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He sounds like him.
He acts like him.
He smells like him.

Could be.

Being someone who knows a fair bit about both Dubya and Gollum, I can say without doubt that they are NOT the same person, nor is there the slightest resemblance in any way between the two.

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Yup same here. They arent the same person. I havent heard Dubya say "my precious" yet. :roll:

We of the Sultanate of Antinousia wish to point out the absurdity of thinking that Dubya could possibly be Gollum in disguise.

(1) Gollum is a split personality where a decent side is constantly warring with an evil side. Dubya is a single personality.

(2) Gollum has a coherent foreign policy.

(3) Gollum never put people like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condaleeza Rice and Harvey Pitt in positions of responsibility.

(4) Gollum's speeches can actually be understood.

I said he is, because I'd like to think that my country was not so stupid as to vote the real Dubya into office.

I said he is, because I'd like to think that my country was not so stupid as to vote the real Dubya into office.

You didn't. :wink:

We of the Sultanate of Antinousia wish to point out the absurdity of thinking that Dubya could possibly be Gollum in disguise.

(1) Gollum is a split personality where a decent side is constantly warring with an evil side. Dubya is a single personality.

(2) Gollum has a coherent foreign policy.

(3) Gollum never put people like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condaleeza Rice and Harvey Pitt in positions of responsibility.

(4) Gollum's speeches can actually be understood.
1. True.
2. Oh? What is Gollum's foreign policy? Bush's seems quite coherent to me. In fact, it's very simple, and quite reasonable; 'If you are a terrorist or a nation in support of terrorists, we reserve the right to kick your ass.' And rightly so.
3. For one thing, Gollum has never been in a position to, and for another, those were excellent appointments, with the exception of Harvey Pitt.
4. Hmm... have you listened to any of Bush's speeches instead of just reading the highlights as printed in leftist newspapers?

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We still remember, we who dwell
In this fair land beneath the well-
placed row of clear-cut hiding trees
The starlight on the Western seas.

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I've got nothing to say about this silly topic, just wanted to say welcome back to Menelmacar. I missed your posts. ^_^

4. Hmm... have you listened to any of Bush's speeches instead of just reading the highlights as printed in leftist newspapers?

Sadly, yes I have. He really needs to find better puppetmasters and speechwriters.

On the 'leftist newspapers' remark, for every 'leftist' newspaper, there are about 17,000 right-wing quasi-nazis like Rush Limbaugh crying about how they have no voice in the 'liberal' media. There isn't even a moderate alternative to all these Bush apologists. All major media toes the government line because it's easier to just read the press releases than do actual investigative journalism. Besides, if the media doesn't do what Karl Rove says, they get cut out of the loop. There is no liberal media; it died with the Fairness Doctrine.

Back on topic: The only difference between Gollum and Dubya is that Gollum is slightly better looking.

Hehehe, thanks, Kitsylvania... Godwin's Law strikes again... :mrgreen:

I'll respond anyway though. There are many leftist outlets in the media. One of the most notable is a little rag called the New York Times, perhaps you've heard of it. :) Television seems to lean fairly far left - Fox News is the only firmly conservative channel, CNN does a remarkable job at staying centrist, many of the others are fairly anti-Bush, anti-Israel, etc. As for 'cutting them out of the loop', frankly I can't really blame them. The press is free to report, yes, but the rest of us are free to talk to who we want to talk to, Bush and Co. included. I can't say I'd be leaping at the chance to talk to a paper I know will just disparage and belittle me or my administration. Would you?

As for Bush's speeches, yes, he makes the occasional verbal gaffe. But overall, he makes his points and he makes them well. His speech is down-to-earth and easy for the average American to relate to. He may not have Clinton's silver tongue but I don't really think that's such a bad thing either. No, he's not an idiot; he managed to get a hostile Congress to agree to a huge tax cut and war powers against Iraq, among other things. He got around the UNophile left by doing exactly what they wanted - working with the UN and still achieving his aims. And he managed to turn what many thought would be a hard-fought midterm into an absolute bloodbath. He's a very shrewd politician, and I have immense respect for the man.

Now, on another subject someone brought up: much ado has been made about nothing, specifically the 2000 election. News flash, Bush WON. Like it or not, the popular vote does not elect presidents, the electoral vote does. The electoral vote is made for the winner of each individual state. Say what you like about the American version of democracy, by all measures of both the letter and spirit of American law, Bush was the victor. It amuses me people still bring this up, however, given how mercilessly the Dems were CRUSHED this past November. :mrgreen:

Thanks, Motavia. :) I was away for a fam-damily Christmas. But now I'm back, and it's good to be here.

