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A successful operation by the DSRO!

"Today, at 12:39AM, two DSRO vans loaded with C4, exploded around a religious institution in Saint John, The Opressive Church. The vehicles parked around the building (one in front of it and one near it), and the explosives went-off when our fighters were out of the blast zone. Various reports we got indicate that the building was heavily damaged, but we can't verify these reports. The nation's news networks (if exist) will probably tell the damage. The Opressive Church should see itself a target as long as it stays a theocracy, controled by oppressive cardinals."

A picture believed to be taken in the blast site:
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killing innocent people you are?if so, prepared ot be attacked.

OOC: I assume The Oppressive Church is an NS nation?

IC: Unprovoked attacks against civilians in a foreign nation will not be tolerated. We strongly condemn these attacks.

(OOC: yeah, like you are gonna invade a terrorist group :roll: Bush already proved that only numbskulls would think that possible :roll: )

killing innocent people you are?if so, prepared ot be attacked.

OOC:
please, everyone that wants to write a "prepar to be attacked" message - don't.
I'm not a nation, I'm an organization, and if you'll take a look at my message history you'll understand everything.
Thank you.

OOC: I assume The Oppressive Church is an NS nation?


Yes it is, and it knows about this thread.

killing innocent people you are?if so, prepared ot be attacked.

OOC:
please, everyone that wants to write a "prepar to be attacked" message - don't.
I'm not a nation, I'm an organization, and if you'll take a look at my message history you'll understand everything.
Thank you.

OOC:Well, since I cannot intervene, I won't attack then.

IC: The Khanate government has learned of this attack and strongly condemns the actions of The Secular Resistance. This murder of innocent civilians is barbaric, and we strongly urge that the Secular Resistance cease hostilities with The Oppressive Church.

OOC: In my opinion, it's stupid to attack a holy place of another religion. All one would do is just anger and unite the populace against a common enemy. If my history is correct(I sure hope it is), the previously disunited Muslims rallied together against the Christian Crusader threat and defeated them in the 12th-13th? century. The Crusaders themselves were a united lot due to their religious mission of retaking the Holy Lands. In similar contrast, an attack on another religion would only spur the population to fight, as their way of life is being threatened.

OOC: In my opinion, it's stupid to attack a holy place of another religion. All one would do is just anger and unite the populace against a common enemy. If my history is correct(I sure hope it is), the previously disunited Muslims rallied together against the Christian Crusader threat and defeated them in the 12th-13th? century. The Crusaders themselves were a united lot due to their religious mission of retaking the Holy Lands. In similar contrast, an attack on another religion would only spur the population to fight, as their way of life is being threatened.

it's not an attack against a certain religion, but against the whole idea of religions, and right now, a nation called "the OPRESSIVE Church" is a tagret for nations like me, right? :wink:
Besides, I think I'm the only terrorist "nation" that attack for these reasons, so... :D

And for another subject, I hope The Oppressive Church got my telegram, and will write here soon...

OOC: Yes, I'm a real nation... And I am well aware my name is spelled wrong, and only with one P... :( And he does have a point, this could be a way to unite my populace. If you don't know, my country is under martial Law, and has no leader right now, after a series of revolts, and assassinations. And here's a Link to explain that: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

IC:

The only operating Network in the country, the Religious Television station "God Only Saves Generous Souls" GOSGS, ran headlines along the bottom of the screen, while an overzealous Priest yelled at the Audience about the importance of giving money to the network, to save their souls.

12:45 AM Standard Opressive Church Time: News Flash ... Bomb blew up at the Chapel Westington in the city Saint John's ... Chapel mostly destroyed ... Two people inside the Chapel are presumed dead ... School Adjacent to Chapel partially destroyed ... The school was empty ... Homeless shelter behind Chapel suffered minimal damage ... Seven homeless people are confirmed dead ... Four apartment buildings nearby suffered minor damage ... Nine people confirmed dead ... Three people critically injured ... Twenty some people Injured ... Government suspects DSRO terrorist organization ... More updates as they become available ... Remember to watch "God Only Saves Generous Souls" News Ticker for your Up-to-date information which just might help Save your Soul!

"The DSRO will condsider a cease-fire after an announcement of a reform in The Opressive Church's governemnt. A constitution will be written, including a statement that the nation will never be a theocracy again, and that the religious ruling will end. After a total separation of religion from the government, we will stop our actions and lay down our weapons."

