiltiy to take on the planet. The EU has its weaknesses. If one of it's major members breaks off, several more may follow. Thats how it is. The weak will follow whoever they find the strongest.

And about the bush thing. How would any of you do if a terrorist group run 2 airplanes into the world's largest office complexes, and one into your military headquarters? What would you do? Would you only go after the ones that committed the crime, or would you try to stop it from happening agian? There will always be terrorists, but with the right show of force, they may find it harder to recruit more soldiers.

So what would you have done?

no, China is the other superpower...they could fight the whole continent of north america at teh same time. I saw a Pentagon Projection of just how long the American fleets sent ot fight china wwuld last. China has sophisticated comps and missiles now and they have an air force made up of missile interceptors....at around ten thousand mach 2 planes....simply put the U.S. fleet according to their own projections would last 15 minutes or less....it would simply be a matter of too many to fight...and the quality is not that much worse [note i saw a dogfighting training excersice where a german Super Phantom, which is essentially what the Chinese top interceptor is, shot down 10 planes, by hanging back and firing deadly accurate missiles]and the EU is also a super power, the EU dollar, the Euro is worth more then the american dollar now, and their aremy total is probably 5 times greater, and for the last ten years they have been upgrading the whole armies. The last time U.S. did that [remember most budget is spent on bombs] was 20 years ago, now they simply do upgrades to extend the life of the units, much like the russians are doing. and Remeber Russia is about to join the EU
So superpowers
no 1 EU they are a massive superpower together and should be grouped as a whole
no 2 China...its economy is fast growing and their pop is huge....they make almost as much as america
no 3 America two years ago it was no 1, now its economy is crashing not due to war or terror, but to a WTO ruling that all people in all countries must be paid 3.50 an hour american....this has cut over 2 thirds of americas profit, due to Bush's neglect of the economy...it only hurt that bad because bush is incompetent, sabotaged the high tech industry [which has moved to canada and is making us super rich now!!!] in favour of oil.
once you get a new leader U.S.A. will probably be back at number two.
pushing china back to 3
no 4 Russia....if it came to war....dont mess with russia their money menaas nothing in war...its about pride to them otherwise they arent a superpower anymore....unless someone is dumb enough to invade [that is no one but terrorists]

Wow, it's always fun when people are just wrong. People love to say china is a super power, or on the verge of becoming one. Anyone who says this knows nothing about military. Sure the US isn't going to be able to invade and successfully take on china, but china has NO force projection. They have a brown water navy, about the equivalent of our coast guard. Yes they have modern soviet aircraft, but US aircraft has time and again proven itself vastly superior to the soviet aircraft. The Chinese are currently developing the F-10 which will likely be a great aircraft, but the US has vastly superior aircraft. China is continually trying to catch up with the US, but each and every conflict the US is involved in, the Chinese see that they have fallen further behind.
The EU is nowhere near a super power because it is not one country. They speak different languages, their forces are not integrated. It can in no way be seen as a supwer power.
Russia is far too corrupt and economically weak to be a super power. Do they have a lot of equipment and soldiers? Yes. Can they afford to operate any of it or pay their soldiers? No.
Please people, this is why I left NS, you all love to throw around your opinions, you do no research, you don't have the background for it. Can we please use some intelligence while posting?

In terms of NS superpowers, the only one I would say is a super power aside from myself that actually post is Sketch and Brotherhood of Nod. I don't see anyone else supposedly called a super power in the top 10 of the economic/military rankings. Now people seem to just ignore the rankings, so if that's the case, then each nation is just totally make believe, and there's no point to actually answering any issues.

So that's just my two cents in one of my rare posts.

Do you reckon I'm a superpower? o.O

In terms of NS superpowers, the only one I would say is a super power aside from myself that actually post is Sketch and Brotherhood of Nod. I don't see anyone else supposedly called a super power in the top 10 of the economic/military rankings. Now people seem to just ignore the rankings, so if that's the case, then each nation is just totally make believe, and there's no point to actually answering any issues.

Considering you and Sketch are only listed that high because you have the population bug, I don't really think that's valid.

