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Yes its that time again. Post here if you would like to design some field artillery along with Hole Where Evil Lives.

Key ideas for project:
-Light helicopter transportable
-Alternate self propulsion
-Adaptable (can be applied to a vehicle as a light Self Propelled which may be designed afterward)
-Capable of firing a variety of rounds
-No loss in effective range, accuracy and lethality
-Reliable

If you want to join this project then post your resume or whatever (I don't care; previous projects, knowledge of artillery, etc.) If you know a lot about artillery then you're much welcomed.

Hmm...

I haven't done a lot of artillery projects...at all.

However, I do have a knowledge of it.

Questions:
Rocket artillery or conventional?
Half-track, treads, or wheeled?
Auto-loader or hand loaded?
GPS targeting?

Hmm...

I haven't done a lot of artillery projects...at all.

However, I do have a knowledge of it.

Questions:
Rocket artillery or conventional?
Half-track, treads, or wheeled?
Auto-loader or hand loaded?
GPS targeting?

Conventional (capable of firing rocket assisted rounds).
Wheeled (field artillery ug..) Towed.
There are autoloaders for field artillery (towed)?
Yes sure.

More replies. Now!

*is semi interested*

Except Mi-26 can move just about any artillery..

I'm interested, what other info do you want us to post?

DT I'ld gladly have you on board (if you know about artillery). You should post any land systems you built (ie: tanks, other artillery, etc) that seem relevent. Or if you have a good knowledge of artillery then just tell me. Just prove to me you can design good military systems (especially artillery or land systems) or know about artillery and so forth.

DT I'ld gladly have you on board (if you know about artillery). You should post any land systems you built (ie: tanks, other artillery, etc) that seem relevent. Or if you have a good knowledge of artillery then just tell me. Just prove to me you can design good military systems (especially artillery or land systems) or know about artillery and so forth.
OOC:
Im OK at land systems, though air is my main specialty.

I havent designed any of my own yet, but I use MSTA-B towed howitzers, Azalea 152mm guns, and Crusader 155mm guns (admittedly better than any russian ones).

Basically, I know about their targetting systems, rocket propelled rounds, and ressuply vehicles (applies to crusader).

designed a few other artillery units before: here are two of the more telling ones, the P-9000 Mobile Howitzer, the PS-400 MLRS, and the PAT-6000 Anti-tank unit.


P9000 Howitzer
Mounted on a Type 98 chassis of Chinese design, this howitzer has proved to be one of the most successful designs ever fielded by East Fire Military Corporation, being tested in battle in many conflicts, including the Islandian Wars and several other conflicts in the past few years.

SPECIFICATIONS

(Chassis)

Crew: 5
Weight: 30 ton
Power Pack: 600 hp turbocharged diesel
Transmission: N/A
Power to Weight Ratio: 16.25 hp/ton
Speed: 56 km/h
Road Range: 500 km
Anti-NBC: Collective
Fire-Supression System: Yes

(Gun)

Calibre: 155 mm
Barrel Length: 45 calibre
Barrel Life: 2,500 firings
Maximum Firing Range: (High Explosive or HE): 24 km; (Extended Range Full Bore, or ERFB) 30 km; (Extended Range Full Bore, Hollow Base, Base Bleed, or ERFB-HB-BB) 39 km
Rate of Fire: intense 4~5 rounds/min; sustained 2 rounds/min(trained crews can fire off five aimed shots in a minute, once the target has been located, trajectories established, variables factored, and link updated).
Loading system: semi-automatic
Fire Control: Direct or indirect firing with electro-optical sighting system for day/night operations; onboard computer; GPS, real time satellite guidance with several different sat systems, including ones in service with the Islandian, Agrigentian, and Coral Sea forces.
Second Weapon(s): 2 12.7 mm anti-aircraft machine guns
Smoke Grenade: Two sets of 4-barrel launchers
Onboard Ammunition Load: (155 mm) 40 rounds
Active Countermeasures: Jams enemy guidance systems
passive CM: hides source of firing

MLRS
Mounted on a 7x7 flatbed truck with rotating turntable, this MLRS is the most advanced development by East Fire Military Corporation. It has been adopted into artillery units, both of the Islandian Banner forces and the Islandian Second Flag (reserve), and has been used many times in the Islandian Wars.