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Well, for one, Dubya didn't posess the One Ring of Power for centuries. What an interesting scenario that would make!!! :mrgreen:

Seriously, GWB may not go down in history as one of the US's most enlightened presidents, but there are certainly far worse choices for the most important elected office in the USA. And, as menelmacar rightly
observed, GWB was elected fairly according to the checks and balances deliberately put into effect by the founding fathers. Nuff said about that.

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GO LEFTIST MEDIA GO! :lol:

To quote ETC, the most left-winged magazine I know of.
"Like the story of Jesus chasing the moneylenders out of the temple. I know this is kinda hard for contemporary people to get their heads around, but Jesus used to hit people with a whip for being capitalist".

:lol: :lol: I love that quote! :lol: :lol:

Even media who are accused of being left-winged in the US, such as New York Times and CNN are HEAVILY leaned towards the right with Swedish (or Egyptian) standards. :shock:
Both my homelands (Egypt and Sweden) are both socialist nations, alhamdulilah! :D

All the great heroes of myth and history (except the military heroes).
Jesus, Robin Hood, Muhammed, Gandhi, etc. I could think of more. :wink:

To quote ETC, the most left-winged magazine I know of.
"Like the story of Jesus chasing the moneylenders out of the temple. I know this is kinda hard for contemporary people to get their heads around, but Jesus used to hit people with a whip for being capitalist".
Actually, that's a vast oversimplification and your friends at ETC have totally missed the point. He did it because they were lending money in the Temple, not just because they were lending money. Frankly, I wouldn't be too happy if a bank put up an ATM in my dad's front yard either. :) Seriously, if Jesus was some kind of communist, he'd be whipping people in the marketplaces, too. But lo and behold, he didn't.

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LOL - I was slightly concerned about Bush when he was first elected - it began to look for a short time like me might cave in to the left - but then he got his act together and everything seemed fine.

It's stuff like this that really vindicates my faith in Bush - if the worst his enemies can do is simply name call him then you know he's doing a really bang up job.

After all, if there was really something wrong with him, wouldn't those of you who seem to hate him so much be able to come up with real, concrete examples of his wrong doing like everyone could do with Clinton, Hillery and Gore? Wouldn't you have better critisisms of him than "he's dumb" or "he's Golem?"

If this is the best you guys can do, no wonder you got romped in the last election, no wonder that while you should have gained seats in the House and Senate, you actually lost enough seats to let the Republicans take control again. You are a group of people who have become so bereft of new ideas that when you're old, tired and worn out ideas prove totally and utterly useless, you're left flapping in the wind sounding like Beavis and Butthead.

Liberal #1 (said in Beavis' voice) George Bush is, like, stupid.

Liberal #2 (said in Butthead's voice) Yeah, stupid, hehehehe. Hey Kennedy, let's go raise some taxes or something.

Liberal #1 Yeah, that'd be kewl - huhuhuhuhuhuhuh.

He sounds like him.
He acts like him.
He smells like him.

Could be.

Yes but he looks more like Willem Dafoe then George W. Bush.

After all, if there was really something wrong with him, wouldn't those of you who seem to hate him so much be able to come up with real, concrete examples of his wrong doing? Wouldn't you have better critisisms of him than "he's dumb" or "he's Golem?"

