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DNS's entire population is leaving the NS Earth, but not for another planet, they are too easy to hit, too easy to permently mess up. We are building a mothership to carry our population off-planet, and out into the reaches of deepspace. Our nation will be a ship, and if the need arises another one will be built to control overcrowding. We have already constructed the womb which the ship will be built around, and Siri took it into orbit for us in return for our Diamond tech. The ship will be approximatly 500 KM from stern to bow, and we already have ships being built and mining/transporting asteroids to the wombs location for minerals. Ever spare dollar that the DNS government has will be going towards this project for the next 20+ years. Numerous weapons systems are already being put in place around the ship, along with the weapons that will be integrated into the ship.

Already being developed are advanced hydroponics systems to feed our people, and we are working on a number of options to power the ship.

But this is a project that we can not accomplish alone, so we are requesting aid from our allies.

Artist's rendering of design:
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/69178/0.jpg

OOC: comments? concerns? I am going on vacation on friday, so 14 years will be while I'm inactive because of that.

OOC: no calls of GodMod? no offers of help? come on, 13+ people have seen this, you have to have opinions.

I saw something similar in "Cave of Stars." I'd send people along, but I'd never see 'em again.

To: DNS Government
From: Farseer Council
Subject: Mothership Program

we well understand the draw of space, and the security that being up here brings, it is to this end that we offer our services to you in making this transition.

We can send to you trained experts in space construction and in the field of 'Mothership' Construction, all we need are your initial plans, and we will be able to aid you in this matter, we also offer the Tor Yvresse Ship yards 6 and 7 for this project already in space and with the advatage of Web Gate use we can insure that overheads are kept to a minimum.

Farseer Council

Got any technical stats? Stats are good so you know what you're building. Plus, if this thing is a 500km long moving home for an entire nation, it'll take much longer than 20 years to accumulate parts, find the proper propulsion, save up enough money, draw up specs and plans, finalize the details, order or make all the parts and put the thing together.

I'd say, unless you want this to be a floating tin can with a pair of Model rocket engines duct-taped to the back, you should put some more time and money in to planning.

At your age, you'll need a hell of a lot of help, time and money to build a 500km long Mobile Mothership.

I saw something similar in "Cave of Stars." I'd send people along, but I'd never see 'em again.
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Tor: Thank you very much for your help, we may construct the engines partly in your spacedocks, if they fit.

Got any technical stats? Stats are good so you know what you're building. Plus, if this thing is a 500km long moving home for an entire nation, it'll take much longer than 20 years to accumulate parts, find the proper propulsion, save up enough money, draw up specs and plans, finalize the details, order or make all the parts and put the thing together.

I'd say, unless you want this to be a floating tin can with a pair of Model rocket engines duct-taped to the back, you should put some more time and money in to planning.

At your age, you'll need a hell of a lot of help, time and money to build a 500km long Mobile Mothership.

Secretly I've been planning this for 10 years, and we have envisioned a slipstream engine to provide FTL, we're working on a Ion Stream engine, and parts have started be be made today. I know for certain that Isles of Wohlstand will be providing major support, because of previous treaties and working relationship. I'm requesting aid from NATO, the Commonwealth, and COTW.

OOC: I'm posting technical stats tommorow, need time to finish working them out.

Book by someone I don't remember.

If you run into Arcel exploring the "unknow" in deep space, give him our reguards. :D

We don't have much in the way of spaceships, but we could sell you a couple of our plasma reactors. You'll need about 6 full-size for this ship, which would come out to $30 billion.

Got any technical stats? Stats are good so you know what you're building. Plus, if this thing is a 500km long moving home for an entire nation, it'll take much longer than 20 years to accumulate parts, find the proper propulsion, save up enough money, draw up specs and plans, finalize the details, order or make all the parts and put the thing together.

I'd say, unless you want this to be a floating tin can with a pair of Model rocket engines duct-taped to the back, you should put some more time and money in to planning.

At your age, you'll need a hell of a lot of help, time and money to build a 500km long Mobile Mothership.

Secretly I've been planning this for 10 years, and we have envisioned a slipstream engine to provide FTL, we're working on a Ion Stream engine, and parts have started be be made today. I know for certain that Isles of Wohlstand will be providing major support, because of previous treaties and working relationship. I'm requesting aid from NATO, the Commonwealth, and COTW.

OOC: I'm posting technical stats tommorow, need time to finish working them out.
OOC: Ok, take your time with the stats, but you should always have stats before you begin to build.

