NationStates Jolt Archive

By popular demand here is the OOC thread.

Yay!!!

*parties*

But who is currently occupying the square?

Fadi al Badr controls all around the ports and a large section of the city. He is also the strongest warlord but he has no foreign allies either.

I'd just like to ask that the capabilities of an experienced militia not be underestimated. It's more fun if you treat them realisticly.

Yes, it is. Maybe they could use Migs?

Well they could have a couple I suppose. What I think he means is don't say you launch an attack and don't suffer any casualties, or that you ambush the crowd and kill everyone without taking any casualties. Look at the US in Iraq. Sure we have the best army in the world but we've taken a lot of casualties.

I would put my dead somewere around 100.

Is it ok that I created "The Legion of God"? I thought it be realisitic to have some super extremist religious group out to get me

How does 200 dead through this whole "get the square" mission sound?

were is the ICC thread? I have lost track of it

The IC thread is at : http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10518270#post10518270

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Stats:
Air-Cav

Battalion - 752 infantry; 188 pilots; 376 maintenance personel; (94 Hind-K transports) (3 Companies, 1 Company[Med.] 1 Troop[Comms.])

Air-Support

Company - 384 Hind-I's; 1,008 Pilots; 3,072 Maintenance (also act as door gunners) (4 Squadrons)

Hind-K transport stats:

Weight Empty: 18,200lbs.

Max. Take-off capacity: 31,000lbs.

Capacity for eight troops/ four stretchers, or assorted gear.

Max Speed: 280 mph

Combat range: 300 nautical miles

Ceiling: 15,200

Weapons:

1 x .54 caliber (13.7 x 110mm) machinegun, mounted on an automated swivle below the cockpit

4 x 60mm rocket pods

4 x "Rabbit Punch" guided anti armor rockets (wire guided or laser)

Hind-I Gunship stats:

Weight Empty: 21,00lbs.

Max. Take-off capacity: 31,000lbs.

Max Speed: 230 mph

Combat range: 300 nautical miles

Ceiling: 15,200

Weapons:

2 x .54 caliber (13.7 x 110mm) machineguns, one on each side of the gunship ('door guns'. Each manned by a machinegunner)

1 x 37mm multi-barrel auto cannon. 450 rounds of ammunition, fireing pattern: AP, HE, Inc.

4 x 60mm rocket pods

4 x "Rabbit Punch" guided anti armor rockets (wire guided or laser)

It's ok that you created the "Legion of God," even though there are already two religious warlords and one is way extremist.

And Carthago Deuce, were you the one who TGed me asking to have a blackhawk down-like scenario? Now seems like the time.

That I was, and that's what I'm going for.

I know this is kinda stupid, but what exactly are these 'technicals' driving around?

A technical is an armored pickup truck with a machine-gun or rocket launcher mounted in the back.

And Fadi al Badr and Diya al Din have now allied against all foreigners. That is bad for you because Fadi is already the strongest warlord and Diya has sway over much of the population that doesn't follow a specific warlord. Therefore he can either preach propoganda or send them to bomb you.

I suggest we all (all of the foriegn powers) ally and take the country.

here are my airships:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471750

Sorry Bloodbank, but the civilians aren't harmless. You just pissed them off, and now you've woken the hornet's nest.

Why are people calling in artillery strikes in the city?

Sorry I didn't post a reply yesterday, will have one this afternoon.

i'm calling in the stikes becase i was beening attacked and had to fall back and regroup at my base

Arty? That would have a huge number of civilian deaths you realize… Though you were taking them as slaves so… meh.


After this conflict drags out for a little more time IC my government might seek some form of agreement with you other foreign powers, but my feudal style constitutional monarchy might not agree with your political aims. The agreement would probably be a pact to limit civilian deaths, agree not to turn this into an imperial action (tempting though it may be), and reject some of the warlords out right. While there will be disagreement on who should be in charge we can make alliances against the ones we mutually distrust.

Really I have not thought it all out but later when I propose it icly we can work through the kinks. As an aside once intel gets back to me about what you are doing, taking slaves, I might get pissed icly. Until I get established on the ground and hear it through the grape vine, or you do it again and a recon drone of mine is around, your pretty free and clear from my criticism.