Oh I have plenty of REAL criticisms, Pungent One. And if you are really interested in HEARING them -- instead of just trying to find some piece of equally pointless fluff you can use for ammunition to name-call and flame over for MY views on things for no better reason than that they differ from that of those who secretly wish they could control what everyone says, does, thinks and feels, while at the same time prating that they are for smaller government and bigger privacy, while at the same time putting into effect such intrusive snoop programs presumably in the name of counter-terrorism "security" as TIA -- I'd be happy to take the time and effort to share them with you. Even if you are too busy being jealous of well-preserved youth and hormones to know that Clinton, oval office frolics aside, was the best thing that happened to our economy since Ronnie Ray-Gun disenfranchised an entire generation out of their college educations in the early 1980s to finance his useless "star wars" program intended to shoot down all the nukes everyone got rid of on their own in the later 1980s, and Georgie Porgie Senior, facing such horrors as the falling of the Berlin Wall which threatened his eternal-cold-war POV on everything, had to manufacture an enemy the conservative fatcat twats in the USA had financed and set up as dictator in the first place ... whom Georgie Junior still feels honor-bound to finish what Daddy started but never completed, you know, we're all entitled to want to go after Osamaddam Bin-Hussein ... or was that Sadamma Huss-Laden? Anyway ... like I said, the list is massive where Shrubya is concerned. Beginning with being a bully-pulpitting sore winner (and no, do NOT be so braindead as to AssUMe my saying so means I necessarily wanted Gore to win; there are bigger issues here than bipartisan kak, OK?) who mysteriously did not want it absolutely verified beyond shadow of a doubt that he DID, in fact, win (compared to every other champion of anything throughout history who WELCOME such inquiries that it may be unquestionably established that theirs is the victory) ... moving through that to the hijacking of every GOOD and NOBLE pulling-together, helping-each-other sentiment and effort after 9/11 to brainwash the well-intentioned sheeple of this nation into accepting the curtailing of civil liberties, the ugliness of racial profiling, and the invasion and compromise of citizens' privacy all in the bogus name of a "security" that NO government, police or military, no matter how perfect and strong, can ever provide: an iron-clad guarantee against the molestations of war strikes, crime, terrorist acts, etc., and moving through that to smaller but no less important events, such as setting an ultimatum for Iraq on whether or not we will make war and then talking like we will still make war despite their compliance with OUR OWN freaking ultimatum ... and appointing some "wrong-wing" bible-thumping whacko to be in charge of important policymaking concerning women's health issues in the FDA (a guy whose "prescription" for women suffering from PMS -- a biochemical, medically documented syndrome accompanying the monthly onset of menses -- includes prayer and scripture reading ... excuse me??? ... and who refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women -- gee, let me guess, this braintrust is against abortion, too, right? So his "cure" for fornication is to foist the experience of being unplanned and unwanted upon some hapless, innocent infant ... real sharp cookie, yeah right ...) ... the list goes on ... you need more?

To the esteemed amabassador of Menelmacar:

(1) Gollum's foreign policy is the recovery of "the Precious", pure and simple. No if's, no and's, no but's. :wink:

(2) If Dubya is so hot on going after nations that sponsor terrorism, why doesn't he do something about Saudi Arabia, which is where 3/4 of the 9/11 hijackers came from, where most of Al Qaeda's funding comes from, and most importantly, which is the chief patron and exporter of the extreme Wahabi fundamentalism that promotes the hatred of the west in general and of the U.S. in particular and provides the motivating ideology for Al Qaeda?

(3) Our nation's founder was born and raised in the state where Dubya was governor and is very familiar with his background, his business dealings and his speeches. He is also very familiar with Cheney's background and business dealings. To put it in terms of the lingua franca of the state, "They're both as crooked as a dog's hind leg." :wink:

(4) The gentlemen in the temple that aroused Jesus' ire were not money-lenders. They were money-changers. Not the same thing at all. Get your facts straight.

One main difference, Gollum is much much smarter

Oh I have plenty of REAL criticisms, Pungent One

When we're in the mood to be politically correct, we prefer "aromatically challenged one." :)

And if you are really interested in HEARING them -- instead of just trying to find some piece of equally pointless fluff you can use for ammunition to name-call and flame over for MY views on things for no better reason than that they differ

Actually, this is the first input you've made on this topic - it would appear that you're the one trying to flame over the opinions of others. I am quite interested in hearing what you've got to say though - let's see what it is.

they differ from that of those who secretly wish they could control what everyone says, does, thinks and feels

I'm afraid that you're mistaken there - remember, political correctness was designed to stomp out right and center ideas, not left wing ideas such as your own.

while at the same time prating that they are for smaller government and bigger privacy

That part is correct - I do want less government in my public and private life.

while at the same time putting into effect such intrusive snoop programs presumably in the name of counter-terrorism "security" as TIA -- I'd be happy to take the time and effort to share them with you.

Doesn't sound familiar - enlighten us.

