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START 1

Sydia
29-11-2003, 03:37
Having heard news that the US is developing mini-nuclear warheads, I feel it is time for the NS UN to consider consequences of a nuclear war. Therefore, I propose the following treaty based on the actual START 1 (although this version heavily abridged and worded somewhat differently), origonally an agreement between the USA and USSR, which will be a step closer to nuclear proliferation. I would most appriciate your opinions.
NB-
ICBM = intercontinental ballistic missile.
START = Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty

START 1
Category: International Security

Our nation, conscious that nuclear war would have devastating consequences for all humanity, that it cannot be won and must never be fought,

Convinced that the measures for the reduction and limitation of strategic offensive arms and the other obligations set forth in this Treaty will help to reduce the risk of outbreak of nuclear war and strengthen international peace and security,

Recognizing that the interests of the Parties and the interests of international security require the strengthening of strategic stability,

Offers the following resolution toward nuclear proliferation.

ARTICLE I

Each Party shall reduce and limit its strategic offensive arms with nuclear capacity in accordance with the provisions of this Treaty, and shall carry out the other obligations set forth in this Treaty and its Annexes, Protocols, and Memorandum of Understanding.

ARTICLE II

1. For ICBMs and SLBMs of nuclear capacity:

(a) Each Party shall limit the aggregate number of non-deployed ICBMs for mobile launchers of ICBMs to no more than 250. Within this limit, the number of non-deployed ICBMs for rail-mobile launchers of ICBMs shall not exceed 125.

(b.) Each Party shall limit the number of non-deployed ICBMs at a maintenance facility of an ICBM base for mobile launchers of ICBMs to no more than two ICBMs of each type specified for that ICBM base. Non-deployed ICBMs for mobile launchers of ICBMs located at a maintenance facility shall be stored separately from non-deployed mobile launchers of ICBMs located at that maintenance facility.

(c) Each Party shall limit the number of non-deployed ICBMs and sets of ICBM emplacement equipment at an ICBM base for silo launchers.

(d) Deployed road-mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles shall be based only in restricted areas. A restricted area shall not exceed five square kilometers in size and shall not overlap another restricted area. No more than ten deployed road-mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles may be based or located in a restricted area. A restricted area shall not contain deployed ICBMs for road-mobile launchers of ICBMs of more than one type of ICBM. The number of restricted areas is governed by the size of the nation and must be kept at a sensible number.

ARTICLE III

Each Party undertakes not to interfere with the national technical means of verification of the other Party operating in regards to article I.

Parties shall not dispose of all nuclear weapons due to the deterant factor to rogue states with nuclear capabilities. Nuclear weapons should not be fire in aggressive unprovoked attack.

Each Party shall have the right to conduct operational dispersals of deployed mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles, ballistic missile submarines, and heavy bombers. There shall be no limit on the number and duration of operational dispersals, and there shall be no limit on the number of deployed mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles, ballistic missile submarines, or heavy bombers involved in such dispersals. When an operational dispersal begins, all strategic offensive arms of a Party shall be considered to be part of the dispersal.

To ensure the viability and effectiveness of this resolution, each Party shall not assume any international obligations or undertakings that would conflict with its provisions.

Each Party may propose amendments to this resolution. Agreed amendments shall enter into force in accordance with the procedures governing entry into force of this resolution.
Sydia
29-11-2003, 04:32
Come on, anybody?!
29-11-2003, 05:46
I beilive these countrys should be left alone
New Babel
29-11-2003, 06:25
Having heard news that the US is developing mini-nuclear warheads, I feel it is time for the NS UN to consider consequences of a nuclear war.
well... that's the whole idea... mini... smaller... little... though still effective.


START 1
Category: International Security

Our nation, conscious that nuclear war would have devastating consequences for all humanity, that it cannot be won and must never be fought,

Convinced that the measures for the reduction and limitation of strategic offensive arms and the other obligations set forth in this Treaty will help to reduce the risk of outbreak of nuclear war and strengthen international peace and security,

Recognizing that the interests of the Parties and the interests of international security require the strengthening of strategic stability,

Offers the following resolution toward nuclear proliferation.
good enough start...


Each Party shall reduce and limit its strategic offensive arms in accordance with the provisions of this Treaty, and shall carry out the other obligations set forth in this Treaty and its Annexes, Protocols, and Memorandum of Understanding.
offensive arms? woah, woah, woah... we shouldn't be able to defend ourselves or attack if needed? not good...



1. For ICBMs and SLBMs:

(a.) Each Party shall limit the aggregate number of non-deployed ICBMs for mobile launchers of ICBMs to no more than 250. Within this limit, the number of non-deployed ICBMs for rail-mobile launchers of ICBMs shall not exceed 125.
eh... i thought we were talking nuclear here... not consistent--though not unreasonable.

(b.) Each Party shall limit the number of non-deployed ICBMs at a maintenance facility of an ICBM base for mobile launchers of ICBMs to no more than two ICBMs of each type specified for that ICBM base. Non-deployed ICBMs for mobile launchers of ICBMs located at a maintenance facility shall be stored separately from non-deployed mobile launchers of ICBMs located at that maintenance facility.
two? uh...

(c.)Each Party shall limit the number of non-deployed ICBMs and sets of ICBM emplacement equipment at an ICBM base for silo launchers.
uh... groovy.

(d) Deployed road-mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles shall be based only in restricted areas. A restricted area shall not exceed five square kilometers in size and shall not overlap another restricted area. No more than ten deployed road-mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles may be based or located in a restricted area. A restricted area shall not contain deployed ICBMs for road-mobile launchers of ICBMs of more than one type of ICBM.

you're basically saying no one is allowed to go to war without using swords and maces, right?

Each Party undertakes not to interfere with the national technical means of verification of the other Party operating in regards to article I.
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Parties shall not dispose of all nuclear weapons due to the deterant factor to rogue states with nuclear capabilities. Nuclear weapons should not be fire in aggressive unprovoked attack.
correct... nuclear weapons are horribly powerful.

Each Party shall have the right to conduct operational dispersals of deployed mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles, ballistic missile submarines, and heavy bombers. There shall be no limit on the number and duration of operational dispersals, and there shall be no limit on the number of deployed mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles, ballistic missile submarines, or heavy bombers involved in such dispersals. When an operational dispersal begins, all strategic offensive arms of a Party shall be considered to be part of the dispersal.
well, duh.

To ensure the viability and effectiveness of this resolution, each Party shall not assume any international obligations or undertakings that would conflict with its provisions.
well, yeah... IF

Each Party may propose amendments to this resolution. Agreed amendments shall enter into force in accordance with the procedures governing entry into force of this resolution.
GOOD.

we should reduce nuclear weapons production--not research though--you want cleaner, smaller nuclear weapons--not ones that would take out all of north america. nuclear war would be a terrible, terrible thing.
29-11-2003, 16:29
That is a very good proposal, I like how you made it into articles, like the Constitution of the Untied States of America.
29-11-2003, 16:29
That is a very good proposal, I like how you made it into articles, like the Constitution of the Untied States of America.
29-11-2003, 17:12
New Babel, what are you talking about? How would this resolution force us to enter battle with swords and lances? Last I checked it only limited nuclear weapons.

I'm opposed however, due to the fact that non-UN members will still have nukes while we're limiting ours. Basically, UN members can be hald hostage to non-UN members.
29-11-2003, 18:41
Well, I guess I could just declare all my mobile ICBMs to be "deployed" (whatever that means) and say that my entire country is a grid of an infinite number of restricted areas, each with an area of zero square feet.

So I can deal with it if it passes.
New Babel
29-11-2003, 19:14
i wasn't really talking about anything. as long as it only limits nuclear weapons, i'm all for it.
Sydia
29-11-2003, 21:58
Well, I guess I could just declare all my mobile ICBMs to be "deployed" (whatever that means) and say that my entire country is a grid of an infinite number of restricted areas, each with an area of zero square feet.

So I can deal with it if it passes.

Deployed means active, basically it means you can't have 1000 nukes pointed at your enemies nation.

ARTICLE I wrote:

Each Party shall reduce and limit its strategic offensive arms in accordance with the provisions of this Treaty, and shall carry out the other obligations set forth in this Treaty and its Annexes, Protocols, and Memorandum of Understanding.

offensive arms? woah, woah, woah... we shouldn't be able to defend ourselves or attack if needed? not good...

Of course we should, the resolution states that complete nuclear proliferation would be foolish:-

Parties shall not dispose of all nuclear weapons due to the deterant factor to rogue states with nuclear capabilities. Nuclear weapons should not be fire in aggressive unprovoked attack.

ARTICLE II wrote:
(d) Deployed road-mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles shall be based only in restricted areas. A restricted area shall not exceed five square kilometers in size and shall not overlap another restricted area. No more than ten deployed road-mobile launchers of ICBMs and their associated missiles may be based or located in a restricted area. A restricted area shall not contain deployed ICBMs for road-mobile launchers of ICBMs of more than one type of ICBM.


you're basically saying no one is allowed to go to war without using swords and maces, right?

No, it mearly limits nuclear deployment, i.e. there cannot be nuclear launch sites dotted everywhere across a nation

ARTICLE III wrote:
Each Party undertakes not to interfere with the national technical means of verification of the other Party operating in regards to article I.

...

This basically means no other nation should interfere with another UN nation in reducing the number of nuclear warheads.


It also does not limit the amount of conventional arms a nation may have.



1. For ICBMs and SLBMs:

(a.) Each Party shall limit the aggregate number of non-deployed ICBMs for mobile launchers of ICBMs to no more than 250. Within this limit, the number of non-deployed ICBMs for rail-mobile launchers of ICBMs shall not exceed 125.

eh... i thought we were talking nuclear here... not consistent--though not unreasonable.


I am talking about ICBMs with nuclear capacity.

I hope this clears up some misunderstandings. I will edit the origonal to make this clear.
New Babel
29-11-2003, 23:12
ahhhh... that makes a big difference. i'd assumed you referred to standard ICBMs. check. all for it then.