The rocket reaches a maximum speed of Mach 4 and the maximum flight altitude is 30 km, giving a minimum firing range of 20 to 30 km and a maximum firing range of 80 km with probability deviation of .1%.

The rocket has a new high performance rocket motor and warhead, reaches a maximum speed of Mach 4.6 and maximum flight altitude of 60 km, giving a minimum firing range of 90 km and a maximum firing range of 180 km. The probability deviation is between 1% and 1.5%. The rocketmeasures a length 6.182 m, and diameter of 0.320 m. The take-off weight is 720 kg with a 160 kg warhead.

The free rocket consists of the warhead and fuse, an FG-43 rocket motor and the tail section. The FG-43 rocket motor is a single chamber, solid rocket motor with an advanced hydroxy-terminated polybutadine (HTPB) composition rocket propellant.

Two types of warhead can be fitted on the PS- 400 rocket, a Z-2 blasting warhead or an SZ-1 submunition, which are selected according to the characteristics of the target.

The Z-2 blasting warhead is loaded with steel balls and prefabricated fragments. The SZ-1 submunition warhead provides an effective high power weapon against massed tanks. When the SZ-1 submunition warhead detonates, just under 600 bullets are expelled under high pressure
NBC protection system included.

OOC i'll post the stats for the Anti-Tank gun later.. i hope you find these developments to be interesting.

Good. I want to get a lot of people posting on this thing.




Post Now! Submit applications! Or don't but make sure you bump it in some way!

Well, we can take one of the Russian self propelled 152mm guns, maybe MSTA-S, and modernize it. Or take Crusader and tweak around with it a bit.

I havent designed any artillery yet though, but Ill be glad to chip in.

Well i've done some work on a 160mm gun to try and reach 30km.
So far it's only been vehicle mounted (in my upgrade Bowmen and FC's Bardis) of course it might not even be possible as its fairly conventionalwith no ETC or anything (i though about adapting the Gilgamesh's main gun in an arty style but it might be a bit heavy.
Anyway if i can help i will.

PAT 6000 Anti-tank Gun
(PAT 120mm smoothbore, and XP-1200 130mm smoothbore)

Fitted onto a modified artillery chassis designed by China's NORINCO (Northern Industries Corporation), the PAT 6000 concept was based on the success of a Chinese Anti-tank weapon, with a few major modifications. This was used to a lesser extent in the Islandian Wars, but when used, the gun made flaming wrecks of West Islandian T80Us and T90s.

The max speed of the chassis is 60 km/h, with NBC and fire supression systems designed by Xian Electronix, an indigenous company specializing in military grade electronics.
The 120 mm gun is fitted with a barrel thermal sleeve, a semi-automatic loader, and is fully (dual-way) stabilised. Ammunitions include ADFSDS, sabot, Dual penetration (with a pair of submunitions and a primary explosive which penetrates into the tank hull), rocket assissted rounds, and High Explosive. Fire control includes optical sight with night vision channels, and the laser rangefinder. Second armaments include a roof-mounted 12.7 mm AAMG, 7.62mm coaxial machine gun, and two sets of 4-barrel smoke grenade launchers on the turret sides.

A special type of round is being developed that can actively guide itself by maneuvering fins while in flight. As of now, about four batches have been produced, and tests have shown that the guided round, similar to the US sabot type shell, has better performance and accuracy than its American counterpart, hitting four T72s arrayed behind various obstacles and cover.

THe 130mm smoothbore gun was originally dismissed by senior officials as being too cumbersome; however, tests of this gun have shown that accuracy is common when using it. Besides firing various types of artillery, including SABOT, ADFSDS, hi-explosive rounds, and the new Island Techtronix Selfguided Contained Shell (mentioned before), several types of ammunition succeed even though the 130mm wasnt designed for it.
Still, despite being a promising project, the 120mm won out, particularly because 130mm ammunition is in scarce supply among the Islandian armed forces; that and the fact that few tanks are fitted with 130mm guns spoke death for the 130mm project, even though working prototypes were designed and successfully tested. Still, 130mm tank destroyers are in production, despite the fact that they are not used by Islandian Forces.

