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<Standing in front of a podium, the Minister of Religious Purity replies to questions from reporters.>

Yes, as of 14:00 AST (Athenys Standard Time) we began the rounding up and expulsion of Christian Missionaries found in the Holy Empire. At this time there have been on injuries sustained by either the Missionaries or our Internal Police forces, though a few groups were found barricaded inside their Buildings. At this time we wish to reiterate our law against other religions sending these people to convert our citizens from our faith. While we acknowledge your faith we have no desire to be converted and your intrusions into our spiritual rights is an affront to our faith.

We also find ourselves forced to increase our levels of inspections for all incoming visitors and their possessions to determine if they are trying to smuggle in foreign icons or religious texts exceeding what would be used for personal use.

<Stepping down from behind the podium the Minister and her aides leave the room>


The Holy Empire of Athenys
Thru Her Faith We Are Empowered

The message that you have provided has been clear in its intention, but unclear in its execution. It would appear that your country has been lucky in that you are only infested by one particular type of undermining religious zealotry. Although I cannot comment on their presence of absence, it would seem likely that you should also be concerned about:
Moslems, Hindi, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Rajneeshi, Baptists, Protestants, Catholics, and other non-Christian guerilla governments.

Further, I might recommend the following policy, which is currently going through revisions and fine tuning here in the Confederacy:

Crime: to proselytize to any belief system.
Punishment:
minor: up to 1 month in prison
major: up to 1 month in prison followed by expulsion from the Confederacy.

Despite the clear benevolence of this plan, it is to be expected that zealots will somehow distort this to mean that anyone caught proselytizing, in any degree, is to be put to death. Of course, one could hope that this would lead to more rapid infringement, based on the counter-productive desire towards lemming-like martyrdom. This counterfactual reaction formation will at least accelerate the identification and deportation of the most egregious violators.

The message that you have provided has been clear in its intention, but unclear in its execution. It would appear that your country has been lucky in that you are only infested by one particular type of undermining religious zealotry. Although I cannot comment on their presence of absence, it would seem likely that you should also be concerned about:
Moslems, Hindi, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Rajneeshi, Baptists, Protestants, Catholics, and other non-Christian guerilla governments.

Further, I might recommend the following policy, which is currently going through revisions and fine tuning here in the Confederacy:

Crime: to proselytize to any belief system.
Punishment:
minor: up to 1 month in prison
major: up to 1 month in prison followed by expulsion from the Confederacy.

Despite the clear benevolence of this plan, it is to be expected that zealots will somehow distort this to mean that anyone caught proselytizing, in any degree, is to be put to death. Of course, one could hope that this would lead to more rapid infringement, based on the counter-productive desire towards lemming-like martyrdom. This counterfactual reaction formation will at least accelerate the identification and deportation of the most egregious violators.

Constantinopolis is ready to receive with welcoming arms any refugees fleeing the despicable religious discrimination in Athenys.

We also urge the nation of Athenys to reconsider before continuing with this monstrous act against human rights and freedom of religion.

The nation of Freebodnik IV would like to lodge a formal complaint against the actions of Athenys. We do not condone this violation of the freedom of religion and of speech, despite our being a secular state.

"I do not agree with anything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Neitzsche.

Dutifully,

The GovMindNet v.1.01,
First Speaker of the Peoples' Republic of Freebodnik IV

The Grand Duchy of Cucolo also lodges a complaint towards the nation's actions. To punish those for their faith is wrong. We at the Grand Duchy of Cucolo believe in letting one decide their own religion and permitting their freedom of practice, so long as it does not hinder another's life or the government.

Duke Anthony Cucolo
Grand Duchy of Cucolo

Please note, we have not punished people for their faith, what we have done is simply remove foreigners who have grossly violated the laws of our nation by trying to subvert our citizens away from their Faith. While we welcome people of other Faiths to visit our country, our law forbids any attempts at proselytizing when in our lands. Such actions are paramount to sedition and subversion to over throw our nation. Our people founded this country to protect ourselves from Faiths such as these and while we respect their existence, we have no desire to have their influence felt in our nation.


The Holy Empire of Athenys
Thru Her Faith We Are Empowered

The Empire of the Evil applauds such a mature decision taken by the Holy Empire of Athenys and wishes the Holy Empire's further expulsions of Christians the best. The Emperor feels that Christianity is like a cancer which must be extricated and obliterated off the face of the Earth at all costs. The Empire of the Evil will gladly give military support in the form of a 50,000,000-strong army of Imperial Clone Troopers to defend the Holy Empire of Athenys should any backward, religion-defending nation wish to militarily or politically attack the Holy Empire.

Best,

--
Emperor Imperatus I of The Evil

The Commonwealth of Great Bight will take the high road in this case and remain neutral towards the expelling nation. We in the Great Bight believe that every people has a right to govern themselves the way they want to against foriegn intrusions on their way of life (ask us about our opposition towards a UN ban on slavery!). It appears to us the Holy Empire of Athenys shares a common faith and common mistrust of foriegners with their dangerous ideas and would like to expell them. Good for them. But a nation such as the Grand Duchy of Cucolo may apt for a more secular democracy with cosmopolitan beliefs that try not to effect the framework of government so much. The Commonwealth of Great Bight chooses to stay neutral on this and seeks the friendship of all who seek its friendship, even the Alliance of Protestant Nations.

"I do not agree with anything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Neitzsche.


The Emperor would like to inform the representatives of the nation of Freebodnik IV that this quotation is wrong. Firstly it's spelled "Nietzsche," and, secondly Nietzsche never said that - Nietzsche said "God is dead." Voltaire said the above-mentioned quote.

Best,

--
Emperor Imperatus I of The Evil

The Commonwealth of Great Bight wishes to remind The Evil that Arthur Miller also said "God is dead[!]" in his 1950s classic play against McCarthyism and "witch hunts", The Crucible.

The Empire of the Evil applauds such a mature decision taken by the Holy Empire of Athenys and wishes the Holy Empire's further expulsions of Christians the best. The Emperor feels that Christianity is like a cancer which must be extricated and obliterated off the face of the Earth at all costs.
The Holy Empire of Constantinopolis understand this as a declaration of war. And we understand this:
The Empire of the Evil will gladly give military support in the form of a 50,000,000-strong army of Imperial Clone Troopers to defend the Holy Empire of Athenys should any backward, religion-defending nation wish to militarily or politically attack the Holy Empire.
As a declaration of god-modding.

Nevertheless, your bigotry and hatred will not be tolerated. It is clear that you wish to see us dead, therefore we will return the favour. You have 48 hours to apologize for your declarations, or you may expect retaliatory strikes from all freedom-loving nations.
Your kind of mindless despotic barbarians belong in the Middle Ages, and that is the age we intend to bomb you back to.