Superpowers:

Imperial Forces *Me*
Russain Forces
Pure Evil
Brotherhood of Nod
Xerlox *Hate me to say it, seening he's a dipwit.*
Iesus Christs

Theres more, but I can't name them.

I`m sorry, but the first three on that list have a diplomatic influence tending to be zero.

They are only superpowers if you count the 'laugh' factor as main index, that is, how many actions of said nations made the international community laugh.

As for definition of superpower (as i think it´s usable): They must be able to enforce their will everywhere on the world, except against equally strong nations. No matter if diplomatically, economically, diplomatically.

And no one is able to enforce it´s will on them.
Ah, and they MUST enforce their will sometimes, just idling isn`t enough ;)

The only ones who can do that (and i know) are actually

Brotherhood of Nod
Menelmacar
Melkor Unchained
Iesus Christi

All lead/ colead huge alliance networks, have considerable military force and enormous economical power.

Hell, why am i even writing this, i HATE 'superpower' discussions o.O

Am i a superpower

Most people don't take former pop bug nations as supowers.
What the hell i never had the population bug.

(dons RAID spray)

Bug? Where?

just to clear it up:

only 1 superpower nation exists in the real world
the USA

their military is so powerful that they could fight the whole continent of africa (no offense intended)
Did you forgot my eastern neighbour, Russia? And Korea is something in military. If you count on economy, military and population, my neighbours should take the honor, NOT the capitalists.

just to clear it up:

only 1 superpower nation exists in the real world
the USA

their military is so powerful that they could fight the whole continent of africa (no offense intended)
Did you forgot my eastern neighbour, Russia? And Korea is something in military. If you count on economy, military and population, my neighbours should take the honor, NOT the capitalists.

Russia and North Korea are both economic wrecks. And Russia is capitalist.

I think im a superpower
Powerhouse Economy
1.455 billion
High member of the Dominion/GDODAD

[quote=Akilliam]Being a mod doesn't grant you super-power status. For example, I'm pretty sure I could take SLAG in a fight.

If superpower status is determined strictly by military size, then yes. However, who's to say I won't bust out some mad tactics and completely pwn you via pure RP ability?[quote]

Yeah, sure, RP him to death! (j/k)

[5 minutes later... sees SLAG behind him with a billy club]

Uh... SLAG... what are you doing with that billy club? ^_^;

god is it that time of the month again?

there are no superpowers in NS, no nation is so strong, relatively, to deserve that monicker. billion person nations are becoming cheap, i'm about to become one, and as for militaries, half of the 'militarily huge' nations have godmoded their way into it or taken some very dodgy corners without RPing out the consequences. etc etc.

no superpowers.

no, China is the other superpower...they could fight the whole continent of north america at teh same time. I saw a Pentagon Projection of just how long the American fleets sent ot fight china wwuld last. China has sophisticated comps and missiles now and they have an air force made up of missile interceptors....at around ten thousand mach 2 planes....simply put the U.S. fleet according to their own projections would last 15 minutes or less....it would simply be a matter of too many to fight...and the quality is not that much worse [note i saw a dogfighting training excersice where a german Super Phantom, which is essentially what the Chinese top interceptor is, shot down 10 planes, by hanging back and firing deadly accurate missiles]and the EU is also a super power, the EU dollar, the Euro is worth more then the american dollar now, and their aremy total is probably 5 times greater, and for the last ten years they have been upgrading the whole armies. The last time U.S. did that [remember most budget is spent on bombs] was 20 years ago, now they simply do upgrades to extend the life of the units, much like the russians are doing. and Remeber Russia is about to join the EU
So superpowers
no 1 EU they are a massive superpower together and should be grouped as a whole
no 2 China...its economy is fast growing and their pop is huge....they make almost as much as america
no 3 America two years ago it was no 1, now its economy is crashing not due to war or terror, but to a WTO ruling that all people in all countries must be paid 3.50 an hour american....this has cut over 2 thirds of americas profit, due to Bush's neglect of the economy...it only hurt that bad because bush is incompetent, sabotaged the high tech industry [which has moved to canada and is making us super rich now!!!] in favour of oil.
once you get a new leader U.S.A. will probably be back at number two.
pushing china back to 3
no 4 Russia....if it came to war....dont mess with russia their money menaas nothing in war...its about pride to them otherwise they arent a superpower anymore....unless someone is dumb enough to invade [that is no one but terrorists]