You're planning on having FTL ability? It'll take a HELL of a lot longer than you can possibly stand. I know dozens of older Space nations who have been trying for months (RL) to achieve FTL. FTL isn't something you can achieve easily. It'll take real life months to even get close to FTL. However, I can help you achieve Sublight Speed. It's about half the speed of FTL (FTL is around 130,000km/second), but it works.

BTW: About the secret planning, even when something is secret, you need to have at least something posted on it, maybe an OOC post like "Hey, I'm planning this awesome mothership to take my nation into Deep space". Before I announced that I'd be building a Colony Ship, I made a few posts about it trying to gather materials and whatnot. I'll let it slide.

Extend the build time, increase the price, push construction back a few years, because you need to research engines, materials, life support systems, etc.

Actually with my Technical know how he dosn't, I can teach him all that stuff or install it for him. Points to Craftworld we get that to work no problem, we can get the mothership working.

Actually with my Technical know how he dosn't, I can teach him all that stuff or install it for him. Points to Craftworld we get that to work no problem, we can get the mothership working.
Are you talking about FTL, or the materials, life support, etc?

BTW: DNS, I commend your efforts and am wiring $200 billion to aid you in research and construction.

I first posted about it around 10 days ago, but it was something like "I'm leaving earth, and I'm still in the planning stages about where I'm going and how I'm doing it"

I'm year 3500+ for RP purposes, and have discovered slipstream. The FTL engine I'm using is going to require a huge jumpstart and can only be used around 2 times a week due to power constraints.

I'm gonna type up the stats tommorow at work, but its gonna be on the order of 5 engines, 2000 turbolasers, 2500 laser cannons, 1000 ion cannons, and 1/10th of those being advanced models.

Thank you for the donation.

One last bump for tonight, the next bump from me will be in the morning and contain the stats.

Are you talking about FTL, or the materials, life support, etc?

BTW: DNS, I commend your efforts and am wiring $200 billion to aid you in research and construction.

Materials Life support etc, doubt he wants my first method of FTL and he's not getting my second, no matter how great a friend he is.

I wouldnt, ships are much easier to permanantly disable/desetroy than planets, even 500Km long ships. Just imagine what would happen if some country using one of our producs 'accidently' let some 'slip' into the ventilation shaft? 1/3 of your ship would go blind, 1/3 would go crazy, and the rest would all go sterile, thats what. Plus an nuclear weapon on the engines would wreak havoc as well, something that big would also raise the issue of gravity, mass, acceleration, all sorts of physics trouble, I would advise simply moving part of your population to space, that way you have all the benifits, since its harder to destroy a ship and a planet at the same time :P

Well the hydroponics bays will defintly play a key role in the life support function, and we will probably be biocrafting some bacteria to eat the carbon dioxide. They can live in the ventiliation system, in areas with a precasion to keep them from getting out or over-mutiplying.

2 more pics for you image-whores: :)

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/69178/1.jpg

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/69178/2.jpg

We commend you on your goal of living in the stars. Our nation has wandered the stars for centuries in our Worldships. While they are not on the same scale of the ship that you are planning, we would like to offer our expertise in this area. We can dispatch one of our Worldships orbiting around Mars to provide you with a working model if you wish.

Don't forget to take your fake diamonds with you

Well DNS, of course ou got my funding, or has had my funding...

Well DNS, of course ou got my funding, or has had my funding...

Thanks, I've been banking on that.

Prelimiary specs, subject to change with time.

5 Ion Stream engines(explained in greater detail below)
1 slipstream motivator
50,420 turbolasers
60,000 laser cannnons
50,500 Ion cannons
40,000 missile tubes
1 superlaser(explained below)
300 linked sheild generators, provide 3 layers of shield cover.
43 docking bays (10 military,33 civilian/supplies/repair)
A full spacedock, with ship-producing capabilities


Included on station are 1,050,000 hydroponics tubes, capable of feeding the population onboard and provideing CO^2 to O^2. The engines when in motion will be very hot, along with our main computer cores; thus the cooling system for the computer cores will be part of the heating system for the ship. We are accepting Resi's offer/price for the plasma reactors. There are serveral full manufacturing plants onboard, and they acre capable of making everything that we need for minor and some major repairs.

Ion Stream engines: like an Ion Engine, but instead of 1 Ion at a time, we're shooting strings of several hundred Ions chained together at the same time. We are also working on a series of energy sheilds that would "sweep" nearby space for ions and move them into an imput duct near the front of the ship. The ship will launch with 4 of its engines operational, and the 5th will be completed during the first year of service

Superlaser: What is there to say? It's a laser taken to the next level powerwise, and takes about 2 minutes to charge for a full blast. It is equivilent to the destructive force of a 20kt nuke for everysecond that it is blasting something. This weapon will be completed a year after the ship is launched.

