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My friends, a grave day it is when rap is conisdered music on our fair planet. My people, the people of the Fiefdom of Roonieus, have pleaded with me to take thier case to my fellow represenitives at the UN. We must take the action to ban rap as it is a detriment to our societies. I emplore you to stop the madness, because I can not do it alone, without your help. Thank You.
Lord Roonieus

I forgot to mention if u wish to join in this fight the proposal is currently on page 21 at the bottom of the UN proposals.

Some advice. Please post this in the u.N. forum next time. That's why it's there. Also if this is your first proposal try something less offensive and more inclusive.

This is not just merely an issue of censorship, in which people's freedoms are being taken away. The music of rap itself is not a problem, but the message it conveys to the audience is. We are allowing are children to her stories of men getting in cars and taking innocent lives for no other reason than their own amusement. If a child is constantly listing to messages conveying the destruction of the so called "system" by the execution of the men and women whom serve your country in the police force. These men and women put their life on the line everyday to ensure that weak are cared for, and the downtrotten are protected. Allowing children to listen to songs promoting the killing of these indviduals, in my opinion is bismal. Some say that this is just a generation of frustrated youth's way of lashing out against previous generations. This has gone far beyond lashing out against older generations, this is what is tearing down all lines of decensary that our forefathers held steadfast as they faced horrible events, which occur so often through out our history. Their ideals are what allowed them to triumph over the insermountable odds. The most direct way from one point to another is a staight line, and the best way to stop a problem is to cut it off from the source. Crime rates have risen tremendously and many would never try to walkthrough certain places at night. Although rap is not the sole reason, it is still an undeniable factor. Trying to curb the effects of rap has failed time and time again, now we have the option of dealing the final blow to this maniacle music. I urge you to support this proposition, becausing saying that you do not is the same as saying that you condone the killing of the weak, the innocent, the downtrotten, the unlucky, and worst of all the protectors of these misfortunate groups of people that can not fend for themselves. The decision is yours and yours alone. Please do the right thing: Yes on the proposal to ban rap forever.

halleluiah!

A thread containg the debate over this issue can be found in the United Nations Forums under a similiar title by the author Japanistanamaica.

Are you serious?

New Genoa's official response:

ROFLMFAO

-Department of L33T-

CEO Kargaah views the comm, and laughs so hard he almost drops his stogie.

"Why in the Pits would anyone want to ban rap music? I have almost 1/8th of my financial empire staked in it."

He finishes up with "Up in ya face with mace, ace!"

OOC: Corny, yes. But I like it too.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, this bitch can suck my nuts if he bans rap... and he probably will, too....

The support for this proposal is based on broad generalisation.

This proposal will take away freedom of speech.

So that would be a no from us.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

I hate rap in all its forms, but you can't just censor something because you don't like it. No matter how terrible it is

I must say, no matter how horrible and degrading rap is, I must dissagree with banning it. I know a lot of people out here that want me out of this town because I listen to Pink Floyd and Pearl Jam, Led Zeppelin, The Who And every other "stoner rock" band from the 60's and 70's.

I think that whatever you find to be entertainment is alright...whos to stop someone from their own happieness?

Agreed. Once I ban something that people like just because I don't like it other people can ban things I like. You have to ask yourself- How would I like it?

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

Instead of trying to ban rap, why not introduce a "better altenative" for lack of a better word...it worked with most of my friends...though thier parents hate me now :roll:

This is not just merely an issue of censorship, in which people's freedoms are being taken away. The music of rap itself is not a problem, but the message it conveys to the audience is. We are allowing are children to her stories of men getting in cars and taking innocent lives for no other reason than their own amusement. If a child is constantly listing to messages conveying the destruction of the so called "system" by the execution of the men and women whom serve your country in the police force. These men and women put their life on the line everyday to ensure that weak are cared for, and the downtrotten are protected. Allowing children to listen to songs promoting the killing of these indviduals, in my opinion is bismal. Some say that this is just a generation of frustrated youth's way of lashing out against previous generations. This has gone far beyond lashing out against older generations, this is what is tearing down all lines of decensary that our forefathers held steadfast as they faced horrible events, which occur so often through out our history. Their ideals are what allowed them to triumph over the insermountable odds. The most direct way from one point to another is a staight line, and the best way to stop a problem is to cut it off from the source. Crime rates have risen tremendously and many would never try to walkthrough certain places at night. Although rap is not the sole reason, it is still an undeniable factor. Trying to curb the effects of rap has failed time and time again, now we have the option of dealing the final blow to this maniacle music. I urge you to support this proposition, becausing saying that you do not is the same as saying that you condone the killing of the weak, the innocent, the downtrotten, the unlucky, and worst of all the protectors of these misfortunate groups of people that can not fend for themselves. The decision is yours and yours alone. Please do the right thing: Yes on the proposal to ban rap forever.