Wow, it's always fun when people are just wrong. People love to say china is a super power, or on the verge of becoming one. Anyone who says this knows nothing about military. Sure the US isn't going to be able to invade and successfully take on china, but china has NO force projection. They have a brown water navy, about the equivalent of our coast guard. Yes they have modern soviet aircraft, but US aircraft has time and again proven itself vastly superior to the soviet aircraft. The Chinese are currently developing the F-10 which will likely be a great aircraft, but the US has vastly superior aircraft. China is continually trying to catch up with the US, but each and every conflict the US is involved in, the Chinese see that they have fallen further behind.
The EU is nowhere near a super power because it is not one country. They speak different languages, their forces are not integrated. It can in no way be seen as a supwer power.
Russia is far too corrupt and economically weak to be a super power. Do they have a lot of equipment and soldiers? Yes. Can they afford to operate any of it or pay their soldiers? No.
Please people, this is why I left NS, you all love to throw around your opinions, you do no research, you don't have the background for it. Can we please use some intelligence while posting?

In terms of NS superpowers, the only one I would say is a super power aside from myself that actually post is Sketch and Brotherhood of Nod. I don't see anyone else supposedly called a super power in the top 10 of the economic/military rankings. Now people seem to just ignore the rankings, so if that's the case, then each nation is just totally make believe, and there's no point to actually answering any issues.

So that's just my two cents in one of my rare posts.

Wow. 0_0. This is the first good assessment of RL power balances I have ever seen here. Ever. The true superpowers of NS are:

Sketch
The Brotherhood of Nod
Melkor Unchained

and of course, the deities of NS,

[violet] and
[dredd]

In terms of NS superpowers, the only one I would say is a super power aside from myself that actually post is Sketch and Brotherhood of Nod. I don't see anyone else supposedly called a super power in the top 10 of the economic/military rankings. Now people seem to just ignore the rankings, so if that's the case, then each nation is just totally make believe, and there's no point to actually answering any issues.

Considering you and Sketch are only listed that high because you have the population bug, I don't really think that's valid.

See that's just BS GMC, because a LOT of nations had, key word is had, it's been fixed for several months, the "pop bug" for a long time, yet Sketch and I were still at the top. Not everyone with the pop bug was, and a lot of people without the pop bug were too. People love to just point at countries who got it, not by choice, but because of a flaw in the game, and just be like, oooooh pop bug pop bug. Well you know what? Who gives a damn, it's a flaw in the game, but it's still part of the game. Part of playing games is dealing with their flaws, it's about time people stopped whining about it so much. I've been on the opposite end of bugs in other games, and you deal with them, don't site and whine about it. But what am I to expect, the majority of people that play this game are little kids anyways.

And stomping around proclaiming yourself king of everything is extremely mature, I take it?

What about this you have superpower categories like
a military category
an economic category
a rp category
and an influence category.

Forconnen is a super power. Our military is still a little crummy due to some disputes between me and my advisors. We have a frightening economy though.

In terms of NS superpowers, the only one I would say is a super power aside from myself that actually post is Sketch and Brotherhood of Nod. I don't see anyone else supposedly called a super power in the top 10 of the economic/military rankings. Now people seem to just ignore the rankings, so if that's the case, then each nation is just totally make believe, and there's no point to actually answering any issues.

Considering you and Sketch are only listed that high because you have the population bug, I don't really think that's valid.

See that's just BS GMC, because a LOT of nations had, key word is had, it's been fixed for several months, the "pop bug" for a long time, yet Sketch and I were still at the top. Not everyone with the pop bug was, and a lot of people without the pop bug were too. People love to just point at countries who got it, not by choice, but because of a flaw in the game, and just be like, oooooh pop bug pop bug. Well you know what? Who gives a damn, it's a flaw in the game, but it's still part of the game. Part of playing games is dealing with their flaws, it's about time people stopped whining about it so much. I've been on the opposite end of bugs in other games, and you deal with them, don't site and whine about it. But what am I to expect, the majority of people that play this game are little kids anyways.

is your nation old, well known in the forum and do you have mod and/or UN status/delegacy?
then you may be a superpower!