Maybe give Msta-S a 155mm gun?
The BDIA offers the modernized 155mm Msta-S self-propelled howitzer. It differs from the series-produced 152mm howitzer in a computer-aided automated fire control system which ensures topographic control and orientation, firing data calculation, automatic gun laying and correction during firing. The howitzer is equipped with a navigation terminal which receives data from the GLONASS/NAVSTARr satellite navigation system; an interface unit for the Adler and Techfire control systems; as well as new ammunition stowage and loading equipment. In addition, Msta-S can fire both foreign and Russian-made 155mm projectiles of enhanced lethality and longer range.
http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/Arms_systems/Land/Artillery/Self_Propelled/mstas.jpg

ELS-119 Light Gun

The ELS-119 is a light weight air mobile air droppable (by parachute) or Towed Howitzer with an average crew of six soldiers. It provides direct and indirect fire support to highly mobile light infantry divisions and separate brigades. The howitzer can be quickly moved and employed to provide maximum fire power with a minimum of combat loaded weight. It also provides a low silhouette and requires no recoil pit. These aspects combined makes the Howitzer one of the most lethal weapon systems in the Elias Army inventory.

ELS-119 weights 4,000 pounds and the prime mover is the HMMV truck. The 119 is air transportable with its basic load of ammunition by the EA-24 (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40824) helicopter. The gun fires all current 105-mm ammunition and new propellant is being developed to give the 119 an increased range to approximately 21Km with the rocket assisted projectile.

The gun is equpped with a digital fire control system that provided onboard ballistic computation, navigation, pointing and self-location, providing greater accuracy and faster reaction times. The program also included a laser ignition system, electric drives for the howitzer’s traverse and elevation and a powered projectile rammer.


Maximum Range:
14,000m
21,000m with rocket assisted projectiles

Dimensions (travel conditions):
Length (folded position) 16 ft
Width 5 ft 10 in
Height (folded position) 4 ft 6 in
(with cannon tube locked in tube clamp) 7 ft 3 in

Rate of Fire:
Max: 7 rounds per min for 2 min
Sustained: 3 rounds per min for 30 min

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m119-20p.gif
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m119a1-1.jpg
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m119-4.jpg

120,000 Each.

We can make a1 55m light howitzer if you like and for our self-propelled needs we have bought a production license for Ferrussia's Crusader modification.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65286&highlight=

UE are you applying for the design team or what? This is a towed weapon fellas. Anyway keep postin. Once we have enough appliers then we'll chose and then we'll set up a separate thread for design. Apply now!

Towed weapon? Oh well we submit MSTA-B modified to fire 155mm rounds:
http://www.hudi2.republika.pl/MSTA-S/MSTA-B1.jpg

Cant be bothered to dig up the full specs now, but will tommorow.

YEs we have applied. Notify us if we have been awarded the contract.

if u want more of our previous works, telegram us to post on this thread.


East Fire Military Corporation

Well consider Crookfur as having placed an aplication.
You know us, you know how we operate (or don't as the case may be).

A lot of the up pointing artillery does not really work for anything but long rangeshelling.

Slightly down pointing ones are better for battles and cover.

Anyway, I will join.

I have been in several fighter projects, a helicopter project, and have designed many other things.

I hope you agreee to let me be part, though my knowlegde of anything but battlefield tactics is rubbish.

we have some neat shells, most calibres are catered for.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74839

Personally, I like the designs of WW2 style artillery units for medium range bombardment.

It is stable, can be lifted in a safe position, and we are looking into it currently.

http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hs/fisher/ww2/ww2-aa-1.jpg

The only modern units I like are these:

http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/7e931335d515626a8525628100676e0c/d9d52bbe851eee6c8525627b006595b2/$FILE/M198HOW.JPG

Im thinking about making a 155m towed lightweight gun.

That sounds good.

Guns arent that good though, and are hell on logistics.