Even if you are too busy being jealous of well-preserved youth and hormones to know that Clinton, oval office frolics aside

Jealous - no - myself and my core of friends gave him cudos - we do hope that we can talk a college intern into doing stuff like that for us when we're his age. Remember, he wasn't impeached for tagging an intern, he was impeached for obstruction of justice, destroying evidence, lying under oath, purgery, witness tampering, abuse of power, etc. Not one line of the impeachment mentioned tagging an intern.

was the best thing that happened to our economy since Ronnie Ray-Gun disenfranchised an entire generation out of their college educations in the early 1980s to finance his useless "star wars" program intended to shoot down all the nukes everyone got rid of on their own in the later 1980s

Actually, Clinton was the worse thing that happened to the economy - the economy was on an upswing from the 80s and kept momentum until all the crap Clinton was up to finally caught up with it - the economy started it's downswing in Clinton's last two years of office.

As for Star Wars - apparently you hadn't heard - Star Wars was designed to force the Soviet Union to go bankrupt trying to match us in spending - actual cost was only a few billion dollers. Those folks whom you said gave up thier nukes didn't give them up on thier own - they were a defeated and bankrupt nation which didn't have any need for them once they weren't the badguy superpower anymore.

We're going to have to skip some because it get's rather ramblish and the lack of paragraph breaks is making this hard to follow - let's skip to the rehash that Bush didn't win the election.

who mysteriously did not want it absolutely verified beyond shadow of a doubt that he DID, in fact, win (compared to every other champion of anything throughout history who WELCOME such inquiries that it may be unquestionably established that theirs is the victory)

If you recall, after the recounts were officially ended, the left wing newspapers went ahead and recounted anyway - end result was still that Bush won. I know you're frustrated after having somehow managed to get Clinton in there for two terms, but life goes on - deal with it.

[qoute]moving through that to the hijacking of every GOOD and NOBLE pulling-together, helping-each-other sentiment and effort after 9/11[/quote]

Yes, the way the left tried to exploit 9/11 was horrible - the calls for gun control even though no guns were used, the lies that gun shows are arming terrorists, the additional lies that 50 cal rifles need to be banned even though a 50 cal rifle has never been used to commit a crime in all of US history. The calls for all kinds of violations and restricitions of US citizens rights and freedoms by the left - really horrible - I don't know how you can even look yourself in the mirror knowing you supported these people who are exploiting the deaths of thousands for thier own political gain - tisk, tisk.

the ugliness of racial profiling,

Let's see, all of the terrorists involved were from the middle east, so in order to stop a bunch of middle eastern terrorists we must hassle my black friend, my white mother, the young asian college student and the hispanic guy here to pick up his girlfriend.

That's the problem with you liberals - you don't want to fix the problem, you just want to make sure that EVERYONE suffers from it - that's BS! We have to assume that the 80 year old white woman isn't a suicide bomber out to crash a jet plane into Bill Clinton's new brothel in Nevada, we have to assume that the middle eastern man who snuck into the country with a bogus passport might be. That's reality.

and moving through that to smaller but no less important events, such as setting an ultimatum for Iraq on whether or not we will make war and then talking like we will still make war despite their compliance with OUR OWN freaking ultimatum ...

Yes, they have totally and utterly complide - Sadam has never told a lie, he doesn't have a bunch of NBC produced or in production which he hasn't told us about - he is the epitome of honesty and virtue.

and appointing some "wrong-wing" bible-thumping whacko to be in charge of important policymaking concerning women's health issues in the FDA (a guy whose "prescription" for women suffering from PMS -- a biochemical, medically documented syndrome accompanying the monthly onset of menses -- includes prayer and scripture reading ... excuse me??? ... and who refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women -- gee, let me guess, this braintrust is against abortion, too, right? So his "cure" for fornication is to foist the experience of being unplanned and unwanted upon some hapless, innocent infant ... real sharp cookie, yeah right ...)

Well, atleast he hasn't sent machine gun toting thugs to kidnap any small children so that he can ship them off to a communist country - either that or burning them alive - I recall a Clinton appointy who had a thing for that?

the list goes on ... you need more?

Yes, but with breaks in the thoughts, seperate paragraphs and a little less frantic and incoherent - except for the FDA yahoo, you really don't have a leg to stand on in your argument - half your arguement for why you hate George Bush is that you hate Ronald Reagan and Gearge Bush Sr. Does that mean that I can hate Clinton because I didn't like JFK's policies? :)

Calm down, breath, relax - your party is regrouping, it's now got itself a new, female leader in Congress who's views are further to the left than the new communist dictator of China and while most folks think that 2004 is a write off for you guys for the presidency, everyone knows that the smartest, bestest, greatest woman in the world will step up to the plate to save the day in 2008 - Hillery Clinton! With the ghost of Mrs Roosevelt as her VP. ;)