NationStates Jolt Archive

Esteemed leaders of Erehwon, welcome to the Regional Headquarters and Cafe. Yes, we can talk about issues over a cup of joe. Anything on your mind, here is the place! :D

Greetings! I fear our thread will get lost in this busy-busy forum.

Now, I don't know why Divalantis is said to have a crime problem. We don't. We have strict law enforcement and good moral values. So, go fig.

Can anyone explain the Lord Shrub incident?

Lord Shrub stated that your nation had committed espionage, and that he would not condone such actions against his nation, nor anybody else who condoned it. I offered my nation as a neutral location to engage in peace talks, but he has not replied.

OOC
Greetings all,

I've got it bookmarked, so hopefuly shouldn't lose track of it.

The Shrub situation, originated when the leader of Narrow Values, doing a pretty good job of channeling a certain real-world "leader", who shall remain nameless. Accused Divalantis of conduscting a rogue WMD program and thereby threatening the well-being of Narrow Values and indeed, and threatened military action to "eleminate" this threat.
Our Most Exalted UN rep, offered to mediate the dispute, Snivilling Hound, Myself and Ella-Sings reacted rather more, uhm ... assertively. ANd that pretty much brings you up to date. Narrow Values has yet to indicate if they are as interested in initiateing a war against somewhere between 2 and 4 nations as they were against one. Of course that's not to say that they aren't beating the bushes attempting to gather their own coalition as we speak. DA DA DUM, the situation could still get interesting before it blows over.

JB (aka Prime Minister E. Veri Mann)

:) Good job, dats. I've bookmarked this, as well. Who has joined us here? There are some new nations I don't recognize.

SG
Exalted elected leader of Caucapino

OOC

The ratings system is interesting isn’t it? I’ve been number 2 in Erehwon for two days running now. second most compassionate population, and now second largest gambling industry. Apparently Diversitas is a nation of soft-hearted gamblers? Not the most commonplace of cultural images, but WTH, could be a lot worse I guess.

Contemplatively Yours
JB (aka E. Veri Mann)

I don't know all of the nations that have come as I have sent out at least 30(no kidding) telegrams to nations that I have never heard of. I targeted newer ones, and new people joining the UN. And the rating system is very weird. I'm used to being almost last in everything. WTH?

Many greetings from the Nightingale Realms,

I do hope that some of the nations I'm unfamiliar with will post here, so we can get a better idea of who they are. I know the leader of Whachagonnado, having recruited him, and can say that he may not post at all. His is a laid-back, "why the hell should I bother?" kind of nation. But it'd be good to hear more from Hoosbaine and Malucos, EllaSings and those strange nations of Fair Trials and Bela Lugosi.

And it's Sniveling, Prime Minister Mann. But you can call me Hound.

Sniveling Octavius Hound of the Nightingale Realms

I don't understand this whole "war" thing. Is this part of the game? Maybe I should look for a FAQ or something because I want to play, I am just confused.

Diversitas: Soft-Hearted Gamblers! LOL!

Dat, be careful of who you are inviting to Erehwon. We're a special place and we don't want just ANYONE, any rabble coming into our region, do we?

Perennially Against Immigration,
AQ

Greetings, all.

I've bounced from country to country, looking for maturity and finally came over to see you. I would imagine most of you know who I am. If ya don't want me, tell me, and I'll go look elsewhere!

:P

OOC, there aren't any technical aspects of war in the game...do I call you Nicole or ArcticQueen?...but some people like to roleplay it out. I've glanced around a little bit, and I've rarely seen it get beyond a little military posturing. Don't sweat it. You've got an entire coalition behind you. Of course, all the political pressure in the world didn't stop the real Shrub. So, who knows?

Hello, esteemed leader of AciraZade. Welcome to the neighborhood.

Sniveling O. Hound

Divlantis

Don't worry. I research the people coming in. And besides, if they get out of hand, we can always vote them out. There are wars that are role-played here, but there are also standards in the FAQ. None of us really have a large population with a lot of money, but combined we can kick some butt! 8)

OOC

“And it's Sniveling, Prime Minister Mann. But you can call me Hound.”

My deepest apologies. Actually looking over that post it’s not hard to tell that I forgot to spell-check, your name is very far indeed from the only error present.
My Bad.
JB

IC (more or less)

Supreme Goddess Nicole,

You may not have noticed as yet but you and I are actually among the regional powers that be. In terms of population, which is about the only real measure of power in this thing, either of us independently is slightly larger than Narrow Values, combine the two of us with Nightingale and Ella and we have a population of, at present 109 million, which is then contrasted to Narrow Values 40 million. As I mentioned earlier, unless Lord Shrub is able to assemble his own coalition, he would be essentially committing national suicide to even make the attempt.

Belligerently Yours,
E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas

I do hope that some of the nations I'm unfamiliar with will post here, so we can get a better idea of who they are. And it's Sniveling, Prime Minister Mann. But you can call me Hound.

Sniveling Octavius Hound of the Nightingale Realms

Hound--

I post on bnet as caffeineaddict70-- I only joined ranks there a couple of months ago, although I've been reading posts for much longer than that.

What more would you like to know? :D

OOC

Is anyone else following the current UN vote?
We’re talking ten to one voting here, by far the widest margin I’ve seen yet.
What is your position Dat? I think I messaged you on the regional board that I was in favor of this one, in spite of the fact that I generally don’t approve of “legislating morality”.
JB

Actually, I saw some pretty good discussion of the subject from one of the larger regions whose delegate voted against the proposition. The rebellious nations of that region were incensed that an international organization like the U.N. should pass legislation governing legal matters which should be dealt with individually on the national level. I tend to agree.

As it is, the only leeway a country will have is how the resolution shall be carried out. Shall we stone the pedophiles to death, or put them into reeducation camps, or fine them?

It is the same as it was with the previous resolution. Is a fair trial a trial by a jury of his peers or, as the Rogue Nation of Fair Trials suggested, simply a trial that is held at a fair? And is it possible, once we've defined a fair trial, for an accused pedophile to get one?

Sniveling Octavius Hound

We of Hoosbaine just feed 'em to the Boojums.

After a "Fair" trial of course.



Director Brunt - Elected leader of Hoosbaine
(known as Dromahair on b-net)

The problem that I have with the current resolution is the same as the others, they are not specific enough. Who's writing these resolutions, Dan Quayle? And its the big regions that get these resolutions passed because they have enough people to approve it, and then vote for it. With the wording so vague, its as if the resolutions do not exist. If anyone has any resolution ideas, let me know as I am in constant contact with three other delegates, two of them have regions with over 5,000 nations.

Dat

Bwahahahaha! The Empire of Narrow Values has the lowest I.Q. scores in the region. I now consider these U.N. surveys to be infallible.


Esteemed Datbury, do you intend to vote against the current proposition?

Sniveling Octavius Hound

AZ, you came to hang out with us in our region? I feel so flattered. The only aspect of this game which could improve might be the issues we're addressing, which I've answered it seems a dozen times each. Did you know we can submit our own issues for consideration?

Perhaps we should make up a few. I know with the brilliant minds represented here (mandatory sterilization for idiots within our region, you know), we could come up with some good stuff.

SG
Benevolent elected leader of caucapino

P.S. I have on good intelligence that some kinky shit is happening in Bela Lugosi.

We could always put in a 'No Vague Resolutions' Resolution.

I suspect people would then complain that the new more specific resolutions don't leave enough 'wiggle room' for individual states to apply the 'new rules' in a manner consistant with their national values/identity.

OOC

I’m afraid I just don’t see the problem with this particular resolution, other than not defining precisely what may constitute “molestation” it seems fairly clear. As I mentioned in one of my other posts on the topic, despite my objection to moralistic resolutions in general this one seems pretty straightforward, it also would seem to have little real impact. I would assume that essentially all member nations already have laws to this effect in place, most of them far stricter in all probability. Considering that puberty frequently begins as early as 9 or so, I don’t think restricting the age of consent to oh let’s say 10 or above is particularly controversial.

JB

OOC

Oh yeah if anyone is in the market, our Diversitas geologists just discovered large deposits of Uranium. We are of course taking appropriate environmental precautions, but we ARE developing this resource. It would seem that Narrow Values worst nightmares might be coming true. It seems rather ironic actually, just as the real Shrub fixated on the wrong target, it would seem the fictional version has determined to do the same.

JB (aka Prime Minister E. Veri Mann, Diversitas)
Self-proclaimed ringleader, Axis of Easels.

I was waiting to see if there were any more replies from the Erehwon nations before I made a decision. I am not in favor of it because it is vague, and pre-pubescent can mean an 11 year old girl may be considered old enough to decide if she is going to have consentual sex. That is outrageous, and I won't support that. i suggested 17 and under to the author, but I have to remember that there are people here from other countries where one could be considered an adult at 15 years of age. I still prefer a set age.

OOC

I would agree, but the wording of the resolution in no way precludes you from setting any age you might prefer. It simply says that you must have a law setting such restrictions, and that the law, must, at a minimum protect pre-pubescent children. Or at least that’s how I understand it. Feel free to set the age of consent at 35 in Ellington if you wish, I’m sure it’s make many an overprotective father quite happy. :-)

JB

Its that minimum that bothers me. Why not take a chance and pick a number? In Ellington, we have strict moral and ethics codes, not to mention very high standards in education(we are low in the survey because our kids finish school very early due to the intense curriculum)and our crime is almost non-existant. I'll vote as a delegate how the majority of you guys want me to since my vote counts more than once.

OOC

I suppose my argument in favor of the proposition could be reduced to a fairly sim[le practical basis. In those countries that already have such laws, such as Ellington and for that matter Diversitas (although I suspect ours are rather more liberal than yours), this resolution would have no impact whatsoever. In the relative handful of member states where no such laws currently exist, this resolution will impose at least a minimal set of protections for the most vulnerable members of society. It therefore has my full support, at least until a more satisfactory measure comes along.

JB

By the way, I respect your position on abiding by the consensus, I continue to post my arguments not so much in an attempt to convince you, as for the benefit of our mutual readership.

Ack! One for the resolution, one against. The deadline is tonight. I will be offline at 310pm cst today. If nothing has transpired, I will vote against the resolution.

Datbury

Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

EllaSings has already voted for the resolution, largely for the reasons already eloquently established by JB.

Ella!!!!!!!!! You came in just 60 seconds too late. I have already voted against the resolution although it seems that it will pass.

OOC

JB, you know that "OOC" stands for "Out of Character", right? You don't need it before every post, just the ones that you post as a player of Nationstates, as opposed to the Prime Minister of Diversitas.

SG, what kind of "kinky shit"? Have your black helicopter people call my black helicopter people.

Sniveling Hound

IC

Regional Leaders,

In the interest of regional solidarity, and against our better judgement, Diversitas has withdrawn its vote in favor of the current resolution, and has instead abstained from voting on the issue.

Prime Minister E. Veri Mann

OOC 8)

Hound, I suppose it’s usually rather obvious which type of post I’m making, even without the label. The distinctive labeling is an old habit from a different forum, long, long ago. In any case it certainly doesn’t hurt to be specific on the type of post in question, particularly in a game where role-playing could become VERY important indeed.
JB

OOC, sorry, JB. I've been nitpicky and irritable lately. Well, more than usual. Apologies.

Hound

In order to maintain regional unity and goodwill, EllaSings also has withdrawn her UN vote and instead will choose to abstain.

The people of The Most Serene Republic of Hoosbaine have directed me (their most humble representative) to likewise withdraw our vote for the pending resolution and to abstain from voting on this issue. In this instance we believe that regional solidarity is more important than supporting a measure which (while well intentioned) would have no real effect upon our society.

May the light of wisdom and friendship continue to shine upon all the nations of fair Erehwon!

Director Brunt - Elected leader of Hoosbaine

Moving on to more important things, I think we should pressure the Sultan of Aetho-Roma to host an executive fishing trip. According to the latest U.N. survey, our good friends of said Sultanate have the best trout fishing in the region! What do you think, eh?

Sniveling O. Hound

You bring up a good point Octavius! :D I have not received an invitation to fish in that nation. I think such a trip would afford an oppourtunity for each of the nation's leaders to bond. Well, at least those who like to fish.

Datbury

Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington



Does anyone know if there is a signature attachment to posts? My nations name is too long! I should have called myself the Fifedom of Groo.

"We could always put in a 'No Vague Resolutions' Resolution. "

This is a brilliant idea, which should be quickly followed with SG's resolution to sterilize idiots.

After reading the discussions on the current UN resolution, Acira, founder and vicarious leader of the Commonwealth of AciraZade, has also chosen to abstain from voting on this resolution.

Acira

Our region continues to grow. After several phone conversations with Diversitas, I wanted to recommend establishing a council specifically for our region.
The purpose of the council would be to mediate conflicts, promote peace in the region, preside over international proceedings specific to Erehwon that may include non-UN nations, vote to eject stupid people from the region, and to protect the numerous sovereign nations within our region.
I recommend that five nations sit on this council, and the endorsed delegate is not allowed to sit on the council as the purpose of the delegate is representation in the UN, not regulation.
I also recommend a forum is established specifically for issues that requires the councils input.
I recommend that the council is not granted power to force legislation on any nation, but is authorized to propose an embargo against a nation that is found to be in conflict with the regions' goals puruant to a 3/4 vote by all members of the Erehwon region.
I recommend that a timeline be established by the council to move on a decision regarding the region.
I recommend that once the council members are elected, a unanimous approval of all Erehwon nations must be submitted before another election takes place, or if a council member resigns, an emergency election must take place. In order for a nation to be on a council, that nation should be nominated by another nation.

Please discuss, add or subtract any addendums to this proposal to your leisure so that we can approve or disapprove.

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

Our region continues to grow. After several phone conversations with Diversitas, I wanted to recommend establishing a council specifically for our region.
The purpose of the council would be to mediate conflicts, promote peace in the region, preside over international proceedings specific to Erehwon that may include non-UN nations, vote to eject stupid people from the region, and to protect the numerous sovereign nations within our region.
I recommend that five nations sit on this council, and the endorsed delegate is not allowed to sit on the council as the purpose of the delegate is representation in the UN, not regulation.
I also recommend a forum is established specifically for issues that requires the councils input.
I recommend that the council is not granted power to force legislation on any nation, but is authorized to propose an embargo against a nation that is found to be in conflict with the regions' goals puruant to a 3/4 vote by all members of the Erehwon region.
I recommend that a timeline be established by the council to move on a decision regarding the region.
I recommend that once the council members are elected, a unanimous approval of all Erehwon nations must be submitted before another election takes place, or if a council member resigns, an emergency election must take place. In order for a nation to be on a council, that nation should be nominated by another nation.