OOC: i'm conduction a little test to see who are the superpower nations of NS

I'm two weeks older than you so I guess that counts for something, I dunno how well known I am... and I'm founder and delegate of my region which is 20+

Am I superpower?

To be frank, I don't really care but hey.

Man, did someone mention Praetor? :x

Arrgh. I could take Praetor. :)

Wow, I'm flattered that I would be considered a super power.
*deep bow* thank you, thank you

I would like to mention someone who should be considered for this list however. Josifovich - he/she has been making #1 on the NS rankings lately, displacing ME :evil: I think he/she should be considered at least an up and coming super power, if not one already.

This is one of my few post for the time being. The line is forming behind me, must signoff :?

And about the bush thing. How would any of you do if a terrorist group run 2 airplanes into the world's largest office complexes, and one into your military headquarters? What would you do? Would you only go after the ones that committed the crime, or would you try to stop it from happening agian? There will always be terrorists, but with the right show of force, they may find it harder to recruit more soldiers.

So what would you have done?

Don't be a troll.

I'm not a superpower yet, but I'm getting there.

The only thing that makes China formidable is the fact that it has a massive army, since their population is so large, and, being communists, can conscipt people into the military. The US doesn't win by numbers, but by precision and advanced technology. Despite what some foreigners think, the full might of our military was not deployed in Iraq, that was but a small taste. Look at the recent Command and Conquer: Generals game. It includes China and the US. China wins battles with waves and waves of tanks and troops. Their units recieve horde bonuses and are inexpensive to make. The US has several different types of planes, and advanced infantry and tanks. They triumph through technology and precison airstrikes. Their units are more expensive, but are more durable and powerful. I'm not saying this game is like the real world, because some moron is going to make it seem that way. The EU is NOT a superpower. It is a group of smaller nations banding together for economic benefits. England is on its way to being one, with its mighty navy and its recent economic boom due to the 911 events. The EU as a whole cannot be considered a superpower. Superpowers are single nations, respected for their military might and economic prowess.

I'm not a superpower, but I do have a Frightening economy and population over a billion. :D

And someone already said it, the true superpowers of NS would be:

Menelmacar
Melkor Unchained
Brotherhood of Nod
Iesus Christi

I'm not a superpower, but I do have a Frightening economy and population over a billion. :D

And someone already said it, the true superpowers of NS would be:

Menelmacar
Melkor Unchained
Brotherhood of Nod
Iesus Christi

I'm not a super-power. I've got 1.3billion, high defense spending, etc. etc. But I have no pull, nations don't follow me, and I do not like to get into wars. I'm also a poor RPer. I need to work on that.

i think anyone who's a powerbroker (a good part of which is RP, not little "note" posts) and has a frightening economy can be considered a power.

superpower, however...someone whose name a lot of people recognize in the forum (which would exclude someone like The Mets, who are just large and frequently high-ranked in UN rankings, but never post). names that come to mind are sniper country, brotherhood of nod, melkor, AMF, omz, dark terror, western asia, FIK, the bisons (when they were still around), russian forces, ...and some more that don't spring to mind yet.

i think i can be considered a world power (i semi-lead an alliance that has between 10 and 20 medium-sized nations in it, fit my definition above, and RP when i can). definitely not a superpower, though. anyone's opinion?

I'm a superpower! Enough people have heard of me. And my nation doesn't have a military as I have donated it to our region this is a plus because if I'm attacked we have larger military for support. I'm a civil rights/political superpower. :D

Wow, I'm flattered that I would be considered a super power.
*deep bow* thank you, thank you

I would like to mention someone who should be considered for this list however. Josifovich - he/she has been making #1 on the NS rankings lately, displacing ME :evil: I think he/she should be considered at least an up and coming super power, if not one already.