I like your 105mm, but 155mm might seem bulky, big, a logistics nightmare etc.

SPG's are better, and towed artillery is only really good for defending.

That sounds good.

Guns arent that good though, and are hell on logistics.

I like your 105mm, but 155mm might seem bulky, big, a logistics nightmare etc.

SPG's are better, and towed artillery is only really good for defending.

please buy some of my cluster rounds. :P

Yes its that time again. Post here if you would like to design some field artillery along with Hole Where Evil Lives.

Key ideas for project:
-Light helicopter transportable
-Alternate self propulsion
-Adaptable (can be applied to a vehicle as a light Self Propelled which may be designed afterward)
-Capable of firing a variety of rounds
-No loss in effective range, accuracy and lethality
-Reliable

If you want to join this project then post your resume or whatever (I don't care; previous projects, knowledge of artillery, etc.) If you know a lot about artillery then you're much welcomed.
Hmmm sounds like you just want an FH-77 :P

We find this project interesting. Assuming this is for a medium weapon, we see that you're probably looking for a 45 or 52 calibre barrel for increased range (30-40 km w/ assisted projectiles) and accuracy, and APU for a degree of short-range propulsion. The caliber of the barrel will most likely be 155mm, and the weapon should be compatible with NATO standard ammunition, for greater quality and variety. An assisted loading device might be used to provide a rate of fire close to that of newer self-propelled systems, possibly as high as 12 rpm burst, 6 rpm normal, and 2 rpm sustained. Maintaining transport capability by CH-53, CH-47, and similar helicopters won't be too hard, but trying to get such a unit carried by smaller utility units like the UH-60 and Lynx would prove to be a problem.
Such a weapon would be an exceptional boon to light forces and we would gladly help to design and produce it.

Try a Royal Ordinance Light Towed Howitzer man. 4 to 4 and half tons is likely what we're talking about to be transported by lighter helicopters. I'd rather have it lighter so that I can later adapt the gun for use on a self propelled unit light enough to be transported by a larger chopper easily (super deployability). Can we place an autoloader on a towed weapon?

Anyway, I don't want to buy your crppy guns. This is a project. One is going to be built jointly by whoever is accepted for the job. So apply, apply, apply!

(that sounded pretty stupid)

I apply, though I know little...

Is this a design team, or do we enter our own units?

THE DESIGNERS WILL BE SELECTED FROM THOSE WHO APPLY ON THIS THREAD!

Oh, well consider me to have applied then.

Try a Royal Ordinance Light Towed Howitzer man. 4 to 4 and half tons is likely what we're talking about to be transported by lighter helicopters. I'd rather have it lighter so that I can later adapt the gun for use on a self propelled unit light enough to be transported by a larger chopper easily (super deployability). Can we place an autoloader on a towed weapon?

Anyway, I don't want to buy your crppy guns. This is a project. One is going to be built jointly by whoever is accepted for the job. So apply, apply, apply!

(that sounded pretty stupid)
Ok, for a light gun, the maximum range will only be about 20 km, but the rate of fire will be notably increased. A full autoloader theoretically could be put on a towed weapon, but I'm thinking more along the lines of an assisted loading device, the likes of which is already in use in some 155mm guns. It will still require loaders to man it, but will fire at a much faster rate than standard weapons. A self-propelled unit that's air transportable via helicopter would be rather difficult, though. The best bet there would be a truck-mounted gun like the French Caesar.
Still interested.

10 ton Rascal. Check that one out. 155mm.

Anyway this ain't the design thread. Once I chose the team we'll set one up. Should be able to improve 20k up to near 30 with certain design improvements (like advanced munitions and some gun improvements).

So others apply now before its too late.

we apply by juss putting up stats of our former projects and experience rite?

Sure just post anything which might prove you know artillery.

how many designers are you picking?

Probably 3.

Still taking other applications. While I'm waiting here's a nice tank developed by myself and 3 others as an MBT. Its incredibly lethal and has masterful armor. T-7 Gilgamesh.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70439&highlight=

Buy em.

Apply.

Now!