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The ship has enough manufacturing ability to fully allow for constand upgrades and fininshing while underway. Therefore in 19 years when the ship will be done enough to break Earth orbit, it will only have enought systems running at less-than optimal levels to ensure the continued life of the population aboard ship. The systems will be running at optimal levels within 5 years of being underway, the engines and weapons systems being completed first.

Now for artificial gravity, I'm going to take a scientific leap and say that we have found the graviton, and can manipulate it. There will be a slight amount of gravitons already due to the massive size of this vessel, and we have found a way to manipulate them further to provide Earth-normal gravity. Basically we take what's there and amplify it, with a considerable drain to energy resources. Furthermore, in combat situations where all power will be needed for the energy based weapons systems, the artificial gravity will be stopped except in battle-critical areas.

Don't tell me we can't manipulate those particles, we can sure as hell speed up and amplify photons and other particles, so I can manipulate this.

Also in the works for an upgrade later on in the life of the mothership, we plan on using existing tech, and new research, to increase the number of slipstream jumps per week.

We plan also on getting permission from other space nations to allow for DNS-1 to "tour" their planets. Basically a huge voyage around the universe, and at every stop we would conduct trade and take aboard supplies and nessesites. For the first 2 years we will stay in near-sol space, not venturing much farther than Alpha Centuri.

Also another upgrade will be the enhancement of the weapons systems, and the adding of more turbolasers(1,000 - 2,000), laser cannons(1,500-3,000), and enhancements to the power of the superlaser(to 35kt per/second). These renovations and addition will take place 6-8 years after the main finishing of the ship is complete.

Too much invented tech and imaginary stuff for me. I know I generally don't go around accepting giant spaceships with giant superlasers and magic gravity and all. That cost like nothing :(

Too much invented tech and imaginary stuff for me. I know I generally don't go around accepting giant spaceships with giant superlasers and magic gravity and all. That cost like nothing :(

What part of 20+ years of all the money my govnerment can spare means nothing? I'm talking about trillions and trillions of credits here. And the "magic" is just science in a few hundred years. The superlaser is possible as well.

You can ignore it if you want, that's always your perogitive.

Someone else stated, and I agree with them, that it would take longer than that. Think of other government funded projects, like NASA. How many years it took them, and for comparitively simple things that had precedents.

And I suppose if you funded ALL your money for those years, yes. But then meanwhile your country is going through years of effective poverty.

And ions provide limited thrust... 's ok, since you're taking a long time to get relatively nearby. But that also makes them poor use as weapons. Most ions will just pass harmlessly through most matter, and do. But thats a SW thing I guess, depends on whether you consider SW tech to be tech.

If you would like assistance from us you need only ask.

If you would like assistance from us you need only ask.

Consider yourself asked.


Barbera, NASA is extreamly inefficient, and boggled down by huge amounts of red tape.

I RP the year 3500+ for my tech, and I'm funding most of my military budget and surplus, but leaving econmic stuff untouched. We're also subcontracting DNS workers, and our industries are free to help sponsor the project in return for 1/2 tax credit.

I'm not using Ion's as a weapon, just as a propultion system. Current Ion engines go one at a time, and are slow because of that. I use hundreds at a time, giving me a better "kick".

He's has had funding from me as well....

If you would like assistance from us you need only ask.Consider yourself asked.Tell us what we can provide (within reason) and we'll send it along.

I thought you were using ions as a weapon, since you listed

3,420 turbolasers
4,000 laser cannnons
2,500 Ion cannons
3,000 missile tubes

as among its weapons.


Anyway, if you're in 3500, you'll probably have something better than ions to use. Something that doesn't require fuel AND propellant, ya know.

I'd argue the ion thing further but, I can't seem to find my resource which explained my point in a way that made sense. :wink: Oh well.

Whops, I forgot about the Ion cannons. Bascially thats a charged particle delivery system that overloads electrical circuts.

I think my Ion Stream drive will be something like 10x-100x more powerful than a regular Ion engine, and with 5 of them I should be able to chug along fairly fast.


Xanthal, we need mostly workers and funding right now, mining ops are progressing very well with Tor letting me use the spacegates(i think that was what teh were called) to transport the raw materials. It is being built right next to SNES, which has been reformatted into production/assembly line mode.