This is one of my few post for the time being. The line is forming behind me, must signoff :?
Yeah, Josifovich also has like 2.4 billion :shock:.

I think im a superpower
Powerhouse Economy
1.455 billion
High member of the Dominion/GDODAD
Ive got a frightening economy and im high in G.D.O.D.A.D

alas the f.i.s. is but a lesser power in ns.

FiK doesn't even exist anymore.
Sure about that bit?

I guess I've been reduced to "not a super power" status yet again :roll: Oh well, more the "suprise" when I steamroll a few nations :twisted: ^=^

Psst... we should steamroll nations together. Overwhelming force is good for total victory and subsequent economic consolidation!

I guess I've been reduced to "not a super power" status yet again :roll: Oh well, more the "suprise" when I steamroll a few nations :twisted: ^=^

Psst... we should steamroll nations together. Overwhelming force is good for total victory and subsequent economic consolidation!

*steeples hands evilly*

Yesssss, steamrolling is funnnnnn.......
Total and complete domination! Bwahahahahaha!!!! :twisted: ^=^

I'm not a superpower yet, but I'm getting there.

The only thing that makes China formidable is the fact that it has a massive army, since their population is so large, and, being communists, can conscipt people into the military. The US doesn't win by numbers, but by precision and advanced technology. Despite what some foreigners think, the full might of our military was not deployed in Iraq, that was but a small taste. Look at the recent Command and Conquer: Generals game. It includes China and the US. China wins battles with waves and waves of tanks and troops. Their units recieve horde bonuses and are inexpensive to make. The US has several different types of planes, and advanced infantry and tanks. They triumph through technology and precison airstrikes. Their units are more expensive, but are more durable and powerful. I'm not saying this game is like the real world, because some moron is going to make it seem that way. The EU is NOT a superpower. It is a group of smaller nations banding together for economic benefits. England is on its way to being one, with its mighty navy and its recent economic boom due to the 911 events. The EU as a whole cannot be considered a superpower. Superpowers are single nations, respected for their military might and economic prowess.

China is good on land, but their navy is so impotent they cannot even take Taiwan, even though the taiwanese spend much less on defense that china.

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No, but I don't RP that much.

(I'm Goobergunchia, but I can't post for some weird reason so I'm posting as this puppet.)

Me super power??? You decide!!!

i think anyone who's a powerbroker (a good part of which is RP, not little "note" posts) and has a frightening economy can be considered a power.

superpower, however...someone whose name a lot of people recognize in the forum (which would exclude someone like The Mets, who are just large and frequently high-ranked in UN rankings, but never post). names that come to mind are sniper country, brotherhood of nod, melkor, AMF, omz, dark terror, western asia, FIK, the bisons (when they were still around), russian forces, ...and some more that don't spring to mind yet.

i think i can be considered a world power (i semi-lead an alliance that has between 10 and 20 medium-sized nations in it, fit my definition above, and RP when i can). definitely not a superpower, though. anyone's opinion?

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call dark terror and the bisons 'superpowers,' especially condsidering that they're the same person, and bisons has been carpet nuked to oblivion at least a dozen times. FiK doesn't even exist anymore. And Omz? please. I showed him what a superpower really was last week. :twisted:

A superpower, by my definition must meet several criteria:
-Frightening or All-Consuming economy
-The military muscle--and the balls--to push people around
-The ability to know when to push people around and when to make other people do it for you
-Having other people [satellite nations, if you will] that will help you out in the event of invasion, etc.
-Tactical and Strategic know-how
and the player must post frequently, and familiarize himself or herself with the international scene.

Really, as I see it, there are four large superpowers in the NS world. They are Myself, Menelmacar, the ToY, and the Empire of Eternal Dawn.

If you want to extend them to include alliances, The Dominion, SATO, and possibly NATO and the Reich would be included.

I'm a superpower!!!! At football :lol:

FIRE THE REALLY FREAKIN' HUGE CANNON OF JUSTICE!http://rpstudios.ian-justman.com/junk/CGgoods/RFHCoJ.JPG

I thought you were a pacifist.