Freedom will be defended at all costs.

The Empire of the Evil applauds such a mature decision taken by the Holy Empire of Athenys and wishes the Holy Empire's further expulsions of Christians the best. The Emperor feels that Christianity is like a cancer which must be extricated and obliterated off the face of the Earth at all costs.
The Holy Empire of Constantinopolis understand this as a declaration of war. And we understand this:
The Empire of the Evil will gladly give military support in the form of a 50,000,000-strong army of Imperial Clone Troopers to defend the Holy Empire of Athenys should any backward, religion-defending nation wish to militarily or politically attack the Holy Empire.
As a declaration of god-modding.

Nevertheless, your bigotry and hatred will not be tolerated. It is clear that you wish to see us dead, therefore we will return the favour. You have 48 hours to apologize for your declarations, or you may expect retaliatory strikes from all freedom-loving nations.
Your kind of mindless despotic barbarians belong in the Middle Ages, and that is the age we intend to bomb you back to.

Freedom will be defended at all costs.

The Empire of the Evil applauds such a mature decision taken by the Holy Empire of Athenys and wishes the Holy Empire's further expulsions of Christians the best. The Emperor feels that Christianity is like a cancer which must be extricated and obliterated off the face of the Earth at all costs.
The Holy Empire of Constantinopolis understand this as a declaration of war. And we understand this:
The Empire of the Evil will gladly give military support in the form of a 50,000,000-strong army of Imperial Clone Troopers to defend the Holy Empire of Athenys should any backward, religion-defending nation wish to militarily or politically attack the Holy Empire.
As a declaration of god-modding.

Nevertheless, your bigotry and hatred will not be tolerated. It is clear that you wish to see us dead, therefore we will return the favour. You have 48 hours to apologize for your declarations, or you may expect retaliatory strikes from all freedom-loving nations.
Your kind of mindless despotic barbarians belong in the Middle Ages, and that is the age we intend to bomb you back to.

Freedom will be defended at all costs.

The Empire of the Evil applauds such a mature decision taken by the Holy Empire of Athenys and wishes the Holy Empire's further expulsions of Christians the best. The Emperor feels that Christianity is like a cancer which must be extricated and obliterated off the face of the Earth at all costs.
The Holy Empire of Constantinopolis understand this as a declaration of war. And we understand this:
The Empire of the Evil will gladly give military support in the form of a 50,000,000-strong army of Imperial Clone Troopers to defend the Holy Empire of Athenys should any backward, religion-defending nation wish to militarily or politically attack the Holy Empire.
As a declaration of god-modding.

Nevertheless, your bigotry and hatred will not be tolerated. It is clear that you wish to see us dead, therefore we will return the favour. You have 48 hours to apologize for your declarations, or you may expect retaliatory strikes from all freedom-loving nations.
Your kind of mindless despotic barbarians belong in the Middle Ages, and that is the age we intend to bomb you back to.

Freedom will be defended at all costs.

The Empire of the Evil applauds such a mature decision taken by the Holy Empire of Athenys and wishes the Holy Empire's further expulsions of Christians the best. The Emperor feels that Christianity is like a cancer which must be extricated and obliterated off the face of the Earth at all costs.
The Holy Empire of Constantinopolis understand this as a declaration of war. And we understand this:
The Empire of the Evil will gladly give military support in the form of a 50,000,000-strong army of Imperial Clone Troopers to defend the Holy Empire of Athenys should any backward, religion-defending nation wish to militarily or politically attack the Holy Empire.
As a declaration of god-modding.

Nevertheless, your bigotry and hatred will not be tolerated. It is clear that you wish to see us dead, therefore we will return the favour. You have 48 hours to apologize for your declarations, or you may expect retaliatory strikes from all freedom-loving nations.
Your kind of mindless despotic barbarians belong in the Middle Ages, and that is the age we intend to bomb you back to.

Freedom will be defended at all costs.

The Empire of the Evil will not apologize for these statements and will stand by the Holy Empire of Athenys against any attacks by the bigotry and hatred of the Christian nations, who, in all truth, seem to be vowing to destroy any other nation which has been enlightened by the truth, given to us by such luminaries as Marx, Voltaire, Nietzsche and Paine, to the cost of their freedom, their reputations and, in some cases, even their lives - that Christianity is wrong and that other forms of belief must be found to follow. The Empire of the Evil laughs at your contradictory statements - that the Empire belongs to the Middle Ages and that your Christian nation represents freedom - when, in truth, Christianity belongs to the Middle Ages and atheism, or even any other form of religious belief <i>except</i> Christianity, represents true freedom. The Empire of the Evil states to the nation of Constantinopolis that it is Ready for War (as the Empire of the Evil lives in a constant State of War (TM)) and that you and the 'freedom-loving,' 'peaceful' nations will find our gigantic nuclear arsenal, our powerful economy, our large population, our large military and our countless allies to be overwhelmingly superior to your piddling forces. The Emperor, Master of the Dark Side, will obliterate your insane views where they belong - Back in the Stone Age.

The Empire of the Evil applauds such a mature decision taken by the Holy Empire of Athenys and wishes the Holy Empire's further expulsions of Christians the best. The Emperor feels that Christianity is like a cancer which must be extricated and obliterated off the face of the Earth at all costs.
The Holy Empire of Constantinopolis understand this as a declaration of war. And we understand this:
The Empire of the Evil will gladly give military support in the form of a 50,000,000-strong army of Imperial Clone Troopers to defend the Holy Empire of Athenys should any backward, religion-defending nation wish to militarily or politically attack the Holy Empire.
As a declaration of god-modding.

Nevertheless, your bigotry and hatred will not be tolerated. It is clear that you wish to see us dead, therefore we will return the favour. You have 48 hours to apologize for your declarations, or you may expect retaliatory strikes from all freedom-loving nations.
Your kind of mindless despotic barbarians belong in the Middle Ages, and that is the age we intend to bomb you back to.

Freedom will be defended at all costs.

The Empire of the Evil will not apologize for these statements and will stand by the Holy Empire of Athenys against any attacks by the bigotry and hatred of the Christian nations, who, in all truth, seem to be vowing to destroy any other nation which has been enlightened by the truth, given to us by such luminaries as Marx, Voltaire, Nietzsche and Paine, to the cost of their freedom, their reputations and, in some cases, even their lives - that Christianity is wrong and that other forms of belief must be found to follow. The Empire of the Evil laughs at your contradictory statements - that the Empire belongs to the Middle Ages and that your Christian nation represents freedom - when, in truth, Christianity belongs to the Middle Ages and atheism, or even any other form of religious belief <i>except</i> Christianity, represents true freedom. The Empire of the Evil states to the nation of Constantinopolis that it is Ready for War (as the Empire of the Evil lives in a constant State of War (TM)) and that you and the 'freedom-loving,' 'peaceful' nations will find our gigantic nuclear arsenal, our powerful economy, our large population, our large military and our countless allies to be overwhelmingly superior to your piddling forces. The Emperor, Master of the Dark Side, will obliterate your insane views where they belong - Back in the Stone Age.

when, in truth, Christianity belongs to the Middle Ages and atheism, or even any other form of religious belief <i>except</i> Christianity, represents true freedom.
I suppose you have actual PROOF for that statement? Oh, no, I forgot, you don't need any, you are God.
In fact, your entire speech is a wonderful little example of propaganda - well said, but absolutery nonsensical. You are spewing out non-sequiturs like they're going out of fashion.