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The terms for stopping our activities are: The Opressive Church will reform its government/ruling, and will reelect a leader supporting human rights. A democratic leader will be even better.
The Cardinals and the oppressive religious leaders will step down, letting the new government to adapt.
There will be a separation of religion from state, Meaning, religion will not dictate the way of life to the people of the nation.
Religion will not be a condition at school, university, workplace and such.
All military religious organizations, if exist, will be dismantled.
the DSRO will be allowed to build offices and warehouses in The Opressive Church.
This agreement is valid untill one of the paragraphs above is breached. in case of a violation, the DSRO will work hard to make this nation become hell-on-earth.


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Our comments on the terms.

1. We were to reform our country. But a free Citizen assasinated our leader before she could enact the Reforms, plunging our country into Chaos. Such a dramatic change would be imposible during these times. And besides, what leader can think more for human rights then God?

2. Again, we were to reform, but the assasination destroyed the order in the country. The country has no order in it, and such a reform now would not only destroy every good thing about the country that is still standing, but it would plunge the entire country into Anarchy.

3. Again, God was our maker, how can him being involved in government be bad for the people? And we do not Dictate the people, we advise them on how they should live their lives to get into Heaven...

4. We might do that, but we still believe that Children must learn about God at an early age, or they are corrupted with Athiestic Ideas...

5. We were pacafist, we only had a small police force, and peace keeping army. That is exactly the reason we fell into such chaos after the assasination of our Arch Bishop!

6. NEVER! DSRO kills innocents. Your souls are corrupted and condemned. Letting you legaly into our country would destroy humanity. Even if the Opressive Church must crumble into destruction, we will NEVER let you legally set up in this country, to attack innocent god loving people around the world!

7. DSRO, your the hell on Earth! And this life does not matter, it is our afterlife that matters, and I can garrentee ever citizen of our nation will go forth into the arms of god, for withstanding your Athiestic Anarchistic corrupted ideas!



This is the Opressive Church's finest hour. You may destroy this country, but you can never destroy God, or the word of God! I would condemn DSRO, but DSRO agents have already condemned themselves!

Help us, all God Loving nations, preserve our faith, and do not let these Atheists destroy The Opressive Church's innocent civilians!

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OOC: Don't explode nukes in my country like you did to Roania...

OOC: First, it was Euroslavia. Second, it wasn't a nuke, just a very (very!) big bomb. :wink:

IC:
Oh, dmanit!
Don't you get it?
Your willing to "advise them on how they should live their lives to get into Heaven" is preventing kids to think freely, and it makes them believe without any seeable reason... makes them think their life worth nothing... takes their freedom!

4 C4-loaded vans are inside another of your nation's cities (we don't know the name, and we don't care), and are awaiting orders.
These are pretty big bombs... Do you still think your citizens need die for this?

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dude, if i were you, i'd take those terms into consideration and make peace with DSRO.

The Khanates is willing to send in peacekeepers and troops to The Opressive Church to help restore law and order among the populace. However, it will not particpate in the ongoing conflict between the Opressive Church and The Secular Resistance.

dude, if i were you, i'd take those terms into consideration and make peace with DSRO.

OOC-
Whoa! I didn't expect that from someone got "nuked" by the DSRO... :shock:

IC-
We thank you for your support, and we hope this is not a part of plot against us.

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The Khanates is willing to send in peacekeepers and troops to The Opressive Church to help restore law and order among the populace. However, it will not particpate in the ongoing conflict between the Opressive Church and The Secular Resistance.

I'm sure they won't need it, if they agree to our terms.

Our last offer is this:
Terms 1,2,3,4,5 and 7 will be fulfilled, and we will renounce term 6.
The Opressive Church, do you agree?

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Do you realise that the policy of all nations is not to negotiate with terrorists?

You will be refused, that's for sure. It is against international law to force somone to change their beliefs.

If you attack anyone again, the Imperial Navy anti-terrorist division will hunt you down and crush you.

-Emperor Daniel Marshall of the Imperial Navy

Do you realise that the policy of all nations is not to negotiate with terrorists?

You will be refused, that's for sure. It is against international law to force somone to change their beliefs.

If you attack anyone again, the Imperial Navy anti-terrorist division will hunt you down and crush you.

-Emperor Daniel Marshall of the Imperial Navy


The international law is not valid for resistance organizations.
We don't want to change their (the people's) belifes, we want them to be free to choose their own belief, cuz right now it's dictated by the government.
If a TOC (The Opressive church) citizen will rise up and say "I'm an atheist", he'll probably be arrested, or even killed. Is that called freedom?
We don't kill people because of their beliefs, it's just a collateral damage of our actions to influence the government.
The fact that we think religion is bad, doesn't mean we hate every religious person. We just hate religious oppressions. (The OPPRESSIVE Church).

I prefer waiting for TOC's answer.