Chancellor Toad

I've been around since June and have only started rping in the last month or so. In that time; I've come to realize that nations who have respect and are feared(to a degree) are far more the superpowers than those who throw numbers around in a so called "rp". Such nations would understand how to rp and enough about tactics to make the rps fun.

That said, I consider the following nations true superpowers.

Melkor Unchained
Lord Squall (haven't seen her rp much lately though)
Nod

I can see I'm going to have to pulverize a few small nations into future archaelogical microspecimens.

Ruhr is a power, probably not a super-power. Might I refer you all to this thread...which has been bumped sooooo many times.

The Ruhrian Military: A Lesson in Aggression (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56158&highlight=)

I guess I've been reduced to "not a super power" status yet again :roll: Oh well, more the "suprise" when I steamroll a few nations :twisted: ^=^

I guess I've been reduced to "not a super power" status yet again :roll: Oh well, more the "suprise" when I steamroll a few nations :twisted: ^=^

Not after the ToY smackdown you are about to recieve.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call dark terror and the bisons 'superpowers,' especially condsidering that they're the same person, and bisons has been carpet nuked to oblivion at least a dozen times. FiK doesn't even exist anymore. And Omz? please. I showed him what a superpower really was last week. :twisted:

A superpower, by my definition must meet several criteria:
-Frightening or All-Consuming economy
-The military muscle--and the balls--to push people around
-The ability to know when to push people around and when to make other people do it for you
-Having other people [satellite nations, if you will] that will help you out in the event of invasion, etc.
-Tactical and Strategic know-how
and the player must post frequently, and familiarize himself or herself with the international scene.

Really, as I see it, there are four large superpowers in the NS world. They are Myself, Menelmacar, the ToY, and the Empire of Eternal Dawn.

If you want to extend them to include alliances, The Dominion, SATO, and possibly NATO and the Reich would be included.

While I agree with your definition...I ask:

What are your tactics in: The fleet cuts them off, they launch 500 torpedos.

-Ruhr-

is your nation old, well known in the forum and do you have mod and/or UN status/delegacy?
then you may be a superpower!

OOC: i'm conduction a little test to see who are the superpower nations of NS



Hell Yeah!

The Rogue Nation of One Bad Asp
UN Category: Capitalizt
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Excellent
Location: Hell
UN Delegate

The Rogue Nation of One Bad Asp is a massive, economically powerful nation, remarkable for its compulsory vegetarianism. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 1.091 billion enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases.

The large, liberal, pro-business government juggles the competing demands of Commerce, Defence, and Law & Order. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Automobile Manufacturing industry.

Eight year-olds can be seen lighting up in public areas, citizens must pay to enjoy One Bad Asp's pristine beaches, the latest Harry Potter book is a bestseller, and punitive tariffs protect local industry. Crime is well under control, thanks to the all-pervasive police force. One Bad Asp's national animal is the Viper, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the Raw Horsepower.
One Bad Asp is ranked 8th in the region and 755th in the world for Largest Mining Sector.

*Ponders Angelic Superpower-status*

I have a pop nearly 900 mil an awsome economy and a tax rate of 100%

i think anyone who's a powerbroker (a good part of which is RP, not little "note" posts) and has a frightening economy can be considered a power.

superpower, however...someone whose name a lot of people recognize in the forum (which would exclude someone like The Mets, who are just large and frequently high-ranked in UN rankings, but never post). names that come to mind are sniper country, brotherhood of nod, melkor, AMF, omz, dark terror, western asia, FIK, the bisons (when they were still around), russian forces, ...and some more that don't spring to mind yet.

i think i can be considered a world power (i semi-lead an alliance that has between 10 and 20 medium-sized nations in it, fit my definition above, and RP when i can). definitely not a superpower, though. anyone's opinion?

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call dark terror and the bisons 'superpowers,' especially condsidering that they're the same person, and bisons has been carpet nuked to oblivion at least a dozen times. FiK doesn't even exist anymore. And Omz? please. I showed him what a superpower really was last week. :twisted:

A superpower, by my definition must meet several criteria:
-Frightening or All-Consuming economy
-The military muscle--and the balls--to push people around
-The ability to know when to push people around and when to make other people do it for you
-Having other people [satellite nations, if you will] that will help you out in the event of invasion, etc.
-Tactical and Strategic know-how
and the player must post frequently, and familiarize himself or herself with the international scene.