Notice that the people of Constantinopolis have the freedom to worship whatever religion they wish, or none at all. As such, we are a free nation, while you are not.

I would also advise you to stop god-modding, or I will be forced to do the same.

Furthermore, we have no intention to intrude in any way on Athenys's right to self-determination. We only ask they they satisfy our curiosity by telling us more about their religion.

Our only conflict is with the Empire of The Evil.

Furthermore, we have no intention to intrude in any way on Athenys's right to self-determination. We only ask they they satisfy our curiosity by telling us more about their religion.

Our only conflict is with the Empire of The Evil.

Furthermore, we have no intention to intrude in any way on Athenys's right to self-determination. We only ask they they satisfy our curiosity by telling us more about their religion.

Our only conflict is with the Empire of The Evil.

Furthermore, we have no intention to intrude in any way on Athenys's right to self-determination. We only ask they they satisfy our curiosity by telling us more about their religion.

Our only conflict is with the Empire of The Evil.

The Empire of the Evil applauds such a mature decision taken by the Holy Empire of Athenys and wishes the Holy Empire's further expulsions of Christians the best. The Emperor feels that Christianity is like a cancer which must be extricated and obliterated off the face of the Earth at all costs.
The Holy Empire of Constantinopolis understand this as a declaration of war. And we understand this:
The Empire of the Evil will gladly give military support in the form of a 50,000,000-strong army of Imperial Clone Troopers to defend the Holy Empire of Athenys should any backward, religion-defending nation wish to militarily or politically attack the Holy Empire.
As a declaration of god-modding.

Nevertheless, your bigotry and hatred will not be tolerated. It is clear that you wish to see us dead, therefore we will return the favour. You have 48 hours to apologize for your declarations, or you may expect retaliatory strikes from all freedom-loving nations.
Your kind of mindless despotic barbarians belong in the Middle Ages, and that is the age we intend to bomb you back to.

Freedom will be defended at all costs.

The Empire of the Evil will not apologize for these statements and will stand by the Holy Empire of Athenys against any attacks by the bigotry and hatred of the Christian nations, who, in all truth, seem to be vowing to destroy any other nation which has been enlightened by the truth, given to us by such luminaries as Marx, Voltaire, Nietzsche and Paine, to the cost of their freedom, their reputations and, in some cases, even their lives - that Christianity is wrong and that other forms of belief must be found to follow. The Empire of the Evil laughs at your contradictory statements - that the Empire belongs to the Middle Ages and that your Christian nation represents freedom - when, in truth, Christianity belongs to the Middle Ages and atheism, or even any other form of religious belief except Christianity, represents true freedom. The Empire of the Evil states to the nation of Constantinopolis that it is Ready for War (as the Empire of the Evil lives in a constant State of War (TM)) and that you and the 'freedom-loving,' 'peaceful' nations will find our gigantic nuclear arsenal, our powerful economy, our large population, our large military and our countless allies to be overwhelmingly superior to your piddling forces. The Emperor, Master of the Dark Side, will obliterate your insane views where they belong - Back in the Stone Age.

The Commonwealth of Great Bight will make a formal declaration of alliance with the Holy Empire of Constantinopolis in the name of Holiness against the barbarians seeking to destroy all of Christendom.



Though we be a small archipelago nation we will contribute what we can in the Glorious Crusade against the infidels and call upon all Christianized nations to do so. Nay, we do more than that. We call upon All nations who wish to see their religions survive this heathen threat and secular freedom-loving democracies to do the same.

This is not merely a matter of the defence of Christianity - it is a matter of the defence of freedom. Following in the lead of other dictators, such as Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot, the leader of The Evil wants to exterminate entire nations - indeed, entire religions.

The Empire of The Evil is initiating nothing less than a campaign of genocide. We call upon all the free nations of the world to put an end to this threat to human civilization.

Racial and religious hatred have no place in a civilized world.

This is not merely a matter of the defence of Christianity - it is a matter of the defence of freedom. Following in the lead of other dictators, such as Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot, the leader of The Evil wants to exterminate entire nations - indeed, entire religions.

The Empire of The Evil is initiating nothing less than a campaign of genocide. We call upon all the free nations of the world to put an end to this threat to human civilization.

Racial and religious hatred have no place in a civilized world.

This is not merely a matter of the defence of Christianity - it is a matter of the defence of freedom. Following in the lead of other dictators, such as Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot, the leader of The Evil wants to exterminate entire nations - indeed, entire religions.

The Empire of The Evil is initiating nothing less than a campaign of genocide. We call upon all the free nations of the world to put an end to this threat to human civilization.

Racial and religious hatred have no place in a civilized world.

when, in truth, Christianity belongs to the Middle Ages and atheism, or even any other form of religious belief <i>except</i> Christianity, represents true freedom.
I suppose you have actual PROOF for that statement? Oh, no, I forgot, you don't need any, you are God.
In fact, your entire speech is a wonderful little example of propaganda - well said, but absolutery nonsensical. You are spewing out non-sequiturs like they're going out of fashion.

Notice that the people of Constantinopolis have the freedom to worship whatever religion they wish, or none at all. As such, we are a free nation, while you are not.

I would also advise you to stop god-modding, or I will be forced to do the same.

The Emperor does have proof towards the first quoted statement in the fact that the domination of the Catholic Church (originator of all Christianity) during the Middle Ages - the main force of oppression towards each peasant was the Catholic Church, which ruled mercilessly by the use of the Inquisition and other such institutions. If the representative of Constantinopolis disagrees with this, the Emperor advises him to go take a basic history course.

Also, please point out the non-sequiturs found in my argument in a sequential manner. Should the representative of Constantinopolis find a true non-sequitur, the Emperor will apologize completely. However, the Empire will continue supporting the nation of Athenys in case of an invasion designed to destroy its sovereignty.

I will advise the nation of Constantinople that, while the Emperor is an atheist, the people of the Empire of the Evil have the freedom to worship any religion they wish to worship except Christianity - anyone who disagrees with this is free to leave our borders towards other nations.