Please discuss, add or subtract any addendums to this proposal to your leisure so that we can approve or disapprove.

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

Our region continues to grow. After several phone conversations with Diversitas, I wanted to recommend establishing a council specifically for our region.
The purpose of the council would be to mediate conflicts, promote peace in the region, preside over international proceedings specific to Erehwon that may include non-UN nations, vote to eject stupid people from the region, and to protect the numerous sovereign nations within our region.
I recommend that five nations sit on this council, and the endorsed delegate is not allowed to sit on the council as the purpose of the delegate is representation in the UN, not regulation.
I also recommend a forum is established specifically for issues that requires the councils input.
I recommend that the council is not granted power to force legislation on any nation, but is authorized to propose an embargo against a nation that is found to be in conflict with the regions' goals puruant to a 3/4 vote by all members of the Erehwon region.
I recommend that a timeline be established by the council to move on a decision regarding the region.
I recommend that once the council members are elected, a unanimous approval of all Erehwon nations must be submitted before another election takes place, or if a council member resigns, an emergency election must take place. In order for a nation to be on a council, that nation should be nominated by another nation.

Please discuss, add or subtract any addendums to this proposal to your leisure so that we can approve or disapprove.

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

Our region continues to grow. After several phone conversations with Diversitas, I wanted to recommend establishing a council specifically for our region.
The purpose of the council would be to mediate conflicts, promote peace in the region, preside over international proceedings specific to Erehwon that may include non-UN nations, vote to eject stupid people from the region, and to protect the numerous sovereign nations within our region.
I recommend that five nations sit on this council, and the endorsed delegate is not allowed to sit on the council as the purpose of the delegate is representation in the UN, not regulation.
I also recommend a forum is established specifically for issues that requires the councils input.
I recommend that the council is not granted power to force legislation on any nation, but is authorized to propose an embargo against a nation that is found to be in conflict with the regions' goals puruant to a 3/4 vote by all members of the Erehwon region.
I recommend that a timeline be established by the council to move on a decision regarding the region.
I recommend that once the council members are elected, a unanimous approval of all Erehwon nations must be submitted before another election takes place, or if a council member resigns, an emergency election must take place. In order for a nation to be on a council, that nation should be nominated by another nation.

Please discuss, add or subtract any addendums to this proposal to your leisure so that we can approve or disapprove.

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

OOC, Stop it Datbury! For the love of God stop posting that same post over and over again! It's damaging my fragile mind!

Hound

A stricly regional international forum would be welcome. The Nightingale Realms would be happy to participate, although, as is our policy, we reserve the right to pull out if we feel our integrity would be compromised, our honor sullied, or if we're just feeling grumpy.

So, who's in on this fishing trip? If we can't get Sultan Shemaryahu's permission, we could try the King of Myrkland. And if that doesn't work, AciraZade and I have the 5th and 6th best trout fishing in the region, respectively. There's some other people in between, but I haven't really had any diplomatic contact with them.

OOC, you know, Dat, I think there's a way to increase the number of posts viewable at the Regional Civil Headquarters. I seem to remember seeing some regions with a seemingly endless string of posts at the Headquarters.

Or maybe I jsut imagined it.

Sniveling Octavius Hound

Leaders of Erehwon,

As he seems to be one of our few reliable diplomatic contacts (that’d be regular posters) I hereby nominate Sniveling Octavius Hound of The Nightingale Realms for membership in the regional council.

E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas

as I am new here I will make this short, Hound I believe you were eighth in the fishing rankings, I know you will not take offense to my correction as our people are so close, I could be wrong however...<shrug> what are you gonna do, right?


goodday or night


Luke
leader of the borderlands and currently battleing the Dark Side

Yeah, I was mistaken. I think I got the fishing rankings confused with the gambling rankings. Or intelligence. I don't know. 7th and 8th, then.
No offense taken, Chief.

Thank you for the nomination, Prime Minister Mann. I am flattered.

Sniveling Hound

Esteemed Leaders of Erehwon,

I would like to nominate Diversitas to the council! You go girl!

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

OOC

Chanting, we’re number 1, we’re number 1….
No real surprise I suppose, for the most eco-friendly government.
You’ve got a Neo-Pagan for number 1, a Heathen for number 2, and a sort of heathenish agnostic for number 3.
Datbury you should be ashamed, 21st out of 23, sheesh, do you guys consider competitive deforestation to be the national sport or what? ;-)

JB

IC
Most Exalted Datbury

It is with a humble heart that I accept the nomination. The people of Diversitas would like me to express their thanks, not only for this honor, but the tireless commitment that you have made to the service of our entire region.

Humbly Yours
E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas
:oops:

I think this council needs a chaotic member to keep the lawful ones in line. Who (other than myself) could fit this bill? I do feel this council needs a voice of anti-reason to maintain equilibrium.

Acira, Founder and vicarious leader of the Commonwealth of AciraZade

I'll nominate you, AciraZade. You seem like good people.

So now we've got the leader of a nation of nomadic anarchists, a self-proclaimed voice of anti-reason, and the Monarch of Diversitas, a rational, progressive nation of Neo-pagans. Somebody nominate a police state. Or at least a more right-wing country.

What's up with the U.N.? They've been pondering this Pedophilia resolution to death! Pass the blasted thing and move on, I say.

humbly,
Sniveling Hound, consort of the Lady Ethyl DeLain, nominal ruler of the Nightingale Realms

Has anyone talked to the King of Myrkland? His is a Libertarian Police State - which would seem to fit the bill - but I don't think he has posted here yet and I gather we are looking for more active posters.

Hoosbaine

I so wanted to nominate myrkland, but he hasn't posted in a while. But I guess a mostly absent representative is pretty realistic, no? :)

On behalf of the people and creatures of Quartiquay, I just wanted to introduce myself and our very earnest and sincere little nation. We are blessed to be a part of this region, and look forward to getting to know our neighbors.

Just A Guy,
Duly Appointed Representative of the People and Creatures of Quartiquay

OOC

“So now we've got the leader of a nation of nomadic anarchists, a self-proclaimed voice of anti-reason, and the Monarch of Diversitas, a rational, progressive nation of Neo-pagans. Somebody nominate a police state. Or at least a more right-wing country.”

Yes please do, it would seem that I am presently the far right of our prospective council, and that is downright frightening. Do any of the right-wingers post regularly? It seems that all of us with too much time on our hands are center to leftist types. Datbury runs a police state, more-or-less, but he has disqualified himself.

JB

I'm a fundy. I'll run.

Bwahahahaha! The Empire of Narrow Values has the lowest I.Q. scores in the region. I now consider these U.N. surveys to be infallible.

Sniveling Octavious Hound, LOL!!!!!

I'm still confused about the OOC and the ICs and stuff. One stands for Out of Character (?) but my poor, small, pea brain can't always tell what's in character and what's out, and why do you change, and does any of it matter???

I still don't want to join any councils, so if Divalantis should vacate the region, all will be understood with no hard feelings. Perhaps we need our own isolated region. Maybe our own planet.

OOC 8)

OOC means out of character, as in I’m posting as me JB.
IC means in character, as in I’m posting as E. Veri Mann, PM of Diversitas.
I switch back and forth to make it clear who is saying what.
You have to realize I’ve been role-playing since I was 13 (I’m 39, do the math), so I’m a little more practiced than most at this stuff.
Besides nobody other than myself, and occasionally Hound even bothers, so I guess it’s pretty optional at this point.

I’d hate to see you go, I’ve tried the solitary region bit, and it’s pretty dull, nothing to do but sit back and check for issues once in awhile. If your in the market, however, I think the region of Cormanthyr is still active, I can let you have it dirt cheap. :D

JB

Datbury,

I have sent an Envoy to the king of far Myrkland.

Perhaps, I the good king will join us, we can work out that fishing trip as well!

I also sent messages to the King of Myrkland, as well as to the Kingdom of Malucos and the Theocracy of Dezregot, inviting them to sit down for a cup of coffee and intrigue at the Cafe. We'll have to wait and see if they accept. I was going to send one to the Emperor of Narrow Values and to the Queen of Bela Lugosi, but intelligence reports no activity in those nations for several days. Shrug.

Sniveling Octavius Hound

A fundamentalist, you say, dear Quartiquay? Of what kind?

Since Quartiquay is willing to have a go, I nominated that executive leader for the council post, as well as the leader of AciraZade and, if he's willing, the Sultan of Aethio-Roma.

Will due respect, I'd like to decline the nomination to the council. Perhaps at a later date, it might be possible, but the affairs of my nation must currently take precedence.

apologies,
Sniveling Octavius Hound

OOC

Yes I was somewhat curious about that myself Quartiquay?

See if I nominate you again Hound ~sniffs mightily~ humph

Seriously, I would second those nominations, also, has anyone considered EllaSings, or Hoosbaine, they both post on a regular basis. So does Divalantis, but she doesn’t seem to be interested in the position.

JB

A Christian fundamentalist of course. Although admitedly, sort of a left leaning humanistic eco-friendly Christian fundamentalist.

OOC

Personally I would have thought was contradiction in terms. :shock:

Too each his own, I guess, it’s part of MY faith not to judge others based on their belief system, and certainly not to expect them to abide by my opinion of what is or isn’t an acceptable faith.

In any case welcome aboard.

JB

Oh btw, I'm probably your pastor's worst nightmare, so I'm pretty sure my opinions shouldn't concern you over much. :wink:

Contradiction in terms? Sounds like we could have some wonderful conversations. I look forward to being your neighbor.

Diversity is good, but dicotomy and paradox are even better!

Just A Guy,
Duly Appointed Representative of the People and Creatures of Quartiquay

Most decidedly OOC
Quartiquay

I absolutely thrive on contradiction and dichotomy; actually I almost became a Buddhist for no other reason than my affection for Zen koans and the like. :wink:

Please don’t be offended, but you did imply that you would like an explanation.

A fundamentalist, of any flavor by my understanding, couldn’t be classified as liberal or even liberal leaning; the dictionary definition is as follows:

Fundamentalist: 1 sometimes capitalized : an adherent or proponent of Protestant fundamentalism
2 : an extreme conservative; especially : one who attacks any deviation from certain doctrines and practices he considers essential (as to a religious, political, or educational system)

Also, as I understand the term, humanism would more than slightly contradict many aspects of Christian fundamentalism.
Additionally the dominion of man over all “lesser” creatures would seem to make it somewhat hard to be “eco-friendly”, at least as I would understand that term.

Like I said, I do not share your faith, so my opinions thereof are necessarily those of an outsider looking in. But in the 25 years or so that I have been an active student of comparative religion, I have seen nothing that would tend to dissuade me from this interpretation.
None of which should be interpreted to imply that YOU personally cannot incorporate all of these various beliefs into your personal belief system. But it certainly does make for an interesting, and I would have to say, from my perspective at least, somewhat contradictory mixture.

I believe I did mention the “pastor’s worst nightmare” effect, didn’t I? :twisted:

Anyway, I look forward to your reply, btw if you’d like to continue this in a more appropriate forum, you might consider coming over to Beliefnet, and joining in either the Christianity Debate Forum, or the Paganism or Neo-Pagan Spirituality Debate forums (my faith boards). Alternatively you are welcome to email me personally, or catch me on MSN messenger I’m jbshaw63@hotmail.com.

I am open to contact from anyone on this board as well, not just Quartiquay, if anyone else is so inclined. Although if anyone sends me an email, you might want to let me know on one of the various forums, my filters and such are rather tightly woven, so if you send it blind, odds are I’ll never see it.

Peace, JB

Man, if you hadn't posted that last paragraph, JB, I was gonna be mad! Because you never offered ME your email addy!

Not that I have anything in particular to say, it's just, you know, the thought.

Yeah, I'm not really interested in councils in stuff. Guess I'm too selfish. I just like to talk and hang out and then do my own thing.

Myrkland (Tyrsson) must be busy or maybe forgotten about his country!

And the Shrub guy is back because he's posturing again, puffing up his puny chest.

Sorry AQ, I guess I just assumed you had it already. :oops:

It’s linked to my bnet profile, plus I’ve mentioned it a time or three on various forums over there. Usually in response to some twit claiming to have files that “prove” some pathetically ridiculous point or other; files that are conveniently too large to post, and not available online. So I offer them the address to allow them to simply transfer or email them over, of course so far I’ve yet to see any of them, but oh well. At least I made the effort, right?

Yes, by the way, I am aware that there is a certain amount of risk involved, but hey, you only live once. Besides using the hotmail address means that anything hostile has to get by MSN’s security before it even reaches me (which is rare), and then it has to get thru MY security (which so far has never happened). I format my system and do a complete reinstall every few months anyway, just to keep things “fresh”, so having to do it a month or two early wouldn’t be all that much of a hardship.

Anyway, you’ve got it now. :D

JB

IC

Most Exalted Datbury,

The people of Diversitas support the current UN resolution outlawing deforestation.
While we are reluctant to impose our values on the wider international community, it must be recognized that the biosphere exists as a worldwide matrix. To damage any portion of this truly international resource is to diminish and disrupt it in its entirety.
Since it is logical to assume that only international regulation can be expected to effectively address such a potentially global catastrophe, we whole-heartedly endorse this resolution.

Sincerely,
E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas

OOC (I guess. Although there is a certain amount of safety in expressing your beliefs IC)

Dear JB

Actually I came here from Beliefnet, where I am Just A Guy. Datbury gave us sort of an open invitation on CC&C. I've tried the liberal fundy routine there for almost three years and never got much of a reaction, so thank you.

Here is the explanation. I am probably not strictly a fundamentalist. I am a conservative evangelical. That describes me theologically. On Beliefnet that usually close enough to being a fundy to count.

Since I take my Bible literally and seriously, verses like "turn the other cheek" lead me strongly towards pacifism. Since both the OT and NT continually speak of the importance of caring for the poor and Jesus actually shows a preference for the poor, I am in favor of laws that assist the poor, and remove any oppression and obstacles to their success.

Since "the earth is the Lord's and the fullness therein" and Adam was charged with keeping and taking care of the Garden we are stewards of the earth. I see a huge responsibility to take care of the earth in a way that honors its Creator. In real life I work full-time promoting reforestation. I am not alone, by the way. See the following Outside article: http://web.outsideonline.com/magazine/200103/200103christian1.html

Since both Jesus and Paul spend a lot of time telling us that is not the laws we follow, but what's in our heart, that makes us holy, I tend to believe that laws governing morality are a waste of time, unless they are in place to protect a victim.