As an aside are Carthago Deuce and I the only ones seeking limited civilian death tolls? I wanted to play my monarchy as a bit crass on human life, hence the siege on the docks, but by the end of this its going to look like the Carthagians are saints and healers, the Otariets are friendly liberators, and the rest of you are monsters. Don’t get me wrong I make no assumptions about you as people but reading this I as a person cringe sometimes. Bah perhaps I spend too much empathy on these fiction people.

in Rustie HQ;
commander: They're taking Slaves!?
"aye sir"
"that is distateful, mobilize the recon"

Heh.

This would be the ooc thread, short for out of character. This thread allows us to converse as one player to another player without the premise of the role-playing aspect. In this thread no one is mobilizing or any other character action. Here it is just talk about that is going on in the other thread.

The other thread is the ic thread, short for in character. This thread sees the action and it is there that we mobilize our forces or do any other number of in character actions. Character dialogue about mobilizing forces included.

As a final note to you The rusties I do believe the OP, short for original poster, has determined that the IC thread has become too full. If you are looking to join here is the place to ask but I am not sure he would appreciate you just jumping in. It may seem odd to ask someone to war against/with them but it speaks to the non-competitive nature of this game. Remember, no one can ever win and we are all here to have fun.

I hope this did not sound condescending this was an honest bit of information offered up in the hopes of helping you, a newer player, acclimatize more rapidly with less friction.

Don’t take offence to this guys I just feel like walking tall for a bit (though CD gets more bragging rights than I do) :D Not everyone is included but these seem to be the most active foreigners.

GDP in order of supremacy
55,877,422,135,498.61 Carthago Deuce
35,887,404,117,600.00 Otares
1,986,656,476,780.27 Franberry
1,845,332,767,169.79 Pythogria
260,386,657,736.86 Bloodbank
143,719,347,563.76 Nakanaori


Defense spending in order of supremacy
8,937,255,525,035.13 Carthago Deuce
6,755,238,997,920.00 Otares
323,818,292,851.20 Franberry
115,220,905,076.66 Pythogria
57,470,587,084.80 Bloodbank
11,157,111,745.92 Nakanaori

I find this interesting because based on these numbers and some of the troop commitments this is a very concerted effort for some of you.

BTW Carthago I like the idea of domestic terrorists in your own country. (Nice touch considering your size and that despite your very realistic losses there is no way this will be lost for you, tactically speaking of course.) I would consider something similar on my own country but if you remember from the RP I started (which died and has now been resurrected on the other board) my country is pretty much a police state right now.

To the rest of you, I realize that this may be only because CD put a nice little summary post up but on behalf of SAD remember to keep your losses accurate; i.e. high. I think the point of this little RP was to be an urban quagmire and while I can appreciate that we all posses military technology that makes these resistors look like cave men guerrilla style warfare is messy and effective. In a simple landing, of which I have only RPed out minutes of, I have lost both infantry and a helicopter. And trust me more will be lost by the time I seize the docks.

On that note, SAD; I am assaulting the docks but I hope to limit the combat to that area. My troops are trying to be as surgical as possible. I want to seize the remainder of the dock and go no further. My troops will not engage unless engaged and the officers have all been briefed on the politically sensitive nature of this operation. If you could offer up a bit more description of the docks/warehouse district I would appreciate that too. I just want to get an idea of the lay out of the city a bit better in my mind. I am going to want to secure a decent chunk of the city expanding out from that area later, but I do not want a terror den within my perimeter. More importantly I don’t want to step on your toes. If there is anything I should be aware of oocly to preserve you story let me know.

(Also I don’t plan on making advances into the city like some of the other foreign powers. Once I have my base I plan on working in much smaller increments. Squads, patrols, and what have you. Once I have the base established I am going to seek ties with the local factions.)

Ya I'm trying to keep losses high though exact numbers would be hard to find considering my people don't care if they lose anyone. Also I'm using a lot of suicide bombers which as you know is a suicide so there goes one guy with every explosion. I'll try to fit into my RPs how the warlords are losing power and you will begin to notice the attacks becoming smaller and more concentrated. Also a bit more desperate.