As for 'god-modding,' The Emperor is showing what the Empire's power can do. The Emperor nowhere made the explicit assumption that He is god. It would be ridiculous for an atheist Emperor to assert and/or imply He is god.

Best,

--
Emperor Imperatus I of The Evil.

when, in truth, Christianity belongs to the Middle Ages and atheism, or even any other form of religious belief <i>except</i> Christianity, represents true freedom.
I suppose you have actual PROOF for that statement? Oh, no, I forgot, you don't need any, you are God.
In fact, your entire speech is a wonderful little example of propaganda - well said, but absolutery nonsensical. You are spewing out non-sequiturs like they're going out of fashion.

Notice that the people of Constantinopolis have the freedom to worship whatever religion they wish, or none at all. As such, we are a free nation, while you are not.

I would also advise you to stop god-modding, or I will be forced to do the same.

The Emperor does have proof towards the first quoted statement in the fact that the domination of the Catholic Church (originator of all Christianity) during the Middle Ages - the main force of oppression towards each peasant was the Catholic Church, which ruled mercilessly by the use of the Inquisition and other such institutions. If the representative of Constantinopolis disagrees with this, the Emperor advises him to go take a basic history course.

Also, please point out the non-sequiturs found in my argument in a sequential manner. Should the representative of Constantinopolis find a true non-sequitur, the Emperor will apologize completely. However, the Empire will continue supporting the nation of Athenys in case of an invasion designed to destroy its sovereignty.

I will advise the nation of Constantinople that, while the Emperor is an atheist, the people of the Empire of the Evil have the freedom to worship any religion they wish to worship except Christianity - anyone who disagrees with this is free to leave our borders towards other nations.

As for 'god-modding,' The Emperor is showing what the Empire's power can do. The Emperor nowhere made the explicit assumption that He is god. It would be ridiculous for an atheist Emperor to assert and/or imply He is god.

Best,

--
Emperor Imperatus I of The Evil.

The Emperor does have proof towards the first quoted statement in the fact that the domination of the Catholic Church (originator of all Christianity) during the Middle Ages - the main force of oppression towards each peasant was the Catholic Church, which ruled mercilessly by the use of the Inquisition and other such institutions. If the representative of Constantinopolis disagrees with this, the Emperor advises him to go take a basic history course.
In response to that, the Basileus of Constantinopolis wishes to point the attention of the Emperor towards the massacres done in the name of atheism during the 20th century. Stalin himself killed and tortured more people than the Church ever did in its entire history, and if we add Mao and Pol Pot to the equation...

We would also like to remind his majesty that Christianity did not originate in the Middle Ages, but over 1000 years earlier. And the early Christian communities were the most egalitarian and fair societies that existed in their day.

As for the Middle Ages, the Church was no extraordinary case: Kings and Emperors regulary arrested dissidents and killed people on a whim. To single out the Church among all the other powers using the same, if not more extreme, methods is hypocritical.
However, the Empire will continue supporting the nation of Athenys in case of an invasion designed to destroy its sovereignty.
I have repeatedly stated that I have no quarrel with the nation of Athenys, and you have repeatedly ignored that statement.As a fellow Free Nation, Athenys has our full confidence and we do not believe they will choose to ally with bigots such as yourself.
I will advise the nation of Constantinople that, while the Emperor is an atheist, the people of the Empire of the Evil have the freedom to worship any religion they wish to worship except Christianity
Therefore Constantinopolis provides more religious freedom than The Evil. QED.

We also wish to extend our sincere gratitude to Great Bight for offering to help in the defence of freedom.

We also wish to extend our sincere gratitude to Great Bight for offering to help in the defence of freedom.

The Emperor would like to point out that he is not replying to the last statement because he does not want to violate Godwins' Law.

Best,

--
Emperor Imperatus I of The Evil

And the Basileus would like to point out that he is not familiar with Godwins' Law, but that the name of this law would seem to imply that the Emperor is bluffing.

Please, enlighten me.

GE hereby posts a notice that a derelict vessel was boarded and seized as salvage, having drifted into territorial waters. The Captain's Log records the boarding and transit of some 200 missionaries. Later log entries indicates that, after converting the crew, the missionaries then requested passage to Constantinopolis. The log does not indicate the fate of those on board, and a cursory examination of the vessel did not discover any indications of battle, whether internal (mutiny) or external (boarding action). The vessel is being held in Felis Domestica, the capital city of GE.

The United Socialist States of Minveria, while avowedly atheist, supports total freedom of religion, and as such condones the expulsion of missionaries simply based upon their religious purpose. Expulsion and deportation are tools only to be used in the face of serious violations of law. Please don't abuse the privledge to reduce the basic human freedom of religion.

The United Socialist States of Minveria, while avowedly atheist, supports total freedom of religion, and as such condones the expulsion of missionaries simply based upon their religious purpose. Expulsion and deportation are tools only to be used in the face of serious violations of law. Please don't abuse the privledge to reduce the basic human freedom of religion.

The Islamic state offers sanctary for 200 expelled Christians

Apropos of nothing ... the Holy Empire of Babalon Incarnate has found tremendous success in assimilating the countless Christian missionaries who have flocked to Her lush shores over the past 15-20 years, to such a degree that they have ceased coming entirely.

Those that came were welcomed for every bit of social effort they offered in aiding our developing nation with assistance of varying kinds: medical care, rudimentary education, skilled labor, etc. not to mention a wealth of food and materials surplus generously donated. Truckloads and cargo vessels full of their publications -- leaflets, pamphlets, booklets, and books -- were cleansed and pulped in our paper recycling plants, yielding millions of tons of paper product without the need to harm any of the rare and beautiful trees in our plentiful rainforests. Worthless garments were harvested for their fabric, dismantled, and reconstructed into creative, colorful fashions for the youth and ritual attire for our Seers, Oracles, Magickians, Initiatrices and other members of the polyclergy.

Daily intercourse with these foreigners launched an entire parliamentary bureau in our Sacred Court devoted to a process your common tongue has no translation for, but the process of winemaking serves as an illustration. It is a distillation process, and also something of an alchemical one, involving research, analysis, systems theory, creative meta-paradigm mapping, and metaphysical-level symbol-set decryption. Realizing these foreigners represented a large number of human beings sharing this world with us, we seized the opportunity to essentially sublimate their meme-structure, zeitgeist-nexus and paradigm threads.

Not long thereafter this process had been completed -- sometime around the year marked 1991 in your common era -- the ministers in our para-theosophical distillation bureau commenced work upon the architecture of something Our People term "the Grail Bridge" with a specific application in mind toward these foreigners, to assist them in evolving beyond the psycho-spiritual entrapment and disempowerment they evinced in our midst, and its attendant symptoms of confusion, bigotry, hypocrisy and denial bred from the twin cancers of self-doubt and self-loathing. We were seven years in the laboring toward this end until we emerged with the solution encoded in language which would be not only intelligible to these foreigners but also appealing, and making clear, consistent, impeccable employment of their own particular favored reference material to back up the concepts upon which We intended to intoxicate them.