Since Jesus talks of "every tribe and nation" and the "ends of the earth" it is pretty obvious that he doesn't favor one nation over another, and I am stunned by the misplaced fervor of American patriotism. I have been deeply disturbed by our "War on Terror."

Since in the NT, Jesus has patience with every sinner except the smug self-righteous religious leaders, it seems pretty clear that the one thing I do not want to be is a smug self-righteous religious leader.

I am not the only conservative evangelical who gets this sort of orientation from his Bible. But clearly we are the minority. I have never understood why. It isn't too much of a stretch to see that taking care of the oppressed and downtrodden is a central theme for Jesus.

So there you have it. Thanks for listening.

Just A Guy

OOC

Just A Guy

Ah, so you’re a Real Christian then! It’s a pleasure to meet you; I think that makes you something like the sixth one I’ve encountered. :wink:
Seriously, from my (admittedly cynical) perspective, it seems as though modern Christianity consists of about 90% later day “Scribes and Pharisees”, with the genuine “Disciples” mostly spending their time trying not to devoured by the hypocritical beast.
I think you and I could become allies, and perhaps even friends; on quite a few issues, social welfare and related subjects, as well as environmental causes, we would seem likely to find a great deal of common ground.
Unfortunately we are unlikely ever to reach much accord on religious issues; the nature of your faith (monotheistic, exclusionary, etc.) pretty much precludes you from accepting someone with a markedly different view of things as anything other than a perhaps well intentioned, but nevertheless damned, “Infidel”(at best).
The opposite by the way, is not true, my faith (inclusive polytheistic pantheism) has no difficulty accepting differing beliefs, and indeed seems to thrive on diversity, and even discord.
If I may offer an example, one of my favorite sayings runs something like “Truth can be found in many places, and under many names, neither I nor anyone else holds the patent” (jbshaw in a chat forum, a week or so ago), which in slightly varying forms, is an almost universally held belief among modern Neo-Pagans. Which contrasts rather markedly with “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.,” (John 14:6), which I believe to be an equally widely held belief among modern Christians (excluding some, although not all, Gnostics).
Then you have the issue of fundamentally conflicting world-views. Most Christians consider the body and indeed the world in general to be little more than “temptations of the flesh”. It seems to be sort of an obstacle course through which one must pass in order to reach “paradise”. For most Pagans, on the other hand, this world is every bit as important as the next, if not more so. We celebrate the body; and we revel in our union with the natural world. Our conceptions of the afterworld, ranging from the Summerlands to Valhalla, are generally little more than slightly improved versions of the world in which we currently live. Indeed many of us consider them to be little more than “rest stops” where we get a bit of R & R before returning to celebrate this world once again. Most of us deny the very concept of “eternal damnation”, and find it utterly inconceivable that any God/dess, particularly one who is portrayed as a loving and compassionate Power, could be so manifestly cruel and unjust.
As I said earlier it is an entirely different approach, not just to Divinity, but also to life as a whole.

JB

I enjoyed the link by the way, I was aware of eco-Christians, but hadn’t as yet come across quite so thoughtful an account of their beliefs and activities. I would very much enjoy an opportunity to chat with Peter (and his llama), although I strongly suspect that I’d still feel much more acceptance (and love) from your average tree-hugging Neo-Pagan Pseudo-Druid. :D

IC

Most Exalted Datbury

The Commonwealth of Diversitas wishes to co-sponsor the nomination of The People’s Republic of Quartiquay for a seat on The Council of Erehwon.

Sincerely,
E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas

Lodged From Message
4 days ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Considering that this is a small region, and very few posters, I move that we put a deadline on entrants vying for delegation in this region. The deadline that I propose is Monday, July 7 at 1159 pm EST.
3 days ago The Most Serene Republic of Closing Time I am amenable to your suggestion, providing that the people of Erehwon are not opposed. I would like to share a couple of points that I feel are important.
Firstly, it is important that any delegate selected must have the unanimous endorsement of all the leaders of Erehwon. While a delegate who simply receives a majority of votes could win the election, he would not have the voting power in the UN that a representative with unanimous support would enjoy. If our voice is to be heard, we must speak as one.
Secondly, our delegate must accurately represent the will of the people of Erehwon. As time passes, nations change, and it would be unwise to elect a delegate for life. As such, we should put into place a procedure for recalling our delegate. I would suggest holding a recall election if 1/3 of the leaders of Erehwon petition. Additionally, a petition signed by a plurality of leaders endorsing a single delegate would be able to bypass the recall election process.
I would welcome any input on these suggestions
May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwon.
-Councilman Waits
2 days ago The Most Serene Republic of Hoosbaine "Firstly, it is important that any delegate selected must have the unanimous endorsement of all the leaders of Erehwon."

By which I suppose you mean those leaders of nations with UN membership? Only about half the nations in this region are members after all.
1 day ago The Republic of Caucapino I sense that the enlightened leader of closing time is attempting to build concensus. I think this may provide a valuable exercise in just how difficult the premise of concensus actually is when you're talking about a diverse group of people with diverse agendas and diverse interests.

SG,
Benevolent Elected Dictatress of Caucapino
1 day ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Platforms can be deceiving. How about a friendly debate?


Datbury
Exalted Elected Ruler of Duke Ellington
13 hours ago The Queendom of Bela Lugosi Welcome, Divalantis and Bela Lugosi!!! :)

We can always use more divas and vampires!
11 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Bela-How about band leaders? :P
10 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington People of the Erehwon region, the proposed deadline is quickly approaching. We have shown very little activity in this region, yet we'd like to have adequate representation in the UN. This will require heavy recruiting, along with the expected duties of a public servant. I profess to you that the Republic of Duke Ellington will not only represent your collective ideas, but I will use my gov't monies to finance recruiting efforts to have a strong voice in the UN. We are a small region in population, but the largest region in heart. We all possess a commitment to not only protecting the needs of ourselves, but the needs of the world. Many of us have busy schedules, and do not have the time to spend researching each of the current issues, but I proclaim that as your delegate, I will brief each of you on every pressing issue, and will vote according to your wishes. The only thing that I require is your endorsement, and I will give you my time.


Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of The Republic of Duke Ellington
9 hours ago The Kingdom of Myrkland Exalted leaders of Erehwon,

The proud people of Myrkland respectfully vote not to have a voice in the United Nations. What possible use is surrendering one's sovereignty to the tyranny of democracy?

In frith,
Týsson, Most Benevolent King of Myrkland
Seconds ago The Most Serene Republic of Closing Time While I disagree with the conlusion made my neighboring monarch, I must agree with the principle on which he has made his decision. Enshrined in the right to take any particular course of action must be the complementary right to choose not to act.
On that note, I see that noone has chosen to endorse any of the current candidates as of the selected deadline. I would encourage all of you to do so as soon as is possible. I see the wheels of progress turning in the world surrounding us, and I fear that our inaction will leave us both unable to harness that progress or to temper it.
May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwon
-Councilman Waits

I have always found the term leader to be an unfortunate one, as it relates to any democratically elected offical. I see myself as a servant of the needs of my country and it's citizens. As a delegate for Erehwon, I would bring that same spirit into my role as representative of our fair region.
Stump speeches aside, I am a man of actions and of ideas. Rather than dazzle you with meaningless promises, or insult your intelligence with foolish braggartry, I feel it is better that I simply share my ideas with you.
One matter of grave importance has just been made evident to me. It appears that the records kept by the bureaucrats at our civil headquarters have been being systematically destroyed. It is vital that these records be permanetized, and kept for posteritys sake. If future generations cannot see the mistakes we have made, they are certain to repeat them.
I see another matter of importance in regards to how we the leaders of Erewhon will be represented by our delegate in the UN. We must decide on the matter of proportional representation. Should a leader of a nation of 500 million have the same say as the leader of a nation of 10 million, or should the voice that a leader has be effected by the number of people he speaks for?
I trust that these issues will be given the consideration they deserve.
May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwhon
-Councilman Waits

2 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington People of Erehwon-Do you even want a delegate to represent this region in the UN? I know that many of you enjoy chatting in the forums, and could honestly care less about the actions of the UN. Some of you don't even think that the there is any benefit to participating in the UN. Many regions participate in the UN and influence decisions that will affect us if we are all UN members. So my question is: Do the people of Erehwon want to be represented in the UN, or do you want to be a sovereign region? Understand that being a sovereign will make it easier for a group of hostile nations to take over our region. Selecting a gelegate now will make it hard for any group to take over our region. The choice, Erehwon, is yours. Just remember that I would like the opportunity to represent you in the UN if you decide to select a delegate.
104 minutes ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Oops, that is selecting a delegate.
25 minutes ago The Republic of Caucapino I would like representation in the UN as a UN member. I respect the wishes of those who respectfully wish to disassociate themselves with the UN, but on behalf of my own country, I desire a voice at the UN. I am also concerned about being targeted by hostiles given the small size and economics of most countries in Erewhon. Aside from the original denizens of Erehwon, most nations here are of precisely the same size, and thus, deserve equal representation. As for the original denizens, they ceased to function/ participate (it appears) some time ago.

I see many benefits to participating in the UN and few negatives. Respected ruler of Myrkland, do you care to share your opinions at greater length as to the negative aspects of UN involvement?

I have known the benevolent leader of Duke Ellington for quite a while, and he demonstrates many good qualities. The servant leader of Closing Time also is known to me as a man of peace, wisdom, and ability. I am in a bit of a quandary to select from between the two, both of whom are close allies and for whom I have great respect. Could either of you give us more information as to your priorities in the UN?

18 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Thank you SG, and be it known that if I am not selected, I will not take personal. My interests lay with the interests of the nations of Erehwon. My specific priorities(in no particular order as they are of equal importance) are: Economic stability, safety, nation's rights, peace, religious freedom, children's rights, women's rights, and the pursuit of happiness(through legal means only). I stand against tyranny, oppression, monopolies, hostile nations, and stupid people. I will not tolerate the mistreatment of anyone, especially women and children.
13 hours ago The Republic of Caucapino Well, anyone who is against stupid people can't be all bad. We have committed ourselves to a mandatory sterilization program for the chronically stupid. I highly recommend it.

"Don't let them breed!"

(Our new motto).

SG
12 hours ago The Constitutional Monarchy of Divalantis Most Esteemed Exalted Leader Datbury,

It is with pleasure that Her Royal Highness of Divalantis reads of your proposal and candidacy for the UN. If anyone would be an impassioned, thoughtful, and educated representative to such an international body, it would be thee.

However, the Constitutional Monarchy of Divalantis maintains an independent heart and resists forcefully any attempts to be prodded into following the crowd or into pleasing other nations.

While HRH finds your statement "We all possess a commitment to not only protecting the needs of ourselves, but the needs of the world" a noble one, it is one that we do not share.

We hope to live in peace, yet freely, in this, our wonderful region of Erehwon.

Cordially and With Deep Respect,
Her Majesty, Nicole.


12 hours ago The Constitutional Monarchy of Divalantis To The Republic of Caucapino,

Do you see a hostile takeover of Erehwon as imminent or a real threat?

HRH Nicole


7 hours ago The Most Serene Republic of Closing Time To those leaders whom soveriegnty is most important, I respectfully submit that I would be your best choice for Erewhon's delegate. While I understand that compromise will sometimes be necessary in any democratic enterprise, I will always strive to put the needs of our fair region first. I do not believe that there will be significant conflict in balancing these needs, as anything that is truly good for the world as a whole should benefit Erehwon as well.
May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwon
-Councilman Waits

6 hours ago The Most Serene Republic of Hoosbaine Hmmmm..., sent an envoy hours ago to announce that we of Hoosbaine had thrown in our lot with the Republic of Duke Ellington. Seems he never arrived here. Must have stopped off in a pub on the way and lost track of the time. Gotta get better envoys!

Anyway...,

It 'was' a pretty nifty speech...,

Can't remember any of it now of course (may have spent some time in a pub last night myself).

Ummmm..., yeah.

–Director Brunt • Elected leader of Hoosbaine


6 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Hoosbaine-Your envoy did not reach my nation, however, I will be glad to send a caravan to escort you to my nation so that we can discuss further the intricacies of a successful pub. :)
4 hours ago The Kingdom of Myrkland Howdy, most Majestic Nicole!

Well said! Such high minded ideas as protecting the needs of the world always sound so noble in principle. Yet in effect they bring only trajedy. Surrendering one's sovereignty to foreign powers only weakens the cultural foundation upon which one's entire culture is built. A citizen may speak with a loud voice in his local village, but his voice becomes ever softer as he moves to ever larger governing bodies until it is drowned out entirely against the din of world politics. No, Myrkland will never surrender her freedom to the tyranny of world democracy.

In frith,
Týsson the Recalcitrant


3 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Divlantis and Myrkland-I respect your wishes andpledge to do whatever I can to protect your sovereignty.

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington
2 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington People of Erehwon-There is a pending resolution in the UN, and as your current delegate, I'd like to hear your input into the matter. I am well aware that some of you are not UN members, so this matter pertains to those who are UN members. This is a portion of the resolution,"We maitain that all nations, irrespective of their mode of government must, according to the fundamental principles under which the UN was set up, must allow their citizens the right to fair trial, or face eviction from this institution."


4 minutes ago The Kingdom of Myrkland Nah, nah, NAH, nah, nah!

Told you so! :-P

His Most Humble Majesty,
Týsson
19 hours ago The Constitutional Monarchy of Divalantis Hear, hear, Your Recalcitrant Excellence Tysson! The tyranny of world democracy indeed!

Most Exalted Datbury,

Who defines what constitutes a "fair trial"?

HRH Nicole


13 hours ago The Most Serene Republic of Closing Time On the surface, the goals of this resolution are laudable. The nation of Closing Time strongly embraces the idea of fair trials, and feel that such a right should be guarranteed to all people. However, my people have two concerns, which I share, that will prevent me from being able to support this resolution.

Firstly, the author of this resolution made no attempt to outline what a fair trial would be, leaving open a high potential for abuse. Secondly, and possibly more importantly, the resolution suggests that noncompliance will result in eviction from the UN. This is something that is not currently possible; in essence, by approving this reslolution, we would merely be paying lip service to justice, but acheiving nothing.

If this resolution is reworded to deal with those issues, I would happily support it. As it is, I cannot in good faith do so.