Really, as I see it, there are four large superpowers in the NS world. They are Myself, Menelmacar, the ToY, and the Empire of Eternal Dawn.

If you want to extend them to include alliances, The Dominion, SATO, and possibly NATO and the Reich would be included.
I agree with you i know i got the balls to push peopleAROUND.

Am I a superpower???

Not even close...

I don't consider myself anything.......just another nation.

I consider myself a power, (not very) possibly a superpower.

Lavenrunz is definitely a powerful nation.
Frightening Economy.
Great age.
Leader is Secretary-General of the SATO Alliance.

(OOC: I don't know, if I'm well-known, but I consider Vulcanus as a superpower. Vulcanus has now 307 million citizens, and in US, there's about 270 million. So Vulcanus is about the size of US, as a military power. But I don't know is it enough.)

(IC:) Vulcanus doesn't belong in to the UN, and might not qualify as a superpower, but we think that Garrison II is to be considered a superpower.

Really, all those who've posted "am I a superpower", the answer's in the question.

Besides, the notion's silly anyway. NS is replete with huge nations boasting frightening economies and massive militaries. Creating a realistic nation with realistic capabilities, and RPing it, is (IMO) much more credible than simply claiming to be able to swat any opponent with your Uber Tech.

That said, Praetor's right in that the NS rankings should mean something, or what the hell are we even playing the game for. Ignore the rankings and we'd be as well just sticking to the forums and making any claims we liked.

And even though I said the whole thing is a bit silly (as Seocc did earlier) re-read the Ienotheisa/Iesus Christi incident - particularly the point from where Praetor got involved. What happened there was pretty close to superpower intervention in my book.

Aerigia is quite powerful, being created on December 25, 2002
1.4 billion citizens+ Federated Territories= Around 2 billion
Frightening Economy
SATO Member and Admiral of Atlantic Fleet
Permenent member of The Heartland High Council and Head of The Heartland Ministry of Diplomacy
co-Founder of the modern WBO

OOC: I've recently topped the 800 million mark, with a frightening economy. I think I've become somewhat of a power.

over a billion, frightning economy, many allies, several systems under my control, a sizable fleet, able to draft an army of over 10 million.

ya, I think I am a power.

[OOC: If there are any superpowers, then EOTED isn't one of em.]

over a billion, frightning economy, many allies, several systems under my control, a sizable fleet, able to draft an army of over 10 million.

ya, I think I am a power.

OOC: Allies come and go, so I wouldn't count that as a power reqisite, course that don't mean much coming from a merc nation. Respect would be better to put there.

I consider myself a diplomatic/fun-nation medium power. My military might is small, but I'm very influential diplomatically speaking...... besides, everybody loves the wacky bovines :wink:

over a billion, frightning economy, many allies, several systems under my control, a sizable fleet, able to draft an army of over 10 million.

ya, I think I am a power.

OOC: Allies come and go, so I wouldn't count that as a power reqisite, course that don't mean much coming from a merc nation. Respect would be better to put there.

OOC: My bad, this is a wee puppet, and an evil one at that.

Hmmm.. I consider myself fairly influential in space affairs, but that is mostly due to my ancient map of space territory thread. It is from that that most of my allies currently come from, but since my nation was pacifist for several hundred years, I'm definatley not, and probably never will be, a military power.

Hear me RAWR!11! I am t3h p0war!!!11!

*meow*

[OOC: Wait. What am I saying? EOTED is a superpower... RAWR! Yes.

Okay, so maybe it isn't, and maybe it is. I have no idea, myself. But people have said EOTED is a superpower... and then there are people who say there aren't any superpowers... so... I have no idea.

I'll settle with...

RAWR!

Yes.]

Galdania does have a great deal of might, militarily, economically, diplomatically.