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Do you realise that the policy of all nations is not to negotiate with terrorists?

You will be refused, that's for sure. It is against international law to force somone to change their beliefs.

If you attack anyone again, the Imperial Navy anti-terrorist division will hunt you down and crush you.

-Emperor Daniel Marshall of the Imperial Navy


The international law is not valid for resistance organizations.
We don't want to change their (the people's) belifes, we want them to be free to choose their own belief, cuz right now it's dictated by the government.
If a TOC (The Opressive church) citizen will rise up and say "I'm an atheist", he'll probably be arrested, or even killed. Is that called freedom?
We don't kill people because of their beliefs, it's just a collateral damage of our actions to influence the government.
The fact that we think religion is bad, doesn't mean we hate every religious person. We just hate religious oppressions. (The OPPRESSIVE Church).

I prefer waiting for TOC's answer.

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I wonder if this is a misunderstanding. You spelt Opressive Church as OPPRESSIVE. Perhaps you have mistaken and the he probably does not rule his citizens so oppressively? Is there any proof that he does what you claim to his citizens?

OOC-
First, he said himself that it is a mistake and it's supposed to be oPPressive (in this thread, btw).
Second, as long as his nation led by religion, and thus the people can't choose their beliefs, it's called oppression.

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dude, if i were you, i'd take those terms into consideration and make peace with DSRO.

OOC-
Whoa! I didn't expect that from someone got "nuked" by the DSRO... :shock:

IC-
We thank you for your support, and we hope this is not a part of plot against us.

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OOC: im just telling the truth. He needs to make peace for the sake of his people because I know first hand how hard it is to defeat a terrorist org. I didn't even defeat it and I had like 20 nations helping me. As long as there are terrorists in any nation, there will never be complete peace, so just make peace with DSRO.

Actually, we have freedom of Religion... It is just mondatory to also listen to the Opressive Church's piont of view, and it is frowned upon not to join the Opressive Church. Other Religion's aren't alloud to build large places of worship either. If they need a place to commune, they can rent an office or something. And Children must learn The Opressive Church Religion in school, and not that of their parents... But we don't mind immigrants being of any Religion, we just perfer them to convert...

And technically, right now, no one has any control over the country. It's Anarchy since the Assasination, and we were just about to instute a Constitution, but the Assasination canceled all of that, as such a drastic change from Church to Democracy, would leave the country so weak, it would inevitably fall into complete Anarchy within days of the Democracy being set up. Besides having to go to Church, and Children learning the word of God, we don't impose anything else religious on our country really... We only Advise them how to live their lives to go to Heaven, we do not inforce it... But you can go ahead and ruthlessly murder the innocents you are trying to "Liberate"... Hypocrates...

And once again, who is better to advise a nation then God, or the men/women of God? Who else could know what is better for Humankind then the maker of the Human race?

We still refuse all terms, but I might add, initiating a Constitution is still on the agenda, as soon as the country is out of Chaos...

There is still a bounty Secular's leader's head, and ONLY the head

OOC:A group that would not get any surport in Teritora that is for sure.

There is still a bounty Secular's leader's head, and ONLY the head

"Well no one seems to care... again."

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OOC-
I already told you that the leader is in the territory of Ness Ziona (they also know that), and we consider moving him out of it, away from the borders.

OOC:A group that would not get any surport in Teritora that is for sure.

We have no interest in Teritora. sorry.

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We still refuse all terms, but I might add, initiating a Constitution is still on the agenda, as soon as the country is out of Chaos...

Well then... The vehicles are ready...
You let me know when you're done, but if it'll take too much time, I'll give the order.

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*Response from the Nation of Crownguard*


The Nation of Crownguard salutes our brave atheist and agnostic brethren of the DSRO in the fight against corrupt, theocratic regimes. For too long, people are forced to listen to fallible men claim to know of the universe. This is utter folly, and is reflected in every blunder religions have ever made. From the cheery fires of the Inquisition to the bone numbing coldness of the Church during the Holocaust, religions and politics should NEVER mix. We are completely willing to supply these freedom fighters with whatever materials and sanctuary they may need. Till every man and woman, young and old is allowed to think for themselves on the meaning of the universe, the world will NOT be free. Cut your shackles free of doctrine. Never submit to ignorance.

(We would like to say that we do not oppose having beliefs, but the enforcement of those beliefs on others.)

"No Gods, No Masters"

-Crownguard
Foreign Affairs Office

OOC:A group that would not get any surport in Teritora that is for sure.

We have no interest in Teritora. sorry.

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OOC:Good, then theres no need to wipe you out then. To note however Domesitic Terrorists can be wiped out however. The US goverment has done it repeated times. Its may take a while the government if detemined can do it.