We can provide you with up to 5,000 laborers. Unfortunately we have very little actual currency circulating in the U.S.S.X. The Commonwealth credit is almost entirely circulated for international transactions. Our 'currency' is almost entirely resources.

Understood, thank you for the laborers, and if you could point other allies here it would be a help.

My allies are your allies for the most part, you can alert who you would like to.

As an ally in NATO, we will donate 5 billion dollars to this project.

Consider the money wired.

The Principality of Taka, always one to encourge other nations to follow its example and leave the confines of earth. Towards this goal we are willing to aid your research with both money and scientists, should aid be asked. On the other hand, if you would be interested in our teleportation technology, please contact our Minister of Trade via wire, and we will work out a trade agreement for that brand of FTL travel. Should you require money or workers, simply let us know, and the greated minds in all of Taka will be transported to your nation to help you in this monumental step foward for your nation.

Yuugi Mizuna
Aid of Science to High Prince Taka

Thank you Omz, and as for Taka...

We have currently finished the complete blueprints for the station and are nearly finished with the scientific application of theories, so the best help you could provide is workers to help process and build our station.

Thank you both, we hope to have this project completed on time with your, and everyone else's help.

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A small army of Takian engeneers, technical advisors, electricians, and skilled laborors, along with a small regiment of Takian Guard, to act as advisors and security personel, has been dispatched from our homeworld, they will arrive along with supplies that have donated by our country within a matter of days. We wish you well, and if any more suppiles or personell are needed, we will gladly send them.

We thank you again for you generous donation.

Anyone else? please?

Let's see, ramscoops... good, ion engines... good, laser... acceptable, size... what the freak?

A bit excessive. Why not just go with the macrolife concept, and start out with something just big enough, but with the capaility to add on to itself as needed?

Current Ion engines go one at a time, and are slow because of that.

Not true. Current ion engines throw off thousands, if not millions, of individual ions all together. Trying to accelerate a chain of ions would decrease efficiency. Not to mention the fact that it would be next to impossible to create such a chain. If you want more thrust, fire the particles faster. Add a linear particle accelerator or somethin'.

And for gravity, you don't need to go with some psuedo-science thing. It's rotationally symmetrical, just spin it. If you don't like the fact that you'll get less gravity in the inner sections, build the ship so that the core can rotate independantly from the rest. Alternately, you could go with the mini-blackhole route, or neutronium plating, but those would add unnecesssary mass and keep from really moving anywhere. Last, but certainly not least, there's the archetypal linear gravity wave generator, or you could ven go with a Utility Fog atmosphere to provide downward pressure on everything.

In a way it in macrolife, because it will be launched and then the areas will be finished as needed. But since I've made a few enemies... I would rather it be in one solid piece with a lot of guns. I like macrolife for freighters, but this is basically a big-ass capital ship for all intents and some purposes. Though personally I would pity the fool that tried to attack it. 3,420 turbolasers, 4,000 laser cannnons, 2,500 Ion cannons, and 3,000 missile tubes tend to speak very loudly.

Note: I'm not a NASA scientist in propultion methods, so correct me to any mistakes.

Well, Here's the change then, instead of going in waves the particles come out in a wave-like pulse after being accelerated by a series of magentic tunnels.

I actually like the qsuedo-science explination I came up with. It's very possible, and since its the year 3500+ for RP purposes I think I'll keep it.

Final pictures coming soon, but first my processor must overheat from all the rending I'm forceing on it!

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/69461/0.jpg
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/69461/2.jpg
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/69461/1.jpg
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/69461/3.jpg
Note: Diamond for outer skin, and between it and the transparisteel is a layer of radiophages, a 1 way mirror material to deflect lights and lasers, and a sealant in case of breach.

OOC: dammit, they got blurred by the image host.

*Begins shaking ruler at viewscreen*

Very nice, DNS. I like the "More weapons than you can shake a stick at" part.

Yeah, and more weapons than 4 people could shake sticks at after the upgrade :)

DNS~1 has been launched and upgraded according to schedual, and the current population of DNS is aboard. But the current population is pushing the limit, or will be soon. Therefore the same measures are being taken for DNS~2, an identical sister ship. Construction time will be 80 years(days), due to the shipyards producing at their best rates, and thosands of skilled workers from DNS~1 construction. It will go at a slighter slower pace only because of less funding per year.

Bump- for people to actually read about the ship and not just flame it based on little or no facts.

Bump, in the hope of people actually reading how DNS-1 came to be, and not just judgeing it based apon it's exterior.

Bump, in order to attempt to avoid purging.