May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwon.
-Councilman Waits
3 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Divlantis-That was the question of many nations including my own.


Closing Time-I am in complete agreement with your post. Vague resolutions only help perpetuate abuse instead of forming healthy relationships.

Leaders of Erehwon,

It has come to my attention that our current UN Delegate holds his position based on a single endorsement. This is not democracy. Also, we must remember that the UN is a big place, and in order for our voice to be heard, we must speak loudly and in unison! Please do not tarry in this important matter.
May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwon
-Councilman Waits

1 day ago The Republic of Duke Ellington People of Erehwon

It is true that I hold the position based on one endorsement. Each of you are able to endorse whomever you'd prefer to be the delegate, but this is a democracy. Voting or abstaining is still a vote. You may endorse or withdraw your endorsement at any time you desire. For those of you who do not wish to join the UN, any of those resolutions have no effect on you. I must also inform you that the endorsed delegate has the power to eject nations, and to require passwords to join this region. I propose that such matters be voted upon by members of the Erehwon region, and not left to the delegate for such a decision. Remember, the delegate should represent, not preside.
81 minutes ago The Constitutional Monarchy of Divalantis Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington Datbury,

Her Royal Highness Nicole would gladly endorse you as UN delegate as long as it does not imply our own nation's participation in the UN.

Also, Her Majesty knows neither where nor how to endorse you, so she feels at a loss.

Sufficiently,

HRH Nicole
3 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington To HRH Nicole,

Greetings and salutations. Love the hair! :)

To make an endorsement, click on the name of my country and it will bring you to the tidbit of info about my country. Scroll to the bottom, and you will see where you can make an endorsement. Thanks!

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of Duke Ellington
2 hours ago The Nomadic Peoples of The Nightingale Realms I had thought that one had to be a member of the United Nations to endorse a U.N. delegate.

Sniveling Octavius Hound, of the Nightingale Realms
2 hours ago The Nomadic Peoples of The Nightingale Realms Respected Datbury, Elected Leader of Duke Ellington,

Though my nation is not a member of the United Nations, I am curious. Can resolutions be removed once they have been implemented? Having looked through the resolutions of the past, many seem...frivolous, if not outright pointless. I look forward to your public reply to this matter, since I am sure I am not the only nation in Erehwon who has not yet decided to join the U.N.

humbly yours,
Sniveling Octavius Hound of the Nomadic People of the Nightingale Realms
11 hours ago The Nomadic Peoples of The Nightingale Realms Consequently, the Nomadic People of the Nightingale Realms remain unaffiliated with the United Nations at this time.

Hound

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11 hours ago The Empire of Narrow Values I, Lord Shrub, have decreed that we of the Narrow Minds, of whom I personally embody, cannot allow foreign intervention on the basis of another's differing definition of what is fair. My subjects all agree that I am fair, and so we need not others to tell us this. Incidentally, it has come to my attention via various spying oper**** um, I mean intelligence reports that Divilantis is building Weapons of Mass Destruction, including Nucyular ones. If this doesn't come to a halt, We of the Narrow Minds intend to pursue our own vende**** um, I mean pursue individual operations regardless of the opinions of those who would defend such terrorists.
Your Leader, D. Shrub
10 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Lord Shrub

Please take time to read the world fact book entry, and do everything within your power to consider a peaceful resolution with you and Divlantis. The Republic of Duke Ellington would be more than happy to provide a neutral site for a peace summit.
8 hours ago The Nomadic Peoples of The Nightingale Realms The Nomadic People of the Nightingale Realms would not look kindly upon any military incursion into the sovereign state of Divalantis.

I find your aggressive tone...disturbing.

speaking softly,

Sniveling Octavius Hound, consort to Lady Ethyl DeLain of the Nightingale Realms
8 hours ago The Nomadic Peoples of The Nightingale Realms And belated welcome to the Dominion of EllaSings. I think you've come to the right place.

many greetings,

Sniveling Octavius Hound
7 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Greetings nations of Erehwon,

We are a group of exemplary nations that are destined to be among the greatest nations in the world. As your delegate, I have promised to represent your interests in the world, regardless of your participation in the UN. Many of you are very intelligent, and it saddens me that you have chosen not to join the UN which is in dire need of enhancing. In other matters, it has come to may attention that there is allegations of espionage made towards one nation, Divalantis, by Narrow Values. I am not the president/dictator/overseer of this region although as your delegate I do have the power to eject a nation. Divlantis and Narrow Values are not UN nations, so there are no resolutions that allow me to make any final decisions that would be supported by the UN. I have offered my nation as a neutral site where peace talks can take place, and would appreciate any assistance into this matter. Violent actions taken by any nation in Erehwon are not viewed as viable. I implore both nations to consider my proposal, or any proposal where peace is the objective.

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington
5 hours ago The Commonwealth of Diversitas Lord Shrub,

We of Diversitas would of course prefer to see a peaceful diplomatic resolution to this crisis. However, we cannot in good conscience allow a peaceful Democratic neighbor to be slandered and/or attacked by a war-mongering Police State. It is therefore our intention to undertake immediate negotiations with the peace loving people of Divalantis with the objective of securing an immediate mutual defense pact. Until such time as a formal treaty may be concluded it is the policy of this government that any attack on Divalantis is an attack on Diversitas, and an appropriate military response will be initiated should such an attack occur.

Deterrently Yours,
Prime Minister Mann

3 hours ago The Commonwealth of Diversitas Most Exalted Datbury

The People of Diversitas wish to register our support of the newest UN resolution outlawing pedophilia, and indeed have already registered our individual vote to that effect. While we generally disapprove of international legislation that would impose arbitrary values on member nations, in this particular case the offense in question is so egregious and indeed the likely impact so minor (in that presumably nearly if not all member states already have laws to this effect), that we are willing to compromise our principles on this issue.

Sincerely,
E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister

2 hours ago The Dominion of EllaSings Erehwon is historically a place of peace and individual prosperity. And The Dominion of EllaSings wishes to preserve that legacy for future generations.

Although new to the region, the People of EllaSings feel compelled to speak out against the egregious action proposed against Divalantis by Lord Shrub. We ask that all peace-loving members of Erehwon join us in convincing The Empire of Narrow Values to follow a course of restraint rather than haste, and of diplomacy rather than violence.

Sincerely,
caffeineaddict70
Keeper of Correspondence
2 hours ago The Republic of Caucapino Welcome to the region, newcomers. Aside from the gross incursions by Lord Shrub, whose unchecked attempts at domination would almost certainly be crushed by the rest of us, y'all seem like good folks.
Due to the recent UN resolution, it appears that all UN members must offer their citizens "fair trials." For those nations who do not wish to change their legal systems, nor to endlessly debate the nature of a "fair trial," there is now another option.
My nation has seen a market opportunity, and we have siezed it. For a negotiable fee, the nation of Fair Trials will take custody of your prisoners, and try them under the rules of your nation. These trials will be held in our nations Fairgrounds, thus by definition making them "fair trials."
In addition to our rates (which I believe you will find to be quite reasonable), we would also like to offer our services at a highly discounted rate to any nation who would care to send a few of it's law professors to our law schools.

Respectfully Yours
Thomas Traubert
Chief Counsel for the nation of Fair Trials

1 day ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Diversitas

Your support of the current resolution is noted, and welcomed. Does any other UN nation in Erehwon have any comments regarding the current resolution? Also, I'd like to start a forum where we can discuss our issues, or simply chat where our messages won't be erased. Would any nation be interested in frequenting such a place?

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington
1 day ago The Nomadic Peoples of The Nightingale Realms I would certainly be interested in such a forum.

Sniveling O. Hound
1 day ago The Republic of Caucapino I also. Can we start a thread on the Forum for that purpose?
1 day ago The Most Serene Republic of Hoosbaine The people of the Most Serene Republic of Hoosbaine support the current UN Resolution at vote.

We also feel that it is of vital importance to keep the channels of communication between our many nations open as our region grows. A forum would be a most acceptable means toward this end.
1 day ago The Republic of Duke Ellington Erehwon Leaders, it is done! The forum is called,"Erehwon Civil Headquarters and Cafe". Hope to see you there.

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington
1 day ago The Constitutional Monarchy of Divalantis Fellow Leaders,

Wha???? Her Exceeding Goodness has been away inspecting the nation's dog kennels and has missed the communication from a Lord Shrub informing our holy nation Divalantis of an attempt at invasion.

We regret deeply that we cannot see those messages and find it unfortunate that The Powers That Be do not allow messages to remain. However, I see that our Righteous UN Delegate Datbury has opened a cafe for us. Bravo, Dat!

Divalantis and Our Good Queen extend heartfelt thanks to the Commonwealth of Diversitas and the Domain of EllaSings for your outspoken defense, and we are grateful for the support from all the nations of Erehwon.

Lest any adventure-seeker try his hand at conquering Divalantis, let it be known that our military is highly trained, highly equipped, and highly good at using our own environment to defend the country and its citizens. We also have special operations packs of exquisitely trained Doberman Pinschers that know no barrier to a good bite in the crotch.

Retiring Now of Feed the Dogs,
HRH Queen Nicole


1 day ago The Nomadic Peoples of The Nightingale Realms Hoom. My intelligence reports show a lack of governmental activity in the nations of D-Hara, Xambrighe, and Southeast Florida. Did we run these nations out of business by our sudden arrival? And, if so, can I have Southeast Florida's room? I mean, ahem, land?

Cheers,

Sniveling Octavius Hound, Grand Pooba of the Nomadic Peoples of the Nightingale Realms
10 hours ago The Republic of Caucapino I believe that the heir apparent of Southeast Florida is on vacation...As for D-Hara and Xambridge, I believe they're inactive.


7 hours ago The Republic of Duke Ellington I don't know who they are, but I am waiting for a response from Narrow Values.
2 days ago The Nomadic Peoples of The Nightingale Realms So, continuing a thought I started at the Cafe, who wants in on this fishing trip? Assuming, of course, that the Sultan grants permission for the national leaders to fish in his country. Or, if he doesn't, perhaps we can ask the King of Myrkland. Dip into the treasury and buy yourself some fishing gear and let's hit the water!

Sniveling Hound
2 days ago The Nomadic Peoples of The Nightingale Realms Greetings to Koman and Quartiquay! Come on down to the Erehwon Cafe, shake hands, meet the people, have a cup o' joe. And such.

Sniveling Octavius Hound, of the Nomadic Peoples of the Nightingale Realms
2 days ago The People's Republic of Quartiquay Thanks, I'll be there!

Just A Guy, Duly Appointed Representative of the People and Creatures of Quartiquay
1 day ago The Empire of Narrow Values I, D. Shrub, knower of what is best for all who matter, have been on vacation. Has the issue of the WMD that Divalantis, under the leadership of Saddam Nicole, has been building and deploying to threaten us (and her own people!) been addressed? Have Erehwon inspectors been granted access, or has that rogue nation attempted to slither out of this again?
We of the Narrow Values cannot suffer such a regime to exist, and as my daddy says, "read my hips" or some such.
1 day ago The Commonwealth of Diversitas Actually Shrub there are at present four nations in alliance, including myself and Divalantis, to prevent your blatant warmongering from getting out of hand. You might want to visit the Erehwon CIvil Headquarters and Cafe thread, over in the NS forum, that seems to be where most discussions take place these days.

22 hours ago The Constitutional Monarchy of Divalantis Shrub,

Are you off your meds?

The Constitutional Monarchy of Divalantis does not have any weapons of mass destruction, other than our Dobermans. Even if we did, it would be none of your beeswax.

We suggest you find a cool stream to lie down in until your madness passes. If necessary, fully immerse your head in the water and take a deep breath. Her Royal Creaminess would hate to see your barren, inhospitable landscape crushed. Or, maybe not.

O.K.,

The most humble (and tired after reading all that) representative of the people of Hoosbaine would like to go on record against the current UN resolution (kill a tree/plant a tree).

Not that we don't like trees. We love 'em.

Not that we don't want industry to be responsible for it's actions. We do.

But the pending resolution suffers from the same lack of detail as the previous two resolutions.

What about wetlands? What about praire? What about ecology? The resolution just says "plant trees" it says nothing about how or where or under what time-frame.

We shall vote against this resolution.

So say the people of fair Hoosbaine.

Although the current resolution is vague as usual, I like the idea behind it. We are not a nation of ecological specialists, we're Jazz enthusiasts. I'd appreciate any additional input from everyone, especially if your nation specializes in eco-systems. Need any music theory tips, give me a call.

Datbury

Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

Director Brunt, I hadn't thought of it like that. Not that it matters, since I'm not a member of the U.N., but the current resolution DOES leave what can only be called a GI-NORMOUS loophole. And big businesses are infamous for finding those loopholes. I suspect this resolution will do little to stop the plunder of the environment, but it may do something for the worldwide bonsai population.

Sniveling O. Hound, consort to the nominal leader of the Nightingale Realms

Esteemed Leaders of Erehwon--

Is anyone else having trouble accessing the Cafe? I can tend to the business of the Dominion and participate in the UN with relative ease, but logging on and posting to the Forum has been @#%^&!!! nearly impossible. It has been a friggin' pain in the @#$!!

Ella

What kind of connection do you have? I have occasional problems with lagging and refresh rates and the like, and I’m on cable. It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that a lot of dial-up customers were unable to load anything before their browser times out. Whatever type of server they use to host this forum doesn’t really seem to be able to handle the load, particularly at peak traffic times. About the only practical advice I’d have for you would be to try and do your posting off-peak, either early in the morning or late in the evening.

JB

With regard to vague resolutions, it is my guess that the vast majority of resolutions are not being written by attorneys. Thus while there may be many loopholes in the resolutions, they are the best we are likely to get. It is my recommendation that we vote in keeping with the spirit of a particular resolution.

I believe the intent of the reforestation resolution is to promote reforestation, and although it may be full of holes, if we are in favor of reforestation we should adopt it. It is better that we adopt this resolution rather than vote it down because it does not employ sufficient legalese to prevent its abuse. If we could suggest amendments that might be another matter. If we insist on precise legal wordings we will find ourselves in favor of nothing. (OOC: to say nothing of exceeding the scope of the simulation.)

What about wetlands? What about prarie? What about ecology? Shall we sacrifice our forests because wetlands were not included? Write a new proposal for wetlands, I say. Write a new proposal that gives specific time frames for reforestation. In the meantime, do what we can to save our forests. Voting no sends the wrong message.

Vote Yes on the Reforestation issue.