We still refuse all terms, but I might add, initiating a Constitution is still on the agenda, as soon as the country is out of Chaos...

Well then... The vehicles are ready...
You let me know when you're done, but if it'll take too much time, I'll give the order.

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If what will take too much time?

We offer 10 million dollars to the DSRO. Please keep up the good work.

We, the Nomadic peoples of the Anderton Mountains, have recently declared our independence from the Opressive Church. Read about that here. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89088)

We offer DSRO safe haven for your agents escaping The Opressive Church, but no Agents can enter TOC from our lands. You'll have to find another source for that.

~~The Proclaimed Liberator and Emancipator of the Nomadic Peoples of the Anderton Mountains, Victoria Dernswood~~

We, the island nation of Zenti would like to offer 30 Pinaka Multibarrel Rocket Launchers and 60 warheads to DSRO. Keep up the good fight. If your organization needs anything feel free to ask. :twisted:

If what will take too much time?

The reform of your government, of course.
You said yourself that you were going to do that anyway, and all we want is that it'll be a TOTAL reform. meaning:
Choose a not-effected-by-religion-leader, legislate laws for freedom of belief, not only in one's home, but also in public schools, workplaces and such, stop ""advising" people of ways to get to heaven", instead let them think for themselfs what will get them to heaven.
That will make us send an immediate order to the vehicle drivers to return to their base. Also, it'll make us consider leaving your area.

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Crownguard, The Iron Lords, The Anderton Mountains and Zenti, we thank all of you for the support.
It is this first time many nations support our actions.
luckily (and thanks to good planning), right now, we don't need financial support (OOC: I'm a "powerhouse" lol), and we have no shortage of weapons (we only use Galil, AK's, and M-16's).

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Well if you ever need any of the "oh my god were all gonna die!" variety brand weapons, please dont hesitate to ask. :twisted: Otherwise, Im giving it to the militant branch of the salvation army to get a tax break.

Well if you ever need any of the "oh my god were all gonna die!" variety brand weapons, please dont hesitate to ask.

Noted.
Thank you! 8)

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To save our Citizens from those heathens...

Constitution as written will go into effect in 12 hours.
Plans for Parlimentary rule were already laid out, and will be set up as planned within 120 hours. (Let say... in 2 hours real life time...)
A Bishop of the Church will act as leader of the country until polls can be set up, and the people can vote in their desired leader...


Official Church Statement:
The Church will completely withdraw entirely from Government, and remain that way, under all circumstances. We only did this to save the innocent lives of our citizens, which DSRO so ruthlessly dangled over our head.

DSRO is hypocraticle, they want to "Free" our Citizens from the Church, but to do so would kill off all the citizens they were trying to "Liberate"

Any Nation that helps DSRO should know it has condemned itself, for it has helped in the murder of Innocents. We hope you can have that weight on your shoulders you moraless satanic leaders, who have condemned themselves to Hell!

*Response from Crownguard*

I dont see what your nations has to fear...after all...supposedly all your people are going to "heaven". Therefor, in all actuality, we are doing them a favor by relieving them of this pain. That seems to be your reckoning at any rate.


I prefer to see the line of "terrorist" and "freedom fighter" differently. If it were YOUR nation doing the attacks, Im sure you would as well. Sorry, but we feel the liberty, free thought, is worth the price of lives already ready to be "martyred". And many other nations have in the past (America, China, ad infinitum).

If I am going to quote unquote "Hell", Ill be glad to see you there with me, you hypocrites. As I recall, betrayers occupy the 9th circle.....and you certainly have lost it if you are a "christian" church preaching love and good to all humankind. If you felt this way, a nation deciding the fate of who is condemned or not is no nation at all, but a dictatorship of the most foul kind.

I hope your happy, you've all invaded my right as a nation to govern myself the way I see fit... but that's fine and dandy, here's my First Elections (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89578).

The Church's last official Government statement:

You'll burn in hell for helping the murder of innocents. Killing people is no way to Liberate them, but don't listen to us, we're just a Pacifistic Church, which had commited no crime, and actually granted alot of Personal Freedoms!

Well, I'm now occupied by Roania... Elections canceled...

Robert Cardinal Reynolds is at the conferece of bishops but has been informed of the incredible human rights violations and obscene violence that is occuring in the region. The people of Senoj are saddened by the events and by the oppression expressed. Non-violence has proven to be an effective tool. If your pacifist attempt failed, try real civil disobedience. People will always be killed when standing for their rights. But they must be willing to stand for their beliefs and be prepared to die for them. But never to kill for them.