In the meantime I have 30 posts to read through before I make another reply.

Actually I have no complaint with your losses. I was referring to the other foreign powers. Just reminding them that this is suppose to be bloody for us too.

Hey, Otares, think you could direct me to the resurected thread?

Sure but please note, it will be a very slow going thread. I am not going to let this one die but the reason I put it on the NS boards is because it will be slow compared to I.I. Beyond that I want to take a fair bit of time crafting my posts for this new incarnation.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471333

No problem.

ooc: can anyone get involved?

Here is Franberry and the war:

Morale(at home):high
Morale (troops): Slightly above normal
Dead: 103
Wounded: 1302
Missing: 18
Captured (does not include does rescued): 0
Current troops in SAD: 300,000
Army: 220,000 (1,000 Kronos MBT's, 15,000 Kramer IFV, numerous trucks, jeeps ect)
Air Force: 20,000 (200 aircraft)
Navy: 60,000 (1 Columbo-class aircraft carrier, 2 VTOL carriers, 4 amphibious landing ships, 12 destroyers)

(i have low casualties because just now I have started to fight inside an urban area, could everyone else please post something like this? It would help a lot)

ooc: can anyone get involved?
Its closed now, right?

Yes. I like the number we have now.

I wish someone would support Diya al Din. I've always wanted to RP a theocracy.

You could always have him and his followers see that they'd get their asses handed to them if they stay active, and go underground 'til the foreigners leave. . .

could people please post reports of their situation? it woudl greatly help
such as the one i did.



Morale(at home):high
Morale (troops): Slightly above normal
Dead: 111
Wounded: 1307
Missing: 18
Captured (does not include does rescued): 0
Current troops in SAD: 300,000
Army: 220,000 (1,000 Kronos MBT's, 15,000 Kramer IFV, numerous trucks, jeeps ect)
Air Force: 20,000 (200 aircraft)
Navy: 60,000 (1 Columbo-class aircraft carrier, 2 VTOL carriers, 4 amphibious landing ships, 12 destroyers)

Nice guerrilla tactic SAD. That will probably toss the comand structure into chaos for a while; I cannot proclaim his losses that little move is going to stop operations in the area around ‘Everson’s house’ for awhile anyway.

Nice guerrilla tactic SAD. That will probably toss the comand structure into chaos for a while; I cannot proclaim his losses that little move is going to stop operations in the area around ‘Everson’s house’ for awhile anyway.

BTW, you play Command and Conquer Generals don’t you :P

Nice guerrilla tactic SAD. That will probably toss the comand structure into chaos for a while; I cannot proclaim his losses that little move is going to stop operations in the area around ‘Everson’s house’ for awhile anyway.

I hate his gurrrila warfare, I wish i could just carpet bomb the city, but I wont, that would be a PR nightmare.

Think of the innocent civilians.:rolleyes:

I thought you wanted to end the killing and bring a stable government to power.

Well if it is any consolation you are using more aggressive tactics than I would dream of; besides turning tank's weapons onto civilian buildings? It would look terrible on the five o’clock news. Lucky for you you’re a dictatorship of sorts. Otherwise your own population back at home would be in an uproar.

As for carpet bombing the city? Knock yourself out. Just remember my fleets and any areas under my control are no fly zones.

Though I can’t guarantee my IC reaction will be as permissive if you simply open up on the city. :P

May I ask what your objectives are in this scenario? I ask only because lack of a clear objective causes a lot of deaths in war. All I have seen either you or Pythogria do is assault the city. I am still unclear as to your objectives. Though it would be a bit of the pot calling the kettle black because I have not announced mine either. Just curious. I think the only one who has been reasonably upfront about his objectives is Carthago Deuce.

I'm trying to stabilize the situation, until i got into the city, evrything was going fine. The area to the west of the city is patrolled by my troops, and there is very little fighting there. The area around my CPFs and the airfield is completely peaceful, its only the urban area thats giving me problems, and the occassional suicide bomb.

Stabilize? How so? I don’t mean to sound critical I am only asking so that I can try to shape your plan in your own mind. While the Everson’s house scenario is fun to read and an interesting dramatic piece what is its overall tactical/strategic significance?

Oh and SAD since I am going to be helping with CD’s mess (jk) I would appreciate a little bit of a description of Fadi al Badr’s old territory.
-Is it in complete disarray?
-How many ‘civilians’ are in the area?
-Are the other warlords making a move already (noting that it has not been long since his death)?
-Will his faction merely piece meal defect or join another faction en masse?
-What type of buildings are in the area?
-How large an area is it?

Sorry for so many questions. I would just like some idea of what I am getting myself into.

No problem. Basically, the North side of the city faces the bay with the ports and all that. Fadi al Badr controlled the ports (which have been taken) and a large piece of the city southwest of the ports. It's pretty much complete anarchy. Looting, rape, murder, and no authority figure to step in. Most of his surviving militia have joined Diya al Din's army but some are starting black market operations and arms dealing.

Civilian population is mostly lower-class people in crowded apartments. You should be dealing with a couple thousand armed civilians and the rest shouldn't bother you unless you upset them. Watch out for suicide bombs, because most people are lower class there they don't have much to live for.

Other warlords are sort of encroaching on his old territory, but fearful to take complete control because they will lose men and they know you will take it from them.

And I sort of answered your other questions in the previous paragraphs. If you need to knwo anything else just ask.

Stabilize? How so? I don’t mean to sound critical I am only asking so that I can try to shape your plan in your own mind. While the Everson’s house scenario is fun to read and an interesting dramatic piece what is its overall tactical/strategic significance?


Well first we want them to stop shooting each other, and then we cna let the locals run their own elections, which will be kept peaceful by police. We will aslo train some of the locals to form their own standard units.

The whole Everson's house scenario dosen't have that much of strategic impact, but a large tactical one. It was the Franberrian spearhead that had advanced the most into the city, clearly, too far, and then they got cut off. We now have relative control of the city (our areas) although random militia attacks are still the norm.

Actually, we're going to take that whole section of the city.

Actually, we're going to take that whole section of the city.
Well DUH

observations about others ignorance aside, you think the locals would get pissy if they were put in tent camps?

Umm... yes...

I'm bringing a housing ship (or rather, a fleet of them) soon, though.

Lol are either of you familiar with the strategic hamlet program in Vietnam? Don’t worry they will be very happy people and it will provide immeasurable security for your people :P

I’m sorry that was prickish of me. Relocating people = pissed off people every time.

They won't try anything funny around my soldiers.

Yeah, if anyone tries anything funny off to detention camp they go.

Does "funny stuff" include suicide bombing your soldiers?

No, all the people coming on my ships will have all arms confinscated.

Well, if they do it from within the camp, yes. If they do it from outside, probably not.

Guns are these people's most valuable possessions. It will be like taking a baby from it's mother, or a mother from their baby. I forget which makes more sense. Anyway shoe bombs are not uncommon. You should take their shoes too. And hats.

Guns are these people's most valuable possessions. It will be like taking a baby from it's mother, or a mother from their baby. I forget which makes more sense. Anyway shoe bombs are not uncommon. You should take their shoes too. And hats.

I think they shall like their goverment-aproved rags, with "Property of Franberry" stamped on them, for the clothes you see, not the people

That will go over well.:rolleyes:

Sorry this is other account. I wish it was easier to switch which account your logged in as.

And what happens when the resentful peoples organize themselves, overpower your soldiers, and take over a ship/camp or two with improvised weapons (like their bare hands)?

First--

Those guns? No ammo.

Second-- No, that won't go over well.

Third--

Ther's no way they'll take a ship. even with two citizens to one soldier, I have assualt rifles, and tear gas.

When they overpower the soldiers, they'd TAKE the assult-rifles and tear-gas.

IF they overpoer them. IF THEY TRY THEY WILL BE SHOT! Not to mention, did I tell you I could sink them if they did anyway?

Right I am utterly and totally confused now.

Have we just jumped three in character days where the Carthagan reinforcements arrived as well as the Pythogrian advance being successful?

I thought after securing the ports I was closest to Fadi al Badr’s old territory. How was I out flanked by the Pythogrian army who has no active supply route?

Am I toiling in obscurity? My posts too long for anyone to know or care what I am doing?

I though Everson’s house was in a different part of the city?

Where is your country approximately? Why does everyone have such short supply lines to their mother country? Should my planes not take so long?

Am I simply slow? Should I just cut the flavor text and declare my objectives and losses?

SAD what is the general reaction or mood of the people I am encountering?

Other foreigners, what section of the city are you working in?

Holy crap guys my brain hurts.

Here is what I thought was going on:

http://www.geocities.com/semi_equal_1984/Thtremap.GIF

Carthago Deuce and I had the docks. I more than him but he more functional ones than I. The ‘x’ are engagements or plot points. For example the brown ‘x’ is Everson’s house, while the blue one is where Carthago Deuce assassinated the warlord.

Am I really off?

Oh and the reason for so much brown is because of the control Franberry has outside city limits. I did include a black line there, but basically he was mid advance in my mind. (Also the reason the advance to Everson’s house has two lines; the first advance, which was cut off, then the reinforcements.)

nice map man, but my area streches further off than that, but if u wanted to include it, it would really srink the city. SO its all good

plus, if the prisioners somehow overpowered the guards, and the IFV, and the MBTs, i'd like to see them go up against Strike-planes and helis

The OOC reason for my forces taking such a short time to arrive is because my hands are mostly tied until they did. IC lets just say they were diverted from a Forward Deployed Infantry Division which happened to be near by.
.

I think SAD said that the port was in the Northern part of the city.

yeah, just flip the image, it shoudl be all good

All right I have rotated it 270 degrees and it is starting to make a little more sense. So basically the old warlord’s territory is pincered between Frannberry and I.

Is this appropriate? This makes sense to everyone?

SAD if you could give me a gist of where the territory lines are on that map I would appreciate it. (or tell me the map is crap, either way.) So my coastal landing of tanks would be right in the old warlord’s territory then? Bitchin.

http://www.geocities.com/semi_equal_1984/Thtremap.GIF

very nice

Map seems a bit small, but if you ignore scale it's fine. Anyway, that whole area north and west of what Pythogria holds is in anarchy. (former territories of Fadi al Badr). The whole center area is more of Diya al Din's turf, though he is no longer in the city himself. He still has a lot of support though. Zakwan ibn Khulus controls the east and is beginning to move westward into what Diya al Din controls. Rashad Muntasir had what is occupied around near Franberry and now just operates small-scale terrorist attacks. Waqqas ibn Yazid and Khair al Din are just sort of there with no power at all. They pretty much do terrorism.

Oh and Pythogria, before I reply to your housing ships I need to know if relocating to the ships is mandatory and what sections of the city you're relocating.

I have the suspicion that the ciggarettes are going to somehow be responsible for some sort of explosion or something.

Oh and Pythogria, before I reply to your housing ships I need to know if relocating to the ships is mandatory and what sections of the city you're relocating.

I'm relocating all of the parts of the city I can. Also, relocating isn't mandatory, but id highly encouraged and if they don't, we cannot guarantee their safety against enemy attacks.

Hey, Otares, which one of those prongs is the one attacking the towers?

Stupid Jolt ate my post from yesterday…

http://www.geocities.com/semi_equal_1984/Thtremap2.GIF

I have redone the map. The scale issue has been attended to, I hope.

CD the small red X near where I hold the docks are the tower attacks. The larger prongs are amphibious assaults and the small prong east of the docks is my tank brigade.

I will make a post with me unloading a large section of tanks and making an immediate push into the area where your small blue X is (the location of the assassination).

Actually guys Carthago Deuce has accused you of nothing. He’s merely sent a runner to my naval task force to talk to me about you guys. You have no IC knowledge of that. Sorry but if you would scrap that post. (If you do not know the difference between IC and out of character knowledge I can explain. I do not mean this pejoratively, I mean this sincerely I will explain it.)

http://www.geocities.com/semi_equal_1984/Thtremap3.GIF

Umm Pythogria what happened to your nation. Your defense budget is halved and you’ve become a developing nation? Should we be looking for some strains on your nation to be able to maintain this overseas commitment? With your economy where it is and the number of troops you are putting overseas you might almost have to be on wartime production to swing this.

I only ask as I like to occasionally run some numbers and yours have changed, drastically.

It's because of various reforms (like removing cars.) It should be up again soon (I'm getting a monorail system shortly.) As for strains... hack yes. And I'm on wartime production, but I should be able to handle it.

http://www.geocities.com/semi_equal_1984/Thtremap4.GIF

Expansions all around. Yes I did expand more, and yes I have more troops commited. We really need to have that peace treaty and soon.

SAD There are distributions centres popping up all over the place in my territory. All the amenities one might need, as well as food, and all they need to do is fill out a census form.

OOC: So from that map the unclaimed land is mostly Zakwan ibn Khulus.

And I'd prefer having Carthage make the first IC post about the peace conference starting. It was his idea so he can set it up.

Sure.

And SAD the areas under my control are still open for terror attacks. The only things that are 100% secure are the airfield that I built and the docks. My areas just have a lot of troops filtered about. Snipers, sand bagged positions, fortified buildings et cetera. More importantly, I think, my soldiers are going about and taking complaints from the citizens. Infrastructure needs, security concerns, what they think their government should be et cetera. I am basically trying to build a statistical database of your people. The fact of the matter is that I know very little about them and now I am administering to a lot of them. So I am asking a lot of questions.

Whoa, this thread still exists? I completely lost it

http://www.geocities.com/semi_equal_1984/Develp.GIF

don't forget the movement of your troops during the gas bombing on the map.

It helps to bookmark. :p

Anyway I guess I haven't talked about a currency previous to the fighting. Let's just say people barter so that a currency would be needed.

I just figured that a credit existed, hence you world page. I just created a new one so I can try and put your people back on track economically. I have no idea who has how much of the old currency.

This is the code guys, FYI:

WE,THEALLIEDSTATESOFNAKANAORI,WILLNOTBEATTENNINGTHEPEACETALKSDUETOUNEASINESSWITHOTHERFOREIGNPOWERS."

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/daretorun/Thtremap5.gif

So, I've updated the map. I've added the river that runs through the city. It is currently dried up. I've added two major ships that I know the locations of. Sorry to everyone else, i don't know where your ships are. :D if you want to tell me the official name of the ships and their approximate locations, that'd be cool. thanks!

. ...- . .-. -.-- --- -. . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / --. . - / .--- .. --. --. -.-- / .-- .. - .... / - .... . .. .-. / -... .- -.. / ... . .-.. ...- . ... .-.-.- / .-.. . - / ... / - .... .-. --- ..- --. .... / .- / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . / .--. .- .-. - -.-- / .... .- .-. -.. -.-- / -... --- -.-- ... / -.-- . .- ....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/daretorun/Thtremap5.gif

So, I've updated the map. I've added the river that runs through the city. It is currently dried up. I've added two major ships that I know the locations of. Sorry to everyone else, i don't know where your ships are. :D if you want to tell me the official name of the ships and their approximate locations, that'd be cool. thanks!
Mine would be outside the map. We control large areas of the countryside.

to Otares,

that is completely random. hardy boys???

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/daretorun/Thtremap5.gif

So, I've updated the map. I've added the river that runs through the city. It is currently dried up. I've added two major ships that I know the locations of. Sorry to everyone else, i don't know where your ships are. :D if you want to tell me the official name of the ships and their approximate locations, that'd be cool. thanks!

Well, my base position is good. We'll soon command across that river!

to Otares,

that is completely random. hardy boys???

Drunken ramble of sorts. No there is no sense to it sorry :D

lol. stop smoking crack. lol.

(OOC: SAD I realize that you are doing the conference but you could continue RPing out the interactions that are occurring in the territory I control. If you have time that is. I just figured since they are occurring while the conference is going on.)

New MAP with the Pythogrian territories cross hatched with Otariet territories.http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/daretorun/Thtremap6.gif