Against this solution even the most reticent among them were at an utter loss to effectively gainsay or overthrow, and eventually our earnest and patient labors paid off in the joyful form of seeing them, one by one, however reluctantly and nervously at first, eventually liberated from the chains of guilt, fear, and emotional schizophrenia that bound them. However, as word got out to their fellows in their homelands of how they had abandoned their toxic nightmares for the fresh dreams of delirious ecstasy found in the Inward Flame of the Serpent and the Embrace of the Sacred Harlot, they came less and less to our Holy Empire. At first, believing their people somehow brain-controlled, they sent envoys to forcibly drag them home. But the ones who had benefitted from our patient, loving, gentle ministrations in unfolding the Sacred Jewels and Ultimate Sparks of Intimate Fire within themselves refused to go with them and further, maintained no hold kept them but that of their own volition. Initially this angered the envoys, but after a time it terrified them. They feared Our People, and their brethren who had come to live among us, as if utterly consumed by Dispersion (I believe in common tongue the term is "demonically possessed"?) and dast not set foot upon our lands again.

Which suited all of us just fine, as our nation had developed by then beyond all need of their aid, and we craved no interference from their sectors. Besides, after awhile it just gets wearisome and dull having the same argument, over and over again, and Our People are too intelligent to believe monster stories that breach the immutable Law of Is As Does.

Pax Templi,
Narscissa Madanaim 147
Acting Holographic Transmission Agent to Her Majesty
The Holy Empire of Babalon Incarnate

The nation of Freebodnik IV would request that all participating parties attend the World Peace Summit and resolve their differences at the bargaining table and not in open combat. This coincides with Freebodnik IV's ongoing diplomatic war upon war itself. World peace can only result if we learn to co-exist.

The Christian missionaries have already been deported, and they are being offered refuge in numerous nations. The nation which deported them has simply stated that it was ready to defend itself should it be attacked, whilst Constantinopolis has not openly attacked it. Nations are now flocking to each others' sides, even though no nation has been threatened. The threat is implied, not explicit. The best solution would be for all nations to simply pass the matter over and resume neutrality.

Dutifully,
The People of Freebodnik IV

The nation of Freebodnik IV would request that all participating parties attend the World Peace Summit and resolve their differences at the bargaining table and not in open combat. This coincides with Freebodnik IV's ongoing diplomatic war upon war itself. World peace can only result if we learn to co-exist.

The Christian missionaries have already been deported, and they are being offered refuge in numerous nations. The nation which deported them has simply stated that it was ready to defend itself should it be attacked, whilst Constantinopolis has not openly attacked it. Nations are now flocking to each others' sides, even though no nation has been threatened. The threat is implied, not explicit. The best solution would be for all nations to simply pass the matter over and resume neutrality.

Dutifully,
The People of Freebodnik IV

Constantinopolis, the basics of our faith simply state that in return for leading us from our bondage and empowering her people, we the children of the Goddess Athenys in turn will keep our covenant with her and retain our faith. The Goddess recognizes and admits that she is not the only divine power, but we owe her a debt for her gifts of creation and freedom.

. The Elders as well as the Empress our High Priestess make up our government and our guided by the Goddess in helping rule our nation. By trying to convert our people, those missionaries have tried to subvert our people and lead them into treason against our leaders. They continually insist that our Goddess is not a Goddess and that our people are damned by worship a ‘false’ deity. This is a serious violation of our law and as such we have every right to deport them. By the laws of most nations we could have executed them, but we understand that their intentions were for the good. But while we are understanding we will at no time allow our nation or our people to be subverted by others.


The Holy Empire of Athenys
Thru Her Faith We Are Empowered

Also, please note, all the Missionaries were returned to their home countries via our military alive and completely unharmed. <OOC: Well not completely, there were a few bruises and scrapes, but nothing to imply any great level of brutality> There is no need to give them refuge unless their own home nations find them as aggravating as we do and have refused them re-entry.

We appreciate the offers of support and are saddened by the fact that so many nations are willing to go to war to protect the religious freedoms of one group of people, but not our own. All we wish to do is protect the soverenty of our nation and people.



The Holy Empire of Athenys
Thru Her Faith We Are Empowered

Also, please note, all the Missionaries were returned to their home countries via our military alive and completely unharmed. <OOC: Well not completely, there were a few bruises and scrapes, but nothing to imply any great level of brutality> There is no need to give them refuge unless their own home nations find them as aggravating as we do and have refused them re-entry.

We appreciate the offers of support and are saddened by the fact that so many nations are willing to go to war to protect the religious freedoms of one group of people, but not our own. Why is it that the rights of our people and nations are unimportant, but the rights of the Missionaries takes precedence?


The Holy Empire of Athenys
Thru Her Faith We Are Empowered

Most Esteemed Ambassadors of the Holy Empire of Athenys:

Your nation and your people are under no obligation to men, nor gods, to nurture vipers at your bosom, now or ever, and utterly within your rights to deport from your lands those who respect not the sacred foundations thereof.

Be it known to you this day that the Holy Empire of Babalon proclaims your right to defend your lands and people against the intrusion of those who disrespect the glory of your propitious Goddess -- Sister to Our Incarnate Queen is She and long may she shew Her strength! -- as well those who dismiss or attempt to thwart the civil and religious liberties of your populous. Be it known to you this day that the Holy Empire of Babalon stands beside you in defense of your right with pen, tongue, sword and shield, and is ready to assist you in this matter in whatever way She can.

Rhiannon Dragosani, Ministry of Allied Rearguard Defenses
In the Name and Glory of Her Incarnate Majesty
Holy Empire of Babalon Incarnate

Most Esteemed Ambassadors of the Holy Empire of Athenys:

Your nation and your people are under no obligation to men, nor gods, to nurture vipers at your bosom, now or ever, and utterly within your rights to deport from your lands those who respect not the sacred foundations thereof.

Be it known to you this day that the Holy Empire of Babalon proclaims your right to defend your lands and people against the intrusion of those who disrespect the glory of your propitious Goddess -- Sister to Our Incarnate Queen is She and long may she shew Her strength! -- as well those who dismiss or attempt to thwart the civil and religious liberties of your populous. Be it known to you this day that the Holy Empire of Babalon stands beside you in defense of your right with pen, tongue, sword and shield, and is ready to assist you in this matter in whatever way She can.

Rhiannon Dragosani, Ministry of Allied Rearguard Defenses
In the Name and Glory of Her Incarnate Majesty
Holy Empire of Babalon Incarnate

The Republic of Dover expresses its disappointment in Athenys at its open-faced hostility and bigotry towards Christians. You must govern a feeble-minded and gullible people if you are so stressed over Christians trying to convert them. Dover suggests you let your people think and decide for themselves.