Below are teh specs for the SPG (Self Propelled, Guided) Anti AIr Defence system, which provides medium-point air defense. This is similar to both the German SPAAG and the Chinese Type 95 SPAAG/SAM system, incorporating several 20mm guns and one Gatling gun for close in combat.

The AT-7000 SPG Anti Air system is basically four 20mm guns, four fire and forget SAMs, and several radar units and a CIWS mounted on an improved Chinese built Type 98 tank chassis.
An electro-optic package mounted on the forward part of the turret includes a TV tracking camera, infrared tracking camera and a laser range-finder which feeds information to the onboard fire-control computer. This calculates the weapon-laying data, and when the target is within range the gunner opens fire. The gunner also has a joystick with which to lay the weapons onto the target.

The TV tracker has a maximum automatic tracking range of 9km while the infrared tracking camera has a maximum range of 6km. The laser range-finder is quoted as having a minimum range of 900m, maximum range of 6,000m and is accurate to +/- 1m.

System reaction time depends on a number of factors. According to tests, in the radar search mode this is 10 seconds while in the optical mode it is about six seconds.

Also, due to the high failure rate in the Islandian Wars of several earlier versions of SPG air defence systems, East Fire Military Corp contracted Xian Electronix to build a passive ECM system that would conceal the search radar from most HARMs and radar-killers. this unit, the WC-5 Countermeasures system, has performed admirably in border engagements with West Islandia, lowering the percentage of destroyed units from 40 percent to 3 percent. In addition to this, EFMC also included a variant of the Type 900S Pop Up CIWS currently used on several Islandian ships, most notably light catamaran frigates, in order to destroy and take out missiles. This component folds into the hull for storage and transport, and folds out on a highly mobile, electronically moved arm. The actual unit itself is a Gatling gun, capable of firing 1000 bullets a second for short engagement times. The Type 9000 has its own guidance and control system, but is reliant on either the SPG's own radar or the radar mounted on the command post.

The radar itself, mounted in the command and control vehicle, is a SJ-5000 ground based airsearch radar, capable of scanning up to about thirty kilometers and with a maximum altitude of five kilometers, with the ability to track about and engage fifty different high speed targets. the information is fed into a W-9 information processor, which sorts out the target info and relays it to the different SPG units, who in turn engage the enemy. However, in case that the Command and Control Unit is destroyed, then the SPGs are equipped with shorter range SE-130 radars, capable of tracking up to ten km and twenty targets.
Communications equipment installed in the battery command vehicles allows it to transmit information in a digital form up to 10km, by standard radio up to 15km and by wire up to 600m.


SPECIFICATIONS

Crew: 3
Weight (combat): 22.5 t
Length: 7m
Width: 3m
Height (radar up): 4.8 m
Height (radar down): 3.5 m
Max road speed: 60 km/h
Max cruising range: 500 km
Armament: 4X20 mm AAA; 4XAV-10 SAMs

(Command vehicle)
Crew: 5
Weight (combat): 22.5 t
Length: 6.8 m
Width: 3.2 m
Height (radar up): m
Height (radar down): m
Max road speed: 53 km/h
Max cruising range: 450 km
Armament: 2X12.7 mm machine gun, 1 AV10 SAM launcher

(BTW, since even I bought Gilgamesh tanks, theyre damn good)

I will join

when are u gonna decide who to pick?

Hasty are we. You want me to set a date? Well it doesn't look like any other people are inturested so how about right now.

East Islandia
Clan Smoke Jaguar
Dark Terror

Congradulations. I'll contact yous later once I get up a thread.

Others who we believe would be better at vehicle design will be considered for the self propelled version which will be produced later and may be contacted in the future after this project is finished.

Excellent.


Just asking, what caliber will it be? Maybe a light 122mm gun?

Hasty are we. You want me to set a date? Well it doesn't look like any other people are inturested so how about right now.

East Islandia
Clan Smoke Jaguar
Dark Terror

Congradulations. I'll contact yous later once I get up a thread.

Others who we believe would be better at vehicle design will be considered for the self propelled version which will be produced later and may be contacted in the future after this project is finished.

thanks, but anytime would havebeen good.

No problem. I dragged her out too long anyway.

155mm.