Just A Guy,
Duly Appointed Representative of the People and Creatures of Quartiquay

JAG

See I told you that we could be allies. :D

JB

JB--

I just must be trying at peak times-- everything is working fine now.

SIGH!! :roll:

UMMM, so what does it mean when your economy is listed as "Basket Case?" How far down the economic scale is that? It can't be good. I thought was it was improving, but apparently not. Anyone know what happens if your economy implodes?

Ella

Okay, now you have me confused.
Basket case is just one notch above imploded. The problem being that all of the countries I have seen with imploded economies have tax rates at or near 100%, yours is 44% at present. Which isn’t good, by any means, but it’s certainly well shy of100%. Also my economy has been as far down the scale as weak before, only two notches up from where you are now, and my tax rate at that time was 38% only slightly lower than yours is now. :?

Concerning your question, as near as I can tell there are no serious effects to having an imploded economy, unless you wish to role-play some. There are countries out there who have had imploded economies since I started playing this game, they are still around and still going strong as far as I tell.

JB

:?

I'm confused as well-- I have no idea why we're Basket case. I've either dismissed or declined issues that would increase government spending (though I think I'm going to have to do something about this reviving a dead species thing); against my environmental sensibilities, I've allowed mining in a small portion of protected wilderness, which SHOULD have spurred the economy; OK, so I won't let them cook the national animal, but that shouldn't have caused the economy to bottom out.

I think the highest economic rating I've ever had is "Developing." My tax rate has always fluctuated between 40-44%. Never higher, never lower, so I'm not certain that the tax rate has anything to do with the rating, though it really should. :shock:

The people of the Dominion are extraordinarily concerned, but if we can still keep playing, that is somewhat of a relief...

"I believe the intent of the reforestation resolution is to promote reforestation."

Then perhaps it should say "reforestation" rather than replanting trees.

The people of fair Hoosbaine are not a bunch a lawyers but we still manage to communicate ideas to each other in a clear and concise manner. We expect no less of the esteemed membership of the United Nations.

The people of Hoosbaine have read the proposed resolution and what we see is legislation giving big business a "green light" to destroy any ecosystem they wish as long as they plant a suitable number of trees around their parking lots.

Further, the people of Hoosbaine do not feel that the addition of UN resolutions that actually had some "teeth" rather that the "feel good" blather we've been getting would fall outside the bounds of the simulation.

I should note that the people of Hoosbaine have just returned from a particularly unlucky Snark hunt and are feeling somewhat grumpy. That being said, we have spent much time and fine ale in debate on the proposed resolution and are -ahem- resolved in our vote against.

We hope that shall be no hard feelings toward us amongst any who choose to vote in favor of the pending resolution. Friendly relations among the many nations of Erehwon is (we feel) of great import.

Director Brunt - elected leader (and toastmaster general) of Hoosbaine

The big issue on my mind right now isn't deforestation. Never been much of an issue in the Nightingale Realms. I'm all tied up on this public nudity issue. On the one hand, I'd love to give the people the right to just wander around in whatever state of dress or undress they choose. It's their country, after all, I'm just Grand Pooba. On the other hand...well, it makes me uncomfortable. Does the idea make you other leaders uncomfortable? While my people are nomadic and freewheeling and do-as-you-please sort of types, I think removing the taboo on public nudity would be a big social adjustment. And where does it go from there? Public masturbation? Public intercourse?

Any thoughts?

Sniveling Octavius Hound

I used the word "issue" in each of the first three sentences of the last post. Pleh. My stylistic muscles need more exercise.

a thousand apologies for my awkward prose,

Sniveling O. Hound

The trick is not to force people to dress with pointless nudity laws but to make them WANT to dress. The people of Hoosbaine are known far and wide for the pure joy they take in 'pointing and laughing'.

At a word from you O Hound, I can send a passle of folks into your country "on holiday" to shame your population right back into their pants.

Er, I have banned public nudity in my country, and will not support any resolution for it. But the citizens are welcome to own private nudity clubs.

Datbury

Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

Heh. I'm not asking for a U.N. resolution here, Datbury, I'm just trying to get some outside opinions before I decide on the issue facing the Council of the Realms today. It could go either way right now. What were your reasons for banning public nudity in your country? You fascist. Heh.

Strange how hung up I am on this issue. I dithered over the free speech issue in much the same way, but in the end dismissed it as frivolous. And yesterday's decision to heavily regulate genetic research was a snap. But the Council and I are so divided on whether or not people should have to wear clothes in public that I can't even dismiss the issue out of hand.

Any input is welcome.

And thanks, Hoosbaine. If such a tactic becomes necessary, I'll be sure to drop you a line.

Sniveling Octavius Hound

S.O. Hound

Well I banned it because my citizens hold moral standards in high regard, whether they like it or not! :) I chose the middle one where nudity would be frowned upon so that individuals can own a club if they so desired. I refuse to ride down the street seeing naked people while eating lunch.

Datbury

Exalted Elected not stolen election Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

I've received telegrams from different nations, and in this forum is only two votes. The re has only been one nation to oppose the UN resolution, so I will vote for it.

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

The people of Hoosbaine are busy drafting a new resolution which would require a fair trial for those caught having sexual relations with underage trees. People found guilty will be "chopped down" but then replaced by some other people who may have little or nothing in common with them.

Bwahahahahahahaha! Ah. Good times at the Erehwon Cafe.

Hound

Dang it, just because I won't allow my citizens to run around naked in public I've been labeled a Inoffensive Centrist Democracy. Dang ol' U.N. Labeling Things Council is completely composed of pothead nudist genetic researchers.

I trust this will all go away when I allow those Nazi clowns to have a pep rally. Hurrah free speech. And such.

hey, waiter, do you have root beer, or just coffee?

Sniveling Octavius Hound

Greetings, Neighbors and Friends!

I am Enash, President of the Council of Dezregot.

Please let me introduce Maulbe, our Head of Security and Intelligence…let’s see…yes, she’s the lavendar-haired lady over there in the corner…no, the one there with the cat. And the gentleman standing next to the bar…(no, Millan, I don’t think they serve alcohol here) is…(Millan, please come out from behind the bar) Millan, our Chief of Sutaos PefTOD (Statistics, Useful Trivia and Other Stuff Pertinent to the Everyday Functioning of the Theocracy of Dezregot)…(Millan, please! Leave the man alone…)

While Dezregot is a small, struggling nation…(Millan, how many today? Ah,) of 35 million (Millan, are you sure? That seems awfully high…) people (Millan, you are sure you’re not counting the bees? Ok, then) 35 million people, we have great heart (No, Millan, I am not questioning your facts…no, the number just seemed a bit higher than I thought…) and hope to be good neighbors to the people of the fine region of Erehwon.

(no Maulbe, I don’t think I am giving away too much information; these are our neighbors, they have a right to get to know us… Now, now, don’t get upset…truly, I think they already know were we live, and the thing with the honey bees, well, that’s common knowledge, now, isn’t it?)

Just so you know, we’ve recently had to make some changes within our government. We were forced to move our former Head of Military Strategy into the position of Head of Security and Intelligence—he was a bit too eager to use his slingshot and we were forced to remove the rubber band. Unfortunately, Intelligence really wasn’t a good fit for him…well, he spent most of his time trying to divine water or some such craziness. Maulbe was called upon to take over his position (Maulbe, why are you crying? No, I like lavender, I think it looks good on you… I was not making fun of your hair.) We called her out of retirement…(Maulbe, would you prefer to go sit in the car? You are getting the good Duke all wet. Fine, stay then, just…well, do cheer-up or something.) Anyway, as Benjamin Franklin once said, “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security…”

(no, Maulbe, I am pretty sure he said that before he died…)

…anyway, what was I talking about? Hmmm, well, while we do place a great deal of importance on both Security and Intelligence, it may take awhile before we are fully up-to-speed on these issues (Maulbe, please!) and we greatly appreciate the recent assistance rendered us by the Honored Sniveling Octavius Hound of the Nightingale Realms in sending his car to lead us to the Erehwon Café. It seems we were unable to find it ourselves…

(Millan, really, the door clearly says “employees only”…)

One other thing. In our government, compensation for government work is illegal. Each government employee must support himself, yes, or herself (thank you, Maulbe) in a fulltime job unrelated to their governmental function. As such, the time we have to devote to our official capacities is fairly limited. I, for example, spend most of my time in scientific research—perhaps you’ve heard of our recent successes in “resurrecting” the formerly extinct "feather-bellied" honey bee? While we hope to pop into the café from time to time, it will be our Intelligence gathering arm (most likely Maulbe’s cat) you will see lurking about.

…And Datbury, our people thank you for your generous gift of concert tickets, we are sure to enjoy the show.

(Millan and Maulbe, could you please join me outside? We need to talk.)

That was by far the coolest introduction to a new nation that I've ever seen. I salute you!

You're quite welcome about the car. Anytime you need assistance, you need only ask.

Sniveling Octavius Hound

OOC

I would have to agree, well-done Dezregot, and welcome to the neighborhood.

IC

Most Exalted Datbury,

The people of Diversitas wish to register our opposition to the pending UN resolution.
The metric system of measurement is in fact more efficient and perhaps should be universally adopted. That having been said, however, this is a case where the benefits to the international community simply do not outweigh the rights of individual states to conduct their own affairs. Conversion from one system of measurement to another simply isn’t that significant of an impediment to any field of endeavor.

E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas

Party on Dudes!

We like this cafe. Most excellent.

Just popped by to say hello. Garth and I live in the Land Before Humans region. If you're lookin for a place to get away from the hard work and politics of NationStates, feel free to come along for some fun, eccentric humour and partyin.

We have rock festivals quite often. For a change we're having a SciFi convention where you can come dressed as your favourite SciFi character.

Garth - Pretty cool, especially the babelicious seven of nine.

Wayne - Party on!

Free Republic of Wayne Campbell Esquire

As representative of the people of Hoosbaine I must agree with the good Prime Minister of Diversitas. The cost to the taxpayers of our nation to convert EVERY usage of Nonces into Kilometers and Tads into Centimeters is beyond our ability to even estimate at this time. The people of Hoosbaine have better things to do than revamping our entire system of weights and measures for the sake of a few people who can't be bothered to keep a pocket calculator handy.

The people of Hoosbaine will be happy to publish a handy list of common conversions for any nations wishing to trade with us or share in our scientific research - but we're not gonna run around the countryside changing all the road signs! Sheeeeesh!

Director Brunt - Elected leader of Hoosbaine - who has no intention of enforcing that silly tree thing either! :)

OOC

I do believe that this is the first time that Hoosbaine and Diverstas have ever agreed on a UN resolution. :shock:
Hmmm, perhaps one of us should modify our position just so we don’t set a dangerous precedent here.

JB

I must add my voice to those urging a vote against this ludicrous UN resolution to FORCE :evil: countries to adopt the metric system. While the citizens of AciraZade learn metric in all science classes, each city-state has also invented its own system of measurement. If this resolution passes, my country will be leaving the United Nations. We will not participate in such a paternalistic organization. I don't believe any country needs some ubermoderator telling them which measuring stick to use.
:tantrum:

Acira, founder, inspirational speaker, and vicarious leader of the Commonwealth of AciraZade

While the nation of Dezregot is not a member of the United Nations, I hoped you might permit a thought or two from the collective experience of our humble people on the subject of the current resolution before the membership.

As you may be aware, our people have an, ahem, affection, shall we say, for the pesky little monsters known as Apis mellifera or ‘honeybees’. What you may not know, is that this affection is primarily espoused by Dezregotians from the Northern and Western parts of our fine country. In the Eastern parts of the country, nearly to the central river of Diurdin, the people greatly favor the silkmoth, Bombyx mori. In fact, the craftsmen of the East are really quite fanciful in their use of silk, and silk industry by-products, not only in clothing and textiles, but as food supplements, plant-growth enhancers, as educational tools, as fishing bait, as pet food, as tasty salted snacks, and on and on and on.... You certainly can’t say the same for the blasted honeybee—sure, they are good honey producers, but can you play with them? Can you make clothing fit for kings out of their gladular excretions? Can you collect their sweet-smelling frass to help your collard greens to grow to the size of an elephants’ ear. No, you cannot.

Early on, when both industries were fairly small, everyone got along without too much trouble; everyone kept to their own and minded their own business. As the silk industry began to grow and the silk craftsmen in the East began to more fully develop their fine arts, the beehavers from the West started to feel a bit, ashamed? envious? stung? I don’t know.

It all started innocently enough, the jives, the jokes…In fact, I still remember the one about the Silkmoth keeper from Nantucket—that one gets me hooting everytime! Unfortunately, over time, things started to spiral out of control. The Western druids bemoaned the stress the silkworms forced on innocent mulberry trees; the environmentalists decried the rapid spread of mulberry trees and the loss of wild strawberry habitat; nutritionists warned that large collard greens plug the colon better than banana jello and promote EOBD, Early-onset Bloating Disease.

And then the politicians got involved. Sure, maybe there were abuses in the silkmoth industry; maybe there was some grain of truth in their accusations, but all-in-all the abuses and concerns were very minor problems that could easily be taken care of with good husbandry, care and a balanced diet. But no, the politicians hit on a plan to sting the silkmoth industry once and for all. They couched it in the guise of a national good, something to benefit all Dezregotians: the lumberjack, the sawmill, the carpenter, the painter, the pizza delivery guy… They pushed a law through Council requiring all livestock to be maintained in white wooden boxes with internal dimensions of 6-5/8 inches deep by 14-11/16 inches wide and 18-5/16 inches long. The politicians declared that everyone would have to make sacrifices for the common good. But that in the end, the standardization would increase production, prevent waste, enhance communication and place everyone on an equal standing. Well, the beehavers put up a good show—many preferred deep hive bodies and they argued that they, too, would have to make changes, but that, in the end, it would be all for the best. So sure, the beehavers made their changes and moved their bees into a uniform medium hive body, and life went on… But the effects it had on the silkmoth industry (and we won’t even discuss the Cattle Industry—that was just plain sad; oh those poor cows!) were almost devastating. Those poor little caterpillars just weren’t made to live in boxes. While the bees flourished, the silkworms languished, and over the next few years, the Silkmoth industry almost died off. (Interestingly, the Poultry industry did surprisingly well with the change.) In recent years the Silkworm Artisans have made a substantial comeback, but still, while bees are the subject of story and song, you rarely hear of the poor, noble, struggling silkmoth.