I dunno I certainly hope that I am a super power or a power atleast. Anyways I'm not the vain type. :P

over a billion, frightning economy, many allies, several systems under my control, a sizable fleet, able to draft an army of over 10 million.

ya, I think I am a power.

OOC: Allies come and go, so I wouldn't count that as a power reqisite, course that don't mean much coming from a merc nation. Respect would be better to put there.

OOC: My bad, this is a wee puppet, and an evil one at that.

you never met the APTO alliance, or Italia, who has been my ally since day one. Anyway, I was just putting in in there for the extra "oomph".
oh, and I am respeced (as far as I know). And I am VERY well known.

I am close, if I haven't already gotten to superpower status. I generally land in 300 and below in the UN rankings. Large military, powerful economy, intelligent people. I should be fairly well known, because I spend a lot of time in the forums. I would consider myself a superpower, yes. Then there are the ultra-superpowers, but they're in a whole nother league from me.

How can one determine if one is a superpower?

(population of 1.137 billion, Economy: Powerhouse)

Influential diplomatically, small but highly trained and very well equipped military, population of over 1.2 billion, two superweapons weapons that can blow massive 3 mile deep holes the size of New York in things, highly respected, well known...yeah, I'd say I'm a power, at least. I dunno about a superpower, though. My military is pretty small. The Agents make up for it, though. :twisted:

I think I am definitely a major power (not to mention very egotistical)

I have a large and powerful military, I supply vital ships (of both military and civilian nature) to almost all nations, I hold influence over many nations, and many people like me.

My actions have lead to drastic, galaxy wide changes. I've been personally responsible for almost unprecendented prosperity and peace.

Plus, my ship pics are really nifty.

All hail me!


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Duke Solomon Klonor
Hegemon of The Klonor Empire (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the_klonor_empire)
Founder: Galactic Alliance
Founder: Inter-Stellar Alliance Organization (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82472)
Member: Chromestar Alliance (http://invisionfree.com/forums/Chromestar_Alliance/index.php?)
Member: Extra-Solar Union of Systems (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82439)
Member: StarCon Space Treaty Alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81934)
Member: The Anti War Alliance of Negotiators (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88144)
Member: The New Jewish Alliance
http://esus.illspirit.co.uk/esusmember.gif
http://hometown.aol.com/jbk405/images/ksig4.jpeg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59081)

We are very close to becoming a superpower, our nation is only made up of 637 million people and only has an All-Consuming economy but we have a mandatory draft and we concentrate 80% of our budget on Defense.

Boris Kisoff
Diplomatic Minister of Aooogah

I know that I am a power, but I'm not sure if I am a Superpower? :?


1,337,000,000: Population
Frightening: Economy
Superb: Civil Rights
Very Good: Political Freedoms
Alliance Capt of the EOP chain
Over Seven Countries in my Empire (Yes they were RPed)
Well equipt, trained, and funded military
RP's well (If you respect me :roll: )

I am powerful!! yar!! :lol:

*gets ready mod-alert button for gravedigging*
Maybe I wont mod-alert.

LE
Pop: 1.78b
Economy: Weak (GDP Avg: $6.5 trillion)
RP-wise, participated in WW4, WW5, Slavrov Homosexual Onslaught.

Wolfsreich is not a superpower, unless you count the fact that we're like Switzerland crossed with the Hanseatic League. When NS2 comes out with its trade elements we'll be rich beyond our wildest dreams. OOC, however, I'll be out five bucks a month.

It can be said that the assension to being a superpower can only be given by those nations that surround you.

So, if many nations alow you to be a superpower, then yes, you are a superpower.

OOC: I've recently topped the 800 million mark, with a frightening economy. I think I've become somewhat of a power.*kicks Driddain's player for gravedigging* This 'my wee-wee is bigger than your wee-wee' thread should have stayed dead.

If he didn't do it, somebody else would have. I would have if I had any clue that this thread existed

It can be said that the assension to being a superpower can only be given by those nations that surround you.

So, if many nations alow you to be a superpower, then yes, you are a superpower.

looks to nearby systems, see's no one

I proclaim myself a super pwer, does anyone object?
*space is silent*
:twisted: