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Doujin Naval Forces are currently 500 nautical miles off the coast of Yasmarea. 3 Assault Fleets and the Main Fleet, also including 7 Battlefleets are moving in to strike at Fluffywuffy forces. If Ilek-Vaad tries to intervene in Doujin affairs, we will open fire on Ilek-Vaadian forces as well. While Doujin has left UnAPS, we will still honour our agreement to defend the sovereignty of the nations in it. The brunt of Doujin naval forces will be moving their way from Yasmarea to the southern coast of Allanea, to free Hattian ships from blockade by Phyrric. Doujin's alliance with Freethinkers and Scandavian States supercedes all alliances Doujin is currently in. Both these nations are involved in this conflict, and it is only right that we help our allies.

Emperor Miller,
Empire of Doujin

OOC: Ok, need to numberwank now. Time to post mah ship numbres (I like that word, don't know what people mean by it though :P)

Main Fleet
1 Doujin Class Flagship
1 Lunar Class Aircraft Carrier
2 Infusion Class Aircraft Carrier
4 Thunder Child Class Mk. 2 Refit Battleships
3 Mackensen Class Battleships
5 Warspite Class SSGN
15 Astron Class SSN(Fast Attack Sub)
10 Tigershark Class AOE
5 River CLass AOE
5 Clan Grant Class AOE
10 Norasia Class AOE
10 Centaur Class DDG
10 Meteora Class DDG
10 Thatcher Class DDG
5 Africa Class Minesweeper/layer
5 Saviour Class Medical Ship

Assault Fleets #1 and #2
2 Leviathon Class
4 Thunder Child Class Mk. 2 Refit Battleships
2 Lunar Class Aircraft Carrier
4 Infusion Class Aircraft Carrier
6 Mackensen Class Battleships
10 Warspite Class SSGN
30 Astron Class SSN(Fast Attack Sub)
20 Tigershark Class AOE
10 River CLass AOE
10 Clan Grant Class AOE
20 Norasia Class AOE
20 Centaur Class DDG
20 Meteora Class DDG
20 Thatcher Class DDG
10 Africa Class Minesweeper/layer
10 Saviour Class Medical Ship

Hrafn Warband - Assault Fleet #4
1 Doujin Class (Construction)
2 Leviathon Class
3 Thunder Child Class Mk.2 Refit
1 Lunar Class Aircraft Carrier
2 Infusion Class Aircraft Carrier
5 Warspite Class SSGN
15 Astron Class SSN
10 Tigershark Class AOE
5 River Class AOE
5 Clan Grant Class AOE
10 Norasia Class AOE
15 Centaur Class Build 2 (Modified) DDG
10 Meteora Class DDG
10 Mackensen Class Battleships
5 Africa Class Minesweeper/layer
5 Saviour Class Medical Ships

Standard Battlefleet Numbers
7 Lunar Class Stealth Aircraft Carrier
7 Thunder Child Class Mk.2 Refit Battleship
35 Thatcher Class Destroyers
21 Centaur Class Destroyers
14 Meteora Class Destroyers
35 Astron Class Fast Attack Submarines
35 Clan Grant Auxilaries
7 Saviour Class Medical Ship
14 Oakleaf Class Assault ships.

If you attempt to move in via the South then you will face Yallaks Imperial fleet as well as those you mean to attack.

Doujin is not affraid of Yallaks Imperial fleet

Not yet anyway! :)

Not ever. If needed, we could call on an additional large number of ships.

Emperor Maxwell Miller, Admiral in Chief
Empire of Doujin

OOC: Doujin, thank god you saw sense at last :D Time to see what a fleet actually designed for NS combat can do :)

[TAG]ged.

OOC: Now Jim, my boy, do you really think that I am a "muahahah" evil person?

OOC: I will keep that answer underwraps until you've restored allied naval superiority in the area.

OOC: lmao :P

<<OOC:[Tagged...] Jolly good of you to see the light, comrade Doujin.>>

Huzzah!

Thanks Doujin, I won't forget this.

[The power of the southern fleets is at your call, Doujin. Just say the word and they will render assistance.]

OOC: I would like to know the fleet numbers of Phyrric, Fluffywuffy, Ilek-Vaad, and Yallak. Don't know where to look exactly, and don't have a large amount of time.

OOC: Bumps are fun.

[tag] this should be very interesting. a Conga-line. I wonder who's going to come in on Doujin, now, thus restoring numerical parity...

Admiral Itzchoitl hails the Doujin fleet

"We are currently engaging the Fluffywuffy fleet ourselves. We are making good headway against them.. If Doujin's forces do show up and attack Fluffywuffy we will do nothing to stop that, nor will we get in Doujin's way. I believe that the Minister of Foreign Affairs may have contacted Doujin in the past about the possibility of helping in endingh the fighting in Haven. We will not turn down help when it prsents itself"

He then turns to his Captain "Keep a close eye on the Doujin fleet, I don't particularly trust them so let's keep an eye on them. They are after all allied to Phyrrus and Fluffywuffy is here at Phyrrhus' request."

They then continue what it is they were doing.

OOC:

Link to the Yasmaran conflict:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141438&highlight=

OOC: Until Doujin left the war for a short time, UnAPS has superior naval forces. And now that I am re-entering the war, there is numerical superiority, and quality superiority in my ships. Most people claim 1,700 ship Navy's, yes. But they do so using RL ships. My ships are designed for the NS world, and thus can beat RL ships 10 times over.

OOC: Correction, I am allied with the nations in Concordia, the Organization of Maritime Powers, Scandavian States, and The Freethinkers (insert other nation here that I forgot). Allanea, Phyrric, Fluffy, or any other nation is not formally allied to me.

OOC: My Revenge battleships are almost the size and power of yours, almost.

OOC: Until Doujin left the war for a short time, UnAPS has superior naval forces. And now that I am re-entering the war, there is numerical superiority, and quality superiority in my ships. Most people claim 1,700 ship Navy's, yes. But they do so using RL ships. My ships are designed for the NS world, and thus can beat RL ships 10 times over.

Mmmh... (checks Doujin's storefront), yep. technologically superior. I wouldn't say necessarily better, just more advanced, with a bit more "Slop" in what you can get away with, since they're purely fictional (and in a few cases, "Science Fictional") designs.

OOC: Until Doujin left the war for a short time, UnAPS has superior naval forces. And now that I am re-entering the war, there is numerical superiority, and quality superiority in my ships. Most people claim 1,700 ship Navy's, yes. But they do so using RL ships. My ships are designed for the NS world, and thus can beat RL ships 10 times over.

[ooc]
gee, I knew I was different-I actually claim a navy my budget can support! (550 ships, mostly older designs with a few upgrades).
So... how much overlap in your fire-controls? must play hell coordinating that many vessels in such a small area...

That link is to the Operation Thunderbolt

OOC: yes, that's it. That is Fluffwuffy's codename for his assault on Yasmara.

**DP***

***danged forum****

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**BLAST!**

OOC: Until Doujin left the war for a short time, UnAPS has superior naval forces. And now that I am re-entering the war, there is numerical superiority, and quality superiority in my ships. Most people claim 1,700 ship Navy's, yes. But they do so using RL ships. My ships are designed for the NS world, and thus can beat RL ships 10 times over.

[ooc]
gee, I knew I was different-I actually claim a navy my budget can support! (550 ships, mostly older designs with a few upgrades).
So... how much overlap in your fire-controls? must play hell coordinating that many vessels in such a small area...

The Doujin has the ability to take control over fire-control systems of the Doujin ships, and has enough processing power to handle controling them all.

And, not really - the nations with these 1,700 ships can.. unfortunatly, afford those ships. Many people spend half a trillion on the Navy. Doujin itself spends it's entire Military Budget on the Navy as it is a sole Naval nation (Army and Air Force are sub-divisions of the Navy). It is our hope we need not use these instruments of war, but we have shown and are currently giving people assurance that we will use them should the time come.

OOC: Welcome back, Comrade Doujin! Time to bring this war to a close :).

OOC: A simple "meh" will suffice here.

As a member of the Organization of Maritime Powers, President Zwimbala of Pacific Northwesteria deems it necessary to support Doujin and his allies in this matter. Pacific Northwesteria believes that all will be better off (no ships destroyed, no souls lost) if this comes to a peaceful resolution. However, as a show of support, we send the following armada:

4 Mackensen Class Battleships
6 Thunder Child Class Battleships
25 Orion Class
35 Defiance Class Frigates
15 Skjold Class
4 Infusion Class carrier
2 Lunar Class carriers
310 MiG-29 Fulcrum (naval) carrier fighters
210 Su-33 fighter-bombers (naval)
100 F-109D fighters
20 Sea Hawk gun ships
10 Sea Wolf Class Subs

With the following air support:

30 DD-1 A high-altitude heavy bombers
4 DD-1 B high-altitude recon planes
45 B-2 Spirit heavy stealth bombers

Long live the OMP!

Ilham, Nukes are "Bad". Find an in-character excuse, but don't use 'em-it just riles this crowd up, and watching a whole region plus two alliances dogpile someone isn't much fun-these guys conspired to backstab Phyrric for using 'em, and he was on their side when he did.


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With the cease-fire negotiated, there may be no need for escorts. We appreciate the help, though-things were looking pretty dangerous...

OOC:as i have constantly stated Kowloon,they are for last resort.look at the main thread.nukes are a last resort weapon,and the threat of MAD helps to moderate more....extreme behaviour.

IC:Ilham forces will continue to monitor the situation and will track the movement of the Doujin fleet via satellite.It is advised to the Doujin fleet that they do not engage any neutrals or allies under our protection within international waters.

If the fleet moves within 500 kilometres of the Ilham coastline,or 700 kilometres of the Saudir coastline,we will openly shadow your fleet.Do not engage our allies Saudir or Nuevo Kowloon.Be advised that should you ever engage in conflict with the GDI,your nation will have to engage with me.

Ilham, Nukes are "Bad". Find an in-character excuse, but don't use 'em-it just riles this crowd up, and watching a whole region plus two alliances dogpile someone isn't much fun-these guys conspired to backstab Phyrric for using 'em, and he was on their side when he did.




OOC: Actually, we "backstabbed" (as you so *eloquently* put it) Phyrric, not because of his nuclear attack but his slaughter of tens of thousands of Allied troops without remorse, regret or explanation. As you can imagine, we were not too impressed with him, and so ejected him from UnAps. Enough has already been said however.

Ilham, Nukes are "Bad". Find an in-character excuse, but don't use 'em-it just riles this crowd up, and watching a whole region plus two alliances dogpile someone isn't much fun-these guys conspired to backstab Phyrric for using 'em, and he was on their side when he did.




OOC: Actually, we "backstabbed" (as you so *eloquently* put it) Phyrric, not because of his nuclear attack but his slaughter of tens of thousands of Allied troops without remorse, regret or explanation. As you can imagine, we were not too impressed with him, and so ejected him from UnAps. Enough has already been said however.

[ooc] Hey, just trying to help here- there are two sides to any given argument, and I read the thread. My point was to (tactfully-I'm not very good at tact) suggest that Ilham not use Nukes.

[Why are you even in these threads? The only thing you've done so far is added OOC opinions, suggestions, and made comments about tech you don't understand, all seemingly toward the goal of pissing us off OOC. Unless you plan to have some substantive IC involvement in these issues, I kindly ask you to bother any of us no more.]

OOC: Phyrric, Nuevo if you want any help here just say/call me. A little dogpile would be right up my alley.

[Why are you even in these threads? The only thing you've done so far is added OOC opinions, suggestions, and made comments about tech you don't understand, all seemingly toward the goal of pissing us off OOC. Unless you plan to have some substantive IC involvement in these issues, I kindly ask you to bother any of us no more.]

[ooc] First off, I have posted "in Character" in these threads-and Phyrric asked for my help. Just because someone doesn't line up Napoleon style doesn't mean they aren't present or doing things that are substantial.

Second, as far as "Technology you don't understand", I used to do Artillery for a Living. I have direct experience with how it works... and how it doesn't.
Randomly squirting shells doesn't work. Spray and Pray just invites counterbattery fire by telling the enemy exactly where you have your tubes sited. qualitatively, it's the most ineffective use of artillery assets. You were accusing another player of godmoding his losses, I provided an explanation of why he probably wasn't. The way you wrote the attack, then justified it, left holes in your assumptions wide enough to drive a corps through without scratching the paint on the doors.

Third, I cautioned Ilham, because like me, Phyrric called him in, and he's an ally. Politically, using Nukes, even in a large-scale general war like this, isn't the smartest move-esp. with the history of problems out-of-character between him, and Doujin. Helping your friends to avoid costly mistakes is what friends do.

Fourth, I asked Doujin to clarify a couple of points about his Military, because eventually, my military may have to become openly involved, and as a player, I need to know what I'm potentially facing, so that I can make good and effective posts IC, without either godmodding, or being totally ineffective.

Fifth, I've commented out of character on your tactics, because eventually I'm going to have to deal with them again-in character. Whether as an ally or an enemy, having someone in that relies on tech specifications over basic logistical, tactical, and strategic necessity isn't really that much fun. It's what soured the conflict in SLOA for not only me, but lots of other people and turned what should've been a good, hard, fight both navally and on land into a godmodding pecker-length contest that satisfied nobody.

Finally: this war is spread out over several threads, but not-paying-attention to what's going on is what gets people killed in real wars-what happens in the European campaign directly affects how things go in the Pacific (to use the WWII example). In a multifront conflict, the distribution of resources is tied directly to the overall strategy of a given side. If your side pulls out of a front (the Lietuveskan Peace-talks, for example), that redirects resources to another front, and changes the strategic and tactical picture drastically. Not-paying-attention means opportunities are missed, and the balance of power shifts unexpectedly.
Ilek-Vaad's aggressive neutrality policy changes the image yet again, adding a random element that has to be accounted for, while the diplomatic and political ramifications of USIH and myself potentially becoming openly involved (as opposed to simply providing humanitarian or covert assistance), can change the picture again. In a real Wartime situation, diplomatically leaning on fence-sitters is strategically sound (Good work, IV) doctrine. So is gathering intelligence on not only the enemy, but those that may come in on his side, have shown an interest in the proceedings, etc.

OOC: NK has it right, as usual. I have exams over the next two months i think, my last one finishes on 23rd of June. If miraculously this is still going then i will be joining FULLY, however until then i can only have a limited interaction on NS. The servers being as they are doesnt help either as my free time does not coincide with a server window where it is less busy.

OOC:
Can someone please post the necessary links? Because this thread is making little to no sense.