To make a long story short, we in Dezregot believe in the power of education over force. We have learned our lesson and believe it is best to teach correct principles and let the people govern themselves. Yes, standardized livestock boxes for bees, silkworms, chickens and cattle (well, maybe not cattle…) sounds like a great idea, but the people down in the nitty gritty really need to be given the choice. They need to be allowed to make their own mistakes, learn their own lessons and find the system that works best for them. Likewise, forcing the metric system on everyone would increase communication, eliminate error and misunderstanding, prevent crash landings on Mars, and help all to feel included in the scientific revolution that has recently given us such advances as the steam engine and cotton gin, but maybe, just maybe, this system isn’t right for everyone. They need to be given the choice; force is rarely conducive to inclusion.

With this in mind, and I am the first to admit I do not fully understand the workings and powers of the U.N. and her esteemed delegates, I would propose that our Honored Delegate or other appropriate member nations suggest a change in the current issue to promote education. Teach the world the metric system and let the people decide.

That is all.

Enash,
President, Council of Dezregot

YESSSSS :D

We rank dead last in the region on the corporate welfare survey, and still have a decent economy. 8)

~doin a lil happy dance~

JB

The people of the Dominion agree with our esteemed colleagues that, while it would be BENEFICIAL for all to be on the same system, no one has the right to impose their standards on others.

We urge Duke Ellington to vote against the resolution.

Well there seems to be enough votes against this new resolution to vote against it. Done

Datbury

Currently, there are only four nominations for the five member council(Diversitas, AciraZade, Quartquay, and Aethio-Roma). Aethio-Roma has not responded as to whether or not he accepts or declines the nominations. We still need at least one more nomination, and confirmation. I'd like to nominate two nations, Closing Time, and Dezregot.

Datbury
Exalted Elected Leader of the Republic of Duke Ellington

A referendum was held, and the people of Closing Time have advised that I should humbly accept this nomination.
May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwon
Councilman Traubert

Greatings fellow neighbors,

As the speaker for the Free Land of GabrielRye, still small and similar to Luxemburg right no, I offer my country's support if you need it. Though I am not a member of the U.N. I'd sign up to help the 'hood' if you need it.


BTW, This site is pretty neet. Can I judge you all baised on your country's UN rating and Government?

[quote="Duke Ellington"] "I'd like to nominate two nations, Closing Time, and Dezregot."

Hello? Hello? Hi, it's me, Maulbe. Um, President Enash doesn't know I am here. I just thought I would come by to let you know that he is really tickled by your nomination, Datbury. And, well, thank you, and all. And, well, I think there is no doubt he would accept your nomination, should it be seconded and all.

Um, I just wondered, ARE YOU CRAZY?

I mean, um, Dezregot is a great country. I love it and all, I really do. I think that Dezregotians are some of the greatest people on the planet and that they would give their right kidney to help the region in any way they can. But, well, the thing is, if you elect Dezregot to the Erehwon Council, chances are that President Enash will choose himself to be the Dezregotian representative. And, um, well, you may not have noticed...um, he's kind of long-winded... I mean, I don't mean any disrespect, I like him and all, but well, you know...

Dezregot would certainly accept the nomination, just, please, really think long and hard about casting your vote for us. REALLY hard. Um, thank you.

Maulbe
Head of Security and Intelligence
Council of Dezregot

Personally, I think the leader of Dezregot has multiple personality disorder. But in any case, I second the nomination. One person, three people, or three personalities in one head, Dezregot's got good people.

Hound

I third the nomination, that way each personality can have his, her, or it's very own nod from the group. :D

JB

We of the Commonwealth of Bergheim would like to extend our invitation for you to pay a visit to our country. Currently there are no national holidays in the offing, but our anual Oktoberfest street revelries will begin on October 1st and last throughout the month. In April and May we celebrate our new wine harvest, and remember, there are never any substance laws in Bergheim!

Greetings to all!
Meisterberger Berg (StephanWolf)

We're just a bunch of bleeding heart liberal social reformists over here in Nettlton, but we manufacture one helluva hooka! :D

Anyone interested in a good time and lots of free love is welcome!

Cordially,

Nettl, founder and president of Nettlton

Tremble



non-croyant

Finally, I get some issues that are easy to deal with. I've been dealing with all this crap about public nudity and genetic research that had me and the rest of the Nightingale council deliberating for days. Now, we get voting and worker strikes. Huzzah! Easy street!

Oh, and hi, Steph and nettl. Good to see you. You smelly hippies. Heh.

Sniveling Octavius Hound

Almost all my issues seem to be civil rights based. I've only had ONE that dealt directly with the economy (which is in the crapper, but better than the "Basket Case" status it was before) and none that I recall that are political freedoms.

::SIGH!!::

Ending Poverty
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice Strength: Significant Proposed by: Duke Ellington
Description: Social Welfare programs in their present form perpetuate poverty, and a culture that thrives on hand outs. The following proposal would be an aggressive measure to stamp out poverty, and eliminate the crippling mindset of mdeiocrity and complacency.

Article I
All UN nations will be required to provide funding for a specific community action plan that eliminates the environment in which poverty thrives.

Article II
The plan consists of employing social workers to visit the homes of adult citizens whose incomes fall below the poverty level, and to provide service coordination for those individuals who may need to be linked to GED programs, job training, parenting classes, budgeting, coping skills, and any area of mental, physical, or social delinquency that can be improved where the adult citizens can become productive members of society.

Article III
Any adult citizen who has been deemed eligible for the action will have three years to complete a training program, and get a job unless the citizen has a diagnosis from three different doctors that suggests the citizen is incapable of being a productive member of society, or if the citizen has felonies on his/her records, then the window for productivity shall be five years.

Article IV

Any adult citizen who meets the above named criteria, and loses their job for a reason not of their own will be given an additional two years to find gainful employment.

Article V

Any adult citizen who meets the above named criteria, and loses their job for a reason of their own will be granted one year to find gainful employment.

Article VI

Any adult citizen who meets the above named criteria, and loses their job for a reason of their own more than once will be subjected to confinement for a minimum of 90 day, not to exceed one year, and 300 hours of community service to be completed in one year. If a citizen is subject to face the above named punishment more than twice, that citizen is elegible for ejection from said nation, and may not return to any UN nations for a duration of 20 years. Fingerprints and DNA will be collected before dismissal.

Article VII

All UN nations shall have two years to allocate funding for the project, and may request additional time, or financial assistance by submitting a petition to the UN with 2% of the signatures of UN member nations.

Article IIX

Any UN nation can propose an addendum to this proposal by following UN protocol. :)


Now what is wrong with this proposal except for maybe two typos, and a few run-on sentences :?:

What's the best way to recover from a failing economy?

Meisterberger Berg

Bergheim,

You'll have to support issues that make money for your country. I know that some of the issues are ludicrous, but your economy will improve.


Datbury
Exalted Elected Ruler of Duke Ellington

I guess, if I may speak on behalf of "some people", some people have different ideas of what constitutes a productive member of society. Maybe your proposal is just too hardassed for most of the left-wing utopias and centrist democracies that belong to the U.N.

Berg, I wouldn't worry about it. Chances are you'll just be improving your economy at the expense of something else. You'll end up bulldozing your rainforests, outlawing unions, and god knows what else.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Sniveling Octavius Hound

Now somebody pour me a drink of some kind. My "easy" issue resulted in daily union strikes. And I thought I was helping the bastards. My economy is boned, and the major names in the Furniture Restoration business are giving me dirty looks when I pass by them in the street.
Then again, private enterprise is supposed to be illegal. But what kind of fascist would enfore a law like that?

Certainly not the Hound.

Sniveling Octavius Hound, and make it a double

Datbury,

A couple of concerns with the poverty proposal:

1) This proposal seems to make it illegal to not work, or to work at low paying jobs. It proposes to throw people into <<the system>> when their "incomes fall below the poverty level."

Seemingly this would criminalize retirement. It would criminalize "pizza delivery" and similar low-paying jobs, or would force companies to pay exorbitant salaries for unskilled labor. It may also be applied to housewives or students who don't have an income of their own.

I realize you have a "gatekeeper" clause ("Any adult citizen who has been deemed eligible for the action"), regulated by social workers, but this is highly subject to abuse, and at best is extremely subjective.

At some point someone would have to make a decision on the behalf of another: is that college student taking too much time on his studies? What is too much time? Five years? Eight years? He must be incapable of making it on his own: throw him into the system! This really could be applied to anyone who falls out of favor with the government.

2) "If a citizen is subject to face the above named punishment more than twice, that citizen is elegible for ejection from said nation, and may not return to any UN nations for a duration of 20 years."

You are going to force your deadbeats on us, the non-UN nations??? I think you need to take care of your own, we can't be the dumping grounds for your unrehabilitated criminals.

3) It looks like a great experiment, provided the proper controls and boundaries are put in place. Try it at the local level. I really don't feel that it is ready to be forced upon all member nations.

Enash

Hey!

7 hours ago: The Empire of Navillus replaced The Republic of Duke Ellington as UN Delegate. :shock:

What's up with that?!

Enash,
the shocked and confused: President, Council of Dezregot

Some diplomats accidentally pushed through endorsements willy-nilly in order to curry universal favor for their respective nations. This resulted in an unintentional, though correctable, shift in the balance of power.

Sneaky Navillus goes around giving out endorsements. To be polite, people endorse 'em right back and next thing you know...

--New UN Delegate!--

The people of Hoosbaine will keep careful watch on this sudden (but not unexpected) shift in power.

:shock: Um, what happened?! I only left for a few hours...

Not that I mean to offend our new UN Delegate (since I did endorse him. But I endorsed the former as well... Does that mean I cancelled myself out?) :?

Waiter, I need a double red-eye, please...

I, the Great Cornholio, would like to invite you to visit the Commowealth of Corn Farmers! As you may have noticed, we rank 5th in our Region and we boast excellent civil rights. True, not everything is perfect, but my country is hardworking. Corn is all-important to us. It is our work, our food, our currency, and our T.P.

Please feel free to visit at any time!
Governor Steph Cornholio

OOC

I’m not sure what’s up with the UN Delegate situation. Navillus does make a habit of engaging in the reciprocal endorsement trade, but so does Duke Ellington. I myself have reciprocal endorsements with both nations. Furthermore as of about five minutes ago Duke Ellington has 8 endorsements, while Navillus has seven, which should make Dat not Jimiraj our delegate. It seems rather peculiar to say the least.
If it becomes some kind of protracted struggle then my first loyalty would have to be to Duke Ellington, hopefully it won’t come to that, this almost seems to be some sort of glitch in the game, which hopefully will soon be rectified.

jb

OOC

Well it looks as if the “UN Crisis” has passed. As of a few minutes ago when I checked again, Datbury is back as UN Rep. Three cheers for his Exaltedness, Hip Hip….
:D

JB

Cornholio,

I will visit your nation, which reminds me so much of NICARAGUA! heh heh but only if I can bring my own T.P. Everyone has different T.P. needs, as I'm sure you're well aware.

Sniveling Octavius Hound

The Nomadic Peoples of the Nightingale Realms respectfully announce that they intend to move into the now unoccupied lands of Xambrighe and Southeast Florida. We of course will recognize any other nation's claim to the deserted nations, but my people can be counted upon to not give a damn about those claims.

In a day or so, you should be able to adjust your maps to show the Realms's extended borders.

Thank you.

Sniveling Octavius Hound, speaker for the Nightingale Realms

Duke Ellington,

In regards to your anti-poverty proposition, and speaking for the citizens of AciraZade, your efforts would be more appreciated if you could please just find a way to abolish wealth and power. Does your utopian society involve everyone working? Mine is the direct opposite. With all this technology, we shouldn't ever have to work in order to have food and shelter. Our time is better spent contemplating the universe and making new breakthroughs to make our lives even better and easier.

Perhaps I should just resign from the UN and move to some deserted island nation. Too many rules and restrictions come from the UN monster!

Acira

You know what? The "UN Crisis" is back! Dat's no longer regional rep, again...

:roll:

Let's kick out both Navillus and Duke Elington! What has it brought us but instability and a new UN Rep every day? A vote for me is a vote for the only UN member in the area who is also an "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy."

Also, everyone who votes for me gets a collectors addition Hologram Coin. Come on, you know you want yours!

Well, technically, only the U.N. Delegate can eject nations from a region. And Duke Ellington is one of my favorite vacation spots. And Navillus engineers are working with my own to construct the first state of the art nuclear reactor in the Nightingale Realms, using Navillus-mined uranium. So, no, ejection of these two powerhouses is not an option.

Say, though, that gives me an idea about that council Datbury was talking about. Why have five? We only really need three: a hard-nosed police state, a compassionate utopia, and an INOFFENSIVE CENTRIST DEMOCRACY to keep things in line. The voice of neutrality. What do you think?

Sniveling Octavius Hound

OOC

I think I'd like to know how a nation can have "Excessive" civil rights...

A bit like Brahma, Siva, and Vishnu - creator, destroyer, and preserver, eh?

Consul Croy Nonante of Hypatiannia observes, as in all matters of diplomacy, the factors
involved in this current dispute are the issues of personal interest (on the national level), historical and traditional alliances, and other such petty yet entrenched political motives.
The question of whom to endorse for delegate has never been, and is unlikely to ever be, decided in a logical and beneficial-for-all manner.

Croy XC

Closing Time, would you consider sex acts in public while shouting vulgarities and engaging in involuntary face painting excessive?

Hound

IC
Leaders of Erehwon,

I have just revoked Diversitas endorsements of all nations except Duke Ellington. If at some point in the future another nation should become the accepted representative then our endorsement will be transferred to that nation. It would be greatly appreciated if all nations would remove their endorsements from Diversitas in return. I have no interest, whatsoever, in becoming a UN Delegate, in the highly unlikely event that I should ever find myself in that role, I will resign from the UN.

Sincerely,
E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas

Despite the many misgivings our people have toward the United Nations :twisted: , we have recently held a vote and decided to apply for membership solely for the purpose of showing our support for Datbury. The vote was nearly unanimous.

Datbury, we appreciate your leadership and hope to have you as our delegate for years to come.

Enash and the people of Dezregot

<<<Newsflash>>>

Tell N. O'lies reporting live from The Republic of Duke Ellington.