Christianity is more than merely a cancer, it is a regeneration of the heart that has wrought only positive changes in the countries that have adopted it. The United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom are all founded on the Protestant ideals of individual initiative, unalienable human rights, including the right to practice whatever religion they want, the right to live--in essence the right to be free, unencumbered by big-brother type tyrants such as The Empire of the Evil. Surely the basic tenets of Christianity, such as the Golden Rule, loving one's neighbor as one's self, and the idea of a personal, loving God are not dangerous?

The evangelistic aspect of Christianity does not arise out of bigotry, fear, or even zealotry. It arises out of a deep compassion and charitable disposition that one's neighbor have the chance to find the way to Heaven and a happy, meaningful existence here on earth instead of being left to flounder around in the meaningless, sterile ways of man.

God bless you all,
Hon. John Adams
Dover

Holy Empire of Athenys, we sympathize with your position and the debt of gratitude you owe to your Goddess.
However, we suggest that if the faith of your people is so weak as to be threatened by missionarries, you need to take steps to stregthen it.

Silencing the opposing religions does not constitute an act in support of religious freedom, and that is why so many nations condemned it.

The Commonwealth of Great Bight wishes to inform the Holy Empires of Athenys and Babylon Incarnate that the main quarrel does not lie with them but with The Evil, unless they choose to make it that way...

The Commonwealth of Great Bight wishes to also add to the Republic of Dover's claims by mentioning how Catholic Ireland and the Vaticant basically saved Western Civilization after the fall of Rome by being centers of Knowledge. And let's not forget the Holy Roman Empire of Charlemagne, a triumph of the Middle Ages against the barbarian hordes of the Goths. Surely we can all agree Russia was much better off under Orthodoxy than Stalin as a god. Freedom-wise especially.

Yet again we see that humanity, in all of its vaunted knowledge, is not yet ready for organized religion.

Religion has been the single largest cause of warfare and violence in the world as a whole, and Christianity tops the list as being the instigator of some of the most violent and bloody wars in the history of humankind.

Now, the USSK takes no side in this conflict, we do not care what fait or religion you are. We have made it illegal for organized religions to hold public forum within our country, and that is not limited to just Christianity. Within our nation you will not find a single shrine, temple, church, holy place, or whatever else religious orders call their places of worship.

We in the USSK believe faith to be a personal thing, and not something that should be forced upon everyone around you. Therefor, we have inacted laws preventing such occurences from happening. Foreign Missionaries are deported, internal missionaries forfeit their right of Citizenship, and any and all religious propoganda are burned.

We believe that each Citizen has the right to follow their own faith, but in the privacy of their own homes.

Argueing over Christianity is nonsense, and should have no place in international politics.

Citizen Caelistis
First Citizen, United Socialist States of Kaenei.

Yet again we see that humanity, in all of its vaunted knowledge, is not yet ready for organized religion.

Religion has been the single largest cause of warfare and violence in the world as a whole, and Christianity tops the list as being the instigator of some of the most violent and bloody wars in the history of humankind.

Now, the USSK takes no side in this conflict, we do not care what fait or religion you are. We have made it illegal for organized religions to hold public forum within our country, and that is not limited to just Christianity. Within our nation you will not find a single shrine, temple, church, holy place, or whatever else religious orders call their places of worship.

We in the USSK believe faith to be a personal thing, and not something that should be forced upon everyone around you. Therefor, we have inacted laws preventing such occurences from happening. Foreign Missionaries are deported, internal missionaries forfeit their right of Citizenship, and any and all religious propoganda are burned.

We believe that each Citizen has the right to follow their own faith, but in the privacy of their own homes.

Argueing over Christianity is nonsense, and should have no place in international politics.

Citizen Caelistis
First Citizen, United Socialist States of Kaenei.

Yet again we see that humanity, in all of its vaunted knowledge, is not yet ready for organized religion.

Religion has been the single largest cause of warfare and violence in the world as a whole, and Christianity tops the list as being the instigator of some of the most violent and bloody wars in the history of humankind.

Now, the USSK takes no side in this conflict, we do not care what faith or religion you are. We have made it illegal for organized religions to hold public forum within our country, and that is not limited to just Christianity. Within our nation you will not find a single shrine, temple, church, holy place, or whatever else religious orders call their places of worship.

We in the USSK believe faith to be a personal thing, and not something that should be forced upon everyone around you. Therefore, we have inacted laws preventing such occurences from happening. Foreign Missionaries are deported, internal missionaries forfeit their right of Citizenship, and any and all religious propoganda are burned.

We believe that each Citizen has the right to follow their own faith, but in the privacy of their own homes.

Argueing over Christianity is nonsense, and should have no place in international politics.

Citizen Caelistis
First Citizen, United Socialist States of Kaenei.

Let it be noted that the Empire of Sirian shall lend any aid necessary to the Holy Empire of Constantinopolis should the need arise. :evil:

The Commonwealth of Great Bight wishes to remind The Evil that Arthur Miller also said "God is dead[!]" in his 1950s classic play against McCarthyism and "witch hunts", The Crucible.

I'd like to note that that point is irrelevant considering that Friedrich Nietzsche predates Arthur Miller.

The Republic of Boriken is appaled at the actions taken by AThenys. Our people would like to join those enlightened nations in protest, and are ready to welcome any of these refugees that would like to settle within our Border's. Though we are a Catholic nation, and the denomination of these missionaries is unclear to us, it matters little. We would be traitors to our Catholicism if we did not help these opressed souls.

Jose Matos, Prime Minister of Boriken

The Free Land of Alona the Great gladly supports The Holy Empire of Athenys. You are fully within your rights to deport these people and we admire you for your careful attention to human welfare while exacuting their deportment. Though our army is pitful, we will gladly give you what support we may if you are attacked.

Brothers in Liberty and Christ.
WHY do we suffer this action?
When do we take action? does it take Christians Herded into death camps before we act?
I propose economic relations are broken off and then harsher measures taken against this fledgling nation to stop this wild Anti Christian behavour.

General Matthew, Defender of the Faith

Brothers in Liberty and Christ.
WHY do we suffer this action?
When do we take action? does it take Christians Herded into death camps before we act?
I propose economic relations are broken off and then harsher measures taken against this fledgling nation to stop this wild Anti Christian behavour.

General Matthew, Defender of the Faith

When do we take action? does it take Christians Herded into death camps before we act?
Unfortunately, yes.

You see, if atheist nations outlaw organized religions and execute everyone caught praying to God, it's "separation of Church and State".

But if Christian nations do as much as touch a hair on an atheist's head, it's "horrible persecution".