HAHAAHAHAHAHAH lol atleast listen to more than one rap b4 you condem it try a song by mos-def

I must say, no matter how horrible and degrading rap is...

Three problems-

a) Is all rap 'horrible and degrading'?
If not you could ban anything.

b) Is all rap 'horrible and degrading' in a serious way?
If not we can no longer use satires to 'teach someone a lesson'.

c) Is all rap glorifying 'horrible and degrading' acts?
If not we may as well ban all warning messages and the news.


Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

I don't think i will listen to rap for you see, it dulls the mind and slows the wits. I will however not "condemn" it as you say, only discourage the listening of it, I too hate the message it conveys.

I don't think i will listen to rap for you see, it dulls the mind and slows the wits. I will however not "condemn" it as you say, only discourage the listening of it, I too hate the message it conveys.

If you don't listen to it how do you know the message it conveys?

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan, but I know that not all rap is 'evil' and tells people to hurt others.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

You make a fine point I will admit that I was exteme in my description of rap. I will admit I was wrong to say that, and will withdraw that statement.

It was nice debating with you. You know what you are talking about and can use the appropriate language to back it up.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

I never said i didn't listen toit in fact, I tried to for a whole year in order be like everyone else, and also know it is not all evil, i will listen to some on occasion still, such as outkast, p.o.d. (the early stuff).
but the rap im mainly focused on this issue is "gangsta rap" such as lil' john, 50 cent, nelly, d12, and eminem.
that genre.

You too, you seem to be a very intellectual person and i would be glad to debate you again.
Anytime,
marial

Sorry, buddy: if rap's the most troublesome issue confronting you, you've got a serious case of moral hypocrisy going on in your nation.

My main quarrel with rap is it's butchery of the English language, with words such as hella and hecka, and bling, wich is, by the way, in the dictionary now. I mean, yah, it would be boring to talk properly 100% of the time, but these scum bags never do! This "music" is wasting away at the world's youth. I'm just glad that it hasn;t poisened Europe to the degree that it has America.

My main quarrel with rap is it's butchery of the English language,
"The very nature of language is change. As long as your audience understands you there is nothing wrong with it."
-Lesley (Language and Culture Minister) at the Council of 'speaking in simple terms'.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

My main quarrel with rap is it's butchery of the English language

This is a purely aesthetic concern. If you really consider this serious, it'd be nice if North America stopped butchering the languages of Spanish and English, and instituted Algonquin as the national language.

We do not prohibit rap.
We also do not prohibit persons in a public place who are oppressed by this provocative repetitive pointless product from pelting the purveyors with putrid produce.

Can't. It goes against the 87 Eridanian Constituional Rights. Freedom of the arts, man.

My friends, a grave day it is when rap is conisdered music on our fair planet. My people, the people of the Fiefdom of Roonieus, have pleaded with me to take thier case to my fellow represenitives at the UN. We must take the action to ban rap as it is a detriment to our societies. I emplore you to stop the madness, because I can not do it alone, without your help. Thank You.
Lord Roonieus

I would agree with this. Rap music is teh suXor.

We support this resolution.

We also support shooting unfashionable people or people who curse in public on site.

No, rather we support freedom of speech and basic civil liberties, so we cannot support this dreadful resolution.

the resolution is not dreadful. rather it is revolutionary. somebody has finally stepped up to take down the overly violent and manipulative "music" called rap.

fuck, what pussies... if you think rap is violent, you should meet me in real life... and Feminem is a faggot, and so is Dr. Gay... listen to ICP and then complain about the subliminal messages about being accepted somewhere when youre a freekshow in this world....complain after you meet the rest of the Juggalos, and we beat the shit out of you... then complain, but not before... here are some music videos for you to look at... http://www.hallsofillusions.com/mainsite/download ...Download away.... be sure to look at "We Dont Die" by Twiztid....

fuck... what pussies... if you think rap is violent, you should meet me in real life... and Feminem is a faggot, and so is Dr. Gay... listen to ICP and then complain about the subliminal messages about being accepted somewhere when youre a freekshow in this world....complain after you meet the rest of the Juggalos, and we beat the shit out of you... then complain, but not before... here are some music videos for you to look at... http://www.hallsofillusions.com/mainsite/download ...Download away.... be sure to look at "We Dont Die" by Twiztid....

bite me.

Sorry but I think Rock and/or Roll music is terrible and it should be banend but i'm not going to make a proposal to ban it. I am a Rap fan by the way. We should focous on real issues............ ban Britney Spears and all forms of her "music" though.



Signed

Father Inverse, Leader of Inversetonia
Ken Masta, UN representative

i completely agree with the banning britney spears music. so if anybody got that goin i would love to see it pass. sorry man but rap should also be banned.

My friends, a grave day it is when rap is conisdered music on our fair planet. My people, the people of the Fiefdom of Roonieus, have pleaded with me to take thier case to my fellow represenitives at the UN. We must take the action to ban rap as it is a detriment to our societies.

Uh-huh. So if everyone hates rap, why is it so successful; why do so many people buy it and listen to it if they all hate it? Where did you get the idea that government should be allowed to ban music for the simple reasons that they believe it's tasteless or unskilled? That's a decision for individual consumers to make. You overstep your bounds as an officer of the people and turn your back on the precepts of a free civilized society with this proposition of yours.

i completely agree with the banning britney spears music. so if anybody got that goin i would love to see it pass.
I AGREE!!!!!

bite me.

Will do...
*CHOMP*

I'm just glad that it hasn;t poisened Europe to the degree that it has America.
Assuming that "to poison" is to be used as a negative synonym for "to have influence over", I'll cite the examples of (inter alia) Roots Manuva, Delegates of Culture, Dizzee Rascal and a good many others from the UK. There's no need to cross the channel, except to generally say that rap/hip-hop as a musical style can be found all over the world and serves (in my opinion) as a very quick way of getting the hang of the pronunciation of an unfamiliar language. I credit Sultana's single "Kuşu Kalkmaz" with improving my understanding of the Turkish language no end.

More broadly, it's a ridiculous statement to say that X genre of music promotes bad and ungodly things.
Elvis was accused of being rampantly immoral just because he shook his hips - put on any video (not just rap) and you'll see things substantially racier than that.
Many rock groups of the 70s were accused of devil worship and so on (Black Sabbath and the famous "backwards masked" Led Zepplin songs being prime examples). Have a listen to anything with guitars coming out of Norway these days and you'll hear a lot worse than that.
There are always going to be the cartoonish "gangstas" out there. For some reason or another, the average 13-year-old loves them (not a blind stereotype, I have two younger brothers) and believes that what they say is true. But for every 50 Cent, Ludacris or whoever else (who, in my opinion, are among the worst rappers going around these days. I speak as someone who's grown up on hip-hop music), there are many many more Commons, Che Fus and Elf Tranzporters.

who was it that said the following.

"Black man did not create rap, the white man did. A long time ago in fact... only they didn't call it rap back then, HELL No, it was called SQUARE DANCING!"

for some reason Chris Rock comes to mind... Might be wrong tho.

While I dislike rap, I am against Censorship, but also support Artistic Responsibility.

For me, I consider this a National Issue, thus I cannot support this proposal.

Ban Rap

HALLELUJAH!!! SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE!!!

The Roycelandian Empire has outlawed all Rap, Hip-Hop, and RnB Music, as His Majesty can't stand it.

Civil Libertarians were initially outraged at this suppression of "Free Speech" and "Artistic Expression", but His Majesty invoked Article I of the Imperial Constitution ("It's Good To Be The King", held in the case of R v The Imperial East Africa Company(1812) 1 ILR 303 to mean "The Emperor Can Do Whatever The Hell He Likes"), and all further debate was quashed.

Similarly, His Majesty has also exercised Article I to ban Teeny Bopper Music, Shameless Movie Cash-Ins, Reality TV, and DVD Regional Encoding.

So we would support this proposal, but since there are so many crap UN proposals we really don't pay attention to any of them anymore...

Double Post... Accursed Forums! :D

Using the U.N. as a tool to do anything but maintain international relations between countries is moronic. It should only be used to regulate nuclear activities, prevent WWIII from ever breaking out, and it should be an agency of Humantarian relief. It should not be used for petty vendettas, a way to censor things internationally you don't like, and it shouldn't be used to create a world wide government. If you don't like rap, fine censor it in your own country, but don't jam try to get us to give up pieces of our soviergnity for your personal issues with a form of artistic expression.

well... i'm just a sick and tired of people living with rap as a model of life, without vocabulary, and most of time driving a Honda (civic), tuned-up stupidly, with useless spoiler and body-kit, you know what i mean.... Ricer boys thougt! well, if you renew you proposal, you have an entire region supporting you! We are a new and no so big region, but it is better than nothing, we're all rockers!

If there's people interested living in a Rock paradise just join us, and ban rap togheter!

Prasq, co-fondator of

United Metal Militia Alliance

Also, banning hip-hop would technically ban our national anthem - a complex and lyric-less arrangement for cello, thumb-piano and human beatbox.

well, considering that 1) rap, like all other music, except for pop and techno, is a kind of poetry....urban poetry, which is better than Poe, Dickinson or Frost... and 2) if you dont like violence, you can suck my nuts, fuck all of you who want to ban rap...

I will support this most noble resolution. Rap though it depecrates on our moral fiber, is a horrid display of verbal skills to electronic beats is simply not music when compared to the majesty of a guitar and a distortion pedal.

I will support this most noble resolution. Rap though it depecrates on our moral fiber, is a horrid display of verbal skills to electronic beats is simply not music when compared to the majesty of a guitar and a distortion pedal.

i couldnt agree more

I think rao is the dumnest thing ever but u cant allow peopel from writing........... whatever they call it. allthough rap stands for retards attempting poetry and the word rap is in crap you cant outlaw something cause it is just dumn.

And I suppose yourself to be a genius, correct? I mean, your spelling is HORRIFIC, for god's sake, learn how to write yourself, YOU DAMN HYPOCRITE!!

You have Fuctopia's full support in this resolution. The people of Fuctopia find this 'noise pollution' to be annoying and an insult to music.

Official Communique Recording

From: HotRodian Minister of U.N. Related Discussions

To: Participants in The "Ban Rap" Proposal Discussion

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Sam I Am: As we consider that 'Rap' is a means of expression that is artistic in nature, whether you define it as music or not, we cannot sanction the limitation of free speech in the area of popular culture simply because "it sounds funny" or somewhat more reasonably "I don't like the values it promotes". If you do not wish to allow your children to listen to it until they are mature because you feel that Rap promotes activities you do not want your child to engage in, that is your perogative. Likewise, if you yourself prefer not to listen to rap, then do not.

If nothing else, rap, specifically gangsta rap, and its promotion of violence, hedonism, and consumerism; should be allowed to stand as a lesson of the kind of unhealthy lifestyle that (physical, psychological, economic) slavery can create.

Also, the charge that Ebonics, Black English Vernacular (BEV), or African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) is some sort of bastardization of English is just foolishness. It is a dialect of English just like Standard American English (SAE). It is a complex and beautiful language that shows greater variation in its syntax, morphology, and phonology than many other 'pure' forms of English. When one considers that the adornment of language using rhythm, repetition, and tone, are part of AAVE and also part of that art form highly valued by the educated class, poetry, one would think that there would be a great appreciation for AAVE.

My speculation is that the use of language that one cannot understand by other persons creates feeling of inferiority and frustration in some persons, and thus they target that which causes them pain, assigning it negative cultural values that they hope will discourage its use.

Jim: You are being pedantic again, sir. And using big words as well, words that they may not even understand. If they don't understand the argument, it won't work.

Sam I Am: I'm just presenting a clear argument against the abuses of language by...you're right, I'm being pedantic. Where's the send button on this thing? Is it this invitingly large red one here?

Jim: Don't press that! Press this one.

Sam I Am: Ah, there it is.

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From: The HotRodian Minister For U.N. Related Discussions

To: Participants in The "Ban Rap" Proposal Discussion

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Sam I Am: If we truly desire to eliminate the unhealthy behaviors and philosophies of the 'ghetto' culture, banning rap is the wrong way to go. Solving the problem requires that we eliminate the causes of the problem, rather than the symptoms that are expressed in musical form. Lack of education, poverty, institutional discrimination, the negative stereotypes that are presented as models of behavior that is appropriate for those who belong to the 'ghetto' culture. Those are the real problems.

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considering the proposal has run out i suppose u can stop arguin over this. although there is a new proposal i myslef have put up to support funding for rock and roll. so feel free to approve that one.

considering the proposal has run out i suppose u can stop arguin over this. although there is a new proposal i myslef have put up to support funding for rock and roll. so feel free to approve that one.

I knew it had died, I just have an axe to grind on this particular issue.

I too dislike rap, but I would not support such a proposal because
A) I am too lazy to rejoin the UN
B) If I support the censorship of rap, I will be considered a hypocrite when in the future I try to prevent censorship of music by radio stations (I'm sick of having to steal Downward spiral from my bro every time I wanna hear an un-(poorly)edited Closer).
C) Rappers and rap fans are fun to make fun of, Ture Dat. Fo shizzle, Dawg.