*In a few minutes, Minister Deebo, the Director of Duke Ellington's national security will be addressing the media from the Royal Mansion. Apparently there was a coup which may have resulted in disastrous events. Wait a second, here comes Deebo.*


#Minister Deebo#

As many of you know, there was a military coup attempt last night. The Royal Mansion of Exalted Datbury was raided last night, and I am saddened to report that the man known affectionately as Datbury is no more. For those of you who are b-net members, you can read more details on the "Dear God" thread in the Christianity Debate section, or simply click on Datbury, and go to discussions. Due to the legacy of Datbury, we will respect his wishes, and dispurse the Republic of Duke Ellington. Datbury had expressed wishes to divide the land evenly among Erehwon leaders. Let me say this personally, er, wait a second.

Hey, that's my bike punk!

Er, uh, sorry about that. Anyway, although Datbury was a dictator, he was on in the sense of King Arthur. He was as benevolent as they come. I hope and pray that Datbury's vision of peace and prosperity for the region of Erehwon is carried out by its existing members. And on a final note, Datbury does not wish to endorse any particular nation for delegation as he felt that many nations could easily perform the job. Thank you all for coming. I will not address any more questions unless you have something on my forty. In 28 days, the Republic of Duke Ellington will cease to exist.

*And there you have it folks. Minister Deebo did not give any particular details as to what exactly happened to Datbury, but all are grieving for the loss. Perhaps someday in the great somewhere, we'll see Datbury again. I'm Tell N. O'lies reporting live at the Royal Mansion of Exalted Datbury. Back to you Free T. Olay*

We are (all of us from Hoosbaine) shocked and saddened to learn of these tragic events...,

Our flags fly at half staff...,

...the people (our leaders among them) gather in the sacred places...,

...and tonight every radio station in Hoosbaine will broadcast Jazz in memory of fallen Datbury.


Director Brunt may choose to make an official statement later in the day, but for now I'll just say that our deepest sympathies go out to the people of Duke Ellington.

Asst. Director Varooni – Minister of Communications of the Republic of Hoosbaine

The Council has made an official statement to the people, and there is mourning in the Nightingale Realms. Unencouraged, able-bodied people have crossed the border in search of revenge. Government sanctioned action will be taken to contain the rioting and general disorder, but other than that, it is a day of rest and reflection on what Datbury meant to us.

Hound

Dezregot is in a state of stunned shock.

Datbury was the first to greet us when we emerged from the mists and became a nation. Datbury was the first to offer us concert tickets. Datbury started the Erewhon Civil Headquarters and Cafe. Datbury was our example...He tried to eliminate poverty; he sought consensus and tried to do the right thing.

Dezregot does not have access to b-net (<<For those of you who are b-net members, you can read more details on the "Dear God" thread in the Christianity Debate section, or simply click on Datbury, and go to discussions>>) Could someone please fill us in???

All of Dezregot wonders if they have the strength to carry on...

Dear God (http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/message_list.asp?boardID=4283&discussionID=277177)

All due respect to the dead, but you U.N. members better decide who's going to be the next U.N. delegate and withdraw all endorsements from Duke Ellington, or Erehwon's going to be represented by a...hmmm....a defunct nation.

Sniveling Octavius Hound

The people of the Dominion are stunned by the tragic loss of Exalted Ruler Datbury.

A week of mourning has begun today and will include the people abstaining from espresso/espresso-laden beverages. We would drink decaf, but that would cause rioting, headaches, and overarching grouchiness, thereby disrupting the somber mood of the nation.

We offer our condolences and support to the great nation of Duke Ellington. If anything can be done to save the nation, EllaSings is willing and able to take steps toward that end.


caffeineaddict70
Keeper of Correspondence
The Dominion of EllaSings

IC

Since his late Exaltedness, has seen fit to abdicate his role as our regional representative, we of Diversitas hereby transfer our allegiance to the only other nation that has consistently shown an interest in the position of UN Delegate, Emperor Jimiraj of Navillus. The King is Dead, Long Live the King.

Sincerely
E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas

Datbury, wherever you are, you and your words of wisdom will be missed. While the citizens of Closing Time strongly favor democratic rule, you have been living proof that a dictatorship can work. Perhaps one day you will return from exile, and if that day comes we will have a celebration the likes of which have never been seen in Erehwhon. Until that day comes, know that the goodwill of the people of Closing Time is with you always.
May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwon
-Councilman Waits

Leaders of Erehwon:

Once again, we find ourselves a region without UN representation. I humbly submit myself as a candidate for UN representative.
While many may call me a leader, I prefer to be known as a servant of my people. I have no desire to force my will upon those whom I oversee. Indeed, any power that I have comes from those people, and it is my duty to accurately represent their wishes.
Of course, if you choose me as your representative, I will need to resign my post as Senior Councilman of Closing Time, in order to avoid any conflict interest (not to mention that holding both positions would be a tremendous burden).
May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwon
-Councilman Waits

:(

Well, Dear Sniveling Hound, unless a miracle occures and Datbury returns, or until our people have a chance to get better acquainted with our neighbors, you are it. If you will join the U.N. you will have the support of the people of Dezregot for U.N. delegate.

Enash

IC
Leaders of Erehwon,

Well it seems that we have a new regional tyran… er Delegate.
Let’s see five hours in power and so far they have ejected two states from the region, re-written the factbook entry, and voted in favor of a pending UN resolution without consulting the regional membership. I must say we’re certainly off to a promising start now aren’t we?
A proposition to simply annihilate the state of Hypatiannia has been narrowly defeated, in the House of Delegates, considering that our standing military is larger than their entire population such an effort would undoubtedly succeed, unfortunately, it would also violate our long-established commitment to a purely defensive military posture.
The people of Diversitas have, however, now withdrawn all endorsements and are currently debating several measures mostly concerning either withdrawal from the United Nations and or migration from the region from of Erehwon.

Regretfully,
E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas

IC

Leaders of Erehwon

In case any of you were in doubt as to the nature of your new “Delegate”, you should be aware that the only response to our previous, and fully legitimate, statement of protest was to eject Diversitas as well from the region of Erehwon.
If your collective wish is to endure the tyranny of the small minded, then I would say that you are well on the way to realizing your goal.

E. Veri Mann
Prime Minister of Diversitas

Respected leaders of Erehwon.

I have just returned from our eastern border where aid workers are busy constructing a 'tent city' for those displaced residents of Duke Ellington who have crossed into Hoosbaine seeking shelter and comfort.

While my ministers have done their best to keep me informed of international events in this chaotic time I have only now learned of the ejection of several nations from our region by our new UN Delegate.

I must ask good Hypatiannia for an explanation of these ejections and must regretfully withdraw our endorsement until such time as such an explanation is forthcoming.

We of Hoosbaine find it difficult to believe that the spirit of cooperation and goodwill that has been the hallmark of life in Erehwon could have expired when Datbury fell.

May peace reign in Erehwon!

Director Brunt - Elected Representative of the people of Hoosbaine

IC
So-called “leaders” of Erehwon,

Following the fiasco of this mornings events, the spineless cowards who previously pretended to rule our glorious nation have been driven into hiding. I Field Marshal Kil M Awl have now been declared Commander in Chief by unanimous vote of the General Staff of Diversitas
My first offical act is to declare a state of war to exist between the glorious nation of Diversitas and the contemptible worms inhabiting the land of Hypatiannia.
Our surveillance satellites have already pinpointed all military and governmental installations in that so-called nation, and precision air strikes will be commencing within the hour. These strikes will be followed by an airborne landing of sufficient ground forces (some 10 million mixed troops, if you’re curious) to secure our control over our newest province.
In the unlikely even that anyone should feel inclined to intervene on behalf of the Hypatiannian terrorists you should be aware that all Diversitan strategic forces have been placed on full alert, any outside interference will result in a full scale nuclesr strike (using land, sea, and space based weapons systems) against the nation or nations who choose to intrude themselves into our affairs.

You have been warned,
FM Kil M. Awl
CiC Rogue Nation of Diversitas


OOC
No godmodding involved folks; despite our formerly pacific nature Diversitas has had nuclear capability since very early in our history, and space flight for ages now. We also posses one of the regions largest arms manufacturing sectors, and with a population pushing 200 million and a tradition of compulsory military service for all citizens, a frigging huge standing Army. Which has now seized power in a coup inspired by the unprovoked abuse suffered by the people of our fair land at the hands of the newly anointed tyrant of the Erehwon region.
:twisted:

Esteemed Leaders of Erehwon

I, Minister Deebo have been witnessing the events unfolding in Erehwon. What was once a peaceful region has been reduced to infighting led by a despot delegate. As you know, Exalted Datbury tried to always stay a step ahead. With the savings from the accounts, he has established a region called, "Mustard Cutters" as a safe haven because once you're ejected, you can not return to the region. Although Duke Ellington will not be re-established as a nation, you are more than welcom to move to this new region, democratically elect your delegate without being duped by a dictator, and once again find peace and prosperity. Simply go back to your nation, click on "The World" and type in "Mustard Cutter" into the regions slot. Once there, you can move as soon as possible. I would also like to extend a heartfelt thank you to the nations that have taken our citizens. Exalted Datbury would be proud. :)

Deebo
Minister of Defense for Duke Ellington

The Nightingale Realms is now on read alert, and all able bodied citizens are armed and packin'. Any threat to the traffic of refugees from Duke Ellington by either combatant will result in military action. Our military may be relatively small, and slightly behind technologically, but our enemies never see us coming. Please, do not make the Nightingale Realms your enemy. Our special forces were trained in joint operations with the special forces of Caucapino, and with the battle-hardened, but musically gifted, warriors of the fallen nation of Duke Ellington. Do not test us.

Remember Datbury! Long live the people of Duke Ellington!

Joseph J. Morrison of the Nightingale Council, as the Hound goes feral during times of war

OOC

Well since whoever is running Hypatiannia obviously has no more clue how to role play a conflict than he has how to run a democratic region, I guess we’ll assume that Hypatiannia has now been reduced to slightly glow in the dark parking lot and go on with our business. Diversitas has now established herself in the Mustard Cutters region, anyone interested in doing so is cordially invited to follow suit. Prime Minister Mann has staged a successful counter coup and is now back in control of the government, things may now proceed at a more pace.

JB ~who wanders off muttering something about pretentious amateurs~

OOC

Hey, does that mean that I am invited to the Mustard Cutters region as well?

Croy XC <wandering off muttering something about corny lamer flaky make-believe crap>

In the unlikely event that anyone has any lingering doubts as to the nature of the imbecile you have running your region you might like to look over the telegram that I received from him. This twit makes Shrub look gifted.

The Commonwealth of HypatianniaReceived: 2 hours ago OOC Quite frankly, I think roleplaying is corny. And I disagree - ANYTHING that you said you did to me can be considered god modding. That will be true until someone gets off his ass and builds war into the game. Frankly, I am just happy to slap Datbury and, especially, SSoD in the face. I could quit the game right now and be happy! Weeeeeee! Besides - it was boring with everyone sitting around being nice to each other all the time. /OOC


For anyone who is interested in actually playing the game godmodding in the NS format consists of either ignoring a legitimate role-playing move by an opponent, or making a completely unfounded move of your own. Such as a pissant country claiming to be immune to invasion. As far as role-playing is concerned, uhm, yo moron, if you don’t want to role-play, why in the hell are you involved in a role-playing game?

For all of you who have messaged me trying to persuade me to return, while I appreciate the sentiment, I don’t think I’ll be doing so anytime soon. I’m sorry but as long as whoever in the hell is not-playing Hypatiannia is involved I'd just as soon go elsewhere. I mostly came to Erehwon in the first place at Dat’s invitation, so with him out of the picture and this twit-from-hell involved it seems a bit pointless. This is supposed to be a game not some sort of pissy power trip for an idiot carrying out grudges from an entirely different board. I'll probably loiter in Mustard Cutters for a few days in case any of you lot decide to jump ship, and if not I'll migrate elsewhere and set up on my own. Erehwon is the third region I’ve played in, and while the people are easily the best (with one or two exceptions ;-)) after this kind of idiocy, I’m afraid the mood is rather ruined.

Diversitas,

I can understand your frustration. I'm enjoying the chaos and all because, well... I'm an anarchist libertarian Discordian. That's what we do, ya know.

Personally, I endorsed Hypatannia (I know, that's not it, but it's just too damned long for me to remember how the letters go) because I know the leader and knew he'd make it fun.

But jeez, you, nuclear bombs? Come on now! This is all fun!

:P well, good to know ya, enjoy cuttin the mustard! :o :lol: :twisted:

OOC

I know what god modding is; I've read the boards. I still say the same thing: it might as well ALL be god modding because you are just PULLIING SHIT OUT OF YOUR ASS.

As dumb as NationStates roleplaying is yours wasn't even a good example of it.
Go back to kissing your dumbass Christian friend Datbury's ass, you whining child.

One last point: roleplaying is NOT required to participate in NationStates. I thank you to keep your corny-ass dorkiness away from me.

/OOC

OOC

NationStates Roleplaying FAQ (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2133&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Eat your heart out.


13. Added by New Caithness: I was polite. I contacted the nation I wanted to go to war\trade\otherwise interact with, and they're ignoring me. Does that mean I can just do what I want?

I set up a situation, using all the information available to me. I engineered it so that it was a can't-miss proposition on my nation's part-there was no way they could avoid what I was doing. They disregarded\made something up to prevent my action. Aren't they cheating?

No to both. Any roleplaying done via posts is free-form, and the only real rule is that everyone controls their own creation; only they can decide what really happens to it. They have the right to disregard you, especially if you are calling the effect of your action.


/OOC

I'm confused. I was under the impression that Datbury was leaving us, and thus had no problems with his nation being ejected from the realm since it would inevitably be considered inactive by nationstates and be ejected from the region anyway...

Now datbury has returned...I think you need to decide whether you wish to play or not...

Why should we maintain as UN delegate someone who has essentially resigned?

Why shouldn't an inactive nation be ejected?

I don't have any problems with these decisions, nor the aggressive stance that was taken with the prior aggressor...

And, if we're going to war, rather than duking it out internally, I'd prefer going after Gay who has just stolen our corn farmers away...

And, I'm with Acira Zade. I enjoy the chaos. :twisted:

OOC

“I know what god modding is; I've read the boards. I still say the same thing: it might as well ALL be god modding because you are just PULLIING SHIT OUT OF YOUR ASS.”

It’s called free-form role-playing, and is unfortunately the only form of international conflict or communication available within the Nation States game. Trust me, no one regrets the lack of a structured combat system more than I.

“As dumb as NationStates roleplaying is yours wasn't even a good example of it.
Go back to kissing your dumbass Christian friend Datbury's ass, you whining child.”