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Very well, it seems we have no choice but to return the favour. As of today, 12th of January 2003, 11 PM GMT, the practice of atheism and anti-religious propaganda in public is outlawed within the borders of Constantinopolis.

Anyone caught arguing in favour of atheism in public will be immediately deported to any nation willing to receive him/her. If they return, they face criminal charges and imprisonment.

This law will remain in effect as long as atheist nations hold similar legislation against Christianity.

- Justinian II, Basileus of the Holy Empire of Constantinopolis

We urge all fellow religious nations, whether they be Christian, Moslem, Jewish, etc. to take similar actions against our common enemies.

It is clear that reasonable argument will not have any effect on such fanatical atheists. They defend their non-belief with religious zeal, some (The Evil) going as far as to proclaim a sort of "holy war" against religion!

This situation cannot be tolerated. As long as they outlaw organized religion, we will outlaw atheism. We are no one's fools.

The Faith of our people is not weak, in the majority it is very strong, but as in any nation, there are individuals who’s faith is weaker then others. It is these people that we saw as potential victims of the Missionaries and their attacks on our Faith and way of life. Our Faith decree’s that all citizens of our nation must honor our Covenant with the Goddess, which is why we moved to our remote region, to make sure our Children, and our Children’s Children would have the chance to stay true to Her.

To the Nation of Great Blight, need I remind you that in the Middle Ages Scrolls were BURNED because the knowledge in them contradicted that what the church taught. While at the same time the Muslim world was doing their best to save as much of this knowledge as possible. Bruno a mathematician alive at the time of Galileo was burned at the stake because he dared to teach that the Earth revolved around the sun. The Spanish Church tortured people who refused to convert after the Moors were defeated and chased from Spain. The Crusaders killed thousand of their fellow Christians and looted their towns on the way to ‘free’ the Holy Lands from foreign invaders.

Unlike many faiths, the Christian one included, we do not insist that our way is the only way to gain access to the Divine, only that our people need to follow the teachings of our Goddess.

Constantinopolis, OUR religious freedoms are at stake when foreigners try to convert our people. Why should we allow people to come our nation only to subvert our people? What type of freedom is that? The freedom to see our nation and culture destroyed because your beliefs offer an ‘easier’ redemption and lead us away from teachings we hold dear? Should we allow our people to be divided like the Irish and pulled into terrible wars? We hold true to our rights to protect our People, our Faith, and our Nation from such attacks. We respect your rights and your points of views, but please stop trying to make our beautiful nation into a copy of yours.



The Holy Empire of Athenys
Thru Her Faith We Are Empowered

Nation of Athenys, we respect your devotion to your Goddess and your determination to respect your covenant with her. Constantinopolis has not, nor will we ever send Missionaries to your land.

This is not a matter of religious freedom, since you are restricting the freedom of other religions. However, it is a matter of keeping true to a holy covenant, and we respect that. Your faith is powerful, and your devotion is eternal. Your Goddess chose her people wisely.

*gives a respectful salute*

There is only one small matter we wish to address in your argument. Indeed, the Church has done some very un-Christian things during the Middle Ages... but without it, there would have been no Middle Ages to start with. Without the cohesion and unity brought about by a single religion, and without the actions of Charlemagne in the name of that religion, Europe would have never risen out of the Dark Ages. Even worse - without a Christian army to stop him at Poitiers, the Arab Calif would have easily swept through the entire continent with his superior armies.

In other words, without Christianity, Europe as we know it could not begin to exist. With all their barbarism, the events of the Middle Ages were much better than the alternative... So it's a case of "God giveth, God taketh", if you will...


But that is not the issue at hand. We offer you the hand of friendship, because we respect your defence of your faith and your covenant.

Nation of Athenys, we respect your devotion to your Goddess and your determination to respect your covenant with her. Constantinopolis has not, nor will we ever send Missionaries to your land.

This is not a matter of religious freedom, since you are restricting the freedom of other religions. However, it is a matter of keeping true to a holy covenant, and we respect that. Your faith is powerful, and your devotion is eternal. Your Goddess chose her people wisely.

*gives a respectful salute*

There is only one small matter we wish to address in your argument. Indeed, the Church has done some very un-Christian things during the Middle Ages... but without it, there would have been no Middle Ages to start with. Without the cohesion and unity brought about by a single religion, and without the actions of Charlemagne in the name of that religion, Europe would have never risen out of the Dark Ages. Even worse - without a Christian army to stop him at Poitiers, the Arab Calif would have easily swept through the entire continent with his superior armies.

In other words, without Christianity, Europe as we know it could not begin to exist. With all their barbarism, the events of the Middle Ages were much better than the alternative... So it's a case of "God giveth, God taketh", if you will...


But that is not the issue at hand. We offer you the hand of friendship, because we respect your defence of your faith and your covenant.

Nation of Athenys, we respect your devotion to your Goddess and your determination to respect your covenant with her. Constantinopolis has not, nor will we ever send Missionaries to your land.

This is not a matter of religious freedom, since you are restricting the freedom of other religions. However, it is a matter of keeping true to a holy covenant, and we respect that. Your faith is powerful, and your devotion is eternal. Your Goddess chose her people wisely.

*gives a respectful salute*

There is only one small matter we wish to address in your argument. Indeed, the Church has done some very un-Christian things during the Middle Ages... but without it, there would have been no Middle Ages to start with. Without the cohesion and unity brought about by a single religion, and without the actions of Charlemagne in the name of that religion, Europe would have never risen out of the Dark Ages. Even worse - without a Christian army to stop him at Poitiers, the Arab Calif would have easily swept through the entire continent with his superior armies.

In other words, without Christianity, Europe as we know it could not begin to exist. With all their barbarism, the events of the Middle Ages were much better than the alternative... So it's a case of "God giveth, God taketh", if you will...


But that is not the issue at hand. We offer you the hand of friendship, because we respect your defence of your faith and your covenant.

Steroidfreak wishes to remind Constantinopolis that its annual AtheistFest runs from Jan. 19-26 in the bawdy Arthur Miller Beach district. Atheists from all walks of life will gather again, and any you deport are certainly welcome to join the fun. See our official Web site at steroidfreak.com for details.

Those who are tossing out Christian missionaries should not forget to remind them that Preacherpalooza is Jan. 27-Feb 2 in our Cathedral City district.

Admission to both events is free for anyone wearing one of our nation's finest products, the popular faith-based thong.

Leif O'Taparrdee
Undersecretary for Raucous Fun, Ministry of Tourism

The Democratic States of Riaute make it a practice to adopt no national standards for religion, adjudicating "virtue" in an ultimately pragmatic sense.