Considering that you have displayed no role-playing ability whatsoever I find myself not overly dismayed by your lack of approval for my own abilities in that department.
Other than furnishing you with yet another superlative what exactly does Datbury’s religion have to do with anything?
Based on your behavior thus far in Nation States I’d say you have the approximate intellectual capacity and emotional maturity of a somewhat slow 12 year old, so I’ll keep that in mind when reading your, uhm, … commentary, on my own personality.

“One last point: roleplaying is NOT required to participate in NationStates. I thank you to keep your corny-ass dorkiness away from me.”

To play the game at a minimal level, no, it isn’t. To fully participate and engage in any sort of international communication, then, while not strictly required, it is certainly strongly encouraged. Since I was here well before you arrived if you do not enjoy my company I guess you should probably leave.
Oh and if you are going to continue attempting to insult me, do please enroll in a remedial language course of some sort. I am really a bit too old to be impressed by the vocabulary of the typical middle school playground.

Based on your behavior thus far in Nation States I’d say you have the approximate intellectual capacity and emotional maturity of a somewhat slow 12 year old, so I’ll keep that in mind when reading your, uhm, … commentary, on my own personality.

OOC

I am a member of Mensa and the Triple Nine Society - name and membership information furnished upon request (non_croyant@hotmail.com). I would be willing to wager that my intellect dwarfs yours.

I would be happy to go head-to-head with you on test of vocabulary at any time.

As far as "emotional maturity" goes - well, my friends from Beliefnet will admit that I am wont to go off the deep end from time to time, but it was you, child, who started the name calling in this particular incident, and all because I refused to play your puerile make-believe game.

I don't care how long you have been playing NationStates. You have apparently not been playing long enough to deal with the fact that endorsements, the delegacy, and ejections are coded into the game. Speaking of middle-school behavior, am I supposed to be impressed by the fact that you came to NationStates before I did? As someone who has been logged onto the Internet for over 10 years now, very likely quite a bit longer than you have, maybe I should invite you to depart the online world. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

Fortunately, in the context of NationStates at least, I don't have to ask you to leave on my account. I've already kicked your butt out of the region, and I didn't have to play pretend to do it.

/OOC

OOC

Is anyone else enjoying this sad little slap-fight as much as I am.

We've got vast imaginary armies on one side and and on the other someone who is actually willing to use the words "my intellect dwarfs yours" (every time I read that I hear it in Darth Vaders voice) in a public forum.

Get over yourselves! Geeeesh! Last time I heard an arguement of this level I was a teenager listening to two idiots argue over allowing a Vampire Paladin character to enter the adventuring party - this may actually have been THE moment I gave up AD&D!


I came here to play a friggin game with some people that I am familiar with from the various b-net boards. Thought it might be a nice change of pace. An opportunity to (as SG first proposed it) put our various ideas of governance to the test. Instead it's just becoming one big hair-pulling contest.

"my intellect dwarfs yours" (every time I read that I hear it in Darth Vaders voice)

Ah, then it did have the intended effect! Excellent!
;)

Yeah, well he's a lot less impressive now that we've seen him for the snively little brat he was.

You know I begin to understand why SG and some of the others enjoy your company. Are you always this pathetically amusing?

Oh and for the record if you are so desperate for intellectual validation as to feel the need to join not one but two organizations designed to provide it, well, I really don’t think it would be fair for me to inflict any further damage on your self-esteem.

SG, Datbury just came by to check in, you know? Like he left his week's notice, and came back for a final gift and goodbye.

"Last time I heard an arguement of this level I was a teenager listening to two idiots argue over allowing a Vampire Paladin character to enter the adventuring party - this may actually have been THE moment I gave up AD&D!"

Whoa, you were there too?! Actually, with me it was two Elven Bladesingers having an extremely dull battle of egos while the rest of the group checked their watches and hit on random barmaids.

Some personalities just don't play well together.

Hound

Having long been a fan of Jerry Springer, I'm always happy to see a slugfest.

I came here to test my theories about nations out in the practical realm. Sad as it may be to some of you, this is entirely like reality. What is the Israel/Palestine/middle east situation about if not a gigantic male pissing fest?

Personally, I love chaos. I also am amused, hideously, by how much more challenging politics are in the real world than in the abstract.

As I told an Anarchist friend of mine not long ago, Anarchy doesn't work unless everyone wants to play approximately the same game. Otherwise, you've just got anarchy.

And, insofar as truly getting into roleplaying the idea of governing a nation, bleeeccchhhhh...how silly is that?

I just want to entertain myself, see how my country does, though I wouldn't mind a good war, mind you.

SG

<i>An opportunity to (as SG first proposed it) put our various ideas of governance to the test. Instead it's just becoming one big hair-pulling contest.</i>

Unfortunately, that sounds like an all too apt description of world politics! ;) combined with a fight in the junior high girls' bathroom. :twisted:

Oh PLEASE!

I've seen junior high school girls go at it and it's far more violent than anything going on in the middle east! :roll:

Accept Christ!

We are the BEST region in the Universe! You are weak and pathetic, a bunch of scavenging hyenas fighting over scraps of crap.

We shall destroy you, and loot your corpses.

Buck wild, naked, guns ablazin'! Oh yeah baby. :twisted:

When did Daniel McRoberts of San Antonio (not Eagle Pass) Texas start playing NationStates?

I am backing Croy XC as soon as I am able. :)

Only because he is so pathetically funny, and a Member of Mensa. Although I think he should have to post a scanned image of his membership card to prove it. :)

Only he can bring our Region to new heights of indifference and apathy. He has more intelligence in his little finger than most people have in their whole hand.

You are the man, NC baby. Or Croy XC or whoever you are.

Just don't call me honey, honey.

Gebt mir ein Leitbild!

An example of what? Hmmmm? Of how brilliant you are? Well, there was that time you did that thing....that was pretty smart of you. And the other thing you did that other time.....just bleedin brilliant.

But seriously, you are a smart man who would be a good boy if elected. Right?? I said....right???

BTW, this message board SUCKS! I am eternally logged in, and I can't get out.

And the game is kinda lame, non. :)

Actually it's "give me one vision" from Laibach's cover
of the Queen song.

It was supposed to have sounded vaguely fascistically ominous.

I guess it didn't work ...

IC & OOC

Damn. I leave the game, and all hell breaks loose. Then I get called a dumb ass christian(better than f%^king moron BTW)? WTH has happened in Erehwon? :?

Hoosbaine: you're right, I once watched a fellow junior high female beat another girl's head into a locker until she became unconscious. I feel vaguely remorseful for doing nothing, but I think junior highers are programmed to watch and do nothing when someone's being bullied.

I attempt to make up for my crimes these days on b-net. ;)

Disgraceland: I shall beat you into submission with my perfect boobies if you don't immediately join our region.

Hey, Dats...things are INTERESTING in erewhon. This moves a bit slower than "that other site", but I kinda like it. I refuse to embrace the sillier aspects of role-playing, though, lest i be subject to demonic possession (you know role-playing is a tremendous danger to one's soul according to many churches)

bwwwhahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahaah.

I don't know why you were called a stupid Christian. I tend to think of most Christians as silly, but I've known a few who were pretty smart, relatively speaking. No candidates for mensa, but not complete morons.

;)

Personally, i think nothing would liven up this game like a good war. But then, that's just me, hawk-loving neo-con.

::snort::

Is Cid playing the game? Yippee...that should add some excitement.

What's with the boobie fascination, Wandering? Are you suffering from minimal mammary complex or something?

Keep with the infighting boys. It makes for a highly entertaining coffee break for me!

As for the NS roleplaying, well, I find it pretty lame, personally. And I wouldn't stretch so far as to call it roleplaying... all I've seen are pubescent boys cock-fighting with imaginary nukes and troops. No dice, no rules, no initiative order... definitely not fair play. I could just say I have a huge anti-matter ray gun and obliterate nations. While it would be fun, I don't see it as fun.

Acira
Mouthpiece and vicarious leader of AciraZade

"While it would be fun, I don't see it as fun. "

Somebody hasn't had enough coffee yet. I have no idea what I was trying to say... so just ignore!

Acira

Ummm, someone is sniffing glue again. :lol:

Talk about stalkers, YIKES!!

Was the Erehwon Council ever formed, or has everyone engaged in hedonistic activity since my nation's fiasco?

I missed the fiasco. Was it a fascist fiasco? Were people all bent out of shape and stuff? I bet I know who started it......anyone seen Shoe?

OK, I read back and saw somekind of fiasco like thing. It was a very silly fiasco, no real vision. :)

People who aren't in the UN shouldn't bitch about things though. I mean, really.
:shock:

Well everybody isn't into the RP aspect of NS, but I am! Instead of being such a bleeding heart liberal, I'm going to make my nation the richest, smartest, and the powerful military so that I can really influence! :)

Whaddeva...

I'm not sure which is funnier...female booberie matches or male pissing matches. Either way, they keep me entertained.

LOL

I don't understand the whole boobies business, myself. Or why I am supposedly fascinated with them. :shrug:

:roll:

Well I understand my fascination with boobies! :D

I think it's unusual for a woman to be so fascinated with them, wandering, unless she's a lesbian.

I guess no one visits here anymore. :(

Nah, it moves rather slow, most of us post on the Erewhon board.

Here we will post our nation's military and national statistics using these guidelines. This is voluntary, but if you want to join in war or see how you stack up to other nations...it's really helpful. We will update each month.

1. Enter nation name
2. Enter population
3. This is your break down of the population:

1.5% military (65% active, 35% on reserve)
28% school ( young)
12% pension ( old )
8 % welfare
4% in prison
4% unemployed
40% workforce
3% dying this month

adds up to 100.5% on account of military reserve

4. Figure out your MCI based on your economy:

+Frightening= 40,000 MCI (after a few weeks)
Frightening = 36,000 MCI
All Consuming = 32,000 MCI
Power House = 28,000 MCI
Thriving = 25,000 MCI
Very Strong = 22,000 MCI
Strong = 17,000 MCI
Very Good = 14,500 MCI
Good = 12,000 MCI
Reasonable = 8,000 MCI
Developing = 5,000 MCI
Fair = 3,750 MCI
Struggling = 2,500 MCI
Weak = 1,500 MCI
Fragile = 800 MCI
Basket Case = 400 MCI
Imploded = 100 MCI

5. Multiply it by your income tax rate.

6. Multiply that figure by your population's workforce. (40% of total population)

7. This is your National Budget. (to keep it simple, let's say it's a universal tax..property, income, sales, etc...)

8. Now it's time for expenses. Start with education (28% of population) Multiply that by $1500. Subtract from National Budget.

9. Welfare (8% of pop.) Multiply by 1000 and subtract from budget.

10. Pension (Social security) 12% of pop. Multiply by 1350 and subtract from budget.

11. Prisons 4% of pop. Multiply by $1750 abd subtract from budget

12. Military: 1.5% of pop. (65% active) Multiply by $3250 and subtract from budget. Separate these into army, navy, marines, police, coast guard. And then separate those into commanders, and special forces.
List any weapons and vehicles. To keep it simple: 2 soldiers per vehicle and not more at any time. All weapons and vehicles have a monthly maintenance fee of $50. So multiply that by all weapons, missiles and vehicles and subtract from budget.

13. Finally, extra money carries over to the next month as well as a deficit. Besides spending on military, you can spend extra money on building schools, starting sports programs, building stadiums, etc. Be creative. (if you got any $$ left over)

OOC

:shock: TOO... much... math... students... came... back... today... feeling... overwhelmed... need... more... coffee :!:

/OOC

The Dominion will be pleased to submit the requested data; however, not having done a governmental audit of this magnitude in quite awhile, it may take some time to produce the statistics you request.

caffeineaddict70
slightly harried newly appointed Keeper of Records
and Keeper of Correspondence

AWWW! I missed the female version of a pissing contest?! Too bad-- I can out-boobie all of you-- probably put together! :)

AWWW! I missed the female version of a pissing contest?! Too bad-- I can out-boobie all of you-- probably put together! :)

Really? :D

Yeppers!! :wink:

Hey, what the heck is going on in Erehwon? Since the unfortunate coup in your nation, I've missed EVERYTHING, and it seems to be a little, um, snippy over there...

Yeppers!! :wink:

Hey, what the heck is going on in Erehwon? Since the unfortunate coup in your nation, I've missed EVERYTHING, and it seems to be a little, um, snippy over there...

I don't know what has been happening, but we are trying to get to the bottom of it! :P

Distinguished leaders of Erehwon,
I beg of you, do not attack other regions merely for sport. We are a peace loving people, however we will oppose any unjust attacks on the citizens of any region.
Also, I must advise the leaders Caucapino that based on her agressive posturing, the people of Erehwon have held a referendum, and decided to retract our support for their UN delegate.
May peace and prosperity flourish in Erehwon.
Councilwoman Brennan
Closing Time Minister of Peace

As the first of the nations present to settle Erehwon, I respectfully submit a request for the newest delegate to be selected from the ranks of Closing Times governing council. Each of the councilmen has a prepared speech, and will be willing to answer questions on the Erehwon Civil Headquarters and Cafe. ( http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52262&start=40&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=c85acbadf60d2f14adedfb9a8ff75b77 )

Distinguished Leaders of Erehwon:

I address you today as not as a politician, but as a servant of yourselves. I will not waste much of your time, but to say that if selected as our regions UN delegate, I shall strive to serve the needs of our region and peoples, and accurately represent your positions in the world forum.

May peace and prosperity flourish in the fair land of Erehwon.

-Councilman Thomas Waits

Fellow Citizens!

I submit myself before you as a candidate for our regions UN delegacy. If I am chosen, I will fight tirelessly for peace and justice. With your support, I will speak in opposition to violations of human rights throught the world. I will not rest in the campaign against needless human suffering. While we are a small region, this does not mean that our voices cannot be heard!

Councilwoman Kathleen Brennan

My Friends,
If selected as our regions delegate, I will direct my energies towards bringing our region, and with it the world into the 21st century. The industrial revolution was a great step, but the information revolution will transform that crude giant into a svelte, efficient, and beautiful future. No longer will it be necessary to borrow from our progeny to support us today; with the technologies we are developing today, a sustainable future is within our grasp. The first step we must take is to make access to the knowledge which will make this possible available to everyone. As our regions leader in research and development in information technology systems, Closing Time is an ideal choice to lead the implementation of such a program. It would be my great honor to further that effort in the forums of the United Nations.

Councilman Frank Romeo

We, the people of EllaSings, would be proud to have all of you fine citizens represent Erehwon!