However, 75% of Riaute's population practices Christianity in some form or other. Riaute's corporations are fairly free to conduct or not conduct trade outside Riaute's borders as they so choose. Nations with strong opposition to Christianity, or indeed _any_ religion practiced by employees of Riaute's many corporations, may not receive full consideration as potential trading partners of those corporations.

This is not to impugn the right of a people to hold the beliefs and practice the standards they deem fit for themselves, merely a reminder that, in this era of global interaction, beliefs and standards can and do impact economic decisions.

An estimated 70% of Riaute's Parliament are practicing Christians of one denomination or another.

Menelmacar supports Athenys in this matter. You will note that nowhere do the Athenysians say they have banned all religions save the state faith or the private practice thereof, they have only banned the missionaries. As long as they are not executing or enslaving or burning anyone at the stake, but handling the situation in a calm and civilized manner, I'd have to classify this as an 'internal matter' and therefore none of my business. I have a deep faith in my own gods, Eru Iluvatar and the pantheon of the Valar and the Maiar. Of course, this arises from having personally met and lived among them many thousands of years ago. The Valar do not deny the existence or even the possibility of other divine powers, nor does the goddess of Athenys' faith, the goddesses of the Demonese religion, or many others. I think the main problem the Athenysian people have with Christianity is not that it preaches the Word of a different deity than their own, but that it denies even the possibility of their own deity's existence... or mine, for that matter. Christianity has a long history of denying things that can actually be proven to be true because it threatens the tenets of their own dogma instead of accepting new truths and adjusting their teachings instead of denying the undeniable. In my opinion this is a valid argument on the part of Athenys and therefore they have my full support. Athenys, your devotion, perseverance, honesty, and reason have earned you a friend in the Menelmacari people.

To the Honorable John Adams of Dover, none of those ideals are unique to Christianity. I am not defending the actions of The Evil, in fact, I deplore them, but to say that individual initiative, human rights, deep compassion, and a charitable disposition are uniquely Christian ideals that would not exist if not for Christendom is both a fallacy and an insult to all non-Christians.

http://www.liquid2k.net/sirithil/sirithilnosfeanor.pngLady Sirithil nos Fëanor
Elentari of the Empire of Menelmacar

Menelmacar supports Athenys in this matter. You will note that nowhere do the Athenysians say they have banned all religions save the state faith or the private practice thereof, they have only banned the missionaries. As long as they are not executing or enslaving or burning anyone at the stake, but handling the situation in a calm and civilized manner, I'd have to classify this as an 'internal matter' and therefore none of my business. I have a deep faith in my own gods, Eru Iluvatar and the pantheon of the Valar and the Maiar. Of course, this arises from having personally met and lived among them many thousands of years ago. The Valar do not deny the existence or even the possibility of other divine powers, nor does the goddess of Athenys' faith, the goddesses of the Demonese religion, or many others. I think the main problem the Athenysian people have with Christianity is not that it preaches the Word of a different deity than their own, but that it denies even the possibility of their own deity's existence... or mine, for that matter. Christianity has a long history of denying things that can actually be proven to be true because it threatens the tenets of their own dogma instead of accepting new truths. It has long denied the undeniable instead of simply adjusting their teachings to incorporate new findings. In my opinion this is a valid argument on the part of Athenys and therefore they have my full support. Athenys, your devotion, perseverance, honesty, and reason have earned you a friend in the Menelmacari people.

To the Honorable John Adams of Dover, none of those ideals are unique to Christianity. I am not defending the actions of The Evil, in fact, I deplore them, but to say that individual initiative, human rights, deep compassion, and a charitable disposition are uniquely Christian ideals that would not exist if not for Christendom is both a fallacy and an insult to all non-Christians.

http://www.liquid2k.net/sirithil/sirithilnosfeanor.pngLady Sirithil nos Fëanor
Elentari of the Empire of Menelmacar

This situation cannot be tolerated. As long as they outlaw organized religion, we will outlaw atheism. We are no one's fools.

No one's but your own, it would seem. If you, or indeed they, really believed your/their ways were superior, you/they would not need to outlaw opposing points of view. By permitting free expression of such ideas and still overcoming those ideas, you would show the true strength of your own. To outlaw an opposing point of view, on the other hand, suggests that that position is so true, so powerful, so dangerous, that your own ideas cannot meet it on equal ground and hope to triumph. The restriction of ideas is, in our experience, the greatest sign of weakness and lack of faith.

In Ravenspire, people worship (or refrain from doing so) as they please, and speak on whatever topic motivates them, yet we see little of the religion- or antireligion-influenced crimes and other situations that apparently plague your nation or Athenys. My guess would be that it's to do with respecting others as people, but I'm hardly a sociologist.

Mind you, we're not about to denounce Athenys, you, the unnamed atheist states, or anyone else for restricting religion within your own national boundaries. It doesn't affect our citizens, after all. If anything, it leaves us in a stronger position in the long run.

We will gladly receive any expatriate from religiously-intolerant states, so long as that individual submits to the usual background check and immigration procedures.

Hotaru Akayami
Foxgirl Representative Pro Tem

This situation cannot be tolerated. As long as they outlaw organized religion, we will outlaw atheism. We are no one's fools.

No one's but your own, it would seem. If you, or indeed they, really believed your/their ways were superior, you/they would not need to outlaw opposing points of view. By permitting free expression of such ideas and still overcoming those ideas, you would show the true strength of your own. To outlaw an opposing point of view, on the other hand, suggests that that position is so true, so powerful, so dangerous, that your own ideas cannot meet it on equal ground and hope to triumph. The restriction of ideas is, in our experience, the greatest sign of weakness and lack of faith.

In Ravenspire, people worship (or refrain from doing so) as they please, and speak on whatever topic motivates them, yet we see little of the religion- or antireligion-influenced crimes and other situations that apparently plague your nation or Athenys. My guess would be that it's to do with respecting others as people, but I'm hardly a sociologist.

Mind you, we're not about to denounce Athenys, you, the unnamed atheist states, or anyone else for restricting religion within your own national boundaries. It doesn't affect our citizens, after all. If anything, it leaves us in a stronger position in the long run.

We will gladly receive any expatriate from religiously-intolerant states, so long as that individual submits to the usual background check and immigration procedures.

Hotaru Akayami
Foxgirl Representative Pro Tem

Christainity isnt at blame for that violence..its the solution.
Expulsion of people based on Christianity is criminal.and should be dealt with as such.
AMDG
General Matthew, Defender of the Faith, Iesus Christi

Expulsion of people based on Christianity is criminal.and should be dealt with as such.
AMDG
General Matthew, Defender of the Faith, Iesus Christi
Do I have to write yet another four page long post largely consisting of quotes from you, just to once again illustrate your atrocious hypocrisy?

http://www.liquid2k.net/sirithil/sirithilnosfeanor.pngLady Sirithil nos Fëanor
Elentari of the Empire of Menelmacar